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Rhee Rhee
01-27-2008, 07:33 PM
These are basically what COULD happen in the steeler offseason..I have made 4 different ones... 2 of 'em have FA signings and the other two don't... i'd like to see which one you guys like the most... (number 3 is my personal favorite.. #1 is second favorite)

#1

FA- Drayton Florence

1. Jeff Otah OT Pittsburgh
2. Shawn Crable OLB Michigan
3. Kerry Brown OG Appalachian St.
4. Kendall Langford DE Hampton
5. Darnell Terrell CB Missouri
7. Amarri Jackson WR South Florida

#2

FA- TJ Duckett (many of u mite not want him but the steelers do after pursuing him for 2 straight off-seasons), Isaac Sopoaga (ex UHer incredible strength), Jim Leonhard

1. Chris Williams OT Vandy OR Godser Cherilus, Boston College
2. Roy Scheuning OG Oregon State
3. Charles Godfrey CB Iowa
4. Kendall Langford DE Hampton
5. De'Cody Fagg WR Florida State (6'3 220 guy for BR)
7. Tommy Blake DE/OLB TCU (If not for stress issues this year he'd be 1st rounder)

#3

FA- None probably there will be but none of significant importance....

1. Aqib Talib CB Kansas
2. Carl Nicks OT Nebraska
3. Marcus Smith WR New Mexico State
4. Bruce Davis OLB UCLA
5. Chilo Rachal OG USC
7. Dennis Dixon QB Oregon ( i'm projecting teams stay away from him due to his recent ACL meltdown... this was made before zabransky news.. but i still dont think zabransky is a good fit for us...)

#4

FA- None...

1. Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon
2. Anthony Collins OT Kansas
3. Red Bryant DT Texas A&M (could start groomin for casey hampton...)
4. Zack Bowman CB Nebraska
5. Fernando Velasco C Georgia
7. SirVincent Rogers OG Houston

DACEB
01-28-2008, 09:30 AM
Great job Rhee Rhee.

I'm looking at the draft from a different angle. I'm looking for 'core players' to help out on STs and to provide depth for aging positions (DL & DBs).

1. Reggie Smith CB/S Okl
2. Anthony Collins OT Kan or Carl Nicks OT Neb
3. Jamar Adams S Mich or Thomas Decoud S Cal
4. Kendall Langford DE Hamp or Demario Pressley DT/DE N.C.St.
5. Jacob Hester FB/RB LSU or Chilo Rachal OG USC
7. Keilen Dykes DT/DE W.Va. or Marcus Dixon DE Hamp

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-28-2008, 02:53 PM
Great job Rhee Rhee.

I'm looking at the draft from a different angle. I'm looking for 'core players' to help out on STs and to provide depth for aging positions (DL & DBs).

1. Reggie Smith CB/S Okl
2. Anthony Collins OT Kan or Carl Nicks OT Neb
3. Jamar Adams S Mich or Thomas Decoud S Cal
4. Kendall Langford DE Hamp or Demario Pressley DT/DE N.C.St.
5. Jacob Hester FB/RB LSU or Chilo Rachal OG USC
7. Keilen Dykes DT/DE W.Va. or Marcus Dixon DE Hamp

Love the Hester and Langford picks!!!

DACEB
01-28-2008, 04:05 PM
Love the Hester and Langford picks!!!

If you like Langford, LLT, you really need to look up Dykes. This guy HAS to be a Steeler. I'm not sure he'll last until the 7th, but he is a late rounder. There's a great interview with him that I found on the first page when I googled him. W. Va. apparently runs schemes similar to the Steelers and it sure sounds like this kid would have no problem playing the unheralded position of 3-4DE.

Hester is that 'core player' type of guy that we need. A tough guy like him could really help on STs. Being a FB, he could possibly fill the role behind Davis, and he is great in short yardage.

Special teams is why I like Decoud CB also, we need an infusion of youth and special teams talent on STs. It does'nt hurt that he looked good at the senior bowl either.

P.S. I would rather have Red Bryant DT over Langford, but I'm not sure when he will come off the board. Bryant would be a solid backup for Casey and would allow us to toy with the 4-3.

lilyoder6
01-28-2008, 04:39 PM
i do like the hester pick.. he will play any pos.. either it would be 3rd down back, fb or on ST... he is a good player

MasterOfPuppets
01-28-2008, 05:14 PM
If you like Langford, LLT, you really need to look up Dykes. This guy HAS to be a Steeler. I'm not sure he'll last until the 7th, but he is a late rounder. There's a great interview with him that I found on the first page when I googled him. W. Va. apparently runs schemes similar to the Steelers and it sure sounds like this kid would have no problem playing the unheralded position of 3-4DE.

. :huh:.....i don't know which WVU game you watched that dyke impressed you so much, but it sure must've been the one i never watched. there's not one player on WVU's defence roster that'd i'd even look twice at as an UFA.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-28-2008, 06:11 PM
Kendall Langford will not last until the 4th round....He'll go in rounds 2 or 3.....

I personally like Chris Williams the best out of the OTs that will be available when the Steelers pick in the first round....If Oher would have stayed in the draft then he would have been my personal pick...But I'll take Williams....Cherilus or Otah would be fine also....

As for Marcus Smith....He has Steeler written all over to me....I think the 3rd round is to early for him....I think he will be there in the 4th round.....

Rhee Rhee
01-29-2008, 01:55 AM
Kendall Langford will not last until the 4th round....He'll go in rounds 2 or 3.....

I personally like Chris Williams the best out of the OTs that will be available when the Steelers pick in the first round....If Oher would have stayed in the draft then he would have been my personal pick...But I'll take Williams....Cherilus or Otah would be fine also....

