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TroysBadDawg
02-23-2008, 02:13 PM
I just received this and thought I would share it. If you don't like it don't read it.

REVEILLE! And The Truth Is Not In Him.....

Say What, Barrack?

By Paul R. Hollrah


Tuning in to C-Span recently, I found myself listening to a speech by Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, Jr. He was standing in the pulpit of a black church in Selma, Alabama, and as I studied the body language of the dozen or so black ministers standing behind the senator, I couldn't help but be reminded of the little head-bobbing dolls that people used to place in the rear windows of their 1957 Chevrolets. If their reactions are any indication, the new "Schlickmeister" of the Democrat Party is actually a pretty accomplished public speaker.

However, as he spoke, I found my bullcrap alarm going off, repeatedly. But I couldn't quite figure out why until I actually read excerpts of his speech several days later. Here's part of what he said:

"...something happened back here in Selma, Alabama. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called, "ripples of hope all around the world." Something happened when a bunch of women decided they were going to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry, looking after somebody else's children.

"When (black) men who had PhD's decided 'that's enough' and 'we're going to stand up for our dignity,' that sent a shout across oceans so that my grandfather began to imagine something different for his son. His son, who grew up herding goats in a small village in Africa could suddenly set his sights a little higher and believe that maybe a black man in this world had a chance.

"So the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an airlift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

"This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great- grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that, (in) the world as it has been, it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. Was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama."

Okay, so what's wrong with that? It all sounds good. But is it?

Obama told his audience that, because some folks had the courage to "march across a bridge" in Selma, Alabama, his mother, a white woman from Kansas, and his father, a black Muslim from Africa, took heart. It gave them the courage to get married and have a child. The problem with that characterization is that Barrack Obama, Jr., was born on August 4, 1961, while the first of three marches across that bridge in Selma didn't occur until March 7, 1965, at least five years after Obama's parents met.

As noted, Obama went on to tell his audience that the Kennedys, Jack and Bobby, decided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barrack Obama, Sr., to America.

The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November 1960. So if this African grandfather heard words that ''sent a shout across oceans,'' inspiring him to send his goat-herder son to America, it was not a Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, nor his brother Bobby, it was a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Obama's speech is reminiscent of Al Gore's claim of having invented the Internet, Hillary Clinton's claim of having been named after the first man to climb Mt. Everest, even though she was born five years and seven months before Sir Edmund climbed the mountain, and John Kerry's imaginary trip to Cambodia.

As one of my black friends, Eddie Huff, has said, "We need to ask some very serious questions of the senator from Illinois. It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, and it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye, will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince."

We can only hope that there are enough smart, thinking, perceptive voters who will speak up and ask critical questions about this guy's VERY SLICK, intricately woven tapestry of lies.

Mosca
02-23-2008, 02:38 PM
Shrug. He's a politician. If he wasn't a liar, he'd be doing something else. That's hardly anything for Hollrah to be calling him out for.

Further inquiry brought me to this:

Paul Hollrah is a fairly prolific writer of on-line political commetary with a seemingly extreme right-wing view. He apparently lives in Missouri and is listed as a former Presidential Elector from Kansas, for maybe two terms.

I exchanged some email with Paul to gently challenge the facts in his recent, "Say What, ... Barrack?" [sic] piece which appears in some Red-White-and Blue, neocon websites such as "The Conservative Voice" and the "Lincoln Heritage Institute," which don't provide any open forum mechanism for questioning their writer's facts or assertions and don't provide any means of permitting questions or presenting other views.

At first he provide me with a somewhat brief, but self-flattering, biography attributed to his unnamed "editor" which suggests he is elderly.

As our exchange continued, he grew increasingly hostile to my prodding him to research and recognize the false premise of his essay.

Finally, I asked if he would look at the information I would send him to correct the record, and he told me: "If I was wrong about that I'll readily admit to having made an error."

I then sent him the August 1960 TIME magazine article which destroyed his entirely fabricated article denigrating Barack Obama's claimed heritage.

His retort to my 4,000+ word email, was to correct my one minor spelling error and to tell me to: "Screw your apology!"

WOW! Presidential Elector ..two terms ..go figure ..

skipper10@comcast.net


Point being, it wouldn't take much research for someone to find FACTS that rebut Hollrah's allegations.

Mosca
02-23-2008, 02:52 PM
Here is from another source, in which someone who is also NOT a fan of Obama's takes on Hollrah nevertheless:

This is pretty interesting. I read the unedited text from Obama’s speech above and also read a critique by Mr. Paul R. Hollrah.

Mr. Hollrah’s slightly edited version left out some of the text that spoke to the Senator's intent, thus slightly slanting or "spinning" the message. As Mr. Hollrah points out, the Senator’s timeline is off by several years. However, that’s not my greatest concern. The references to Moses and Joshua bother me the most.

Its rather interesting that Senator Obama likens himself to Joshua. Joshua led the Israelites against Canaan in one of the greatest conflicts in the old testament.

So this raises the question, does the Senator see himself as a great general about to lead the American people, or just the black American people, into conflict? And if he does, who is he leading them against? Sounds like another potential for race division if you ask me rather than the “unity” he spouted at the Unity breakfast.

If the Senator's intent is to unify the races in the US, he needs to stay on message regardless of the venue. Somebody needs to slap his speech writers.

Mosca
02-23-2008, 03:02 PM
I just received this and thought I would share it. If you don't like it don't read it.


And TBD, you know I think the world of you; you're a good guy. But you can't use this open forum to pontificate and request to not be challenged. First, how would anyone know if they liked it or not without reading it? And second, why should we accept it as true without challenging it? I think it would be pretty easily verified or discredited... and it appears that was very quickly done. The speech was almost a year ago. It seems Mr Hollrah's article is having a nice time going unchallenged by those who want to accept it, and it has been disregarded by those who prefer to make their decisions about the candidates by themselves and based on their own perceptions rather than have someone alter the words and then spin the results.

