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BlastFurnace
02-22-2008, 03:59 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx

fansince'76
02-22-2008, 04:02 PM
Please, God, NO! :banging:

Rossum would've only cost the Steelers $770,000 in 2008, but they have Willie Reid ready to handle punts, if he can stay healthy. It's safe to that say Rossum is no longer the fastest man in the NFL.

I think a guy that isn't a danger to muff every damn punt that comes his way is worth $770 Grand, but I guess that's just me. I also think Reid has amply demonstrated that he CAN'T handle punts. Hell, it was his inability to field punts that brought Rossum to the team to begin with. Hopefully this move won't cost us games like it did in '06 with Colclough.

Dylan
02-22-2008, 04:03 PM
thats a bummer to see Kriewaldt go, he was a solid ST player

Dino 6 Rings
02-22-2008, 04:07 PM
Well putting this in connection with the other story I read about the Steelers "will be taking the best player in the draft and not just addressing position issues"

Dare we draft Felix Jones to be the Return man and 3rd down back?

Oh man, that would be so cool!!!!

WOOOOO PIG SOOOIE!!!

Jeremy
02-22-2008, 04:10 PM
Well putting this in connection with the other story I read about the Steelers "will be taking the best player in the draft and not just addressing position issues"

Dare we draft Felix Jones to be the Return man and 3rd down back?

Oh man, that would be so cool!!!!

WOOOOO PIG SOOOIE!!!

LOL

What do you plan on giving up to move up and get him Dino?

Dino 6 Rings
02-22-2008, 04:14 PM
Not a thing. The draft is HEAVY at RB and since Dallas is behind us, and they want him bad, we can either trade the pick with Dallas and still get a good Olineman or we can just take Jones and put him on our roster and let him return kicks and cover kicks and be a solid 3rd down back to spell Parker.

Dino 6 Rings
02-22-2008, 04:16 PM
That olineman out of Virginia is actually looking pretty good. Watched a quick story on him and apparently, he can play ever position on the O-line.

Not a bad guy for Depth.

The Duke
02-22-2008, 04:21 PM
:cheer: finally Kriewaldt is gone! this guy was a waste imo, he's made his share of good plays in the past, but until recently he's been a roster spot waste

without Tuman I guess dekker and boyd will fight for the 3rd TE spot for Arians 3 TE sets, I really doubt they draft a TE even in the 7th round when we they a large collection on the roster already

Rossum.........he was a great guy, he loves the burgh and had always been his dream to play here, but yeah, he's not the "fastest man in the nfl" anymore. thanks for the 49ers TD return though :tt02:

however I thank each of them for being part of the black an gold

that said........bring on the younger players :tt02:

Steeldude
02-22-2008, 04:22 PM
that gives the steelers $2.9 mil more to work with. it leaves $566,667 in dead cap money.

they need to restructure ward's contract. he is a $6.7 mil hit this year. that's a little high, IMO.

Glace
02-22-2008, 04:57 PM
I liked Rossum. Had we had a better ST unit, I think his production would have increased.

However in this day and age in the NFL, we need multi-talented guys that can be the return man and also be productive in another position on the field.

ST specialists are a waste in my opinion.

polamalu82
02-22-2008, 05:01 PM
Not a thing. The draft is HEAVY at RB and since Dallas is behind us, and they want him bad, we can either trade the pick with Dallas and still get a good Olineman or we can just take Jones and put him on our roster and let him return kicks and cover kicks and be a solid 3rd down back to spell Parker.

Maybe I'm not reading your post right, but Dallas has the Browns pick. That would put them 1 pick before us.

Atlanta Dan
02-22-2008, 05:27 PM
Rossum had lost his burst, Tuman's back apparently was a concern, and Kriewaldt never showed me much.

Tomlin is going to take some age off this team where possible. I agree a rework of Ward's contract should be in the cards, since the OL decisions over the years are going to result in Starks getting a boatload of $$ in at least 2008 now ; if Hines digs in that could get ugly.

Edman
02-22-2008, 05:48 PM
Why Cut Rossum?

Reid is Garbage. In his lone Punt Return this year against the Ratbirds, he fumbled, giving Craptimore a very short field, thus taking the early lead.

jjpro11
02-22-2008, 05:51 PM
if rossum is out then i want wilson returning punts.. he's never muffed or fumbled a punt since he's got here and you can just tell from watching him that he knows how to catch and return punts. he's not going to panic back there like holmes and reid have in the past.