As for Marcus Smith....He has Steeler written all over to me....I think the 3rd round is to early for him....I think he will be there in the 4th round.....

i completely agree about marcus smith being a steeler... BUT at the senior bowl practices he was marred with dropped balls... not as much compared to bowman BUT he had quite a bit.. (interestingly enough he did 10 pushups for every drop...his arms had to have gotten a workout) i personally am not as high on williams but hey i'd love to see otah in black and gold!

Galax Steeler
01-29-2008, 03:45 AM
How tall is marcus smith could he be the tall reciever for ben?

Aussie_steeler
01-29-2008, 04:22 AM
Great effort. All very worthy options.

I am leaning towards number 2 as my favourite without the free agents. (maybe a free agent LB for depth) I like rounds 1, 3 & 4. Good picks.

Hopefully I will have one up soon for you to look at. Unfortunately I might be a bit light on U of H guys (sorry)

DACEB
01-29-2008, 06:28 AM
:huh:.....i don't know which WVU game you watched that dyke impressed you so much, but it sure must've been the one i never watched. there's not one player on WVU's defence roster that'd i'd even look twice at as an UFA.

I watched probably two WVU games over the course of the year. I did'nt focus on any one player.

I do know they ranked in the top 10 in both total and scoring defense, and the top 20 in rush D, pass D and sacks.

It obviously sounds like you've payed closer attention than I have. Do you have reason to believe Dykes can't play DE for us in the 3-4. He's definetely got the size and it sounds like he knows the techniques.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-29-2008, 04:29 PM
i completely agree about marcus smith being a steeler... BUT at the senior bowl practices he was marred with dropped balls... not as much compared to bowman BUT he had quite a bit.. (interestingly enough he did 10 pushups for every drop...his arms had to have gotten a workout) i personally am not as high on williams but hey i'd love to see otah in black and gold!

Williams can play right away and only gave up 2 sacks in his college career.....Otah is more raw and might take a few years to be NFL ready....Steelers need help for 08....Thats why I would take Chris Williams....He is a legit pass protecting LT.....He needs to work on his run blocking and some question if he has a mean streak...But at the Senior Bowl in got into some fights in practice showing that he could have that mean streak....

Otah has more upside no doubt and I won't complain if he is drafted....But I don't expect him to contribute right away.....

zoneblitz43
01-30-2008, 08:44 AM
1. Michael Oher OT Ole Miss
2. Roy Schuening OG Oregon State
3. Mike Pollack C Arizona State
4. Kendall Langford DE Hampton
5. Jacob Hester FB LSU
7. DeCody Fagg WR Florida State

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-30-2008, 11:01 AM
1. Michael Oher OT Ole Miss
2. Roy Schuening OG Oregon State
3. Mike Pollack C Arizona State
4. Kendall Langford DE Hampton
5. Jacob Hester FB LSU
7. DeCody Fagg WR Florida State

Oher is returning to Ole Miss for his Senior season....make that pick OT-Williams & I love your draft....I wasnt sure if Pollack was capable of stopping the AFC North NT's, but after the Senior bowl he showed that he is much stronger than people thought and a leigitimate run-blocker....helped Arizona average 137.0 yards on the ground and 255 yards in the air. Pollack as gone from third to first on my center wish list.

Good draft!:thumbsup:

Elvis
01-30-2008, 01:04 PM
This is my last Steelers mock draft. It was made a week or so ago and I think this is " how I think I would like things to go"

1 OT Gosder Cherilus 6' 7" 315 lbs Boston College
2 OG Roy Schuening 6' 4" 318 lbs Oregon State
3 DE/DT DeMario Pressley 6' 3" 298 lbs N.C. State
4 C John Sullivan 6' 3" 305 lbs Notre Dame
5 MLB Phillip Wheeler 6' 2" 235 lbs G.A. Tech
7 RB Cory Boyd 6' 218 lbs South Carolina

The Steelers must get some Line Help on both offense and defense, so this may change soon

lilyoder6
01-30-2008, 01:13 PM
i know i mean sedrick ellis at the senior bowl week of pratice and game was destroying centers.. but he did very well against him and the others..

Aussie_steeler
01-30-2008, 08:44 PM
1. Michael Oher OT Ole Miss
2. Roy Schuening OG Oregon State
3. Mike Pollack C Arizona State
4. Kendall Langford DE Hampton
5. Jacob Hester FB LSU
7. DeCody Fagg WR Florida State

Pollack really is on the move up the boards. If we want him it will be in the second and I think he will already be gone when it is our turn.

The rarity of 3-4 DE's will see Langford climb into the 3rd. A lot of fans from other teams are also talking about this player. His stock will soar with a good combine workout.

Rhee Rhee
01-31-2008, 04:30 AM
This is my last Steelers mock draft. It was made a week or so ago and I think this is " how I think I would like things to go"

1 OT Gosder Cherilus 6' 7" 315 lbs Boston College
2 OG Roy Schuening 6' 4" 318 lbs Oregon State
3 DE/DT DeMario Pressley 6' 3" 298 lbs N.C. State
4 C John Sullivan 6' 3" 305 lbs Notre Dame
5 MLB Phillip Wheeler 6' 2" 235 lbs G.A. Tech
7 RB Cory Boyd 6' 218 lbs South Carolina

The Steelers must get some Line Help on both offense and defense, so this may change soon

of phillip wheeler falls that far i'll cry... he actually went to the senior bowl around 245 ish and he looked better than ever... i say he's gone by the second...other than that pretty good draft... seems like ur sold on cherilus over williams...

