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aclark99
02-18-2008, 05:30 PM
Now that the Bungles have placed the franchise tag on a former Steeler in Stacey Andrews. Is Justin Smith a lock to be a Steeler?

Just saw on ESPN that Mushin Muhammed was released. Does anyone think he would be a great #3 WR for the Steelers?

Steelersfan4life0655
02-18-2008, 05:36 PM
I dont see it happening for Muhammed. Maybe Smith. but Muhammed just doesnt fit our system,imo. but who knows.

19ward86
02-18-2008, 05:41 PM
i dont see the steelers picking up a 30 somethin yr old reciever that never truly got his career goin. i can truly careless about smith anymore, i was high on him at first but i still believe keisel can get it done, plus smith is a pass rusher not a guy that likes to deal with guards all the time. who knows.

The Duke
02-18-2008, 05:52 PM
Justin Smith is definitely not a lock for the Steelers, he'll be a free agent sure, but I doubt he'll be a steeler. he will probably get a large contract that the steelers will never give him

Muhammad would be nice, at least for some training camp competition. this might push nate to do a better job knowing his position is in danger

Crushzilla
02-18-2008, 05:54 PM
i dont see the steelers picking up a 30 somethin yr old reciever that never truly got his career goin. i can truly careless about smith anymore, i was high on him at first but i still believe keisel can get it done, plus smith is a pass rusher not a guy that likes to deal with guards all the time. who knows.

I don't know about Smith either, but would a pass rusher be so bad? If he plays the run well enough to be an end in our 4-3, then we could surely use the pass rush. It would help our secondary A LOT and we wouldn't be dead meat when we send 3 against people like Brady.

Last season, we had a little over two sacks a game. I would love to improve that, so I'm not ruling out a pass rushing specialist.

The Duke
02-18-2008, 06:08 PM
Last season, we had a little over two sacks a game. I would love to improve that, so I'm not ruling out a pass rushing specialist.

watch woodley come in and knock QBs heads in 2008 :tt02:

I think he's actually gonna improve our pass rush a lot, with him in one side and Harrison in the other offenses just won't know where the pass rush is coming from

as long as we have those 2 producing I think we won't need to switch to 4-3

Crushzilla
02-18-2008, 06:18 PM
watch woodley come in and knock QBs heads in 2008 :tt02:

I think he's actually gonna improve our pass rush a lot, with him in one side and Harrison in the other offenses just won't know where the pass rush is coming from

as long as we have those 2 producing I think we won't need to switch to 4-3

I, too, would rather not see the Steelers move to a 4-3, but I guess I've sort of accepted it as a forgone conclusion, for some reason, because I meant to say 3-4 :dang:

I hope Woodley really blows up. It would be nice to have both of them blitzing effectively, but having a guy who could rush off the line would be a nice luxury.

Stlrs4Life
02-18-2008, 06:23 PM
Justin Smith is definitely not a lock for the Steelers, he'll be a free agent sure, but I doubt he'll be a steeler. he will probably get a large contract that the steelers will never give him

Muhammad would be nice, at least for some training camp competition. this might push nate to do a better job knowing his position is in danger

Same here. Smith would be better in our 3-4, but will command too much $$$.

CantStop85
02-18-2008, 06:46 PM
Now that the Bungles have placed the franchise tag on a former Steeler in Stacey Andrews.
Stacey Andrews was never a Steeler...


Is Justin Smith a lock to be a Steeler?

If you're looking for a 4-3 pass-rushing end then no. If you're looking for a 3-4 end, maybe, but probably not due to his price.

Justin Smith is a horrible pass rusher by the way, for those of you who want him for that reason.

HometownGal
02-18-2008, 06:54 PM
The Steelers are not going to pay Justin Smith 8+ million per season - no way Jose. As for Muhammad, he will be 35 years old before the start of TC and really hasn't had a stellar season since leaving the Panthers. I say no to both.

MDSteel15
02-18-2008, 07:36 PM
I think Justin Smith playing DE would make our D- so dynamic that our sack totals would soar!!! Love the idea.....

polamalu82
02-18-2008, 07:41 PM
I doubt Smith will ever be a Steeler. Muhammad I could see ending up in Tennessee. The reason I say that is, this year we all know the Titans will take prob 2 wr's in the draft. He would be a good mentor for the younger receivers they will be bringing in.

CantStop85
02-19-2008, 01:39 AM
I think Justin Smith playing DE would make our D- so dynamic that our sack totals would soar!!! Love the idea.....

:dang:

Steel Pit
02-19-2008, 02:41 AM
Who the hell is Justin Smith? Some of you are talking this guy up as if he's another Reggie White. Hey people, we play the Bengals twice every season and have done so for many years. How often did you see Justin Smith sacking our QB or disrupting ANYTHING in our backfield? Justin Smith is a bum.

Besides, according to a lot of you our defensive line is "cream of the 3-4 scheme crop" so why in the heck would the Steelers want to add Justin Smith?

Some of you need to avoid viewing the waiver wire. You seem to get a tingle at nearly every release but MOST of these guys are BUMS! The Steelers approach has always been to avoid these types of players and I'm thankful for that.

Give it a month or so and we may see the Steelers sign a DB or LB that they expect will play special teams for them. I'm sure that the signing won't satisfy your overwhelming hunger to sign a high dollar free agent but it may tide you over for a bit.

Galax Steeler
02-19-2008, 04:39 AM
The Steelers are not going to pay Justin Smith 8+ million per season - no way Jose. As for Muhammad, he will be 35 years old before the start of TC and really hasn't had a stellar season since leaving the Panthers. I say no to both.

Agreed I don't see where either would be an upgrade to what we already have.

Dino 6 Rings
02-19-2008, 12:12 PM
Muhammad actually wouldn't be a bad pick up if we can get him on the cheap. yes, his numbers dropped off in Chicago. Chicago, a run first team with no QB for 3 years. I think with Ward and Holmes, Muhammad is the kind of guy that would really fit in as our #3 guy. He's got great hands and knows the game very well.

A 2 or 3 year deal for him might be worth a look. If he doesn't make it through camp because he's "old" so be it, but I think the guy would play hard for the Steelers, would help to groom some younger guys, would learn the system quick and would take a lot of pressure off Ward and Holmes, and Miller as Muhammad wouldn't draw any double teams until later on in a season when his numbers dicated more attention needed paid to him.

I liked the guy at Carolina, and was shocked he took the Chicago deal since they don't pass the ball well.

tony hipchest
02-19-2008, 12:27 PM
for the same price, mushin would be a huge upgrade over c. wilson.

he had 40 catches last year, and has averaged over 14ypc in 4 of his last 5 seasons. he is durable and there is prescedent of the steelers making a move like this when they brought in terence mathis to finish out his career.

sure we need to get younger, but we also need to get better.

DACEB
02-19-2008, 12:27 PM
Who the hell is Justin Smith? Some of you are talking this guy up as if he's another Reggie White. Hey people, we play the Bengals twice every season and have done so for many years. How often did you see Justin Smith sacking our QB or disrupting ANYTHING in our backfield? Justin Smith is a bum.

Besides, according to a lot of you our defensive line is "cream of the 3-4 scheme crop" so why in the heck would the Steelers want to add Justin Smith?

Some of you need to avoid viewing the waiver wire. You seem to get a tingle at nearly every release but MOST of these guys are BUMS! The Steelers approach has always been to avoid these types of players and I'm thankful for that.

Give it a month or so and we may see the Steelers sign a DB or LB that they expect will play special teams for them. I'm sure that the signing won't satisfy your overwhelming hunger to sign a high dollar free agent but it may tide you over for a bit.

Agree 100% on Smith, does'nt fit, don't need him, don't want him.

Hopefully we sign several FAs that have an impact on the team, but it will most likely be just as SteelPit stated. The team will most likely go after DBs and LBs that will be for depth and special teams. Hopefully

Dino 6 Rings
02-19-2008, 12:42 PM
for the same price, mushin would be a huge upgrade over c. wilson.

he had 40 catches last year, and has averaged over 14ypc in 4 of his last 5 seasons. he is durable and there is prescedent of the steelers making a move like this when they brought in terence mathis to finish out his career.

sure we need to get younger, but we also need to get better.

Agreed, a real upgrade over Wilson for sure. Then we'd have the guy with the longest running td in a superbowl and the guy with the longest pass reception td in a superbowl in the same offense. :cheers:

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-19-2008, 01:01 PM
Who the hell is Justin Smith? Some of you are talking this guy up as if he's another Reggie White. Hey people, we play the Bengals twice every season and have done so for many years. How often did you see Justin Smith sacking our QB or disrupting ANYTHING in our backfield? Justin Smith is a bum.

Besides, according to a lot of you our defensive line is "cream of the 3-4 scheme crop" so why in the heck would the Steelers want to add Justin Smith?