Jeremy
02-22-2008, 05:53 PM
Why Cut Rossum?

Reid is Garbage. In his lone Punt Return this year against the Ratbirds, he fumbled, giving Craptimore a very short field, thus taking the early lead.

Because Rossum is 106 years old.

19ward86
02-22-2008, 06:27 PM
but....but...but....rossum and kriewaldt did so much for us! i think tuman will get a job somewhere.

Jeremy
02-22-2008, 06:34 PM
but....but...but....rossum and kriewaldt did so much for us! i think tuman will get a job somewhere.

Tuman was screwed the second they drafted Spaeth.

TeeJay
02-22-2008, 07:28 PM
Wish I hadn't just watched the Super Bowl Champions XL DVD again.

Randle EL...not a bad returner.........

paw-n-maul-u
02-22-2008, 07:29 PM
Why will no one give willie reid a chance. He missed his whole rookie campaign due to injury, basically last year was his rookie season.

I think we need to give him another chance. He made a couple nice catches here or there for us, and you can't deny his speed and quickness.

He's second in florida state to only Deon Sanders, one of the nastiest return men of all time. ... on that alone he gets a second chance.

TeeJay
02-22-2008, 07:29 PM
Wish I hadn't just watched the Super Bowl Champions XL DVD again.

Randle EL...not a bad returner.........:wink02:

or back up QB!!

Atlanta Dan
02-22-2008, 08:13 PM
Why will no one give willie reid a chance. He missed his whole rookie campaign due to injury, basically last year was his rookie season.

I think we need to give him another chance. He made a couple nice catches here or there for us, and you can't deny his speed and quickness.

He's second in florida state to only Deon Sanders, one of the nastiest return men of all time. ... on that alone he gets a second chance.

After he dropped the return job that was gift wrapped for him in preseason Reid got his second chance in the Ravens game and literally fumbled it away again

Elvis
02-22-2008, 08:27 PM
but....but...but....rossum and kriewaldt did so much for us! i think tuman will get a job somewhere.
It may just be me, but I dont remember Kriewaldt in on that many plays on a bad coverage team. Maybe it all wasnt him I'm sure, but someone had to go and I DONT understand the release of Rossum though, he may not have been Deion Sanders, but atleast the man gives you the security of knowing that he will catch the ball and wont turn the ball over, I would like for the Steelers to resign him somehow. I think that maybe someone on the special teams staff should have been shown the door.

BlastFurnace
02-22-2008, 08:34 PM
Why will no one give willie reid a chance. He missed his whole rookie campaign due to injury, basically last year was his rookie season.

I think we need to give him another chance. He made a couple nice catches here or there for us, and you can't deny his speed and quickness.

He's second in florida state to only Deon Sanders, one of the nastiest return men of all time. ... on that alone he gets a second chance.

Willie looked slow, unevasive, and had no type of burst whenever he was on a return. Not to mention, he had the worst hands back there since Colclough. Reid may end up being a decent receiver, but he showed that he is not an NFL caliber returner.

Rhee Rhee
02-22-2008, 09:25 PM
we had to move on and i'm glad we did it... VERY LONG overdue....

now i say we replace them with J Leman, davone bess and brad listorti...

OneForTheToe
02-23-2008, 01:18 AM
Just because they were released doesn't mean they won't be back. If the special teams underperform in the preseason, I could easily see Kriewaldt back for league minimum for his years of service.

Crushzilla
02-23-2008, 01:42 AM
I'm not surprised.

We had to open up a TE spot so we can draft one. :sofunny:

Actually, Tuman is the only one I'm sad to see go, but if his back is a real concern, which it seems to be, I can't complain. Plus, and I've been preaching this forever, Spaeth comes from a run first offense at Minnesota. I can't help but think he can be a solid run-block TE. Not to mention he has Tuman beat in height, hands, and age.

I am kind of bummed that we will be taking one less rookie this year because of a guy who's not even on the roster anymore.

Oh well...

Bring on the freaking draft already... (Spoken like a true Steelers fan to breeze over Free Agency :sofunny:

paw-n-maul-u
02-23-2008, 03:20 AM
After he dropped the return job that was gift wrapped for him in preseason Reid got his second chance in the Ravens game and literally fumbled it away again

wow, what an attitude. Did you even read my post? I said Reid was basically on his rookie season. How about we let the kid work out the kinks?