Elvis
01-31-2008, 05:43 AM
2008 NFL Draft DL Rankings

By: Robert Davis | Updated 1/18

QB (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/qb.html) | RB (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/rb.html) | WR (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/wr.html) | OL (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/ol.html) | DL (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/dl.html) | LB (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/lb.html) | DB (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/db.html)
Defensive End

Chris Long, Virginia (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/chris_long.html)
Vernon Gholston, Ohio St. (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/vernon_gholston.html)
Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/calais_campbell.html)
Derrick Harvey, Florida (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/derrick_harvey.html)
Quentin Groves, Auburn (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/quentin_groves.html)
Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/lawrence_jackson.html)
Phillip Merling, Clemson
Chris Ellis, Virginia Tech (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/chris_ellis.html)
Tommy Blake, TCU (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/tommy_blake.html)
Bruce Davis, UCLA (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/bruce_davis.html)Defensive Tackle


Glenn Dorsey, LSU (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/glenn_dorsey.html)
Sedrick Ellis, USC (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/sedrick_ellis.html)
Frank Okam, Texas (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/frank_okam.html)
Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/kentwan_balmer.html)
Marcus Harrison, Arkansas
Red Bryant, Texas AM
Dre Moore, Maryland
Pat Sims, Auburn
Demario Pressley, NC St.
Andre Fluellen, Florida St. (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/andre_fluellen.html)Other DL prospects

Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/trevor_laws.html)
Matt Malele, DT, California (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/matt_malele.html)
Brigham Harwell, UCLA (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/brigham_harwell.html)
Richard Clebert, DT, South Florida (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/richard_clebert.html)
Chris Barrett, DL, USC (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/chris_barrett.html)
Wallace Gilberry, DE, Alabama (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/wallace_gilberry.html)
Louis Holmes, Arizona (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/louis_holmes.html)
Kendall Langford, DL, Hampton (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/kendall_langford.html)
This is a list of DE's listed at NFLScout.comI think in order for the Steelers to get back to their dominant ways we must address some depth and future starters here this draft

Elvis
01-31-2008, 05:46 AM
of phillip wheeler falls that far i'll cry... he actually went to the senior bowl around 245 ish and he looked better than ever... i say he's gone by the second...other than that pretty good draft... seems like ur sold on cherilus over williams...
Wheeler may not last that long, but the Steelers would be smart to get a MLB somewhere early I think this draft. Yeah, I love Cherilus, this guy looked great at the senior bowl in game and practice against some of the best DE's and NT's. Of course Williams is also a nice selection here, but I really dont expect him to be here this late.

Aussie_steeler
01-31-2008, 05:49 AM
2008 NFL Draft DL Rankings

I think in order for the Steelers to get back to their dominant ways we must address some depth and future starters here this draft

I agree totally. One DE and a DT would be nice come draft day. Thanks for the link:cheers:

DACEB
01-31-2008, 10:32 AM
I agree totally. One DE and a DT would be nice come draft day.

Red Bryant DT and Keilen Dykes DT, Dykes would play 3-4 DE.

We really need to trade down at some point. There's a ton of talent that could help us, right away, in the 2nd and 3rd maybe even 4th rounds.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-31-2008, 10:49 AM
Red Bryant DT and Keilen Dykes DT, Dykes would play 3-4 DE.

We really need to trade down at some point. There's a ton of talent that could help us, right away, in the 2nd and 3rd maybe even 4th rounds.

Keilen Dykes, West Virginia or Chris Norwell, Illinois would both fit our system.....Dykes is faster...but I think that Norwell is stronger.

lilyoder6
01-31-2008, 11:13 AM
at de i would go with the faster guy,, just b/c u can always get stronger.. u can't get faster..

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-31-2008, 12:25 PM
at de i would go with the faster guy,, just b/c u can always get stronger.. u can't get faster..

I agree...I dont want another Orien Harris experiment...but Chris Norwell is a little more "cerebral" than Harris.

Elvis
01-31-2008, 02:38 PM
NEW Senior Bowl Week: Mon (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/seniorbowl1.html) | Tue (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/seniorbowl2.html) | Wed (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/seniorbowl3.html) | Thu (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/seniorbowl4.html) | Recap (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/seniorbowl5.html)
2008 NFL Draft OL Rankings

These rankings are from Footballsfuture.com
By: Robert Davis | Updated 1/18

QB (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/qb.html) | RB (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/rb.html) | WR (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/wr.html) | OL (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/ol.html) | DL (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/dl.html) | LB (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/lb.html) | DB (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/db.html)
Tackle
Jake Long, Michigan (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/jake_long.html)
Ryan Clady, Boise St. (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/ryan_clady.html)
Sam Baker, USC (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/sam_baker.html)
Jeff Otah, Pitt (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/jeff_otah.html)
Gosder Cherilus, Boston College (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/gosder_cherilus.html)
Chris Williams, Vanderbilt (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/chris_williams.html)
Tony Hills, Texas (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/tony_hills.html)
Anthony Collins, Kansas
Barry Richardson, Clemson (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/barry_richardson.html)
Kirk Barton, Ohio St. (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/kirk_barton.html)Guard

Eric Young, Tennessee (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/eric_young.html)
Oniel Cousins, UTEP (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/oniel_cousins.html)
Roy Schuening, Oregon St. (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/roy_schuening.html)
Branden Albert, Virginia
Jordan Grimes, Purdue
Shannon Tevaga, UCLA (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/shannon_tevaga.html)
Kerry Brown, Appalachian St.
Chilo Rachal, USC
Will Arnold, LSU (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/will_arnold.html)
Andrew Crummey, MarylandCenter

John Sullivan, Notre Dame (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/john_sullivan.html)
Steve Justice, Wake Forest
Cody Wallace, Texas AM
Kory Lichtensteiger, Bowling Green (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/kory_lichtensteiger.html)
Mike Pollak, Arizona St.
Duane Brown, OT, Virginia Tech (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/duane_brown.html)
Matt Spanos, OL, USC (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/matt_spanos.html)

Rhee Rhee
02-01-2008, 12:50 AM
instead of landing kendall langford in the 4th like most people are projecting we can get his fellow DE marcus dixon in the 6th or 7th... we could use our fourth to grab depth at DB or LB or WR or RB...