I have no love for Obama myself; I'm very wary of him. But I can find reasons enough without someone twisting his words back at me.

This election cycle is absolutely unprecedented in that there is more access to the candidates themselves, and to their words and to the debates, than there has ever been in our history. I don't need any second hand spin; the text of the speech is available on the internet, and it is easy to see where Hollrah edited it. And I didn't look, but I'd bet that I could find the damn thing on Youtube if I tried.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-23-2008, 03:26 PM
Again...as a resident of Illinois...I can tell you that the buzz here is that everyone is asking "Who is this guy...out of nowhere he runs for senate and everyone loves him...Then out of nowhere he runs for President and again...everyone loves him."

If people in his home state are questioning his credentials...you can bet that it will pop up when he wins the Democratic nomination.

Lack of any discernable record...and questions regarding his patriotism will be the two points that may dull the Hollywood image that his campaign directors have admirably painted.

Mosca
02-23-2008, 03:46 PM
My biggest concern, llt. Right now, all he is to me is a great speechmaker. But like I said, there are enough facts out there to sort through; there is no need for anyone to twist it. Things stand for themselves.

Again...as a resident of Illinois...I can tell you that the buzz here is that everyone is asking "Who is this guy...out of nowhere he runs for senate and everyone loves him...Then out of nowhere he runs for President and again...everyone loves him."

If people in his home state are questioning his credentials...you can bet that it will pop up when he wins the Democratic nomination.

Lack of any discernable record...and questions regarding his patriotism will be the two points that may dull the Hollywood image that his campaign directors have admirably painted.

ShutDown24
02-23-2008, 03:56 PM
My biggest concern, llt. Right now, all he is to me is a great speechmaker. But like I said, there are enough facts out there to sort through; there is no need for anyone to twist it. Things stand for themselves.

That's the problem. Barack is like an excellent draft prospect with a ton of upside but questionable past. No one knows enough about him, almost like a combine wonder.

rbryan
02-23-2008, 03:58 PM
Republicans gotta be licking thier chops right now. Who in thier right mind figured this country would vote anything but a Democrat into office this time around with the way Bush has screwed things up.

So my two choices are Hillary and some guy whose name sounds like he's a terrorist??

What do you expect from a party that picked John Kerry the last go around.

Mosca
02-23-2008, 04:12 PM
When it comes time to decide, I will keep my own council. I very well may choose to vote for Obama, if he is the Democratic candidate; but again, I will do it based on what I myself see, not on what others tell me to see, or on what they interpret in what they see. Or, I may choose to vote for McCain; I'm not sure yet. Both have many good points, and many questionable points. It's tough.

I will say this; I am a businessman, and I thrived the most when a Democrat was president. I had the best years of my career when Bill Clinton was president. The Reagan and Bush years sucked by comparison. And the last 4 years have REALLY sucked.

Preacher
02-23-2008, 05:43 PM
When it comes time to decide, I will keep my own council. I very well may choose to vote for Obama, if he is the Democratic candidate; but again, I will do it based on what I myself see, not on what others tell me to see, or on what they interpret in what they see. Or, I may choose to vote for McCain; I'm not sure yet. Both have many good points, and many questionable points. It's tough.

I will say this; I am a businessman, and I thrived the most when a Democrat was president. I had the best years of my career when Bill Clinton was president. The Reagan and Bush years sucked by comparison. And the last 4 years have REALLY sucked.

While that may be true.. you know very well that presidents and economics are actually about an arms length or two apart... and take a number of years for thier policies to affect the economy.

As much as we like to argue it, there are very few things that either party can really point at and say... That was becajse of what WE did.

I will can only think of two. The New Deal provided the hope that carried us into a stable economy (helped by the prep for WWII), and Reagans work after the 70's economic fiasco (which should be blamed BOTH on Nixon AND Carter), again helped by the military build up.

Outside of that, we are guessing when it comes to direct long term affects on economy.

TroysBadDawg
02-23-2008, 05:54 PM
And TBD, you know I think the world of you; you're a good guy. But you can't use this open forum to pontificate and request to not be challenged. First, how would anyone know if they liked it or not without reading it? And second, why should we accept it as true without challenging it? I think it would be pretty easily verified or discredited... and it appears that was very quickly done. The speech was almost a year ago. It seems Mr Hollrah's article is having a nice time going unchallenged by those who want to accept it, and it has been disregarded by those who prefer to make their decisions about the candidates by themselves and based on their own perceptions rather than have someone alter the words and then spin the results.

I have no love for Obama myself; I'm very wary of him. But I can find reasons enough without someone twisting his words back at me.

This election cycle is absolutely unprecedented in that there is more access to the candidates themselves, and to their words and to the debates, than there has ever been in our history. I don't need any second hand spin; the text of the speech is available on the internet, and it is easy to see where Hollrah edited it. And I didn't look, but I'd bet that I could find the damn thing on Youtube if I tried.

darn and I thought I was making a joke about not reading it. I have never supported any of the candidates running for office. I believe there should be another choice that almost would always win. it is "None of the Above" but that is just one persons opinion. Secondly I have never said I can't be challenged not have I ever said I am always right, (although I am never wrong, ooops that was a joke also if you didn't catch it.) This is a very hard room to please. I guess I will return to the Browns board, because I never said I can't be challenged nor that I am always right, but all of a sudden you and Jeremy are claiming I did.

Sorry for interrupting your fun,
See ya.

Oh Ya this just in,
Just have to do it.