Interestingly, someone agrees with me, given the release of rossum (who we traded a draft pick for). Maybe Reid finally got his sh*t together this offseason.

If we can tender Max Starks 6.9 million after losing his job, we can surely give the STILL UNDER CHEAP ROOKIE CONTRACT willie reid a second chance.

He was extremely raw outta FSU, missed his rookie year, dropped a couple punts and now we crucify him. Steeler fans are awesome.

paw-n-maul-u
02-23-2008, 03:26 AM
we traded up to get Troy P ... sucked so bad his rookie year.

we traded up to get Holmes ... Holy recap i dont even want to get into what was said about him.

A. Smith wowed everyone with a big youtube hit on TJ housh, and people start drinkin his koolaid.

Steeler fans, how about we atleast wait till preseason to make judgements. He will surely be a lot more involved, given that this a make or break year for him.

Galax Steeler
02-23-2008, 05:36 AM
They may be trying to work in jeremy bloom remember we signed him they may make him our returner.

Hapa
02-23-2008, 06:27 AM
Well putting this in connection with the other story I read about the Steelers "will be taking the best player in the draft and not just addressing position issues"

Dare we draft Felix Jones to be the Return man and 3rd down back?

Oh man, that would be so cool!!!!

WOOOOO PIG SOOOIE!!!

But even if we have a real nice 3DBack, without a good O Line, he's not going anywhere. (and neither is Roethlisberger's pass)

Atlanta Dan
02-23-2008, 07:29 AM
wow, what an attitude. Did you even read my post? I said Reid was basically on his rookie season. How about we let the kid work out the kinks?

Interestingly, someone agrees with me, given the release of rossum (who we traded a draft pick for). Maybe Reid finally got his sh*t together this offseason.

If we can tender Max Starks 6.9 million after losing his job, we can surely give the STILL UNDER CHEAP ROOKIE CONTRACT willie reid a second chance.

He was extremely raw outta FSU, missed his rookie year, dropped a couple punts and now we crucify him. Steeler fans are awesome.

I read your post and responded with facts that reflect Reid was given a second chance and blew it - look in the mirror if you want to see someone with an attitude

As far as crucifixion metaphors go, IMO observing I would not trust Reid to carry anything breakable is not quite a crucifixion

stillers4me
02-23-2008, 08:55 AM
I read your post and responded with facts that reflect Reid was given a second chance and blew it - look in the mirror if you want to see someone with an attitude

As far as crucifixion metaphors go, IMO observing I would not trust Reid to carry anything breakable is not quite a crucifixion

I gotta TOTALLY agree with that!

They better have some big plans for replacing Rossum with a super stud........this makes me really nervous. Willie Reid is NOT the answer. :dang:

Why is Willie still wearing black and gold at this point anyway?

lilyoder6
02-23-2008, 09:14 AM
i wasn't suprised by the cuts of tuman and clint b/c they are both old and they have good players in front of them... rossum did suprise me b/c i thought he did alright for us and we did trade a 6th rd draft pick... odd scenerio that we cut him but i hope reid did get his shit in order and shows the staff what he can do at returning punts and ko's...

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-23-2008, 09:35 AM
Here are some return specialists that can also play corner. They should be available on the second day.

Jack Ikegwuonu Height: 6-1. Weight: 201. 40 Time: 4.38. ....in back-to-back weeks, he shut down James Hardy and Mario Manningham. BUT was arrested for stealing an X-box from an apartment.

Justin Tryon, Arizona State Height: 5-10. Weight: 180. 40 Time: 4.38....Super 40 time...will play in nickel and sub-packages....

Nile Legania, Wayne State Height: 5-10. Weight: 185. 40 Time: 4.24....One of the fastest players in this draft...NOONE is going to outrun him....


Wide Recievers who could be Return specialists...also possibly available on the second day.

Taj Smith, Syracuse Height: 6-1. Weight: 188. 40 Time: 4.37.
Had 173 yards and 2 TD's against Louisville....has potential.

Sammie Stroughter, Oregon State Height: 5-11. Weight: 185. 40 Time: 4.43.
Some thing he will run in the 4.3 range at the combine....explosive.