DACEB
02-01-2008, 05:56 AM
Does anyone see 6 OTs going in the 1st?

Will all 3 QBs projected go in the 1st? Top 20?

Aussie_steeler
02-01-2008, 04:29 PM
4 OT's definitely get picked. Baker and Cherilius may slip out of the first. I dont see 20% of first round picks being OT's somehow. There are too many good CB's, WR's & Rb's available.

Of the QB's I think Woodson will plummet way down the draft boards.

MasterOfPuppets
02-01-2008, 04:50 PM
4 OT's definitely get picked. Baker and Cherilius may slip out of the first. I dont see 20% of first round picks being OT's somehow. There are too many good CB's, WR's & Rb's available.

Of the QB's I think Woodson will plummet way down the draft boards. all the more reason to get your tackle early, if your in desperate need for one to contribute right away...i mean if there's 6 OT's that you feel could start from day one, and there's 12 recievers you feel could start from day one...doesn't logic dictate you have a better chance of getting one of those recievers in rd 2, than getting one of the 6 OT's in 2 ? did you know left tackles are second only to QB's in average salary ?

Aussie_steeler
02-02-2008, 02:16 AM
all the more reason to get your tackle early, if your in desperate need for one to contribute right away...i mean if there's 6 OT's that you feel could start from day one, and there's 12 recievers you feel could start from day one...doesn't logic dictate you have a better chance of getting one of those recievers in rd 2, than getting one of the 6 OT's in 2 ? did you know left tackles are second only to QB's in average salary ?

I didnt know that Left tackles were at that level of pricing. That is an interesting fact.:cheers:

I agree with your logic totally. I just hope that one or two teams get hung up on some of the RB's, CB's or WR's in round 1 and that lets Otah or Williams fall to us.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-02-2008, 04:42 AM
all the more reason to get your tackle early, if your in desperate need for one to contribute right away...i mean if there's 6 OT's that you feel could start from day one, and there's 12 recievers you feel could start from day one...doesn't logic dictate you have a better chance of getting one of those recievers in rd 2, than getting one of the 6 OT's in 2 ? did you know left tackles are second only to QB's in average salary ?

Right on the money....I have often heard that LT is the second most important position on a team. Looking at my Stat books, 61% of all starting OT's are picked in the first 2 rounds...

1st round 38%
2nd round 23%
3rd round 11%
4th round 6%
5th round 6%
6th round 3%
7th round 8%
FA 5%

Now take into consideration that alot of teams play high/low with their Tackles. Meaning that most of the high picks are on LT's and alot of those lower picks are on RT's and you can see how much legitimate LT's are coveted.
In 2006 22 teams had at least one starting OT who was a first round pick but only two team had a pair of first rounders.

Rhee Rhee
02-02-2008, 01:05 PM
Right on the money....I have often heard that LT is the second most important position on a team. Looking at my Stat books, 61% of all starting OT's are picked in the first 2 rounds...

1st round 38%
2nd round 23%
3rd round 11%
4th round 6%
5th round 6%
6th round 3%
7th round 8%
FA 5%

Now take into consideration that alot of teams play high/low with their Tackles. Meaning that most of the high picks are on LT's and alot of those lower picks are on RT's and you can see how much legitimate LT's are coveted.
In 2006 22 teams had at least one starting OT who was a first round pick but only two team had a pair of first rounders.

what a stat... i guess this basically tells us what we havta do... get travelle wharton or go after a LT/RT in the first

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-02-2008, 02:32 PM
what a stat... i guess this basically tells us what we havta do... get travelle wharton or go after a LT/RT in the first

Or both!!!

MasterOfPuppets
02-02-2008, 03:26 PM
Right on the money....I have often heard that LT is the second most important position on a team. Looking at my Stat books, 61% of all starting OT's are picked in the first 2 rounds...

1st round 38%
2nd round 23%
3rd round 11%
4th round 6%
5th round 6%
6th round 3%
7th round 8%
FA 5%

Now take into consideration that alot of teams play high/low with their Tackles. Meaning that most of the high picks are on LT's and alot of those lower picks are on RT's and you can see how much legitimate LT's are coveted.
In 2006 22 teams had at least one starting OT who was a first round pick but only two team had a pair of first rounders.WOW !!! great stats LLT.....:thumbsup: i believe thats evidence enough, to justify lobbying for a 1st rd tackle. got any stats on guards and centers ???

lilyoder6
02-02-2008, 03:31 PM
well lt have to protect the blind spot of the qb thats y there are the 2nd most important..

Aussie_steeler
02-03-2008, 12:30 AM
Love the stats LLT. Awesome. :thumbsup:

Only a rough count but only three starting centers in 2007 were first round picks. ( i may have missed one or two??)

Jeff Faine - Saints Chris Spencer - Seahawks Nick Mangold - Jets

Who should be the consensus pick at Left Tackle in round 1 at # 23? Otah or Williams.

Question - Is there any evidence to suggest that natural left handers are better suited to the left tackle position than natural right handers? Is it a stat that scouts collect to be used in the decision making process? This suggestion was hinted at when Starks moved to left tackle from the right and appeared to play better (as he is left handed)?

