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Edman
01-22-2008, 02:13 PM
http://forums.stillers.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6635

"Wahh, Wahh. Why does our team suck so bad? Why can't we be like this? I want the Rooneys to do this and that. I want 5 straight Super Bowls. The Rooneys are cheap typewads. Why don't we sign anybody?"

Elvis
01-22-2008, 02:23 PM
:banging:

fansince'76
01-22-2008, 02:30 PM
The OP in that thread seems pretty enamored with how the Pats* do things. We'll see how it goes after the SB. Anybody who thinks that one-year rent-a-players (Moss in particular) are going to be happy to continue to hang around NE for what is essentially minimum wage is smoking some really good stuff or drinking the RW&B Kool-Aid, which everyone knows is spiked.

PisnNapalm
01-22-2008, 04:07 PM
http://forums.stillers.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6635

"Wahh, Wahh. Why does our team suck so bad? Why can't we be like this? I want the Rooneys to do this and that. I want 5 straight Super Bowls. The Rooneys are cheap typewads. Why don't we sign anybody?"

What's a typewad? Tightwad? No they're not. They're not foolish with money.

BlastFurnace
01-22-2008, 04:20 PM
Did Mill write it? I can't get to it from work.

slippy
01-22-2008, 04:30 PM
i actually agree with most of this article. especially since our 2005, 06 and 07 drafts have been just awful.

fansince'76
01-22-2008, 04:33 PM
i actually agree with most of this article. especially since our 2005, 06 and 07 drafts have been just awful.

As opposed to the Pats*, who "never do anything wrong?" The only guy still on their roster from the '07 draft is Meriweather and all he's done is play STs. Sorry to burst your bubble, but we're not going to replicate the '74 draft every year. The poster of that "article" is just another impatient, spoiled dope who bitches because we don't win the damn SB every year - no more, no less.:coffee: You watch how fast the Pats lose players, key players, due to playing fast and loose in FA this past offseason - too bad for them they don't draft well enough themselves to make up for it.

Dino 6 Rings
01-22-2008, 04:40 PM
All the Steelers need is for the Broncos to play the Pats in the playoffs...for some reason, the Broncos make the Pats their biatches...so as long as Denver can get its act together, draw the Pats early, then we don't have to worry about them. :)

In reality, we have 5 rings total. As much as 2 other teams, tied for first. Have 6 AFC Championships and have had heartbreaking losses in the AFC Title games more than I care to count. One play here, one play there and we are even better than our 5 trophies indicate. Still its the toughest league on the planet to win in, and you can't be a dynasty every 8 years. Ask the Niners, the Cowboys, the Packers, how easy it is to return to greatness. Ask the Bills, ask the Rams, ask the Colts...

People complain about stuff they have no idea about and it makes me crazy. Historically speaking, the Steelers are one of the greatest teams in the NFL, with Great Ownership, tradition, and last time I checked, were one of the first kids on the block and have the greatest fans on the planet.

So any nah sayers can go root for the chiefs, or the dolphins, or the raiders or the vikings...you know, those other teams that have had rough times.

Steeler in Carolina
01-22-2008, 04:42 PM
IMO, no way Moss sticks around next year with the Pats. He will want one more big contract to end his career and the Pats won't give it to him. He was the big difference in their season this year. When teams shut him down, the games have been closer.

HometownGal
01-22-2008, 04:43 PM
The poster of that "article" is just another impatient, spoiled dope who bitches because we don't win the damn SB every year - no more, no less.:coffee:

AMEN!!! :cheers: All Steelers BB's are infected with these retards, unfortunately. The "what have you done for me lately Mr. Rooney" crowd. :upyours:

Dino 6 Rings
01-22-2008, 04:52 PM
I don't know, hired a young fired up coach, drafted a franchise QB, got us a ring with some older talent and guys that were on their last leg and thinking retirement, and now we have to rebuild around their loss. Got us a stud WR, a Stud TE, a Stud Linebacking Core, a Stud FS that has officially changed the way the game is being played by many teams in the league. Seriosly...what have they done? Got us a new stadium, and in the process, helped the Bucs get their own ball field as well. Allowed the College team to share facilities with the pro team. Made the head coaching job more accessable to minority coaches, without us seeing the same rehash of coaches going from one team to another. Take risks on hiring coaches that prove in the long term to be great hires. Noll, Cowher, Tomlin to be determined.