Jayson Foster, Georgia Southern Height: 5-10. Weight: 164. 40 Time: 4.28.
1,844 rushing yards, 1,203 passing yards, 30 touchdowns.... However, he may not have the size to play a skill position in the NFL. A team will draft him as a return specialist.

The Duke
02-23-2008, 10:31 AM
Why is Willie still wearing black and gold at this point anyway?

I would say because he is still a 3rd round draft pick(normally, you just don't cut this guys so soon), and he has "potential"

but if he doesn't show his"potential" soon I say just kick him outta the door :buttkick:

They may be trying to work in jeremy bloom remember we signed him they may make him our returner.

that could be it, and they signed him for cheap so he's perfect for the rooney's system :rolleyes:

DACEB
02-23-2008, 12:25 PM
Reid will be given another oppurtunity in training camp and then my money is on him being released.

We're absolutely making a youth movement and speed movement.

aclark99
02-23-2008, 03:41 PM
Rossum was a wasted pick-up. We lost a 7th Rd pick for him and we aren't even going to keep him on the roster. I know he is older but he needs a Steeler off-season to show what he can do. He came to the Steelers at the end of training camp and not to mention our special teame blew last year. Not a good decision unless it was strictly a cap move.

tony hipchest
02-23-2008, 04:37 PM
heres why this move was made.

rossum and clint get atleast vet minimum approx. $800,000 and have no realistic shot to be a starter. them along with tuman are special teamers. they rob players such as james harrison, willie parker, nate washington, of a roster spot, who can play special teams at more than half the price and actually have a shot to develop into something more.

not only does it help the youth movement but 1 player at vet minimum = almost 3 udfa's. green bay is a perfect example of this youth movement and making way for udfa's not setting teams back.

Rhee Rhee
02-23-2008, 04:43 PM
Here are some return specialists that can also play corner. They should be available on the second day.

Jack Ikegwuonu Height: 6-1. Weight: 201. 40 Time: 4.38. ....in back-to-back weeks, he shut down James Hardy and Mario Manningham. BUT was arrested for stealing an X-box from an apartment.

Justin Tryon, Arizona State Height: 5-10. Weight: 180. 40 Time: 4.38....Super 40 time...will play in nickel and sub-packages....

Nile Legania, Wayne State Height: 5-10. Weight: 185. 40 Time: 4.24....One of the fastest players in this draft...NOONE is going to outrun him....


Wide Recievers who could be Return specialists...also possibly available on the second day.

Taj Smith, Syracuse Height: 6-1. Weight: 188. 40 Time: 4.37.
Had 173 yards and 2 TD's against Louisville....has potential.

Sammie Stroughter, Oregon State Height: 5-11. Weight: 185. 40 Time: 4.43.
Some thing he will run in the 4.3 range at the combine....explosive.

Jayson Foster, Georgia Southern Height: 5-10. Weight: 164. 40 Time: 4.28.
1,844 rushing yards, 1,203 passing yards, 30 touchdowns.... However, he may not have the size to play a skill position in the NFL. A team will draft him as a return specialist.

davone bess i'm looking at is a second day pick... he returned punts for UH all year and i'm sure he can try kick returning...

Preacher
02-23-2008, 04:57 PM
heres why this move was made.

rossum and clint get atleast vet minimum approx. $800,000 and have no realistic shot to be a starter. them along with tuman are special teamers. they rob players such as james harrison, willie parker, nate washington, of a roster spot, who can play special teams at more than half the price and actually have a shot to develop into something more.

not only does it help the youth movement but 1 player at vet minimum = almost 3 udfa's. green bay is a perfect example of this youth movement and making way for udfa's not setting teams back.

AND.....

Isn't it about time for Roster bonuses? I wonder if his contract with the Falcons included a Roster bonus that we are not willing to pay. Thus, we let him go, and pick him back up in a few months just coming into camp.

I really don't mind him sitting on our team. Hey, the guy knows the rules, the game, and has sure hands. I don't care if he runs a 6.9 in the forty... He doesn't DROP THE BALL.

tony hipchest
02-23-2008, 05:03 PM
AND.....

Isn't it about time for Roster bonuses? I wonder if his contract with the Falcons included a Roster bonus that we are not willing to pay. Thus, we let him go, and pick him back up in a few months just coming into camp.

I really don't mind him sitting on our team. Hey, the guy knows the rules, the game, and has sure hands. I don't care if he runs a 6.9 in the forty... He doesn't DROP THE BALL.i dont think theres any roster bonuses involved.

if we just need somebody who doesnt drop the ball, then we better not be paying them more than half a mil. otherwise, if were paying a special teamer more than vet minimum, they better be able to atleast upgrade to offense or defense in a pinch.

the thought process here is to go with cheaper players with a hell of alot more upside. the risk is losing some special teams experience. as bad as our special teams sucked, id rather take that risk and open up some more cap room for a solid pick up or 2.

BlastFurnace
02-23-2008, 05:15 PM
Guaranteed that the first fumble we see on special teams next season that the Alan Rossum calls will come calling...and for good reason. I don't care if he is on top of the league in returns. I just want to retain posession when the ball is kicked to us. Willie Reed is not the answer and I don't want to risk Holmes back there. I wonder if Jeremy Bloom has shown them something or perhaps they are just going to put Davenport in for kickoffs.

BlastFurnace
02-23-2008, 05:17 PM
Rossum was a wasted pick-up. We lost a 7th Rd pick for him and we aren't even going to keep him on the roster. I know he is older but he needs a Steeler off-season to show what he can do. He came to the Steelers at the end of training camp and not to mention our special teame blew last year. Not a good decision unless it was strictly a cap move.

With the Steelers track record for 2nd day drafts recently, any 5th - 7th round pick will not make the team anyway.

tony hipchest
02-23-2008, 05:22 PM
I wonder if Jeremy Bloom has shown them something or perhaps they are just going to put Davenport in for kickoffs.great point. i totally forgot about us getting jeremy bloom. i doubt theyve seen anything besides what hes shown on film (not much) but hes a cheaper option (although with limited uspside of becoming a starter). im sure he can catch the ball.

hands are hands, and if they got em, we should be able to expect somebody making a quarter of a mil/year to know how to use them.

Preacher
02-23-2008, 05:26 PM
great point. i totally forgot about us getting jeremy bloom. i doubt theyve seen anything besides what hes shown on film (not much) but hes a cheaper option (although with limited uspside of becoming a starter). im sure he can catch the ball.

hands are hands, and if they got em, we should be able to expect somebody making a quarter of a mil/year to know how to use them.

Your not alone, I completely forgot about him as well.

Question is, why are we opening up all this cap room if we are not going to do a lot of moving? :tap:

We already have the cap room for Ben. Faneca is already as good as gone... So what's up?

BozMan
02-23-2008, 05:54 PM
We need to demand more out of our return men that simply being able to catch the ball. Obviously, catching the ball and getting a 2 yd return is way better than fumbling it back to the other team. But, especially in close games, we need someone who can catch the ball AND shorten the field. Otherwise, we are going to find ourselves at a competitive disadvantage.

I did like the 3 TE sets that we were using early in the season with Miller, Spaeth, and Tuman all healthy. I wonder if Arians will continue that philosophy and seek a third TE for the long run.

paw-n-maul-u
02-24-2008, 02:03 AM
I would love to see Eddie Royal returning for us in the black and gold.

Here's a draft that would be awesome.

Jeff Otah
Brandon Flowers
Eddie Royal
Kevin Smith

Galax Steeler
02-24-2008, 07:30 AM
I really don't see flowers in black and gold from what I have heard he could be a distraction to the team.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-24-2008, 07:50 AM
davone bess i'm looking at is a second day pick... he returned punts for UH all year and i'm sure he can try kick returning...

If Bess times better than he has done in the past he will be a good possibility...but the last time I see for him is 4.51.

I know 40 times can be decieving by if there is any position that demands speed more than any other its return specialist.

lilyoder6
02-24-2008, 10:53 AM
i think eddie royal would be a great addition to the team... great returner and could be put into the slot pos as the underneath routes...

Jeremy
02-24-2008, 10:56 AM
i think eddie royal would be a great addition to the team... great returner and could be put into the slot pos as the underneath routes...

I'd be shocked if the Steelers draft a bad character guy like Royal.

paw-n-maul-u
02-24-2008, 01:09 PM
bad character? ive seen about ten different posts from you making accusations about this player or that player, and I think you don't know at all what you are talking about.

Royal we fix our return problems right away. He's 5'10, 175, and can bench FOUR HUNDRED POUNDS. are you serious?!?!?!? I don't know if any of you lift weights, but that is absolutely incredible. at the very least it shows a ridiculous dedication to work ethic because you don't dick around and be able to put up that much.

Jeremy
02-24-2008, 01:15 PM
bad character? ive seen about ten different posts from you making accusations about this player or that player, and I think you don't know at all what you are talking about.

Royal we fix our return problems right away. He's 5'10, 175, and can bench FOUR HUNDRED POUNDS. are you serious?!?!?!? I don't know if any of you lift weights, but that is absolutely incredible. at the very least it shows a ridiculous dedication to work ethic because you don't dick around and be able to put up that much.

Antoine Cason does the same thing and would step in as no worse than the nickel corner on the defense as opposed to a guy who would be picked o basically be the Steelers' version of Dante Hall. It's just not a good value considering the roster.

cubanstogie
02-24-2008, 03:24 PM
I hope I am wrong with Reid, but I don't see him improving that much. I think returning kicks is instinct and can't be taught like other positions. You have it or you don't. I have not see him do anything. The only excitement he brings is whether he will hang on to the ball. The special teams is in need of more than just a return guy. Return coverage was pathetic last year. Only area worse last year was O-line. I didn't have a problem with Rossum last year, you atleast knew we would take possession of the ball. But he obviously has lost a step and the home run threat wasn't there. I am tired of holding my breath during kick coverage, I hope something changes next year from the previous few.

lilyoder6
02-24-2008, 03:29 PM
royal can come in and be a number 4 wr if he works hard enough.. even when we go no back he could be the number 5 guy... and we know royal is strong..

BlastFurnace
02-24-2008, 03:33 PM
Rossum just signed with San Francisco per NFL Network scroll.

TackleMeBen
02-24-2008, 03:39 PM
Rossum just signed with San Francisco per NFL Network scroll.

wow. it didnt take him long to find a new team. so much for us trying to get him back i guess..lol

Jeremy
02-24-2008, 03:51 PM
royal can come in and be a number 4 wr if he works hard enough.. even when we go no back he could be the number 5 guy... and we know royal is strong..

But we can get a better value pick. I just don't see the logic in drafting a #5 receiver when there are other needs on the club.

The Duke
02-24-2008, 04:35 PM
Rossum just signed with San Francisco per NFL Network scroll.

guess they were impressed with his best play of the season, the TD return he had against them :flap:

good luck to him though :cheers:, he seems like a great guy, and will not cause you turnovers :dang:

paw-n-maul-u
02-24-2008, 04:55 PM
Jeremy, THAT i do agree with. You could have just said that you get better value, than bad character, which u still didnt address.

If we go for a corner I want someone who is going to make some interceptions. We need a ballhawker in our secondary. And with the way teams are passing nowadays, its important to have three very good corners.

I'd rather have Brandon Flowers than Cason, or Talib.

polamalu82
02-24-2008, 06:44 PM
Jeremy, THAT i do agree with. You could have just said that you get better value, than bad character, which u still didnt address.

If we go for a corner I want someone who is going to make some interceptions. We need a ballhawker in our secondary. And with the way teams are passing nowadays, its important to have three very good corners.

I'd rather have Brandon Flowers than Cason, or Talib.

If you want a ball hawking corner then Dominique Rogers-Cromartie would fit the bill. He has excellent ball skills like his cousin Antonio. He's also 6'1". I doubt he'll be available though.

Jeremy
02-24-2008, 07:55 PM
Jeremy, THAT i do agree with. You could have just said that you get better value, than bad character, which u still didnt address.

If we go for a corner I want someone who is going to make some interceptions. We need a ballhawker in our secondary. And with the way teams are passing nowadays, its important to have three very good corners.

I'd rather have Brandon Flowers than Cason, or Talib.

Cason is a high value pick because not only would be slide right in to the starting lineup as either the second or third corner, but he's also one of best return men in the game. He's has the potential to be a Devin Hester like game changer, and that's not exaggerating.

GBMelBlount
02-24-2008, 09:14 PM
Cubanstogie

I hope I am wrong with Reid, but I don't see him improving that much. I think returning kicks is instinct and can't be taught like other positions. You have it or you don't.

Remember, he had the 2nd most return yards in Florida history behind Sanders. He had the most return yards in one season (I believe), and didn't he set a record with 180 return yards in the bowl game? Plus he's fast as hell. So I thought he had the "instinct." Unfortunately, college doesn't alway translate to the NFL. Personally, I'd like to give him one more shot.