Rhee Rhee
02-03-2008, 03:31 PM
Who should be the consensus pick at Left Tackle in round 1 at # 23? Otah or Williams.


i definitely think otah is the consensus... with his size 6'6 340 and quickness BUT if williams is kind of the odd man out.. then i'd be happy to grab him...

as for right and left handers i have nooo idea... in my opinion it's what's your dominant leg and which one you like stepping away with or w/e.. well i have noo idea and that's a complete guess so idk...

19ward86
02-03-2008, 03:36 PM
i love the OT in first round, then OLB in the second, i want either the guy from vandi and then the OLB crable, i think he will be great, like woodley.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-04-2008, 08:50 AM
WOW !!! great stats LLT.....:thumbsup: i believe thats evidence enough, to justify lobbying for a 1st rd tackle. got any stats on guards and centers ???

Guards
1st round 19%
2nd round 16%
3rd round 13%
4th round 16%
5th round 9%
6th round 5%
7th round 5%
FA 19%
*59% playing with teams that drafted them.

Centers
1st round 13%
2nd round 19%
3rd round 19%
4th round 3%
5th round 9%
6th round 9%
7th round 13%
FA 16%
*66% playing with teams that drafted them

Rhee Rhee
02-04-2008, 12:29 PM
i love the OT in first round, then OLB in the second, i want either the guy from vandi and then the OLB crable, i think he will be great, like woodley.

great minds think alike...

i am dying for OT in the first and crable in the second... or quientin groves if he is somehow there...

im kinda wanting a 3-4 OLB yet also a 4-3 END/OLB

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-04-2008, 12:39 PM
Guards
1st round 19%
2nd round 16%
3rd round 13%
4th round 16%
5th round 9%
6th round 5%
7th round 5%
FA 19%
*59% playing with teams that drafted them.

Centers
1st round 13%
2nd round 19%
3rd round 19%
4th round 3%
5th round 9%
6th round 9%
7th round 13%
FA 16%
*66% playing with teams that drafted them

I think this answers your question.....Go OT in the first...Guard in the second...and since 50% of starting centers are drafted in the 4 round or later, you can wait until the second day to grab one. That leaves a third round and possible 4th round pick to grab other need positions.

MasterOfPuppets
02-04-2008, 01:01 PM
I think this answers your question.....Go OT in the first...Guard in the second...and since 50% of starting centers are drafted in the 4 round or later, you can wait until the second day to grab one. That leaves a third round and possible 4th round pick to grab other need positions.you know what really bothers me ? we may have 2 guys on our roster ,who just may be descent guards, but are being played out of position. colon and mahan, should have been givin long looks at other positions, during training camp, and practice last year, to find out if they are viable options . it may have been a fluke,but starks certainly did look better at LT, than RT. , if i'm not mistaken he was a LT in college. and he said he felt more comfortable at LT. they should have tried switching smith and starks in preseason.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-04-2008, 01:24 PM
you know what really bothers me ? we may have 2 guys on our roster ,who just may be descent guards, but are being played out of position. colon and mahan, should have been givin long looks at other positions, during training camp, and practice last year, to find out if they are viable options . it may have been a fluke,but starks certainly did look better at LT, than RT. , if i'm not mistaken he was a LT in college. and he said he felt more comfortable at LT. they should have tried switching smith and starks in preseason.

I also think that our replacement for LG may be Colon....Starks should be resigned...and Mahan should be moved back to Guard (Even if just as a wave player)....Draft an OT in the first and if we are going to spend ANY money on FA..make it on the front line.

MasterOfPuppets
02-04-2008, 01:54 PM
I also think that our replacement for LG may be Colon....Starks should be resigned...and Mahan should be moved back to Guard (Even if just as a wave player)....Draft an OT in the first and if we are going to spend ANY money on FA..make it on the front line.but if colon and mahan are legit guards, that changes drafting needs considerably.because then we need 2 tackles. and a center.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-04-2008, 02:02 PM
but if colon and mahan are legit guards, that changes drafting needs considerably.because then we need 2 tackles. and a center.

I dont think Mahan is strong enough for our running game and may only be a stop gap or wave player...we HAVE to upgrade soon....thats what is scary, without FA or resigning Starks we may actually need 2 OT's, 1 Guard, and 1 Center.
Simmons & Mahan are still too inconsistant for me to gage.

MasterOfPuppets
02-04-2008, 02:35 PM
I dont think Mahan is strong enough for our running game and may only be a stop gap or wave player...we HAVE to upgrade soon....thats what is scary, without FA or resigning Starks we may actually need 2 OT's, 1 Guard, and 1 Center.
Simmons & Mahan are still too inconsistant for me to gage.my god we are in serious trouble with this line if you think about.....

LT
smith- going into last year
starks- probably gone / FA
essex- couldn't start over starks/ FA

LG
faneca- gone / FA
kemoeatu- has showed nothing / FA

C
mahan- worthless
stapleton- couldn't take the job from worthless

RG
simmons- were stuck with him
kemoeatu

RT
colon- maybe a guard

i'm just in total amazement that the F.O. has let the line go to garbage. i sure hope woodly ,timmons,spaeth, and sepulvada, were worth not trying to fix the line....:banging:....i lobbied for nick mangold, and justin blaylock or ben grubbs pretty hard.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
02-04-2008, 03:07 PM
but if colon and mahan are legit guards, that changes drafting needs considerably.because then we need 2 tackles. and a center.

That and we have Kendall Simons that we just gave a new contract to. Does anyone think we could trade him or Mahan?

Rhee Rhee
02-04-2008, 08:15 PM
i lobbied for nick mangold, and justin blaylock or ben grubbs pretty hard.

just imagine if we had at least one of those guys... are o-line wouldn't be in shambles... it'd actually look OK and not yuck...

Aussie_steeler
02-05-2008, 02:25 AM
my god we are in serious trouble with this line if you think about.....

