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Elvis
02-05-2008, 09:46 AM
This Information is coming to you from Rivals.com
My question for you all is: If the Steelers take an OT in the 1st round, who should it be and why?

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Frank Coyle (http://www.draftinsiders.com/)'s analysis of the class:
This year's offensive tackle group is an above-average class. The addition of juniors Ryan Clady (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=43745) and Anthony Collins (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=45943) certainly helped the depth at this spot.
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Jake Long (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=3411) will likely be the first player selected at this position, and he should go in the top 10. There will be at least three first-round picks with prospects like Clady, Gosder Cherilus (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=1042), Chris Williams (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=8515) and Jeff Otah (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63697) all possible first-round selections - depending on their performances at the NFL Combine.

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2008 NFL Draft Offensive Tackle Rankings
1. Jake Long (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=3411), 6-7, 305, Michigan
Long is a physical player who has the skills and collegiate experience to start as an NFL rookie.
2. * Ryan Clady (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=43745), 6-5, 320, Boise State
Clady is a nimble junior left tackle who is prepping for a strong NFL Combine effort after a dominant career in the WAC.
3. Gosder Cherilus (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=1042), 6-6, 320, Boston College
Cherilus is a massive, yet athletic, left tackle. He has developed nicely and had a big performance at the Senior Bowl - which puts him right there with the elite prospects in this group.
4. Chris Williams (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=8515), 6-6, 315, Vanderbilt
Williams is a big, mobile prospect who has developed nicely over his career. He graded out high against top SEC talent and closed his college career with a strong Senior Bowl performance.
5. Jeff Otah (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63697), 6-6, 340, Pittsburgh
Otah is a huge and mobile prospect who has very good footwork. He has the size, weight and speed to be one of the fastest rising prospects in this class.
6. Sam Baker (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=7675), 6-5, 308, USC
Baker faced a key week at the Senior Bowl after an injury-marred final season. He performed fairly well in Mobile, and could move up on draft boards if he shines at the Combine. 7. Tony Hills (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=2768), 6-6, 305, Texas
This big and mobile prospect developed nicely over his college career, but he is still rehabbing a broken leg suffered in early November.
8. * Anthony Collins (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=45943), 6-6, 310, Kansas
This underclassman is a nimble player who developed nicely over the 2007 season. Collins has all the tools necessary to be a fine pro.
9. John Greco (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=23306), 6-5, 320, Toledo
Greco is a physical prospect who has displayed a fine combination of power, technique and quickness. The question is if his skills will translate against top competition.
10. King Dunlap (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=34), 6-8, 310, Auburn
This very tall Tiger has good footwork and his technique is improving. Dunlap has the power to develop into a potential NFL starter.
11. Heath Benedict (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=17577), 6-6, 320, Newberry
This former Tennessee Volunteer has the size and skill to play in the NFL. He will compete for playing time on the outside as a pro with further development.
12. Duane Brown (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=1549), 6-5, 305, Virginia Tech
Brown completed a fine college career, displaying good footwork and technique to play either inside or outside. His versatility will be an asset.
13. Kirk Barton (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=23390), 6-5, 310, Ohio State

14. Chad Rinehart (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=46130), 6-5, 315, Northern Iowa

15. Barry Richardson (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=37203), 6-6, 345, Clemson

16. Carl Nicks (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=64129), 6-5, 335, Nebraska

17. Pedro Sosa (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=37105), 6-4, 290, Rutgers

18. Shannon Boatman (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=62896), 6-6, 320, Florida State

19. Akim Millington (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=63140), 6-5, 310, Illinois

20. David Hale (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=45441), 6-6, 310, Weber State


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Elvis
02-05-2008, 09:56 AM
Sorry I messed up the choices and I cant figure out how to fix them. But this is the way they should look as your 4th choice thru the 6th choice.
4 Clady
5 Baker
6 Richardson
:cheers:

Lord Stiller
02-05-2008, 09:57 AM
I want either Williams or Cherilus. I like Otah but he seems to be a pure RT, i would rather us draft a pure LT instead

Elvis
02-05-2008, 10:00 AM
Lord, I agree with ya my friend. I just think that Cherilus would be a better guy for us though. Yeah, Left side is where we are needing the most help I think. The left side is to protect Bens' blind side and that is very important to our future. I know this years draft is full of OT's but I think that it is very important to get a top notch guy as early as possible. I really think that the Steelers should resign Starks though.
:tt02:

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-05-2008, 10:08 AM
Also went with Cherilus, based on strength...mobility...and potential ceiling.

Rhee Rhee
02-06-2008, 01:30 AM
hmm i went with williams just cause we need a stud LT... marvel is great but any time a LINEMEN is having back issues that is never good..

brsteelers
02-10-2008, 07:52 AM
Pretty much the same. Got to go with Cherilus. BC linemen tend to do well in the pros.

MasterOfPuppets
02-10-2008, 10:01 AM
I want either Williams or Cherilus. I like Otah but he seems to be a pure RT, i would rather us draft a pure LT insteadcolon gave up, by far a team high of 12.5 sacks from the RIGHT side. its been noted several times through out the years the steelers have more success running the ball to the left side. the bottom line is, smith will probably walk next year, so we need both sides, at the very least for depth. but i think going into this year ,the priority should be to replace colon on the right.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-10-2008, 10:38 AM
colon gave up, by far a team high of 12.5 sacks from the RIGHT side. its been noted several times through out the years the steelers have more success running the ball to the left side. the bottom line is, smith will probably walk next year, so we need both sides, at the very least for depth. but i think going into this year ,the priority should be to replace colon on the right.

I know you dont like Wharton..but he was probably out of position on the left side at Carolina...RT may be a better place for him where he wont get the speed rushers off the left side

MasterOfPuppets
02-10-2008, 11:16 AM
I know you dont like Wharton..but he was probably out of position on the left side at Carolina...RT may be a better place for him where he wont get the speed rushers off the left sideLLT, i visited a carolina web site to see what they have to say about losing wharton....they don't seem to be to worried about it. in fact, i seen starks name being thrown around as a replacement !!! :toofunny:....its funny how everyone thinks the grass is greener on the other side. many also suggested, if they keep wharton,he should be moved to guard.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-10-2008, 11:53 AM
LLT, i visited a carolina web site to see what they have to say about losing wharton....they don't seem to be to worried about it. in fact, i seen starks name being thrown around as a replacement !!! :toofunny:....its funny how everyone thinks the grass is greener on the other side. many also suggested, if they keep wharton,he should be moved to guard.

I mentioned that in another post...Colon to RG...Wharton to LG...Simmons to Center...Retain Starks ....draft a LT who can (hopefully) sit behind Smith or Starks for a year.

Lots of moving ...but it looks stronger thatn what we had.

Galax Steeler
02-10-2008, 01:33 PM
I voted cherilus I like the way he plays and he also had a good game in the probowl.

Rhee Rhee
02-10-2008, 02:06 PM
I voted cherilus I like the way he plays and he also had a good game in the probowl.

I mentioned that in another post...Colon to RG...Wharton to LG...Simmons to Center...Retain Starks ....draft a LT who can (hopefully) sit behind Smith or Starks for a year.

Lots of moving ...but it looks stronger thatn what we had.

sounds good... mainly because i really really dont want to see colon at RT again... it wasn't that he was bad it's just i think he can be best utilized inside....

do uk if wharton has any history at LG at the pro level?

The Duke
02-10-2008, 02:22 PM
sounds good... mainly because i really really dont want to see colon at RT again... it wasn't that he was bad it's just i think he can be best utilized inside....


nah, he was bad :smile:

Rhee Rhee
02-10-2008, 03:51 PM
nah, he was bad :smile:

LOL i was trying to stay positive so no one would get antsy... but what the hell


he sucked.

