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Mandy90
03-07-2008, 08:54 PM
When you think about it, the Steelers O-Line probably isn't in need of a complete overhaul.

LT - Starks
LG - Simmons
C - Stapleton
RG - Colon
RT - Essex

I probably see it that way the next couple of years, assuming we don't draft any O-Line in early rounds. I have a feeling we're going to go D-Line in the first, possibly O-Line in the second or third.

BlastFurnace
03-07-2008, 09:15 PM
The Steelers can't go wrong drafting either DL or OL in the 1st round. I am still hoping we can bring in an experienced DB such as Wilson or Crocker that will allow us to focus on the trenches in the 1st 3 rounds of the draft. Of all the places on our roster, the trenches is the area we clearly need the most help.

We have had very good success finding talent that was not drafted and hopefully Stapleton will be an answer to our Center problem for years to come. He may be our next Hank Fraley....but this time, we need to keep him.

This season, barring injury, Smith will be our LT. I'm not counting on us bringing in any OL help via free agency, so I am thinking that Kemo will play LG and Colon will stay at RT for one more season...or unless we draft a stud RT that will allow us to move him inside and slide Simmons over as you mentioned. I can see Essex being our swing man this season as Starks was last season if Starks leaves. Sometimes I get the impression that the Steelers don't view Kemo as a long term solution at LG. Maybe the rumors are true that he just doesn't grasp the playbook.

The consensus among all the Steelers beat writers is that Starks will never see $6 million+ this season in one way or another. Considering he has shown the ability to play both tackle positons, I am hoping we can sign him to something that averages $3-4 Million a season...like maybe 5 yrs/$20 million so he can play LT after Smith leaves after this season. It would be interesting to see if Max does get some interest if the Steelers do remove the Transition tag on him.

Personally, I would like to see a line this season that looks like this:

LT: Smith
LG: Simmons
C: Stapleton
RG: Colon
RT: Starks

Reserves: Mahan, Kemo, Essex, Rookie

With this line, we have both youth and depth. The only veteran we have is Smith, and more than likely, he is gone after this season.

The Defensive Line is old and needs a serious influx of new blood. I think I read that Keisel is the youngest of them at 30. Although Aaron Smith showed no signs of slowing down, I'm not sure about Hampton and Keisel does not eat up enough blockers. Hoke and Kirschke are good rotational type players, but they are older as well. I hope that 2 out of the three picks are D-lineman to get some youth in here.

With Tomlin's approach so far in the type of FA's he brought in (young in age) and his comments that we need to get younger, our team is in for a real influx of young players with speed. That's good news for Steeler fans.

19ward86
03-07-2008, 11:27 PM
I am a believer that marvel smith wont be here for next season. He is an overpaid guy who is taking up cap that we need to sign anybody. I like smith and wilson released and that will put us around 10mil in the salary cap.

LT-Max Starks
LG-Branden Albert
OC-Darnell Stapleton
RG-Kendall Simmons
RT-Willie Colon

I say we build up the left side of the line, maybe put kendell simmons at center and chris kemeoatu at RG, we will have a strength type of line. Physical offense is what i dream of.

tony hipchest
03-08-2008, 12:41 AM
i see it looking something like this-

..X....X....X

X....X....X....X
O...O...O...O...O
........O........

........O.........

Preacher
03-08-2008, 12:50 AM
i see it looking something like this-

..X....X....X

X....X....X....X
O...O...O...O...O
........O........

........O.........



And again....

... :buttkick:

Galax Steeler
03-08-2008, 06:37 AM
i see it looking something like this-

..X....X....X

X....X....X....X
O...O...O...O...O
........O........

........O.........

Agree it probably will look something like that.

Rick5895
03-08-2008, 07:00 AM
With the drafting of either Otah or Albert with the first pick, probably Albert though, he will start. I would like to se Simmons move to guard and mahan outright released. If they can get Starks to resign at his true worth (2-3 mil/year) then we will be fine.

Rick5895
03-08-2008, 07:00 AM
Sorry bout that Simmons move to center, lol.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-08-2008, 11:34 AM
I am a believer that marvel smith wont be here for next season. He is an overpaid guy who is taking up cap that we need to sign anybody. I like smith and wilson released and that will put us around 10mil in the salary cap.

LT-Max Starks
LG-Branden Albert
OC-Darnell Stapleton
RG-Kendall Simmons
RT-Willie Colon

I say we build up the left side of the line, maybe put kendell simmons at center and chris kemeoatu at RG, we will have a strength type of line. Physical offense is what i dream of.


This is all dependant if they can sign Starks. I hope they do and this season its.

Marvel Smith
Kemo
Mahan (or Stapleton)
Simmons
Starks

Then next season it could be

Starks
Colon
Stapleton
Simmons
Carl Nicks (or Heath Benedict)

If they cant sign Starks, you can bet they just might draft O line in rounds 1 and 2.....at least 2 linemen in the first 3 rounds.

RJC
03-08-2008, 06:21 PM
OK, you guys preach, I'll teach. Stapleton, someone none of you have ever seen play, is a nobody. To say you want him starting is a joke. The OL should go as follows:

LT-Marvel Smith(Established LT for 1 more year)
LG-Chris Kemoeatu(A huge mauling, physical run blocker)
C-Kendall Simmons(Has the athleticism to play in the middle. Can also pull.)
RG-Willie Colon(Tough guy, but lousy in space. Plays better in the "phone booth")
RT-Max Starks(An established former starter with a Super Bowl ring on his resume.)

Draft 2-3 OL from the 2nd round on for depth.

The Duke
03-08-2008, 06:33 PM
OK, you guys preach, I'll teach.



:coffee:

Stapleton, someone none of you have ever seen play, is a nobody . To say you want him starting is a joke.

and you know this because..........

sorry to see your post this way , but it seems to me you think you know more than everyone else, if not well.... :footinmou

no one knows what the line will look like , we're just giving our predictions, theres no reason to say a guy that hasn't even played is a joke

RJC
03-08-2008, 07:02 PM
:coffee:



and you know this because..........

sorry to see your post this way , but it seems to me you think you know more than everyone else, if not well.... :footinmou

no one knows what the line will look like , we're just giving our predictions, theres no reason to say a guy that hasn't even played is a joke


Let me explain this to you. Stapleton is a 285lb C. That's way undersized for a guy who plays in the AFC where there's guys like Shaun Rogers, Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, John Henderson, Marcus Stroud, Dwayne Robertson, Vince Wilfork, Jason Ferguson, Jamal Williams all reside. You can't have a C that is outweighed by 50 lbs by opposing NTs. You just can't . THE END~

OneForTheToe
03-08-2008, 07:23 PM
Let me explain this to you. Stapleton is a 285lb C. That's way undersized for a guy who plays in the AFC where there's guys like Shaun Rogers, Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, John Henderson, Marcus Stroud, Dwayne Robertson, Vince Wilfork, Jason Ferguson, Jamal Williams all reside. You can't have a C that is outweighed by 50 lbs by opposing NTs. You just can't . THE END~


Maybe you should phone the Steelers and explain it to them since they seemed to have enough faith in Stapleton's ability last season to keep him on the roster. And I don't think he was kept strictly as a guard, since we released 2 centers (Chucky and Marvin Phillip -who came back on the practice squad, I believe) at the beginning of last year. Also, seriously how hard is it to gain twenty pounds as a professional athlete? Kiesel lost weight when he was special team?s player and then bulked back up to play DE. Heck, Casey Hampton gains ten pounds at lunch.

The Duke
03-08-2008, 07:25 PM
Let me explain this to you. Stapleton is a 285lb C. That's way undersized for a guy who plays in the AFC where there's guys like Shaun Rogers, Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, John Henderson, Marcus Stroud, Dwayne Robertson, Vince Wilfork, Jason Ferguson, Jamal Williams all reside. You can't have a C that is outweighed by 50 lbs by opposing NTs. You just can't . THE END~

alright,we'll see, I seem to remember a back on the steelers everyone thought was too small.......

people can surprise you, willie certainly did

if Stapleton gets cut then yes , he's a joke, but so far we'll just have to wait and see what happens.......

ChronoCross
03-09-2008, 12:03 AM
Starks I believe is a really great LT hiding over at RT were he does not belong.. and Steelers are talking about starting Starks at LT. Smith can play backup until he is gone.

Preacher
03-09-2008, 01:10 AM
Starks I believe is a really great LT hiding over at RT were he does not belong.. and Steelers are talking about starting Starks at LT. Smith can play backup until he is gone.

Yep... or move him to the right and see if he can do anything over there.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-09-2008, 11:35 AM
OK, you guys preach, I'll teach. Stapleton, someone none of you have ever seen play, is a nobody. To say you want him starting is a joke. The OL should go as follows:

LT-Marvel Smith(Established LT for 1 more year)
LG-Chris Kemoeatu(A huge mauling, physical run blocker)
C-Kendall Simmons(Has the athleticism to play in the middle. Can also pull.)
RG-Willie Colon(Tough guy, but lousy in space. Plays better in the "phone booth")
RT-Max Starks(An established former starter with a Super Bowl ring on his resume.)

Draft 2-3 OL from the 2nd round on for depth.

OK, but then you should "teach" Simmons to shotgun snap and snap, then pull as well.

Have you ever done it in a game at any level?? If you have, then you would know the feeling of snapping low or over a QB's head and how it messes up the play.

I like the idea, but if this was possible it would have happened last year instead of signing Mahan who was released by the Bucs. Simmons is a Guard and Stapleton may have been in the Gym, so he has a shot. I still think we draft a top center in '09

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-09-2008, 12:25 PM
OK, you guys preach, I'll teach. .

Please tell me you didnt post that!!! I'm embarrased for you.

Black@Gold Forever32
03-09-2008, 01:20 PM
Yep... or move him to the right and see if he can do anything over there.

Smith would be fine at RT...He started out as a RT and I have said for years that Smith is better suited for RT and the Steelers needed to find a true LT....But that LT is not Max Starks...lol I don't know why people think he is the answer...Starks was very inconsistent as a RT....I know Starks looked alright last year the few times he played at LT last year after Smith went down....But thats not enough for me to think Starks is the answer and I don't expect much from Max....Keep in mind when Starks was in there two of those games was in the slop fest at Heinz....lol Those conditions slow down pass rushers which greatly helped Max.....

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-09-2008, 02:09 PM
Smith would be fine at RT...He started out as a RT and I have said for years that Smith is better suited for RT and the Steelers needed to find a true LT....But that LT is not Max Starks...lol I don't know why people think he is the answer...Starks was very inconsistent as a RT....I know Starks looked alright last year the few times he played at LT last year after Smith went down....But thats not enough for me to think Starks is the answer and I don't expect much from Max....Keep in mind when Starks was in there two of those games was in the slop fest at Heinz....lol Those conditions slow down pass rushers which greatly helped Max.....

I completely agree on Starks. He has a couple games at LT because of injury to Smith and in that swamp of a field he looked good. I dont know that he is the long term answer at LT.

Smith however is a much better LT when healthy, but the back issues are a concern. Either way, he wont get a large 3rd contract and will end up leaving in Free Agency after this season like Faneca, Wayne Gandy, John Jackson, Leon Searcy etc. did before him.

One of the tackles will be drafted this year by the Steelers. Otah, Williams, Nicks, Benedict, etc.

ChronoCross
03-09-2008, 10:05 PM
Smith is garbage and some just do not see it.. Even essex has done a better job at left tackle then Smith only allowing 2 pressures and no sacks for 3 1-/2 quarters after smith already gave up 2 sacks and 3 pressures. Starks plays 3 games allows no pressures, no sacks, anything is worth a try to smith who should remain on the bench are cut are smith should be moved to Right.

Some say well since it was in the mud for that one game is what helped Starks then why couldnt smith stop anyone. Starks came into the Jags game after Smith tweaked his back and Smith already gave up 3 1/2 sacks, Starks come in and does not allow a single pressure are sack. And jags were only rushing 4 all game.

So anything right now is better then Smith. We have a serious issue the past 2 years of to many sacks and it mainly is coming from Bens blind side. So if you want Ben to get hurt keep letting all them sacks come off of Smith who allows 2 to 5 sacks a game, not counting all the pressures. Left side of the line has been horrid.

We just gave ben a huge contract lets do the best we can to protect him and a new left side of the line is the biggest issue. 1 issue is gone in faneca, and thank god the Steelers are already talking about using Starks at Left, at least there seeing the issue at hand on that side.

Steel Pit
03-10-2008, 12:39 AM
I'll be happy with any variation of offensive lineman so long as they produce what's taking place in this photo.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l13/bkakers/10462.jpg

paw-n-maul-u
03-10-2008, 02:34 AM
our line needs reshuffling not revamping.

and I don't think we can spend all three picks on the O-line next year.

Honestly, if we spend our 1st on and O-linemen, I don't want another pick at the position till atleast the 4th.

If we don't then maybe you can spend the second and third on O-line, but I don't think it's a big as need as people make it out to be.

Preacher
03-10-2008, 02:39 AM
our line needs reshuffling not revamping.

and I don't think we can spend all three picks on the O-line next year.

Honestly, if we spend our 1st on and O-linemen, I don't want another pick at the position till atleast the 4th.

If we don't then maybe you can spend the second and third on O-line, but I don't think it's a big as need as people make it out to be.

:dang:

We have lost one of our starting linemen, the others allowed a HOW MANY sacks last year?

Sorry,

2 of the first 3 picks, perhaps a first and third needs to go to the O line.

Take the 2nd pick and draft a ILB or a WR.

paw-n-maul-u
03-10-2008, 02:49 AM
Are you trying to pick on me tonight or something?

out of Colon, Simmons, Kemo, and Mahan (hopefully not), we will have two decent guards.

Smith and Starks, Essex (who was solid when called upon), and a 1st round OT would be plenty enough to manage the year, honestly the line cannot be as bad as last year, it's impossible. And faneca was highly overrated in passprotection.

Center is my only real concern, and Simmons or stapleton could do adequately enough, they couldnt do any worse than mahan is what I mean

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-10-2008, 11:28 AM
Smith is garbage and some just do not see it.. Even essex has done a better job at left tackle then Smith only allowing 2 pressures and no sacks for 3 1-/2 quarters after smith already gave up 2 sacks and 3 pressures. Starks plays 3 games allows no pressures, no sacks, anything is worth a try to smith who should remain on the bench are cut are smith should be moved to Right.

Some say well since it was in the mud for that one game is what helped Starks then why couldnt smith stop anyone. Starks came into the Jags game after Smith tweaked his back and Smith already gave up 3 1/2 sacks, .


Smith is garbage?? Now that is just a joke of a statement. He had back surgery and apparently some people "just dont see it".

The guy is a pro bowler in 2005, has started 103 games in the NFL and didnt give up a sack the first 6 weeks of this season, then gives up a bunch because of a trying to play with a disc problem the next 7 weeks.


Smith has not allowed a sack this season, even though he has faced some of the better pass rushers in the NFL -- Julian Peterson led Seattle with 10 sacks last season and is tied for second in the NFL this year with six; Aaron Schobel led Buffalo last season with 14, three off the NFL lead, and Kamerion Wimbley led Cleveland last season with 11.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07291/826344-66.stm

Why couldnt Smith stop anyone??? He stopped everyone in the first 5 games of the year when he didnt have back issues. Put Starks out on the field with a herniated disc and see how effective he is.

Starks couldnt beat out Colon in preseason and showed no promise in pass protection, but then gets to play because of injuries and everybody thinks he is the next Walter Jones....I dont get it??

Then Starks, who replaced Smith at left tackle on the third series, allowed the other two -- one to Jenkins, the other to Packers defensive end Kabeer Gbaja-Bimila. Starks also allowed a sack in last Sunday's 20-7 victory against the New Orleans Saints in the Hall of Fame game, giving him three in two games.

But, in his defense, all three sacks have come while he was at left tackle, a position he hadn't played since college.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07224/808984-66.stm

Smith will play LT this season. If he isnt resigned then the OT we draft this season will play RT for a season before moving to the left side.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-10-2008, 11:32 AM
out of Colon, Simmons, Kemo, and Mahan (hopefully not), we will have two decent guards.

Smith and Starks, Essex (who was solid when called upon), and a 1st round OT would be plenty enough to manage the year, honestly the line cannot be as bad as last year, it's impossible. And faneca was highly overrated in passprotection.

Center is my only real concern, and Simmons or stapleton could do adequately enough, they couldnt do any worse than mahan is what I mean

Great post. I agree that Simmons, Colon, Kemo are good enough guards to start.

Smith will start at LT and if Starks is signed then he plays RT for a season. If not, then Colon is there again and the rookie backs up for a season before playing RT probably, but maybe LT the next season.

There are a few good centers in the 09 draft and that is where the real long term answer for the Steelers is at center.

RJC
03-12-2008, 09:36 AM
But, I just think that this whole O-Line issue is truly and easy fix. Actually, simple. To me it's a question of a slight reshuffling of the deck.

LT/Marvel Smith: Hopefully his back is healthy. If so, he stays right where he is.

LG/Chris Kemoeatu: A big bodied dude with a meanstreak. Will be murder in the run game.

C/Kendall Simmons: Our most athletic OL. He should be able to learn to snap the damn ball from not to September. Put him in the middle, and utilize his pulling ability.

RG/Willie Colon: Another brawler. Short arms and slow feet make him an ideal candidate to play in the "phone booth". Slide him 1 spot down.

RT/Max Starks: Get his contract done. He was a starter on a Super Bowl winning team. He was "transitioned" for a reason. He's part of the long term.

Top Backups become Mahan at C/G. Essex at G/T. Then Cappizzi at T.

That's 8 active OL for game day. We don't need to draft another one if we really didn't want to. No one on that unit is old and in dire need of replacement. Use this draft to find replacement players for ageing or broken guys like Hines Ward, Deshea Townsed, Aaron Smith, or Dan Krieder. If they absolutely have to take a OL, they can draft a guy like Heath Benedict in the 3rd to add a little youth.

I honestly think it's that simple.....

BettisFan
03-12-2008, 10:05 AM
Big Ben was the most sacked QB last season we need to upgrade our line and fast.