LT
smith- going into last year
starks- probably gone / FA
essex- couldn't start over starks/ FA

LG
faneca- gone / FA
kemoeatu- has showed nothing / FA

C
mahan- worthless
stapleton- couldn't take the job from worthless

RG
simmons- were stuck with him
kemoeatu

RT
colon- maybe a guard

i'm just in total amazement that the F.O. has let the line go to garbage. i sure hope woodly ,timmons,spaeth, and sepulvada, were worth not trying to fix the line....:banging:....i lobbied for nick mangold, and justin blaylock or ben grubbs pretty hard.

That is scary when you put it that way... WOW!

Please tell me would I be correct or incorrect in analysing it in a potentially much scarier way?

Lineman contracted to steelers in 2008 (not including practice squad)
1. Sean Mahan 2008 - 2011
2. Simmons 2008 - 2011
3. Stapleton 2008 - 2009
4. Colon 2008
5. Smith 2008

All the rest are UFA, RFA or practice squad. So Mahan, Simmons and possibly Stapleton are our core heading into the future.

Is this the result of neglect, poor judgement of talent or mismanagement? The line had been a strength for a long time. Did we just wait one or two years too long to plan for the future or was this always the year planned for major upgrades???

I know that we will likely match the RFA's if they are low offers, maybe sign one UFA and hopefully retain some practice squad talent, bring in some Free agents and draft in this area.

Sorry for all the questions but I havent looked at this way before MOP amd LLT put it so simply.

Elvis
02-05-2008, 05:20 AM
Mahan has got to be better at G than he is a C. The man just couldnt do his job and to take over for the likes of Jeff Hartings, he just didnt have a chance.
LT Marvell Smith
LG Willie Colon
C Stapleton?
RG Kendall Simmons
RT Max Starks
This line might get us by another year if the Steelers select some O linemen in the upcoming draft. But we would have to resign Starks and I think that that might be a good idea right now.
.:coffee:

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-05-2008, 07:49 AM
Now that MOP & I have depressed everyone ...lets try and put a better spin on things....

Best case scenerio
LT FA acquisition (Travelle Wharton?, Jordan Gross?,Sean Locklear?)
LG Colon
C Simmons (stronger than Mahan and should be able to handle bull-rushers)
RG Mahan (stop-gap until we get a drafted OG developed)
RT Starks (Looked better this year then in the previous year and may be moved to LT with the FA at RT)

THEN look to the future by drafting an OT in the first round...OG in the second...and a Center in the 4th or 5th round

Rhee Rhee
02-06-2008, 12:22 AM
Now that MOP & I have depressed everyone ...lets try and put a better spin on things....

Best case scenerio
LT FA acquisition (Travelle Wharton?, Jordan Gross?,Sean Locklear?)
LG Colon
C Simmons (stronger than Mahan and should be able to handle bull-rushers)
RG Mahan (stop-gap until we get a drafted OG developed)
RT Starks (Looked better this year then in the previous year and may be moved to LT with the FA at RT)

THEN look to the future by drafting an OT in the first round...OG in the second...and a Center in the 4th or 5th round

the guys im targeting for thost O-line picks are:

chris williams, chilo rachal and fernando velasco..

Elvis
02-18-2008, 11:19 PM
That and we have Kendall Simons that we just gave a new contract to. Does anyone think we could trade him or Mahan?
Who would trade for either one of them? I wouldnt ....:hug:

Rhee Rhee
02-19-2008, 02:42 PM
no chance with the fat contracts we just gave them...

MasterOfPuppets
02-20-2008, 05:01 PM
That is scary when you put it that way... WOW!

Please tell me would I be correct or incorrect in analysing it in a potentially much scarier way?

Lineman contracted to steelers in 2008 (not including practice squad)
1. Sean Mahan 2008 - 2011
2. Simmons 2008 - 2011
3. Stapleton 2008 - 2009
4. Colon 2008
5. Smith 2008

All the rest are UFA, RFA or practice squad. So Mahan, Simmons and possibly Stapleton are our core heading into the future.

Is this the result of neglect, poor judgement of talent or mismanagement? The line had been a strength for a long time. Did we just wait one or two years too long to plan for the future or was this always the year planned for major upgrades???

I know that we will likely match the RFA's if they are low offers, maybe sign one UFA and hopefully retain some practice squad talent, bring in some Free agents and draft in this area.

Sorry for all the questions but I havent looked at this way before MOP amd LLT put it so simply.:busted:...ALL OF THE ABOVE !!! if you ask me, i say this all started in 2004....hartings contemplated retiring then, and it was obvious 2005 was going to be his last season. so what does the F.O. do? give chucky okolbi a new, starters like salary, which meant he was to be heir to the center position !!! so there's one example of poor judgement of talent !!! but they did make a solid effort when they drafted 6th rd center marvin phillips...:rolleyes: they've also known faneca was on his way out since 2005 , because these other bonehead owners, splashed big cash on mediocre FA guards and pushed the market value up. the steelers answer to replace thier best linemen.....a 6th rd pick named kemoeatu, and a cheap second rate guard named mahan !!! good planning guys !!! so now there's the matter of less than stellar players, marvel smith and max starks. personaly it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see either shown the door, if it weren't for whats behind door number 2......3rd round pick trai essex....COME ON DOWN !!! your the next contestant to fake being an nfl lineman !!!...:banging: so yeah, i guess you could say there's been a pattern of neglect....next we'll be talking about how bad our D line sucks, and try to figure why its been neglected.

lilyoder6
02-20-2008, 05:20 PM
well obivously our o-line was good enough to have the number 3 rush offense at the end of the seasson.. they just need to get better at pass blocking

MasterOfPuppets
02-20-2008, 05:52 PM
Now that MOP & I have depressed everyone ...lets try and put a better spin on things....


well LLT...its better they heard it from us, than a stranger on the streets.....:toofunny:

MasterOfPuppets
02-20-2008, 05:54 PM
no chance with the fat contracts we just gave them...
if i remember right, mahan's contract wasn't to big.

tony hipchest
02-20-2008, 05:57 PM
i gotta say...

great question by aussi_steeler and great summation by MOP.