What have they done for me lately. Gee I don't know. Nothing I guess.

paw-n-maul-u
01-22-2008, 05:00 PM
EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS .... EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!


You thought the 2005 superbowl season was a springboard to another dynasty, but as Jeemster has tried to drill through your head, the 2005 Superbowl was the culmination of missed opportunities. The 2005 Superbowl team was an ending to a dynasty team that came close to, but never happened. What you are seeing in 2006 and 2007 and likely in 2008 and possibly 2009 is a team that is in transition. This team is old at the most important positions in football in the trenches. You cannot consistently win in this league in any era without great linemen on both sides of the ball. Brady's entire success this season has been predicated on an offensive line that could very well be the best in league history. The Steelers are about to begin the process of rebuilding their offensive and defensive lines. The previous time they did this was in the late 90s when, not coincidentally, they stunk. From 1998-2000 you had:

- Rookies Marvel Smith and Alan Faneca and a younger Wayne Gandy replacing veterans Justin Strelzyk and Wil Wolford and John Jackson
- A younger Jeff Hartings signed to replace a declining Dermonti Dawson at center
- Rookie Casey Hampton replacing a declining Joel Steed
- A young Aaron Smith replacing a 31 year old Kevin Henry

All of this happened in a matter of 3 seasons. The Patriots supposed "revamping" of their receiving core was done by acquiring two guys. To rebuild an offensive and defensive line takes multiple seasons to accomplish if it is to be done correctly. I believe this team will spend the next two offseasons and drafts rebuilding the offensive and defensive lines. Ben Roethlisberger has not even entered his prime years yet. By the time he does (I consider the prime years for a QB to be age 27) the lines will have been rebuilt, Santonio Holmes will have established himself as one of the better receivers in the league, Heath Miller will be comparable to Tony Gonzalez and the defense will still be great. Most importantly, the Pats and Colts will both have QBs that will be past their primes and on the downswing of their careers.

This guy straight nailed it. To a "T" ... Whoever he or she is, they have convinced me (you have to scroll down a bit to read this guys post after clicking the link) ... but boy, did he make me feel a littler better. I don't think the best years have come AT ALL for this team. at all.

We have one of the best young QB's in the league. Can u imagine how good he could be If we hit big on a few O-line picks?

We have a young, extremely articulate and learning head coach. And i feel by the time his bumps in the road are over.... and coming to an organization with a QB that probable has another EXCELLENT 7-8 years ... I see great things in our future.

Saying that ... I feel so much depends on our Draft's over the next 2 years. You can ALWAYS contend w/ a franchise QB... ALWAYS. look at the teams in the playoff this year

Manning-need i comment
Brady-read above
Favre-Legend
Manning (II)-probably going to get an extension this year also
Rivers- probably going to get an extension after this or the next year ALSO

Hassleback- (id consider him franchise now), but I see a young QB being drafted sometime in the near future for them)
V. Young- rookie of year, then got the TITANS to the playoffs. I don't care what anyone says the guy wins


... listen I don't need to go on anymore about franchise QB's ... the point is .....


we might ALWAYS contend. But if we don't get some solid blockers for Benny Boy, or some D line to take over for A. Smith and Big Snack. We might have more than a few dissapointint seasons ahead of us (and disappointing I mean like .... cowher losing the AFC championship disappointed.

Dino 6 Rings
01-22-2008, 05:05 PM
Great points. The 2005 team had guys that had "just missed" year after year after year and finally had the QB they needed to get them past the AFC title game and into the big game and finally got the Ring they should have been getting all along. Great points all around. Now rebuilding the Trenches is what will allow this young team, the new blood, Ben, Holmes, Miller, Troy (stay healthy) Timmons, Woodley, Parker (stay healthy) Tomlin (Rookie Head Coach, 10-6 and in the playoffs with no O-line, no running back and a smashed up defense) to make a run.

ricksteelers55
01-22-2008, 05:07 PM
Hey maybe you should think about that...Why all of the ''good'' free agents players are ''FREE'' ?

there must be something wrong if they are no longer with their teams right?

Why would we pick guys like that.

Draft your boys and let them play your style.

you can still use the free agent market to fill a couple of needs without throwing all of your money out of the window(like a more than decent player like Ryan Clark)

So I think we should be glad to have the Rooneys they know how to build a classy franchise that appreciate its championship when they win it

Edman
01-22-2008, 05:22 PM
The previous time they did this was in the late 90s when, not coincidentally, they stunk.

in 1998 and 1999, the Steelers were bad. REAL bad. In 2000 they turned the corner after an 0-3 start and missed the playoffs by one game. That 2000 team had a fair share of last second heartbreakers and missed opportunities. Lost in overtime to the Eagles in TRS, Lost on a last second touchdown against the Titans, and COMPLETELY blew a great opportunity to sweep the Jaguars on Sunday Night when Fred Taylor tore up the Steelers for 200+ yards.

verks36
01-22-2008, 05:25 PM
I didnt even want to read that guy just keep complaining

who does he think the steelers are

WE arent the patriots why cant anyone just accept that the season wasnt a failure consdiering we had a first time head coach

steelpride12
01-22-2008, 05:27 PM
As much as i would love for Mr. Roon dog to pick people up im in now way surprised and no one should be it has been like this since he has been around(forever). Why are we complaining look at our success without FA and our draft picks are always amazing so lets have them make their own decisions because i love what they do!

19ward86
01-22-2008, 07:24 PM
but seriously....i do want to win 5 straight soup bowls! lol :fro:

MDSteel15
01-22-2008, 09:23 PM
IMO, no way Moss sticks around next year with the Pats. He will want one more big contract to end his career and the Pats won't give it to him. He was the big difference in their season this year. When teams shut him down, the games have been closer.

I would almost bet that Moss IS there next year just for the fact that the Pats are going to be losing a lot of people to retirement, which in-turn will free p more $$$ for SuperTurd Randy.....

Rhee Rhee
01-23-2008, 02:17 AM
IMO, no way Moss sticks around next year with the Pats. He will want one more big contract to end his career and the Pats won't give it to him. He was the big difference in their season this year. When teams shut him down, the games have been closer.

y wouldn't he? he's never had success superbowl success anywhere else in the league...he's with brady who is arguably the best QB in the NFL right now... sure he'll want money but the reason the pats were so good was because of him.. that's why they'll want him back...

Galax Steeler
01-23-2008, 03:47 AM
No matter if moss is there next year I can see alot of players leaving next year look at the age of alot of them not to mention most will be wanting more money because of the superbowl.

DACEB
01-23-2008, 09:12 AM
AMEN!!! :cheers: All Steelers BB's are infected with these retards, unfortunately. The "what have you done for me lately Mr. Rooney" crowd. :upyours:

Don't you think that's just a little harsh, HTG?

I don't believe I'm part of that crowd, but I am more than willing to voice my expectations (pro or con).

I thought the article was well thought out and well written. I think the analogy of seasons past and where we are now was interesting. You cannot deny that more consistent play from our O-line would easily bring our offense into the top 10 in the league. The fact that we have no depth and are probably overpaying backups on our D-line is clear also.

Here's to a solid draft and offseason. That we can all agree on!!:cheers:

Counselor
01-23-2008, 09:34 AM
I find that that article neglects the the fact that we are one of only three teams to have won 5 Super Bowls. No team has won more. The article makes it sound like there are "dynasties" being built left and right in this league. Basically---there is a dynasty for every decade . . . 60's packers, 70's Steelers, 80's 49ers, 90's Cowboys and 00's Patriots. In each of those decades there are other good teams who compete, and sometimes knock off the big dog. I like the fact the the Steelers are always in a position to knock off that "big dog"--- whoever he might be in any given year or decade.

FA acquisitions are not the answer to building a dynasty---sure the Pats used it this year to fill some holes----but that not how they built their great team. To a certain extent building a dynasty takes leadership and smart decisions---but it also take a little bit of the "perfect storm". like getting Tom Brady in the 6th round, or the Steelers '74 draft class.

Thank you to the Rooneys for making us contenders every year, and allowing the possiblity that a little extra luck might get us to the big game any given year.

That said, I would like to see the team move toward more consistency in "winning"---ie beat the teams you should be and split the rest---don't play down to the competition etc. I think Tomlin is the kind of coach (like Noll & Dungy) to get a team to perform like that---but it may take a few years to build that mind set. I have no problem having a little patience.

DACEB
01-23-2008, 11:01 AM
FA acquisitions are not the answer to building a dynasty---sure the Pats used it this year to fill some holes----but that not how they built their great team. To a certain extent building a dynasty takes leadership and smart decisions---but it also take a little bit of the "perfect storm". like getting Tom Brady in the 6th round, or the Steelers '74 draft class.

Thank you to the Rooneys for making us contenders every year, and allowing the possiblity that a little extra luck might get us to the big game any given year.

Well said Counselor!!

You would have to think that the Pats are mortgaging the future to try and win now while Brady and Belichick are still around.

Here's to our future:tt02:

Dino 6 Rings
01-23-2008, 11:23 AM
When the Pats do fall...and they will, everyone eventually does...it will be hard and long...ask the 9ers what happens when you mortgage your future.

Years of payback coming to them, years of it.

Edman
01-23-2008, 12:04 PM
Some things to point out on why this article is asinine, yet entertaining. Building a dynasty takes some skill, but it also takes some draft luck, and some stupidity from other teams you're dealing with.

-Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. If that isn't luck I don't know what is.
-The Pats literally robbed the Raiders of Randy Moss for peanuts. A measly 4th round pick.
-The 49er's stupidity for dealing away the 1st rounders. That's why they've been a falling franchise since Mooch left.
-Who would've thought that your division rival would trade away one of their best players to you?

What do the Raiders, Dolphins, and Niners have in common? They are once-proud franchises mired in mediocrity and incredible mismanagement dating back a few years. People contribute this to the "genius" of the Patriots FO. I call it luck. I won't lie. The Steelers 1974 draft was once in a lifetime in terms of talent, and quite a bit of luck, too.

The Steelers have consistently fielded a competitive, winning product for quite a long time without dealing in free agency AT ALL. Long, LONG before the Patsies became relevant. The only difference between the two are the Patsies got over the hump quite a few times. The Steelers only got over the hump once. Those 90's teams were damn good and could've fielded a dynasty. 3 AFC Title games in 4 years, but those losses hurt really bad. But that's mostly due to the players and the coaches not executing, not the Rooneys. They put the product on the field, it's up to the product to do their job. That's why Jeemster's "The Rooneys would prefer to be consistently good than great." statement is utterly ridiculous.

The_WARDen
01-23-2008, 12:33 PM
As opposed to the Pats*, who "never do anything wrong?" The only guy still on their roster from the '07 draft is Meriweather and all he's done is play STs. Sorry to burst your bubble, but we're not going to replicate the '74 draft every year. The poster of that "article" is just another impatient, spoiled dope who bitches because we don't win the damn SB every year - no more, no less.:coffee: You watch how fast the Pats lose players, key players, due to playing fast and loose in FA this past offseason - too bad for them they don't draft well enough themselves to make up for it.

yet somehow, they are about to win their 4th SB in 7 years...apparently, they do something right up there.
:coffee:

fansince'76
01-23-2008, 12:36 PM
yet somehow, they are about to win their 4th SB in 7 years...apparently, they do something right up there.
:coffee:

Feel free to go jump on the bandwagon - it's not quite full yet. You know you want to, so please do it already. :coffee:

Edman
01-23-2008, 12:49 PM
yet somehow, they are about to win their 4th SB in 7 years...apparently, they do something right up there.
:coffee:

Yeah. They do something right. It's easy to say something is right when they win. Everything you do is right when you win. The Patriots all won their previous Super Bowls by a combined 9 points. All three won by field goals. Suppose Tuck rule wasn't called in 2001. Suppose they don't draft Tom Brady in Round 6.

Suppose Jackie Smith catches that Staubach bullet in Super Bowl 13. Suppose Franco was back a few inches on the Immaculate Reception. Would the Steelers be the team of the 70's?

The Steelers have been doing things right for years. The problem is that they've been falling short and haven't had as many breaks as the Pats. To be a dynasty in the NFL, you need skill, talent, planning, and quite a bit of luck. And when the Patriots dynasty eventually crumbles and breaks into tiny pieces, will they suddenly be doing everything wrong?

The_WARDen
01-24-2008, 08:20 AM
Feel free to go jump on the bandwagon - it's not quite full yet. You know you want to, so please do it already. :coffee:

Sorry to disappoint you Mr. Know-It-All, but I hate the Patsies. However, I do respect the hell out of them and wish that my team were so mismanaged as to win 4 SBs in 7 years but hey, we're competitive right?
:dang:

The_WARDen
01-24-2008, 08:26 AM
Yeah. They do something right. It's easy to say something is right when they win. Everything you do is right when you win. The Patriots all won their previous Super Bowls by a combined 9 points. All three won by field goals. Suppose Tuck rule wasn't called in 2001. Suppose they don't draft Tom Brady in Round 6.

Suppose Jackie Smith catches that Staubach bullet in Super Bowl 13. Suppose Franco was back a few inches on the Immaculate Reception. Would the Steelers be the team of the 70's?

The Steelers have been doing things right for years. The problem is that they've been falling short and haven't had as many breaks as the Pats. To be a dynasty in the NFL, you need skill, talent, planning, and quite a bit of luck. And when the Patriots dynasty eventually crumbles and breaks into tiny pieces, will they suddenly be doing everything wrong?

No matter what spin you put on it, the Patsies win consistently. Will they fall apart? Maybe but neither you nor I know that.

I do know that they traded a 4th round pick for Randy Moss somehow and what was the Steelers big answer to help Ben?? Drafted another TE they don't use.

fansince'76
01-24-2008, 08:43 AM
Sorry to disappoint you Mr. Know-It-All, but I hate the Patsies. However, I do respect the hell out of them and wish that my team were so mismanaged as to win 4 SBs in 7 years but hey, we're competitive right?
:dang:

Yep, you're the one second-guessing everything the FO and the coaching staff does, but I'm the know-it-all. Whatever. :coffee: You respect cheaters? Sorry, but I don't. :coffee: They won a 4th one? When? But you're right, it really sucks to be a Steelers fan - I don't know what I've been thinking the last 30+ years. :rolleyes:

Edman
01-24-2008, 09:06 AM
No matter what spin you put on it, the Patsies win consistently. Will they fall apart? Maybe but neither you nor I know that.

I do know that they traded a 4th round pick for Randy Moss somehow and what was the Steelers big answer to help Ben?? Drafted another TE they don't use.

So do we. Once again, the difference here is that the Pats have gotten all the way a few times, the Steelers have just once.

Randy Moss is a rental for the Patriots and nothing more. He won't be there next year. We're talking about a LONG-TERM answer at WR. Randy isn't it. And what makes you assume that if we brought Randy here to Pittsburgh, he'd give us the same production? Hell, what would make you assume he'd be happy here?

You are free to jump off the bandwagon any time. Your Patriot envy is sickening.

fansince'76
01-24-2008, 09:08 AM
I do know that they traded a 4th round pick for Randy Moss somehow and what was the Steelers big answer to help Ben?? Drafted another TE they don't use.

Yep, never mind that Moss' one-year rent-a-player contract is due for expiration very soon. You really think he's gonna continue to play for relative peanuts? Good luck with that. And if you're going to criticize the way the Steelers draft, at least point out that the only '07 draftee still on the Pats' roster is Meriweather. But they have it all figured out, and our FO is clueless. :coffee:

DACEB
01-24-2008, 09:22 AM
fansince'76, you drink way to much coffee!! lol