The special teams is in need of more than just a return guy. Return coverage was pathetic last year. Only area worse last year was O-line.

The special teams is as bad as our O-line IMO. That is why if all the numerous first round grade lineman they are interested in are gone, I hope they consider a best available that is a special teams stud.

Preacher
02-24-2008, 09:50 PM
Remember, he had the 2nd most return yards in Florida history behind Sanders. He had the most return yards in one season (I believe), and didn't he set a record with 180 return yards in the bowl game? Plus he's fast as hell. So I thought he had the "instinct." Unfortunately, college doesn't alway translate to the NFL. Personally, I'd like to give him one more shot.



The special teams is as bad as our O-line IMO. That is why if all the numerous first round grade lineman they are interested in are gone, I hope they consider a best available that is a special teams stud.

I am not sure I agree.

I think our offensive line hurt us in the long run more then our ST's did. A lot of drive stopping sacks and runs that got shut down in the backfield.

And for those who will blame willie for that (not you GB), when you get met in the BACKFIELD... the problem isn't your running back.

lilyoder6
02-24-2008, 10:07 PM
devin hester has a own speed class of his own.. he might be as good as hester but he won't be near as quick and fast as hester... Cromartie would be a nice fit for us.. with mcfadden becoming smarter could have a good secondary

Steeldude
02-25-2008, 04:08 AM
with mcfadden becoming smarter could have a good secondary


that's if mcfadden finally shows some signs of being a starter. so far he hasn't done much in the times he has been on the field. IMO, he is just a benchwarmer. i think gay will surpass him by mid-year on the depth chart.

drew102e
02-26-2008, 08:55 AM
forgot about bloom, he might pan out

faneca05
02-26-2008, 09:31 PM
Does anyone eles think we should've kept rossum until we knew we had a suitable replacement?

NJarhead
02-26-2008, 09:49 PM
Bummer. I liked Rossum. I wonder how much it would have saved if we cut Reid instead. I'd have to say he was the less productive/reliable/healthy one.

ajs8207
02-26-2008, 11:07 PM
What did Rossum do to make all of you like him? I understand hes not Willie Reid...but thats like saying hey Charlie Batch is a good starting QB cuz otherwise we would be starting Brian St. Pierre. What did Rossum do other than return that one vs. San Fran?

The Duke
02-26-2008, 11:58 PM
What did Rossum do to make all of you like him? I understand hes not Willie Reid...but thats like saying hey Charlie Batch is a good starting QB cuz otherwise we would be starting Brian St. Pierre. What did Rossum do other than return that one vs. San Fran?

he didn't turn the ball over!

that's all I wanted in him, and he did a great job. the return against the 49ers I don't care about, we would have won that game anyway

first return willie reid has he fumbles it :dang: , and I'm scared that could be the future for the steelers

steelwolf21
02-27-2008, 07:14 AM
Didn't know that Steelers signed Bloom, that's fairly cool, I liked him alot going into the draft and was happy Philly picked him up. Its sad he didn't work out there, but he had to get back to football shape and was battling a bad hamstring so its understandable. I think he could be a really good returner now that' he's injury free, and relatively back in shape and in a football frame of mind. Between him and Willie Reid and perhaps a late rookie we should get enough competition to generate at least an average return game, or so I hope! That's the one thing I can't understand though, Reid was amazing at college, and then he comes to the NFL and can't catch??? Yeah the games faster he's nervous etc. But fielding a punts fielding a punt, call fair catch if you think they're too close, but for God sakes how much difference is there in holding onto a college ball in front of their screaming fans than it is holding onto a NFL ball in front of ours??

lilyoder6
02-27-2008, 10:02 AM
i don't think bloom not being in shape was a huge factor for him getting cut from the philly's.. i mean he did play ball for 2 yrs since he was in the winter olympics, that was prob the big thing of him not playing.. those skier's are in great shape..

OneForTheToe
02-27-2008, 10:49 AM
i don't think bloom not being in shape was a huge factor for him getting cut from the philly's.. i mean he did play ball for 2 yrs since he was in the winter olympics, that was prob the big thing of him not playing.. those skier's are in great shape..


True, but I think they often have bad knees.

BlastFurnace
02-27-2008, 01:20 PM
Kendrell Bell was just released by the Chiefs. How long until we get a thread about him.