19ward86
02-20-2008, 06:07 PM
i say we tell hartings or demetri dawson to come out of retirement........40 yrs old, smortie yrs old, they can play.

Aussie_steeler
02-20-2008, 11:38 PM
i gotta say...

great question by aussi_steeler and great summation by MOP.

:cheers: Tony

MOP and LLT are fast becoming my go to draft gurus. Scary thing is I am starting to think a little bit like both of them. Whats next in this evolutionary step?

Rhee Rhee
02-21-2008, 02:55 AM
if i remember right, mahan's contract wasn't to big.

http://pit.scout.com/2/625583.html


Mahan signed a five-year deal averaging just under $3.5 million per year. He'll be paid close to $5 million in the first year of the deal.
According to a Mahan, he could've taken more money elsewhere, but signed with the Steelers because of the opportunity to start at center in an organization with a tradition of success at the position.

Mahan also enjoys a comfort level with Mike Tomlin, who was a member of the Tampa Bay coaching staff during the first three seasons of Mahan's career. He also noted that he's excited to join an organization with the "tradition, success and history of stablity" that the Steelers have enjoyed.

Mahan hopes to replace the retired Jeff Hartings as the Steelers' starting center, a position that's been held on a full-time basis by only four players since 1964.

Mahan's competition will come from Kendall Simmons, who's been a disappointment at right guard for the Steelers. Simmons enters the final year of his contract and the team would like to find out if he's better suited for center.

Chukky Okobi will likely be released, due to his $2 million salary and lack of versatility.

The Steelers plan to look at both Mahan and Simmons at center during the April 20-22 minicamp preceding the draft.

Mahan, who'll turn 27 on May 28, is a 6-foot-3, 301-pounder who's considered a technician with the quickness and agility the Steelers seek at the position.

A fifth-round pick by Tampa Bay out of Notre Dame in 2003, Mahan renewed acquaintances Friday with Steelers coach Tomlin, who was part of the Tampa Bay coaching staff during Mahan's first three seasons in the league.

"He's a great coach. I admire him. I have a lot of respect for him," Mahan said. "I'd be here even if he wasn't here, but it's nice knowing he's here."

Mahan is a native of Jenks, Oklahoma, and was a two-year starter at Notre Dame. He was Notre Dame's most outstanding lineman in 2002.

The Steelers also met Friday with free-agent outside linebacker Colby Bockwoldt, who had hoped to join former BYU teammates Brett Keisel, Chris Hoke and Shaun Nua with the Steelers, but left Friday without reaching an agreement.

Bockwoldt is a 6-1, 237-pounder who'd add depth to the Steelers thin linebacking corps and play on special teams.

New Orleans drafted Bockwoldt out of BYU in 2004 and he started the final seven games of his rookie season at outside linebacker. He started all 16 games for the Saints in 2005 and led the team in tackles, but was cut at the end of the 2006 training camp.

"Anytime a coaching staff leaves the entire coaching staff left you don't have anybody left to fight for you," he said. "That's kind of how the business goes."

Tennessee picked up Bockwoldt off the waiver wire and he played in all 16 games last season, making one start, but the Titans didn't make him a qualifying offer to become a restricted free agent this month.

The 26-year-old has 114 career tackles with two sacks and three fumble recoveries. He said the Titans and 49ers have made him offers.




I consider 3 mil quite a bit... and considering the fact he didnt earn one penny of the three million i'd say he got a fat contract that he didnt live up to...

MasterOfPuppets
02-21-2008, 07:06 PM
but none the less....its still not a huge contract, if you consider the new market value.....he's not even close to the 48 mill, 18 mill guarnteed,that some of the others have gotten.

steelymcmatt
02-21-2008, 09:44 PM
Got a little different take....
1. I think we may look at Lorenzo Neal as the new BUS. If not, it'll probably be TJ
2. Depending on what tag the Ravens put on Brown, we may give up our 2nd or 4th
for him.
3. That being in place, I think it's the best remaining CB...probably Talib.

After that its probably too tough to say who'll be left in 2-7. Position wise, we need to pick up 1-3 offensive lineman, a wide reciever, nose tackle, and probably another safety

MasterOfPuppets
02-21-2008, 09:53 PM
Got a little different take....
1. I think we may look at Lorenzo Neal as the new BUS. If not, it'll probably be TJ
2. Depending on what tag the Ravens put on Brown, we may give up our 2nd or 4th
for him.
3. That being in place, I think it's the best remaining CB...probably Talib.

After that its probably too tough to say who'll be left in 2-7. Position wise, we need to pick up 1-3 offensive lineman, a wide reciever, nose tackle, and probably another safety
the new bus??? neal is OLDER than the old bus...the guy is freakin 37 !!!

The Duke
02-21-2008, 09:58 PM
1. I think we may look at Lorenzo Neal as the new BUS. If not, it'll probably be TJ


there is no new bus, the bus is unique and most likely no one will ever be like him

oh, and I assume you confuse the name right? neal is the bolts fullback

Rhee Rhee
02-22-2008, 12:55 AM
but none the less....its still not a huge contract, if you consider the new market value.....he's not even close to the 48 mill, 18 mill guarnteed,that some of the others have gotten.

i see what u mean...

to think this year's FA o-linemen aside from faneca will garner so much money and probably not earn any of it... thats what i see happening.. all of these fat contracts but no production...

steelymcmatt
02-22-2008, 08:33 AM
the new bus??? neal is OLDER than the old bus...the guy is freakin 37 !!!