MasterOfPuppets
02-10-2008, 04:29 PM
LOL i was trying to stay positive so no one would get antsy... but what the hell


he sucked.sucked is an understatement.....an orange highway cone probably would have slowed the rush down more,,,,:toofunny:

Lord Stiller
02-10-2008, 06:03 PM
colon gave up, by far a team high of 12.5 sacks from the RIGHT side. its been noted several times through out the years the steelers have more success running the ball to the left side. the bottom line is, smith will probably walk next year, so we need both sides, at the very least for depth. but i think going into this year ,the priority should be to replace colon on the right.

Thats cuz Colon is a guard. LT is the most important position on the Oline. Smith was a much better RT than LT. If Williams can start at LT, move Smith back to RT

Rhee Rhee
02-11-2008, 04:03 AM
what we need is a two or three first rounders...

rbryan
02-11-2008, 11:28 AM
Spaeth is only 3 happy meals away from being the size of a RT, maybe thats part of the plan to sure up the OL. If anybody sees him out, buy him a cheeseburger. lol

MDSteel15
02-11-2008, 06:34 PM
I'm sure everyone here wants one of the top Tacles but face it people, we probably won't with so mant teams needing them. Get ready for Cherilus even thou he is a RT, Richardson ot Nicks.....

NJarhead
02-12-2008, 07:01 PM
Gosder Cherilus is the gem in this bunch. You heard it here first.

MasterOfPuppets
02-12-2008, 07:33 PM
Gosder Cherilus is the gem in this bunch. You heard it here first.
cough....otah....cough

steel65
02-12-2008, 07:42 PM
hey sitting here in N.J. can anyone tell me whats going on in steeler land what is alan going to do We get all the games out here but after season nothing. so does he stay or is there teams looking at him do you think he would make a good center mahan SUCKS!!!!!

Lord Stiller
02-12-2008, 08:52 PM
cough....otah....cough

I'd take Gosder over Otah

NJarhead
02-12-2008, 09:38 PM
hey sitting here in N.J. can anyone tell me whats going on in steeler land what is alan going to do We get all the games out here but after season nothing. so does he stay or is there teams looking at him do you think he would make a good center mahan SUCKS!!!!!

"New Jersey? Get a rope."

Disclaimer: Before anyone freaks out that's from an old Pace Picante sauce commercial..., and I'm from NJ too.

NJarhead
02-12-2008, 09:42 PM
cough....otah....cough

See! You can't even say "Otah" without coughing. It doesn't doesn't flow off the tongue the way "Gosder Cherilus" does. LOL! :wink02:

Elvis
02-13-2008, 05:48 AM
Gosder Cherilus is the gem in this bunch. You heard it here first.
I agree whole heartedly with ya WarDen. I like the way he looked at the senior bowl in practice and in the game. Of course I like the way takes over the DE and pushes him out of the way consistently.
:coffee:

NJarhead
02-13-2008, 07:00 PM
I agree whole heartedly with ya WarDen. I like the way he looked at the senior bowl in practice and in the game. Of course I like the way takes over the DE and pushes him out of the way consistently.
:coffee:

I heard that he hired a retired Jet (forgot his name, but pretty well known) to train him as an NFL Tackle. This guy says Gosder is going to be a force.

Rhee Rhee
02-14-2008, 12:19 AM
idk personally i think cherilus is a mid to high second round pick but with us standing pretty late in the 1st i kinda don't wanna reach on him...

but either way if we do end up drafting him we definitely use his services

Give It To Abercrombie
02-15-2008, 05:18 PM
On a different site I heard a BC fan saying that Cherilus is a walking, talking False Start machine. His blocking is incredible but he has trouble with jumping early. Didn't quote any numbers and I haven't seen any BC games to corroborate it. Anyone else heard this? Anyone know of a site that's so dedicated (or sad) or track stuff like that?

NJarhead
02-15-2008, 05:48 PM
On a different site I heard a BC fan saying that Cherilus is a walking, talking False Start machine. His blocking is incredible but he has trouble with jumping early. Didn't quote any numbers and I haven't seen any BC games to corroborate it. Anyone else heard this? Anyone know of a site that's so dedicated (or sad) or track stuff like that?

I hadn't heard that, but it doesn't mean it's not true. Still, he'll be a rookie and if he already has the tools and athleticism then he can be coached.

Dino 6 Rings
02-15-2008, 05:59 PM
Otah has spent the last 4 years playing at Heinz Field...you know he won't have a problem with the Turf

Lets Go PITT!!!

Elvis
02-15-2008, 06:20 PM
I heard that he hired a retired Jet (forgot his name, but pretty well known) to train him as an NFL Tackle. This guy says Gosder is going to be a force.
All sounds peachy with me mr WarDen
:cheers:

NJarhead
02-15-2008, 08:57 PM
All sounds peachy with me mr WarDen
:cheers:

:cheers:

BigBen403
02-24-2008, 02:07 PM
I really hope we can snag a few of the O-Line guys that can start and make an impact right away. Ben has proved he's an upper tier QB after a horrible season the year before. We have a lot of guys in place to make many more runs if we can sure up the O-line and D-line with solid in-the-trence guys. We dont rebuilt we reload..... Let go Steelers !!!!! I hate the Pat's

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-24-2008, 02:19 PM
Bad news for Otah at this years combine...he is being called slow and "soft".

Jeremy
02-24-2008, 02:24 PM
Bad news for Otah at this years combine...he is being called slow and "soft".

Slow you can almost live with in a pass blocker. Soft is a really tough label to shed.

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-25-2008, 12:06 PM
Otah has spent the last 4 years playing at Heinz Field...you know he won't have a problem with the Turf

Lets Go PITT!!!

He actually only played 2 years as he was a Juco transfer.

Where is the quote calling Otah slow and soft??? I saw Mayock and Charles Davis on NFL Network saying "this isnt a good forum for Jeff Otah, but just put in the tape of the game against Virginia and Chris Long and thats all you need to see." BTW, Otah held Long without a sack.

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-25-2008, 12:17 PM
Gosder Cherilus is the gem in this bunch. You heard it here first.

I Tivo-ed the Senior Bowl week and Cherilus really scared me. He battled hard with the big DT's, but couldnt handle many speed rushers. Here is a report on day 2 of practice.

Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College: Cherilus looked impressive in weigh-ins on Monday morning yet struggled during the initial two practices. He was beaten badly a number of times by pass rushers who exploited his inability to slide laterally

Then he looked heavy footed in the game and had trouble blocking defenders in space. Here is the report on him after Sr. Bowl week.

Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College: Cherilus was expected to have a big week but failed to deliver. He possesses the size and strength to start in the NFL, but his inability to block in anything other than a small area was troublesome. Cherilus now needs a big combine to preserve being a first-round choice.

Watch any of the Matt Ryan videos on NFL Network and see #77. He sets up flat footed and doesnt block well unless bull rushed. His 5.2 -40 yd dash is good, but almost fell down in the 3 cone drill yesterday. He is a RT that will struggle with Terrell Suggs, Elvis Dumerville, or any DE with speed.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-25-2008, 12:20 PM
He actually only played 2 years as he was a Juco transfer.

Where is the quote calling Otah slow and soft??? I saw Mayock and Charles Davis on NFL Network saying "this isnt a good forum for Jeff Otah, but just put in the tape of the game against Virginia and Chris Long and thats all you need to see." BTW, Otah held Long without a sack.

"One lineman who didn't really impress was Jeff Otah with his 5.56 40 yd time and only 27 benches. not horrible, but as a 332 pounder he also looks a little soft as well. he is going to need a really good pro day or he will probably drop."

http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/2008/combine/notes.htm

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-25-2008, 12:48 PM
Thanks for the link.

I just think its funny for some draftnik at sportsnutz.com to state for obvious that a 340lb guy in shorts looks soft:smile: Its kind of like being amazed that Casey Hampton looks soft when not in pads.

I enjoyed listening to Mayock and Davis comment about Otah in the cross-blocking drill at the combine..."now this is finally a drill for Jeff Otah...he gets to hit something!!!"

They keep commenting on his nastiness and ability to block, but also get back to his relative inexperience(2 year Juco transfer) and the fact he stands too tall, like in the mirror drill.

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-03-2008, 06:41 AM
Just saw were its rumored that Ryan Clady scored a 4 on his wonderlic....a 4?????

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-03-2008, 03:38 PM
Just saw were its rumored that Ryan Clady scored a 4 on his wonderlic....a 4?????

I saw that rumour on a chiefs website. Is that where you saw it too??

Again, I have taken the wonderlic. Its a test where each progressive set of 5 questions gets more difficult. I believe its 50 questions long and there is a time limit so its designed that almost nobody completes it.

I would say the average 10th grader should be able to get the first 5 questions right and probably score double digits. If that 4 is legit he will really slide or it will reveal he has a learning disability like Dexter Manley.

Heck, Dexter Manley should even be able to score a 5!!!

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-03-2008, 03:48 PM
I saw that rumour on a chiefs website. Is that where you saw it too??

Again, I have taken the wonderlic. Its a test where each progressive set of 5 questions gets more difficult. I believe its 50 questions long and there is a time limit so its designed that almost nobody completes it.

I would say the average 10th grader should be able to get the first 5 questions right and probably score double digits. If that 4 is legit he will really slide or it will reveal he has a learning disability like Dexter Manley.

Heck, Dexter Manley should even be able to score a 5!!!

I sae it being poked fun at by an ESPN writer....yeah....thats piss poor!!!

MasterOfPuppets
03-03-2008, 07:21 PM
if you can't read the questions ,how could you score any? unless of course its multiple choice.....taking C on everyone ,should land ya at least a 10....:thumbsup:

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-03-2008, 11:31 PM
I cant remember if you are fractionally penalized for wrong answers....its been 5 years since I took it.

Here is a sample of what the questions are like. One website said 21 is average intelligence and sub 14 is moronic.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

BTW, I'm in the Otah, Nicks or Benedict camp on this topic

Elvis
03-05-2008, 06:33 PM
I just think that Otah is too much of a project at this time and we need a starter NOW..
:tt02:

Steel Buckeye
03-09-2008, 02:46 PM
I would go with Branden Albert, he can play both tackle and guard. I like Cherilus and Otah, but I'd rather choose a player that can play 2 positions over a player that is limited to just one.

Elvis
03-11-2008, 09:44 AM
steelbuckeye, good point my friend. I have been big on an OT throughout the offseason so far, but with all the talent in this upcoming draft in the OT position, maybe the Steelers could get a good OT in the 2nd round. And I am sure that Branden will not be around late in the 2nd for us.
:helmet:

GBMelBlount
03-11-2008, 09:59 AM
I would go with Branden Albert, he can play both tackle and guard. I like Cherilus and Otah, but I'd rather choose a player that can play 2 positions over a player that is limited to just one.

Actually most of our lineman can already play two positions. Unfortunately, the 2nd postion is usually curled up on the ground sucking their thumbs watching
Ben run around as if he was just set on fire.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-11-2008, 01:57 PM
Actually most of our lineman can already play two positions. Unfortunately, the 2nd postion is usually curled up on the ground sucking their thumbs watching
Ben run around as if he was just set on fire.


Yeah, if you want versatility, then Sam Baker is the pick. He can play all 4 positions other than center.

Personally I would rather have somebody that can dominate the run game like Otah, Carl Nicks or even Cherilus(but he still scares me in pass pro) I'm even starting to warm up on Heath Benedict.

BettisFan
03-11-2008, 04:02 PM
We should have kept Alan

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-11-2008, 04:25 PM
We should have kept Alan

At $8mil a season...............no way.

BettisFan
03-11-2008, 06:14 PM
I think its better to bet a vet more than draft a rook who will take time to improve we want to win now.

BettisFan
03-11-2008, 06:15 PM
But if we draft one i would go with mr. otah