REMINDER I DID NOT WRITE THIS, READ AT YOU OWN DISCRETION

Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Defends Partial-birth Abortion
Junior U.S. Senator from Illinois
By Donna Hope
Takeaways
His voting record shows Barack to be as far left as they come.
He is an enemy to unborn children.
He was raised Muslim but 'converted' to Christianity later in life. As transparently biased as the MSM is, it should raise flags when they ooh and ahh (24/7) over a politician, who, quite clearly, is also a Democrat with socialist views and a strong supporter of pro-abortion legislation, particularly the gruesome partial-birth abortion.
I hope that the American people are not blinded by the continual media hype, and make an opinion based on the issues instead of the smooth talking, decent looks, and over-all charm. I’ve been disappointed to hear even friends of mine mention that simply because Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. speaks well and looks good, that he would make the perfect leader, but when asked what they know about what he stands for, not one of them could give an answer. Apparently, to many, all it takes is appearance and performance, never mind actual accomplishments or experience.
But since I’ve brought up accomplishments, let me list a few measures that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. backs.
He sponsored S.CON.RES.53: A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that any effort to impose photo identification requirements for voting should be rejected.
In 1999 he was the only Illinois State Senator to vote against a bill barring early release for (criminal) sex offenders.
He voted against filtering pornography on school and library computers and he voted for sex education for kindergarten children through the 5th grade.
Also, in 2001, he voted “present” on a bill to keep pornographic book and video stores and strip clubs from setting up within 1,000 feet of schools and churches.
Just as unsettling is his voting record on abortion.
Twice, Obama voted against bills prohibiting tax funding of abortions.
In February 2004, his wife, Michelle, sent out a fundraising letter, which actually stated her concern over the rise of conservatism in the Country, and that the ‘so-called’ partial-birth abortion was a legitimate medical procedure that should be protected.
In 2003, as chairman of the next Senate committee to which BAIPA (Born Alive Infants Protection Act) was sent, Obama prevented it from even getting a hearing. BAIPA, by the way, stated that all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.
In 2001, he voted “present” on a bill to notify parents when their minor children seek an abortion.
He voted against a cloning ban in 2000, but voted for it in 2001.
In 1997, Obama twice voted “present” on an Illinois partial-birth abortion ban.
For all that he is polished on the surface, his stand on the defenseless seems cold to the core and while I'm able to look past a politician personally, I strongly disapprove of what Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. stands for.

Sorry but I just had to do it. Now I will beg out of here. Looking for more argumentative stuff to post about all Politicians.

Mosca
02-23-2008, 07:00 PM
I know you didn't write it, but you DID spread it. And there was no way to discern that you were joking.

But seriously; you are someone I consider a strong thinker. Why don't you question stuff like this when you get it? NO ONE writes analysis like that unless they are trying to "sell" you something. And I mean that from both directions. There is enough raw data out there now that we don't need this regurgitated crap any more.

GBMelBlount
02-23-2008, 07:32 PM
I will say this; I am a businessman, and I thrived the most when a Democrat was president. I had the best years of my career when Bill Clinton was president. The Reagan and Bush years sucked by comparison. And the last 4 years have REALLY sucked.

So what exactly did Clinton do to make the economy so great? IMO it was a mere correlation and Clinton had very little to do with it.

revefsreleets
02-23-2008, 07:35 PM
I'll give Obama some credit. He was against the war from the start, and he made no qualms about it. The reason he's in the position he's in now is because of that one single position that he stood firm on when pretty much EVERYONE else (even in his own party) vacillated on. Sometimes all it takes is a single point that one guy takes a stand on.

I REALLY hate the hatchet jobs being done on both McCain and Obama. I really believe that both these guys are as close as we have seen in a long time to real men of principle running for the highest office of this land. It makes me want to puke to see the straight party line guys once again toe the party line without stopping to think a little outside the box, or, God forbid, synthesize their own position based on something they didn't hear on a talk radio show or read on some far-right or far-left online rag.

Mosca
02-23-2008, 11:17 PM
So what exactly did Clinton do to make the economy so great? IMO it was a mere correlation and Clinton had very little to do with it.

The point isn't so much that he did anything as much as it is to poo-poo statements that Republicans are good for the economy and Democrats are bad. It is more succinct to say that common sense is good and stupidity is bad. There have been wise stewards of the economy from both parties, and poor ones from both as well. What Clinton did best was leave it alone, IMO.

Honestly, what I wrote there was off-topic and I should have left it out; I got cross-posted in different forums (slow day at work). We can discuss it in a different thread if you like, but we probably wouldn't get anywhere with it. On a FURTHER off topic subject, I really dislike the way Bill Clinton has conducted himself in this campaign. It's as if his goal is to sabotage his wife's candidacy. I have my differences with the Clintons, just like i do with some of Obama and some of McCain.

TroysBadDawg
02-24-2008, 05:01 AM
Ok let's look At the Clinton's if you want.

Taxes under Clinton 1999

Single making 30K ? tax $8,400

Single making 50K ? tax $14,000

Single making 75K ? tax $23,250

Married making 60K ? tax $16,800

Married making 75K ? tax $21,000

Married making 125K ? tax $38,750

Taxes under Bush 2008

Single making 30K ? tax $4,500

Single making 50K ? tax $12,500

Single making 75K ? tax $18,750

Married making 60K ? tax $9,000

Married making 75K ? tax $18,750

Married making 125K ? tax $31,250


Federal Tax Rates 1913-2008


and what is that their hiding?

CLINTON BODY BAGS
Food for Thought
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many"friends" of the Clintons.

1- James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown ... The murder happened just. After she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hol e in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.

5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park 's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas

10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..

11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. ; Danny Ferguson was a
Co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14 - Florence Martin - Accountant &sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mean, Arkansas , Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Wa s pregnant at the time of her death.

16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mean airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mean Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a
Report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust
Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty Scandal.

20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked c losely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29,
1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21 - Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's
advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.

23 - Barry Seal - Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death
Was no accident.

24 - Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill nClinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop.. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25 - Stanley Huggins - Investig ated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26 - Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1,1994, when his plane exploded.

27 - Kevin Ives &Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case.
Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many
linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a
truck, 7/88.
29 - Keith McMaskle - Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash
dump in April 1989.
3 2 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes".
33 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
34 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

36 - Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
37 - Captain Scott J Reynolds
38 - Sgt. Brian Hanley
39 - Sgt. Tim Sabel
40 - Major General William Robertson
41 - Col. William Densberger
42 - Col. Robert Kelly
43 - Spec. Gary Rhodes
44 - Steve Willis
45 - Robert Williams
46 - Conway LeBleu
47 - Todd McKeehan
Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware
Of what happens to friends of the Clinton 's!


post it and they will read. LMAO

GBMelBlount
02-24-2008, 08:55 AM
NCSteeler
Obama couldn't be more left, he preaches about uniting and doing away with divisive politics, but he has never come to center to meet with any Republican on any issue. His record stands as one of complete liberalism.

If you look at the positions of Obama & McCain, not only on the top issues, but the lesser discussed as well, there is huge contrast. I wish the web site that showed all of the candidates positions on all of the issues (top 25 or so) was still on the internet. McCain is not as liberal as he is being portrayed IMO.

Where McCain on the other hand has a record of working with both parties to get the job done, he truly does and has taken a beating at the hands of his own party for being so willing to work together.

I am just as worried about the main stream media. They gave McCain a pass on some things IMO because they wanted him to be the republican candidate. Now that he is the clear front runner for the republicans, I fear they are going to bash the hell out of him.

SteelCityMan786
02-24-2008, 10:24 AM
post it and they will read. LMAO

Do you live by the saying Build it and they will come? lol. :toofunny:

Jeremy
02-24-2008, 11:44 AM
You should stop reading chain e-mails.

I have one about how McCain broke faith with his fellow POWs. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's true.

stillers4me
02-24-2008, 12:23 PM
You should stop reading chain e-mails.

I have one about how McCain broke faith with his fellow POWs. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's true.

For once, I agree with you.

TroysBadDawg
02-24-2008, 10:48 PM
You want something solid how about this:

Obama’s Senate Votes Offer Clues to His Presidency

Barack Obama has cast more than 1,100 votes since entering the U.S. Senate in

January 2005, and those votes indicate the likely position he would take on several issues as president.

In each of his three years in the Senate, Obama has voted with the majority of Democrats at least 96 percent of the time.

Here is where he has stood on key measures in the Senate, according to MSNBC:

Obama voted against the confirmation of John Roberts for the Supreme Court, saying he “far more often used his formidable skills on behalf of the strong in opposition to the weak.”

He also cast a vote against Samuel Alito and even voted in favor of a filibuster to stall his confirmation.

Obama opposed a bill in 2006 that would have denied citizenship or other legal status to illegal immigrants, and voted last year against a measure that would have allowed police to question people about their immigration status under certain circumstance.

He voted in favor of the immigration reform bill sponsored by John McCain and Ted Kennedy that would have allowed many illegal aliens to become legal residents.
Last October Obama voted for an act that would have allowed illegal immigrants who become permanent legal residents to qualify for lower in-state tuition rates at state universities. That measure was opposed by Democrats in a number of swing states that could be pivotal in this year’s election, MSNBC observed.

The Illinois Senator voted against a 2006 bill to prohibit the transportation of a minor girl across state lines to get an abortion if this would circumvent parental consent.
Obama voted against a bill extending the cuts in capital gains and dividends tax rates that Congress enacted in 2003, and against the repeal of the tax on inherited wealth, the estate tax.

In June 2006, Obama voted against a bill that would have required President Bush to withdraw most U.S. troops from Iraq by July 1, 2007. But this past September, he joined 27 other Democrats in voting for a bill ordering Bush to begin withdrawing most American forces within 90 days. The bill failed to pass.

Now granted these are a small, minute portion of his votes but I don't think there is anybody who wants to read each and every vote and the pros and cons about it. IF they do they can go to the Congressional record and look them up.

He has shown that he does not always stay with his former vote like Clinton. (see above)

He is to Hollywood packaged for me. More like a snake oil salesman.

At the present time I am still voting for "None of the Above"

BTW did you see Ralph Nader Just threw his hat in the ring. It is going to be a circus.

And Clinton forgot"

Hillary Clinton’s supposedly well-organized presidential campaign failed to file a full slate of convention delegate candidates for what may be a crucial primary in Pennsylvania on April 22.

But it could have been worse if Gov. Ed Rendell — a Clinton supporter — hadn’t extended the filing deadline, citing “winter weather” and the “closure of interstates at various times.”

The original filing deadline was Feb. 12 at 5 p.m. At that point, the Clinton campaign was reportedly 21 delegate candidates short. Rendell extended the deadline to Feb. 14 at noon, allowing 10 more Clinton delegate candidates to file but still leaving the campaign 11 candidates short.

The extension “could be viewed as more than just coincidental,” John Baer notes in the Philadelphia Daily News.

Clinton’s rival Barack Obama did file a full slate in Pennsylvania.

Baer observes regarding the Clinton effort in the state: “For a national campaign stressing competence, experience, ‘ready day one,’ one might expect a full slate in what could be a key state…

“It seems to me, in a state that could be important, in a state known for bad winter weather, a forward-looking campaign might be, well, more forward-looking.”

stlrtruck
02-25-2008, 08:43 AM
everyone is asking "Who is this guy...out of nowhere he runs for senate and everyone loves him...Then out of nowhere he runs for President and again...everyone loves him."


He's the anti-christ. He's going to bring Peace to the world, become president of the world, and he'll crucify the christians.

It's a good book series called, "Left Behind" you should read them - they're awesome.

Anyway, I apologize for hi-jacking the thread. I'll sit back and just read now!! :sofunny:

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 09:05 AM
He's the anti-christ. He's going to bring Peace to the world, become president of the world, and he'll crucify the christians.

It's a good book series called, "Left Behind" you should read them - they're awesome.

Anyway, I apologize for hi-jacking the thread. I'll sit back and just read now!! :sofunny:

Actually that's about as smart as anything else that's been posted in this thread. I'm not a big Obama fan myself, but there are some conservatives out there who are totally off the deep end in this election.

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 09:12 AM
He's the anti-christ. He's going to bring Peace to the world, become president of the world, and he'll crucify the christians.

It's a good book series called, "Left Behind" you should read them - they're awesome.

Anyway, I apologize for hi-jacking the thread. I'll sit back and just read now!! :sofunny:

Actually, your theory, if even if jest, was something that crossed my mind about Obama, but in a different sense. He's only been a Senator for a little over 3 years - after 911 - and though he claims he isn't a Muslim, I am leery of him. Who's to say he isn't a "plant"? I know that is far-fetched, but there's just something about Obama I don't trust (other than him being a Demo :wink02:).

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 10:54 AM
Actually, your theory, if even if jest, was something that crossed my mind about Obama, but in a different sense. He's only been a Senator for a little over 3 years - after 911 - and though he claims he isn't a Muslim, I am leery of him. Who's to say he isn't a "plant"? I know that is far-fetched, but there's just something about Obama I don't trust (other than him being a Demo :wink02:).

If you're going to be that paranoid, then what's to say McCain isn't the Manchurian Candidate?

Mosca
02-25-2008, 10:57 AM
If you're going to be that paranoid, then what's to say McCain isn't the Manchurian Candidate?

:sofunny:

Good one, Jeremy!

GBMelBlount
02-25-2008, 11:35 AM
If you're going to be that paranoid, then what's to say McCain isn't the Manchurian Candidate?

Sure, I guess anything is possible. However, I think it is only natural for some to be hesitant with some of the allegations that have been flying around about Obama.

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 11:48 AM
If you're going to be that paranoid, then what's to say McCain isn't the Manchurian Candidate?

I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours. I don't trust the guy and that's just the way it is. You and Mosca can both BITE ME.

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 12:08 PM
Sure, I guess anything is possible. However, I think it is only natural for some to be hesitant with some of the allegations that have been flying around about Obama.

How many of those allegations have been verified by outside sources? Chain e-mails and talk show chatter should be ignored. Base your opinions on facts and not rumors.

rbryan
02-25-2008, 12:20 PM
Thats just people being politically correct when finding a reason to not vote for him. We all know why he and Hillary both have no chance come November. Say what you want but when that curtain closes behind the vast majority of voters, there won't be enough people ready for that kind of change.

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 12:22 PM
Thats just people being politically correct when finding a reason to not vote for him. We all know why he and Hillary both have no chance come November. Say what you want but when that curtain closes behind the vast majority of voters, there won't be enough people ready for that kind of change.

Has anyone seen the movie Head of State? I imagine the reaction to Obama is going to be a little like the end of that movie.

Mosca
02-25-2008, 12:41 PM
I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours. I don't trust the guy and that's just the way it is. You and Mosca can both BITE ME.

LOL, HTG; I just thought it was funny, is all. Din't mean nothin' by it.

Hell, they're all politicians. Name me the last time you trusted ANY of them. I'd have to go back to Eisenhower, myself.

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 12:58 PM
LOL, HTG; I just thought it was funny, is all. Din't mean nothin' by it.

Hell, they're all politicians. Name me the last time you trusted ANY of them. I'd have to go back to Eisenhower, myself.

Politics is a touchy subject. I just think it's funny that people much so much stock in rumors and wild stories.

Mosca
02-25-2008, 01:01 PM
Thats just people being politically correct when finding a reason to not vote for him. We all know why he and Hillary both have no chance come November. Say what you want but when that curtain closes behind the vast majority of voters, there won't be enough people ready for that kind of change.

Hard to say. They're still going to hold the elections, after all. There are a lot of young voters interested, more than ever before, and that means a lot to the Obama campaign. I'm solid Dem, and I'm just as inclined to vote McCain right now as I am Obama or Clinton. I have to let the primary sniping and mud slinging die down before I get serious.

What tilts me toward Obama for the primary vote is the way he has run his campaign compared to Clinton. She has made a series of missteps and miscalculations that do not speak well for either her choice of advisors, or for her own decision making. And spending on her campaign has been insane. I heard a figure for lunch in Iowa that blew my mind; I don't remember what it was, but it was between 100k and 200k. Obama's campaign has been very well run, and he has made good choices in allocation of funds, and we see the results.

GBMelBlount
02-25-2008, 01:05 PM
How many of those allegations have been verified by outside sources? Chain e-mails and talk show chatter should be ignored. Base your opinions on facts and not rumors.

I honestly don't know Jeremy. I haven't researched Obama at all, just scanned chain e-mails, as you said. So hopefully someone has those "facts" available to post here. Otherwise, I'll do some digging myself, though I'd prefer not too.

rbryan
02-25-2008, 01:14 PM
At first glance it's easy to get upset at what these campaigns cost the taxpayer, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the money raised from the special interest groups that all expect something in return. Someone needs to stop the madness. At least limit the $ to a fraction of what they are currently spending. The candidates can still all have an opportunity to get thier message out there without this much overkill.

Don't get me started. lol

Dino 6 Rings
02-25-2008, 01:20 PM
Time for a new Party, I call it the "Tea Party"

I'm thinking of having Hannah Montana run on the ticket in 12 years. That's when all her current fans will be old enough to vote. Figure by then, if she hasn't completely pulled a Brittany Spears, she'll be as viable a candidate as any of the hacks currently running for office in either part.

Polamalu Princess
02-25-2008, 01:34 PM
:popcorn:

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 01:37 PM
I honestly don't know Jeremy. I haven't researched Obama at all, just scanned chain e-mails, as you said. So hopefully someone has those "facts" available to post here. Otherwise, I'll do some digging myself, though I'd prefer not too.

I've done my research on the "hand over the heart" incident and it was blown totally out of proportion. As for the rest of it, I'll base my vote on a couple of issues.

1. How will you handle the military?

2. How will handle agriculture?

Based on those two things, I'm still very undecided.

fansince'76
02-25-2008, 01:41 PM
I just think it's funny that people much so much stock in rumors and wild stories.

Like obvious c0ck-and-bull stories about players dissing young kids trying to get autographs at TC, for instance?

GBMelBlount
02-25-2008, 01:44 PM
Jeremy
I've done my research on the "hand over the heart" incident and it was blown totally out of proportion.

Do you have facts to prove that? LOL!


As for the rest of it, I'll base my vote on a couple of issues.

1. How will you handle the military?

2. How will handle agriculture?

Based on those two things, I'm still very undecided.

Why is agriculture so important to you? I never really had it at the top of my list.

OneForTheToe
02-25-2008, 02:00 PM
Obama's appeal to young voters will either be his edge or his undoing if he is the nominee. The problem with younger voters is that they show up at rallies and cheer enthusiastically now, but are still probably less likely to show up when it is time to vote. If Obama is the nominee then turnout among the "yutes" could be the deciding factor.

For the record, I still think Clinton will win the nomination. Yes Obama has been surging, but it is probably closer than the news media is calling it. The news media likes to analyze these races like a sporting event. The truth is Hillary and Obama are still amazingly close in delegates and she still has an advantage in Texas and Ohio. Furthermore, I have to believe most of the "Super Delegates" who tend to be more practical, think Clinton has a better chance in the fall. I'm not saying Obama can't win - especially if he upset her in one of the big states - but a fair analysis would conclude that the race is even.

Having said all that - McCain 2008, for me.

Mosca
02-25-2008, 02:06 PM
Like obvious c0ck-and-bull stories about players dissing young kids trying to get autographs at TC, for instance?

Wow. Gratuitous shot from a staff member. Little off topic, don't you think? Kinda reach-in-the-past-and-stir-a-settled-pot, maybe?

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 02:17 PM
Wow. Gratuitous shot from a staff member. Little off topic, don't you think? Kinda reach-in-the-past-and-stir-a-settled-pot, maybe?

Why do you people continue to feel that just because Gary and I are Mods, we aren't permitted to join in the fray? :dang: As long as we don't violate the COC that we ask everyone else to abide by, what's the problem? :dang:

Sure it's a bit off-topic, but what thread around here ever stays totally on topic?

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-25-2008, 02:21 PM
Why do you people continue to feel that just because Gary and I are Mods, we aren't permitted to join in the fray? :dang: As long as we don't violate the COC that we ask everyone else to abide by, what's the problem? :dang:

Sure it's a bit off-topic, but what thread around here ever stays totally on topic?

Chocolate.....


....my favorite ice cream is chocolate.

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 02:25 PM
Chocolate.....


....my favorite ice cream is chocolate.

:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny: You poo stirrer. :wink02::stirthepot:

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 02:27 PM
Wow. Gratuitous shot from a staff member. Little off topic, don't you think? Kinda reach-in-the-past-and-stir-a-settled-pot, maybe?

Some people carry deep grudges. It's ok, I just laugh at them and move on.

And agriculture is so important to me because I come from a farming family.

GBMelBlount
02-25-2008, 02:28 PM
Chocolate.....


....my favorite ice cream is chocolate.

Sorry LLT, gotta go with Mint Chocolate Chip! :flap:

GBMelBlount
02-25-2008, 02:29 PM
Some people carry deep grudges. It's ok, I just laugh at them and move on.

And agriculture is so important to me because I come from a farming family.

Gottya. Makes sense.

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 02:30 PM
Some people carry deep grudges.

Two words.

God Send.

:toofunny::toofunny::chicken:

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 02:31 PM
Sorry LLT, gotta go with Mint Chocolate Chip! :flap:

Me too! Cookies 'N Cream runs a close second! :cheers:

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-25-2008, 02:32 PM
:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny: You poo stirrer. :wink02::stirthepot:

:sofunny::sofunny:

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 02:32 PM
Two words.

God Send.

:toofunny::toofunny::chicken:

I haven't used that since I started posting again. '76 keeps dragging things up from the past.

Like I said, I basically laugh at him and move on.

Edit: I'll probably be reprimanded for that remark...oh well.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-25-2008, 02:33 PM
Sorry LLT, gotta go with Mint Chocolate Chip! :flap:

Oh GAWD...My Mom loved Mint chocolate chip...and now its my wifes favorite!!!!....:yuck:

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 02:44 PM
I haven't used that since I started posting again. '76 keeps dragging things up from the past.

Like I said, I basically laugh at him and move on.

Edit: I'll probably be reprimanded for that remark...oh well.

No, you haven't used that term since your return, but you came across as a tad hypocritical by what you posted above. :scratchchin:

P.S. You are only reprimanded when you break the rules which you didn't in this case. :wink02:

Mosca
02-25-2008, 02:51 PM
Why do you people continue to feel that just because Gary and I are Mods, we aren't permitted to join in the fray? :dang: As long as we don't violate the COC that we ask everyone else to abide by, what's the problem? :dang:

Sure it's a bit off-topic, but what thread around here ever stays totally on topic?


It wasn't the "off-topic" part that caught my immediate attention, it was the moderator taking a shot at a member, a moderator bringing up an old argument that appeared to have been let alone to die, a moderator stirring up muck on his own forum, that made me think, WHOA.

the issue was dead. You brought it back to life. Now you have to deal with it again. Looking back, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have done that now, does it?

I would have considered it a violation of COC.


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Jeremy
02-25-2008, 02:54 PM
It wasn't the "off-topic" part that caught my immediate attention, it was the moderator taking a shot at a member, a moderator bringing up an old argument that appeared to have been let alone to die, a moderator stirring up muck on his own forum, that made me think, WHOA.

the issue was dead. You brought it back to life. Now you have to deal with it again. Looking back, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have done that now, does it?

I would have considered it a violation of COC.

:wink02:

We don't talk about that sort of thing with '76.

Bottom line is if you're not clever enough to join in the debate, you take a cheap shot at someone. It says more about him than it says about me.

fansince'76
02-25-2008, 02:58 PM
It wasn't the "off-topic" part that caught my immediate attention, it was the moderator taking a shot at a member, a moderator bringing up an old argument that appeared to have been let alone to die, a moderator stirring up muck on his own forum, that made me think, WHOA.

the issue was dead. You brought it back to life. Now you have to deal with it again. Looking back, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have done that now, does it?

I would have considered it a violation of COC.

Yep, never mind that the member I was addressing, which wasn't YOU incidentally, is notorious for taking gratuitous potshots all over this board at others that don't agree with him. I believe in giving back in that respect. You have a problem with what I did? Address it with Mike.

Mosca
02-25-2008, 03:07 PM
Yep, never mind that the member I was addressing, which wasn't YOU incidentally, is notorious for taking gratuitous potshots all over this board at others that don't agree with him. I believe in giving back in that respect. You have a problem with what I did? Address it with Mike.

Sure. I'll let Mike know (which is all I care about). It appears to me, though, that you are using your position to shoot but not get shot at. It's easy for me because I don't cause problems. But what about a member who is trying to change his attitude? Why should YOU be the one who starts stirring? Sure, it was funny that he would post that, but why not let it go?

You gotta keep picking at the wound though. Don't let it heal, right? I would expect more from a moderator.

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 03:09 PM
It wasn't the "off-topic" part that caught my immediate attention, it was the moderator taking a shot at a member, a moderator bringing up an old argument that appeared to have been let alone to die, a moderator stirring up muck on his own forum, that made me think, WHOA.

the issue was dead. You brought it back to life. Now you have to deal with it again. Looking back, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have done that now, does it?

I would have considered it a violation of COC.

Tom - before we are Mods, we are regular members first and post as such. I believe Jeremy was being a bit hypocritical for posting what he did and Gary was just accentuating on that point. If I viewed Gary's post as a violation of the COC, I'd be infracting half of our members on a regular basis, including you and Jeremy! :flap:

Quoting the COC:

-Anything not relating to the original subject of the topic.

Wow - Tony and LLT would have been history by now. :wink02::flap:

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-25-2008, 03:13 PM
Wow - Tony and LLT would have been history by now. :wink02::flap:

Yea......



HEY!!!

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 03:15 PM
Sure. I'll let Mike know (which is all I care about). It appears to me, though, that you are using your position to shoot but not get shot at. It's easy for me because I don't cause problems. But what about a member who is trying to change his attitude? Why should YOU be the one who starts stirring? Sure, it was funny that he would post that, but why not let it go?

You gotta keep picking at the wound though. Don't let it heal, right? I would expect more from a moderator.

Tom - that simply is NOT true. Neither Gary or I operate that way and you should know that.

Can you honestly say that you've never taken a shot at anyone around here or haven't brought up a dead issue or hijacked a thread???

If Jeremy is indeed trying to change his attitude, let the proof be in the pudding. His reply post to mine a few pages back doesn't lend much credence to that "change in attitude".

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 03:24 PM
Bottom line is that '76 hijacked this thread by taking a cheap shot at me. There's no debating that and it shows what kind of poster he thinks he is.

You have a good day now.

Mosca
02-25-2008, 03:27 PM
I've said my piece, anything else and I'm guilty of prolonging it. I'll say no more.

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 03:27 PM
Bottom line is that '76 hijacked this thread by taking a cheap shot at me. There's no debating that and it shows what kind of poster he thinks he is.

You have a good day now.

http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Pot%20Kettle%20Black.jpg

You have a good day yourself.

GBMelBlount
02-25-2008, 03:32 PM
Oh GAWD...My Mom loved Mint chocolate chip...and now its my wifes favorite!!!!....:yuck:

Is Hometown Gal your wife?

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 03:34 PM
http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Pot%20Kettle%20Black.jpg

You have a good day yourself.

I never claimed to anything other than what I am. '76 is the one acting like a hypocrite.

But I honestly don't expect you to see that.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-25-2008, 03:35 PM
Bottom line is that all of us have a right to post...be pissed...poke fun...and call "B.S."...whether it be forum members or mods.

The Mods ONLY responsibility as I understand it...is to keep us all from calling each other mother f**kers, turning this forum into chaos...and to kick out anyone who is just here to flame and troll.

That being said...all you mother f**kers need to settle down and get back on the main topic.


.........chocolate ice cream.

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 03:42 PM
Bottom line is that all of us have a right to post...be pissed...poke fun...and call "B.S."...whether it be forum members or mods.

The Mods ONLY responsibility as I understand it...is to keep us all from calling each other mother f**kers, turning this forum into chaos...and to kick out anyone who is just here to flame and troll.

That being said...all you mother f**kers need to settle down and get back on the main topic.


.........chocolate ice cream.

Thank you, LLT.

I don't think anyone who isn't or hasn't been a Mod around here has any idea of our responsibilities. They don't just entail what you mentioned above, believe me, but Gary and I volunteer our time to try to keep this board running as smoothly as we can. Sometimes being a Mod subjects one to criticisms and that is fine - if those criticisms are made fairly, which in this case, I don't believe they are, but that's just mho. Hey - part of the job is realizing that no matter what you do, you're damned if you do . . . damned if you don't. :cheers:

OK - I'm done. Back to the topic at hand.

I'm not 100% sold on McCain, but right now, he's the best of what's left and I agree more with his platform than those of Bit chary and Obama.

lamberts-lost-tooth
02-25-2008, 03:51 PM
Thank you, LLT.

I don't think anyone who isn't or hasn't been a Mod around here has any idea of our responsibilities. They don't just entail what you mentioned above, believe me, but Gary and I volunteer our time to try to keep this board running as smoothly as we can. Sometimes being a Mod subjects one to criticisms and that is fine - if those criticisms are made fairly, which in this case, I don't believe they are, but that's just mho. Hey - part of the job is realizing that no matter what you do, you're damned if you do . . . damned if you don't. :cheers:

OK - I'm done. Back to the topic at hand.

I'm not 100% sold on McCain, but right now, he's the best of what's left and I agree more with his platform than those of Bit chary and Obama.

The truth is ...most Americans are just left or just right of center when it comes to their candidates.....McCain is to close to center for most Republicans...but maybe far enough to entice some dems.
Obama on the other hand is FAAAAAAARRRRRR left and will draw very few Republicans...and may actually lose some Dems, when his leftist agenda comes to light.

tony hipchest
02-25-2008, 04:59 PM
the Barack Obengals suck

:hunch:

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 05:05 PM
Thank you, LLT.

I don't think anyone who isn't or hasn't been a Mod around here has any idea of our responsibilities. They don't just entail what you mentioned above, believe me, but Gary and I volunteer our time to try to keep this board running as smoothly as we can. Sometimes being a Mod subjects one to criticisms and that is fine - if those criticisms are made fairly, which in this case, I don't believe they are, but that's just mho. Hey - part of the job is realizing that no matter what you do, you're damned if you do . . . damned if you don't. :cheers:

OK - I'm done. Back to the topic at hand.

I'm not 100% sold on McCain, but right now, he's the best of what's left and I agree more with his platform than those of Bit chary and Obama.

Two other posters besides me thought they were. But whatever, I can now see what kind of poster/mod '76 is and others have seen it too.

HometownGal
02-25-2008, 05:14 PM
Two other posters besides me thought they were. But whatever, I can now see what kind of poster/mod '76 is and others have seen it too.

Please let it go Jeremy. The rest of us have.

Jeremy
02-25-2008, 05:16 PM
Please let it go Jeremy. The rest of us have.

Fine.....I see how it is now.

Preacher
02-25-2008, 06:13 PM
Fine.....I see how it is now.

I have completely stayed out of this... until now.

Jeremy, your martyr complex is very tiresome. Did 76 take a potshot at you? Sure. If you think it is out of line, email Mike about it. I have said the same thing to those who were dealing with LITP when he was mod... so there is no favorites here.

However, I am not sure pointing out how you are being completely inconsistent from one thread to another is wrong. I am definitely befuddled in trying to understand how you can call people paranoid... then get ticked when people call you hypocrite... thus proving their point.

Personally... I thank you for backing off of some of your inflammatory style of posting... such as GS.

But getting into a thread, basically insinuating people are idiots and you know better, then getting mad and playing the martyr when you're called on it is hilarious.

And since this thread keeps asking for facts...

You should stop reading chain e-mails.

I have one about how McCain broke faith with his fellow POWs. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's true.

Really? I guess no one else here knows that chain emails are usually full of false hoods. Thank you for educating everyone, as none of us know as much. It is greatly appreciated.

If you're going to be that paranoid, then what's to say McCain isn't the Manchurian Candidate?
Thanks for the warning. I will now blindly accept whatever the candidate says.

Politics is a touchy subject. I just think it's funny that people much so much stock in rumors and wild stories.

I personally think it is hilarious that some people know so much about everyone else that they seem able to reduce their entire thought patterns to a line on a bulletin board.
______________________

BTW...
Under each quote is my response...

The first is my response at the level which you try to inform others...

The second is the same approach of argument used when you want to make a point

The third is simply equaling a statement which is absurd.

I purposely did this because I wonder if you just don't understand how you come across to others.

But regardless... Please please please............... DROP THE MARTYR COMPLEX

Atlanta Dan
02-25-2008, 08:02 PM
I had to check to make certain I was not re-reading a thread from a month ago:smile:

Preacher
02-25-2008, 08:05 PM
I had to check to make certain I was not re-reading a thread from a month ago:smile:

Touche!

:toofunny:

fansince'76
02-26-2008, 06:53 AM
Besides it serves no purpose other than a personal vendetta. Gary was not even participating in this threads discussion until he felt he had to call Jeremy out. To what cause and to what end?

OK, since I seem to have to point out why I said what I did:

If you're going to be that paranoid, then what's to say McCain isn't the Manchurian Candidate?

Then HTG came back with this:

I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours. I don't trust the guy and that's just the way it is.

Not willing to leave that alone, Jeremy then decided to pile on with the following:

Politics is a touchy subject. I just think it's funny that people much so much stock in rumors and wild stories.

When I see not only a fellow mod, but someone I consider a friend being piled on like that, damn straight I jump in. I'd also do it again in a heartbeat, whether I was a mod or not, particularly when, as I pointed out before, the poster doing the piling on in this case is one that is notorious for taking gratuitous and unwarranted potshots at others all over this board when they don't agree with his opinion. But mods don't have the right to jump in the fray when they're getting shots taken at them, right? Gotcha. Loud and clear. And sorry, I don't play that. Don't like it? Too bad - I didn't relinquish my First Amendment right to free speech when I became a mod here.

Anyhow, ya'll have succeeded in ruining a perfectly crappy political thread.

As did you by dredging the issue back up. But you decided to put your :twocents: in on it anyway, even when you weren't involved in the disagreement. Yet I don't have the right to jump in? Hypocrisy, anyone?

stlrtruck
02-26-2008, 08:50 AM
So has anyone heard anything new on the Senator?

Heck for that matter any of the other candidates!?

GBMelBlount
02-26-2008, 09:21 AM
Actually that's about as smart as anything else that's been posted in this thread. I'm not a big Obama fan myself, but there are some conservatives out there who are totally off the deep end in this election.

So tell me about these conservatives that are "off the deepend?" What major candidate and what issues. Then perhaps we can also talk about Hillary and Obama and why they should or shouldn't just run uner the communist party. BTW, when you determine which candidate you are going to vote for based on who will give your family the best "handout" for agriculture, let me know.