But with less miles on the tires. I just think that we've really missed that big physical presence in the backfield the last two years, both as a runner, and as a blocker for Big Ben

steelymcmatt
02-22-2008, 08:36 AM
there is no new bus, the bus is unique and most likely no one will ever be like him

oh, and I assume you confuse the name right? neal is the bolts fullback

Obviously no one will ever replace the Bus, but Neal provides us the physical presence in the backfield we've been missing the last two years. And no, I didnt confuse the name, I meant Neal the Chargers runningback/fullback who is an unrestricted free agent.

fansince'76
02-22-2008, 08:43 AM
But with less miles on the tires. I just think that we've really missed that big physical presence in the backfield the last two years, both as a runner, and as a blocker for Big Ben

I think we've missed an OL that can actually open holes....

swanman12
02-22-2008, 12:41 PM
I really like Branden Albert from Virginia. I watched some film on him, and heard them talking about him on NFL network. I think he is pretty impressive especially in space. I think he would work well with Parker in creating holes as well as blocking down the field.

DACEB
02-27-2008, 02:09 PM
I was thinking that the team is in good position to draft BPA(according to need) in the first 3-4 rounds.

There will be an O-lineman for us in the 1st, whether or not he has value to us is yet to be determined.
There will most likely be great value at DB, and very good value at LB in the 1st if the team chooses so.
There is even a chance to land a possible premiere RB or WR in the 1st.

The 2nd round offers more value on both the O-line and D-line.
There could possibly be excellent value on a player that falls due to other teams needs.

The 3rd and 4th rounds will have value on both lines, and this will be the area to fill in the voids from the previous rounds.

The team can still get help on both lines in the late rounds and the later rounds will still have plenty of help at LB and RB.

This could be a very good draft for us, too bad we don't have more picks. IMO, we should look to trade down in the 2nd or 3rd.

DACEB
02-29-2008, 07:55 AM
1.Brandon Albert OG/OT
2. Red Bryant DT
3. Thomas DeCoud S
4. Jonathan Goff LB
5. Keilen Dykes DT/DE
7. Carl Stewart FB/RB

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-29-2008, 09:23 AM
1.Brandon Albert OG/OT
2. Red Bryant DT
3. Thomas DeCoud S
4. Jonathan Goff LB
5. Keilen Dykes DT/DE
7. Carl Stewart FB/RB


I am fine with any draft that start 1.2. like this. Red Bryant is a premier run stuffer, but the only question is if he can play 3-4 DE. or is he just a NT.

I would still like to see a WR taken somewhere. Jordy Nelson, Eddie Royal, Dexter Jackson can all fit and return kicks as well as play WR.

Rhee Rhee
03-01-2008, 01:13 AM
1.Brandon Albert OG/OT
2. Red Bryant DT
3. Thomas DeCoud S
4. Jonathan Goff LB
5. Keilen Dykes DT/DE
7. Carl Stewart FB/RB

i love it... i really really love it! if we're taking red bryant no need to draft keilen dykes... use that pick on a reciever or a CB...

DACEB
03-01-2008, 05:12 AM
i love it... i really really love it! if we're taking red bryant no need to draft keilen dykes... use that pick on a reciever or a CB...

Bryant DT/NT, Dykes DT/DE and we need help at both spots. Also let's us tinker with the 4-3. If we could land these two guys and they work out, we could clear some cap space next year on the D-line and get younger in the process.

If you still want a CB, how about Antwaun Molden E.Ky in the 5th

I believe all those picks are realistic also. Especially given the fact that besides Miami (which thier direction is uncertain) all the 3-4 teams made moves in free agency or are set at NT, leaving Bryant all to us.

I think it's possible 3 and 4 would need to be swapped but many of the LBs looked to be slotted in the middle rounds. I'd like to hear some opinions on the LB class.

Steel Buckeye
03-02-2008, 12:09 PM
Here is what I would like to see in the first 5 rounds. The good news is we could trade down and still get most of these picks.

1. Gosder Cherilus-RT
2. Roy Schuening-G
3. Steve Justice-C
4. Kendall Langford-DE
5. Dwight Lowery-CB

Rhee Rhee
03-02-2008, 11:22 PM
Bryant DT/NT, Dykes DT/DE and we need help at both spots. Also let's us tinker with the 4-3. If we could land these two guys and they work out, we could clear some cap space next year on the D-line and get younger in the process.

If you still want a CB, how about Antwaun Molden E.Ky in the 5th

I believe all those picks are realistic also. Especially given the fact that besides Miami (which thier direction is uncertain) all the 3-4 teams made moves in free agency or are set at NT, leaving Bryant all to us.

I think it's possible 3 and 4 would need to be swapped but many of the LBs looked to be slotted in the middle rounds. I'd like to hear some opinions on the LB class.

a guy who people were high on was J leman... i think his stock has taken a bit of a drop but nonetheless if he's there 3rd or 4th round i'd be glad...

BigBenInME
04-19-2011, 09:04 PM
Guys,

I've been hearing a lot about Carson Coffman...he has been moving up Mel Kipers draft board as a sleeper, potentially a 2nd to late 1st round pick!!! Check out this highlight and tell me what you think? Looks like he has a strong arm and and some poise and moxie in the pocket. Scouts have been talking about how smart of a player he is and what an exceptional leader he became over his junior and senior seasons. Would love to see him in steelers black and yellow black and yellow black and yellow....:helmet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBhDDIfhlm8