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lamberts-lost-tooth
02-19-2008, 07:20 AM
Committee plan could signal end of spying
By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
February 18, 2008


While the Spygate scandal continues to be investigated by the NFL, the league's competition committee will again consider a measure that would prevent such an affair from ever recurring.

Members of the committee, including co-chairmen Rich McKay of Atlanta and Jeff Fisher of Tennessee, were scheduled to begin meeting Monday in Indianapolis. Among the measures the committee will consider is a coach-to-player radio system for the defense, eliminating the need for plays to be signaled from the sideline.

This is not the first time the committee will have considered the system. In each of the previous two years, the league recommended the plan to the owners for vote in March, but the measure failed to gain enough support.

However, after the New England Patriots were fined and penalized early in the 2007 season for recording the signals of other teams, the radio system for the defense is expected to pass.

"I'd be surprised if the league didn't pass it after everything we've gone through this year," a league source said. "Let's just get rid of the temptation once and for all."

The radio system would be similar to the coach-to-quarterback radio the offense is currently allowed to use. The hold up in past years is that because the defense doesn't have a quarterback, or any single player to designate in all situations, the belief is that more than one defensive player would have to have a radio headset to make the system work effectively.

Owners were hesitant to allow more than one defender to hear signals at one time. The league believes that it can solve that problem technically.

More important, the league wants to avoid the embarrassment it has suffered in the wake of what happened to New England. The Patriots were caught taping an opposing team's defensive signals in the season opener this season against the New York Jets.

The Patriots were fined $250,000 and lost their first-round pick this year and coach Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 for his part in the violation of league rules.

Earlier this month at the Pro Bowl, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said he felt the penalties imposed on the Patriots would be an adequate deterrent to other teams trying the same thing.

"We sent a very strong message to the rest of the league and I think the reaction we've gotten is that other teams don't want to take that chance," Goodell said.

Meanwhile, the league continues to investigate insinuations that the Patriots may have cheated at least one other time. It has been reported that the Patriots taped a walk-through practice by St. Louis the day before playing the Rams in the 2002 Super Bowl – a claim denied by Belichick and the Patriots Sunday. Furthermore, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh has hinted that he has information about the practices of the Patriots dating to that time.

Walsh's attorney, Michael Levy, told the Associated Press that Walsh has tapes. Levy and the NFL have exchanged proposals that would indemnify Walsh against a possible lawsuit by the Patriots. However, Walsh wants stronger language before coming forward.

fansince'76
02-19-2008, 08:51 AM
While the Spygate scandal continues to be investigated by the NFL....

That's news to me right there - seems to me Specter has been asking questions and Goodell has been stonewalling. What investigating has taken place recently?

rbryan
02-19-2008, 09:25 AM
Committee plan could signal end of spying
By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
February 18, 2008


While the Spygate scandal continues to be investigated by the NFL, the league's competition committee will again consider a measure that would prevent such an affair from ever recurring.

Members of the committee, including co-chairmen Rich McKay of Atlanta and Jeff Fisher of Tennessee, were scheduled to begin meeting Monday in Indianapolis. Among the measures the committee will consider is a coach-to-player radio system for the defense, eliminating the need for plays to be signaled from the sideline.

This is not the first time the committee will have considered the system. In each of the previous two years, the league recommended the plan to the owners for vote in March, but the measure failed to gain enough support.

However, after the New England Patriots were fined and penalized early in the 2007 season for recording the signals of other teams, the radio system for the defense is expected to pass.

"I'd be surprised if the league didn't pass it after everything we've gone through this year," a league source said. "Let's just get rid of the temptation once and for all."

The radio system would be similar to the coach-to-quarterback radio the offense is currently allowed to use. The hold up in past years is that because the defense doesn't have a quarterback, or any single player to designate in all situations, the belief is that more than one defensive player would have to have a radio headset to make the system work effectively.

Owners were hesitant to allow more than one defender to hear signals at one time. The league believes that it can solve that problem technically.

More important, the league wants to avoid the embarrassment it has suffered in the wake of what happened to New England. The Patriots were caught taping an opposing team's defensive signals in the season opener this season against the New York Jets.

The Patriots were fined $250,000 and lost their first-round pick this year and coach Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 for his part in the violation of league rules.

Earlier this month at the Pro Bowl, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said he felt the penalties imposed on the Patriots would be an adequate deterrent to other teams trying the same thing.

"We sent a very strong message to the rest of the league and I think the reaction we've gotten is that other teams don't want to take that chance," Goodell said.

Meanwhile, the league continues to investigate insinuations that the Patriots may have cheated at least one other time. It has been reported that the Patriots taped a walk-through practice by St. Louis the day before playing the Rams in the 2002 Super Bowl – a claim denied by Belichick and the Patriots Sunday. Furthermore, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh has hinted that he has information about the practices of the Patriots dating to that time.

Walsh's attorney, Michael Levy, told the Associated Press that Walsh has tapes. Levy and the NFL have exchanged proposals that would indemnify Walsh against a possible lawsuit by the Patriots. However, Walsh wants stronger language before coming forward.

Kinda like how all the baseball players don't want to take a chance getting caught with steroids/HGH?? What a joke.

The only thing Goodell has proven so far is that if caught you'll get a slap on the wrist. He had the opportunity to send the kind of message that would deter any team from ever trying to cheat again.

The Indiana BB coach is gonna get run out of town for making phone calls to recruits but Bellicheat gets a slap on the wrist and a raise for blatently cheating and making a mockery of the NFL??? Way to go Goodell.

HometownGal
02-19-2008, 09:29 AM
More important, the league wants to avoid the embarrassment it has suffered in the wake of what happened to New England. The Patriots were caught taping an opposing team's defensive signals in the season opener this season against the New York Jets.


Sorry to deflate your woodie, Goodell, but with the limp wrist slaps you put on Beliprick* and Kraft*, YOU embarrassed the entire NFL and its fans.

The Patriots were fined $250,000 and lost their first-round pick this year and coach Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 for his part in the violation of league rules.

Whoopee. :jerkit: A drop in the bucket to Kraft* and Beliprick* and the Pats* still have a first-round pick.

"We sent a very strong message to the rest of the league and I think the reaction we've gotten is that other teams don't want to take that chance," Goodell said.

Want to send a "very strong message" to the rest of the league and particularly the Pats*? Issue Beliprick* a permanent ban from ever coaching again in the NFL and disband the Pats* franchise.

Don't you worry, Goodell - Beliprick* will find a way around those defensive headsets. Once a cheat, always a cheat.

TackleMeBen
02-19-2008, 09:44 AM
The Indiana BB coach is gonna get run out of town for making phone calls to recruits but Bellicheat gets a slap on the wrist and a raise for blatently cheating and making a mockery of the NFL??? Way to go Goodell.

sounds like there is a different standard between college sports and professional sports.

tony hipchest
02-19-2008, 09:45 AM
Don't you worry, Goodell - Beliprick* will find a way around those defensive headsets. Once a cheat, always a cheat.
im sure Vilechick* has already figured out a more effective form of cheating with transmitters in defensive helmets.

how beneficial would it be for his opposition to receive "interference"* on both sides of the ball?

Dino 6 Rings
02-19-2008, 11:23 AM
Great...now I'll get to see that stupid effing green sticker on Defensive Helmets as well...effing great.

polamalu82
02-19-2008, 12:30 PM
I figured this would happen eventually. Especially since the whole spygate crap. If they do pass it you will see a lot more defensive timeouts this year.

verks36
02-19-2008, 12:56 PM
The Indiana BB coach is gonna get run out of town for making phone calls to recruits but Bellicheat gets a slap on the wrist and a raise for blatently cheating and making a mockery of the NFL??? Way to go Goodell.

Ya man that is some stupid stuff how is this Indiana coach getting all this neg stuff by the media when we got bellicheat cheating and espn still loves him

rbryan
02-19-2008, 01:15 PM
I have wondered about that for a long time. I figured thats how the patsies had been cheating before the whole taping the defensive signals came up.

Hopefully someone is putting some serious thought into designing a system that can't be tapped into by the opposing team.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-19-2008, 01:29 PM
Dude. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. All the other team would need to do is use a scanner to figure out which frequency you were using. There was a scandal here in the Bay Area where one team did that to steal offensive signals from their opponents.

Like 10 years ago. In a high school game.

I'm sure Bellichoke would have no problem figuring out a way to do the same.

Actually the military..and even we here at a police dispatch center use a scrambled signal that is descrambled at the reciever ...and can be formatted in about 3 trillion different ways....Since the NFL budget is considerably larger than ours...I'm guessing that the radios would be even more elaborate.

rbryan
02-19-2008, 01:35 PM
Thats good to know, but theres always someone working a new angle and I wouldn't put anything past the patsies.

Watching them the last several years, it sure did look like they knew what was coming on both sides of the ball.

revefsreleets
02-19-2008, 06:20 PM
I don't understand what all this hubbub is about. The Patriots did nothing wrong, and are just, you know, in general a swell bunch of guys that everybody should love and worship as the greatest team of athletes to ever grace the face of the Earth.

< Random Pats Fan >

Godfather
02-19-2008, 09:58 PM
Dude. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. All the other team would need to do is use a scanner to figure out which frequency you were using. There was a scandal here in the Bay Area where one team did that to steal offensive signals from their opponents.

Like 10 years ago. In a high school game.

I'm sure Bellichoke would have no problem figuring out a way to do the same.

Would that even be illegal? Bellycheat* would be surprised to find out it is.

stlrtruck
02-20-2008, 07:57 AM
Shouldn't this read "in the wake of what happened because of the New England Patriot"

Actually this was brought up a few years ago but got shot down. Maybe the committee knew then that the patriots were doing somethign "wrong" but failed to do something about it.

It's my understanding one player on defense would be equivalent to the QB. So why not, let the defense coach call in the plays just like the offensive coach.