Some of you need to avoid viewing the waiver wire. You seem to get a tingle at nearly every release but MOST of these guys are BUMS! The Steelers approach has always been to avoid these types of players and I'm thankful for that.

Give it a month or so and we may see the Steelers sign a DB or LB that they expect will play special teams for them. I'm sure that the signing won't satisfy your overwhelming hunger to sign a high dollar free agent but it may tide you over for a bit.

Actually if you watch the Steelers/Bengals playoff game..you will see that Smith was by far the best Defensive player the Bengals had...led the team in Tackles.

Smith is a VERY good player, and when the Bengals had something that even resembled a LB corp...he was a Monster. He has the size,strength and the speed to be a 3-4 DE.

It was only this last year when the Bengals LBers were a joke that teams just double teamed him. He was held to 2 sacks but had 78 tackles on the season...Over the last 4 years he has averaged 73.5 tackles a year and 6.2 sacks.

If we were to pick him up he would start on the other side of Smith...as an improvement over Kiesel.

Kiesel is 6'5 285...Smith is 6'4 275..so we wouldnt give up anything except that Smith has a little speed to go along with comparable strength.

We are so thin at DE ...this would be a great signing...sorry to disagree but MAN..I would take him tommorrow!!!!

Rhee Rhee
02-19-2008, 03:26 PM
The Steelers are not going to pay Justin Smith 8+ million per season - no way Jose. As for Muhammad, he will be 35 years old before the start of TC and really hasn't had a stellar season since leaving the Panthers. I say no to both.

exactly...

pass on both of 'em... besides we just resigned krischke...

aclark99
02-19-2008, 03:30 PM
And Travis Kirshke has done what for the Steelers. This was a waste of good cap space. We need players that are going to make an impact and a plus would be on the youth side. Kirshke is 33 years old. I would rather have Ryan McBean on the line instead of Kirshke. There are better options than this. :jawdrop:

The Duke
02-19-2008, 04:10 PM
And Travis Kirshke has done what for the Steelers. This was a waste of good cap space. We need players that are going to make an impact and a plus would be on the youth side. Kirshke is 33 years old. I would rather have Ryan McBean on the line instead of Kirshke. There are better options than this. :jawdrop:

he was good in the 2nd jax game, and having a veteran backup never hurts

I agree that we need younger guys, but if both aaron smith and brett keisel get injured (*knocks wood*) having a veteran like Kirshke would help the team

steelpride12
02-19-2008, 04:18 PM
Don't bet on either happening we all know now and even stated the Steelers or should i say Rooney's will more than likely not take free agents and it will be a desperate move if made.
Muhammad is too old and is not the same and not worth the money and Smith i do not see coming over and more than likely won't.

Steel Pit
02-20-2008, 02:20 AM
Actually if you watch the Steelers/Bengals playoff game..you will see that Smith was by far the best Defensive player the Bengals had...led the team in Tackles.

Smith is a VERY good player, and when the Bengals had something that even resembled a LB corp...he was a Monster. He has the size,strength and the speed to be a 3-4 DE.

It was only this last year when the Bengals LBers were a joke that teams just double teamed him. He was held to 2 sacks but had 78 tackles on the season...Over the last 4 years he has averaged 73.5 tackles a year and 6.2 sacks.

If we were to pick him up he would start on the other side of Smith...as an improvement over Kiesel.

Kiesel is 6'5 285...Smith is 6'4 275..so we wouldnt give up anything except that Smith has a little speed to go along with comparable strength.

We are so thin at DE ...this would be a great signing...sorry to disagree but MAN..I would take him tommorrow!!!!

I'm not saying that Smith has always been a bum. I just haven't seen him do much for a few years. It's sad to say but I do watch a lot of Bengals games, in hopes that they lose, and Smith just plays OLD anymore. I agree that he is probably the best defensive player that the Bengals have but, is that saying a mouth full?

I suppose I wouldn't complain too much if the Steelers signed him to a league minimum contract but I don't see him signing for that type of money. My fuss was directed towards the notion of the Steelers signing him to a big money contract that he's probably going to get from someone.

I don't believe that Smith will ever earn the money that he's about to receive so therefore, factoring in his performance the past couple of seasons with a new big money contract, I will have to conclude that he'll be a bust, or as I prefer, a BUM!