Jeremy
02-27-2008, 01:23 PM
he didn't turn the ball over!

that's all I wanted in him, and he did a great job. the return against the 49ers I don't care about, we would have won that game anyway

first return willie reid has he fumbles it :dang: , and I'm scared that could be the future for the steelers

Reid may not be the answer, but neither was Rossum. He was an old player and was only a stop gap. Ignore what the media is saying about Reid and Davenport and the other options. I'm be willing to bet that one of the Steelers' picks this draft will be on a guy who can return kick. It may not be a true kick returner, but it will be a guy who knows how to return kicks.

Preacher
02-27-2008, 01:31 PM
Kendrell Bell was just released by the Chiefs. How long until we get a thread about him.

As a backup? you better believe I would take him back... though at league minimum, or just a little above.

Jeremy
02-27-2008, 01:33 PM
As a backup? you better believe I would take him back... though at league minimum, or just a little above.

For a one year deal.....I would too.

Preacher
02-27-2008, 01:43 PM
For a one year deal.....I would too.

Heck... I would give him a three year deal at a bit above league minimum. (just A LITTLE BIT with a low signing bonus... maybe a million over three years).

That way, if he was able to break back into the line up... at ILB, we would have him for a second year to make sure it isn't just a freak happening... and at 3 yeras, he will be 31 and coming close to time to be released.

it's worth a shot... heck, he has to be better than Andre Frazier Marquis Cooper or Arnold Harrison... doesn't he?

Jeremy
02-27-2008, 01:45 PM
Heck... I would give him a three year deal at a bit above league minimum. (just A LITTLE BIT with a low signing bonus... maybe a million over three years).

That way, if he was able to break back into the line up... at ILB, we would have him for a second year to make sure it isn't just a freak happening... and at 3 yeras, he will be 31 and coming close to time to be released.

it's worth a shot... heck, he has to be better than Andre Frazier Marquis Cooper or Arnold Harrison... doesn't he?

Plus Farrior is right as his tipping point with regard to injury and age. Bell is a nice insurance policy.

lilyoder6
02-27-2008, 02:21 PM
it would be nice to see him come back at a low salary, he could come onto the st area and make some good plays

LVSteelersfan
02-27-2008, 02:40 PM
Reid is a bust. Get over him. I wish they would just trade him to some other team for a decent player so we can get some value from his pick. He will never be a decent returner, PERIOD. You either have the instinct for it or you DON'T. He DOESN'T. Rossum was ok but that was about it. You could never expect him to pick up any yards, just catch the ball. Of course, our ST in front of him sucked which didn't help. Most returners have a bunch of 20+ yard returns over the course of a season. The only one I remember Rossum having was the TD return. We need more than that in a field position game.

rbryan
02-27-2008, 03:26 PM
Reid has the instincts to return kicks, just watch his highlight reel from college.

I think his problem is the fear factor involved with stepping up to the next level. He could run away from the majority of the cover team in college, but not here. This is his make or break year IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make it out of TC and I seriously doubt we could get much of anything for him in a trade right now.

The Duke
02-27-2008, 03:40 PM
Reid has the instincts to return kicks, just watch his highlight reel from college.

I think his problem is the fear factor involved with stepping up to the next level. He could run away from the majority of the cover team in college, but not here. This is his make or break year IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make it out of TC and I seriously doubt we could get much of anything for him in a trade right now.

yeah, college

he hasn't show any of that in the NFL, and until he shows it he has no instincts and no skills imo

rbryan
02-27-2008, 03:45 PM
F'n Seminoles. When will we learn? lol

BlastFurnace
02-27-2008, 05:06 PM
So much for Dwight Smith coming to Pittsburgh. He has signed with Detroit per www.rotoworld.com for 2 years / $5 Million. We must not have been that impressed with him not to offer him something better than that.

lilyoder6
02-27-2008, 08:28 PM
i think reid just needs to set his mind straight and realize that this is prob gonna be the last chance he gets with the steelers

steelpride12
03-02-2008, 11:26 AM
Umm i truly liked Rossum as a Steeler and think he had a few more years of productivity left in him.
Surprised by the release def. after his sweet KO return of a TD last season and his average of the 30 YD. line on KOR.
Kriedwalt was ok at certain points, but no less a def. leader even as a back-up.