RJC
02-20-2008, 08:02 AM
Ok, first and foremost, the Pittsburgh Steelers are NOT going to a 4-3 defense. No way, no shape, no how. Woodley is not a 4-3 LB. Smith is not a 4-3 DE. Niether is Keisel, or Keirscke who just got a new 2 year deal. WE DO NOT HAVE THE PERSONEL TO RUN THE 4-3 ON A FULL TIME BASIS! We've made no attempt to draft the needed personel needed for a 4-3. This team is a 3-4 team. Lebeau runs a 3-4 defense. Bottom line, end of story.

Next, Justin Smith would be a perfect fit in 3-4 as a DE. Big & strong with a high motor. However, what do you with Keisel? I suppose seeing as though he lead the team in QB pressures last season he could be moved to OLB, but then who sits, Woodley or Harrison? One solution would be to cut the ageing James Farrior, and move Harrison to ILB. Then you could slide Keisel to OLB ala Mike Vrabel. Your LB corp would then look like this: Woodley-Timmons-Harrison-Keisel with Kriewaldt & Foote as the back ups At ILB with A.Harrison & Frazier at the backups at OLB. This would insure that we have our best players on the field at once.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-20-2008, 08:13 AM
I'm not saying that Smith has always been a bum. I just haven't seen him do much for a few years. It's sad to say but I do watch a lot of Bengals games, in hopes that they lose, and Smith just plays OLD anymore. I agree that he is probably the best defensive player that the Bengals have but, is that saying a mouth full?


:sofunny:...Agreed!!!

Dino 6 Rings
02-20-2008, 11:54 AM
Don't bet on either happening we all know now and even stated the Steelers or should i say Rooney's will more than likely not take free agents and it will be a desperate move if made.
Muhammad is too old and is not the same and not worth the money and Smith i do not see coming over and more than likely won't.


I disagree that Muhammad is too old. He'd come cheap, would really be a great asset to younger receivers and is coming from a place that hasn't had a qb in years worth a dang and is a strong player over all. He'd be a great fit at #3 on our roster and would be better than what we currently have at 3. Word about the guy is that he does pay attention to younger talent on a team and does encourage and teach as much as he does anything else. Wilson for me, hasn't done a thing for 2 years. Holmes and Ward are fantastic, we just need that really good #3. For cheap money, Muhammad could be that guy.

k7brown
02-20-2008, 12:08 PM
I disagree that Muhammad is too old. He'd come cheap, would really be a great asset to younger receivers and is coming from a place that hasn't had a qb in years worth a dang and is a strong player over all. He'd be a great fit at #3 on our roster and would be better than what we currently have at 3. Word about the guy is that he does pay attention to younger talent on a team and does encourage and teach as much as he does anything else. Wilson for me, hasn't done a thing for 2 years. Holmes and Ward are fantastic, we just need that really good #3. For cheap money, Muhammad could be that guy.

I agree.... those are my thoughts exactly.

PalmerSteel
02-20-2008, 12:15 PM
IF we could could muhammad cheap, then i say we get him (smith will defintaely get overpaid somewhere). he's taller, brings experience, seems pretty professional and knows his days are numbered on getting a ring so he might take a discount because almost guarentee someone will offer him more money than the steelers would. depends who that is and what he wants more. better chance at a championship or more money.

steel65
02-20-2008, 12:20 PM
Have faith in the draft look at the young stud linebackers they drafted last year I think they will address the ol first then secondary next then wR in middle of draft they always find a great player in their drafts. hopefully they use FA to help special teams What about Lito Sheppard philly told him to look for a trade.

Dino 6 Rings
02-20-2008, 12:26 PM
IF we could could muhammad cheap, then i say we get him (smith will defintaely get overpaid somewhere). he's taller, brings experience, seems pretty professional and knows his days are numbered on getting a ring so he might take a discount because almost guarentee someone will offer him more money than the steelers would. depends who that is and what he wants more. better chance at a championship or more money.


Wishful thinking, but I'd like to see us take a chance, that isn't too risky and has a really good upside for 2 years or so. Nothing long term, 2-3 year deal on the cheap, with some bonus money if we get to the SB. We have a lot of good core players and are close to being "there" and with the Pats being lambasted, a lot of FAs will be avoiding them, especially since their SB meltdown. The Pats Mistique is tarnished. That benefits a good solid, playoff team like the Steelers. I hope the Chargers don't jump at Muhsa, he'd really help their passing game, and they are only "just missing" a couple pieces.

brsteelers
02-20-2008, 02:21 PM
I agree with a lot of people here that we'll never pay Justin Smith the kind of money he'll get elsewhere. I'm okay with that, though. He's good but I'm not sold that he's necessarily needed right now.