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zulater
03-10-2008, 09:41 PM
Let's not forget the simple truth that us "average" folk RARELY get these "second" chances. Athletes and stars get off way too easy IMHO.

I disagree, I think in nearly any case a first time offender being charged with 2 misdemeanors would be given a second chance provided they complied with the terms of whatever judgement was handed down.

tony hipchest
03-10-2008, 09:45 PM
Maybe someday, if I try real hard I can reach the level of wife beater or heroin dealer? Maybe then and only then will I be accepted by a few on here who seem to think having a clean record is a bad thing. I hope, I really do.


i have a clean record too. its not for lack of trying though!

:wink02:

HometownGal
03-10-2008, 09:46 PM
and HTG do u think that evrything has to be such a thing has abuse??? i was just making references to where most ppl deserve a 2nd chance..

Striking someone in the face with an open hand after breaking down a door and busting her cell phone in half? Yes - I'd certainly call that abuse and I believe most people with a smidgeon of a brain cell would, as well.

I don't feel anyone's words have been twisted in this thread - we all have varying opinions on this matter and when all is said and done, we aren't the ones deciding James Harrison's punishment or fate.

Atlanta Dan
03-10-2008, 09:48 PM
did i ever say he should get a pass???? i don't think i did.... unless u are dyslexic... on this post from ppl i see cut him left and right.. all i am saying is that b4 u say cut him he should be given a 2nd chance to play..

and HTG do u think that evrything has to be such a thing has abuse??? i was just making references to where most ppl deserve a 2nd chance..

If you do not want to be asked that question then might I suggest you not post observations such as this

i like it how evryone on this dumbass board is trying to act all civial like they never did anything wrong

"Evryone" [sic] on this "dumbass" board is not acting all "civial" [sic] by saying Harrison should be cut - I have posted that a 4 week suspension seems appropriate if the charges are corrrect

By your election to attack "evryone" who is not defending Harrison it is not unreasonable to ask whether you think he should get a pass.

lilyoder6
03-10-2008, 09:54 PM
i'm defending that harrison shouldn't be cut for a misdemeanor... i'm not defending him in the way that he should get a pass

83-Steelers-43
03-10-2008, 09:56 PM
i have a clean record too. its not for lack of trying though!

:wink02:

Well hell, you ready?

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/245628~Natural-Born-Killers-Posters.jpg

You wear wigs tony? :cheer::wink02:

Atlanta Dan
03-10-2008, 10:00 PM
i'm defending that harrison shouldn't be cut for a misdemeanor... i'm not defending him in the way that he should get a pass

Fair enough :cheers:

SteelCityMan786
03-10-2008, 10:06 PM
I was busted for underage drinking at a Rolling Stones concert with my older sister (who wasn't drinking and who was also driving us home).

Who in the hell get's busted at a Rolling Stones concert for underage drinking by undercover cops? Yeah, your looking at him. They didn't arrest me though. Wrote down my information in a van and let me back out. Paid a fine and that was that.

Maybe someday, if I try real hard I can reach the level of wife beater or heroin dealer? Maybe then and only then will I be accepted by a few on here who seem to think having a clean record is a bad thing. I hope, I really do.

I'm clean after 16 years. Still looking to keep it that way.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-10-2008, 10:14 PM
If you think this board is so "dumbass" - why are you still here?
.

EXACTLY.

This is like pi$$ed off radio show fan that calls in to complain about the format......instead of just turning the dial:banging:

83-Steelers-43
03-10-2008, 10:22 PM
I'm clean after 16 years. Still looking to keep it that way.

More power to you SCM. I wish you all the best. It's not worth it. :cheers:

BlastFurnace
03-10-2008, 10:25 PM
How about that Woodley at LOLB. I think he's going to turn heads this season.

Steeldude
03-10-2008, 10:43 PM
a suspension is not necessary.

lilyoder6
03-10-2008, 10:46 PM
i said ppl on this dumbass board..

but more to u scm for being clean

fansince'76
03-10-2008, 10:53 PM
i said ppl on this dumbass board..

Such eloquence for someone with the writing skills of a preschooler. :coffee:

Preacher
03-10-2008, 11:27 PM
Oh, come on. That poor kid wouldn't stand a chance now that you have TWO people ganging up on him.

:chuckle:

tony hipchest
03-10-2008, 11:59 PM
You wear wigs tony? :cheer::wink02:

lmao.

all the time! :fro:

Preacher
03-11-2008, 12:02 AM
lmao.

all the time! :fro:

Hey there Frony..

whats up?

BettisFan
03-11-2008, 12:03 AM
Hey preacher good find, yea when i first saw this i was totally outraged, I hope this doesnt linger on.

Preacher
03-11-2008, 12:16 AM
a suspension is not necessary.

:pity:

cubanstogie
03-11-2008, 12:26 AM
I agree - if it's true, goodbye James.

goodbye James for a misdemeanor? Suspension, sure but goodbye I think is a little to severe. Nobody knows what the circumstance was. Maybe she cheated on him, who knows. With that said, I don't think there ever is a reason to strike a woman unless she is attacking you , you have a right to defend yourself. It was open handed and no injuries occurred. These guys are not role models. We need to accept that. Most of these guys are thugs and if it werent for pro sports these guys would be in prison or the streets selling crack. If players were shown the door for conduct such as what James is charged for there would be no NFL. We have murderers, drug dealers, street fighters, guys smoking pot daily, DUI's weekly, I could go on forever. We Steelers fans must face the facts. Our team is no different than any other in the league. Sure some are worse than others , all you have to do is look at the Bengals, Pats and Ravens to figure that out. We could not compete with other teams if we had choir boys only. Sorry those are the facts. The only role models left are parents in my opinion, there are some exceptions. Politicians, athletes, actors need to stop being looked up to as role models, they are not.

tony hipchest
03-11-2008, 12:28 AM
:pity:
if were lucky, the authorities will just "slap" him on the wrist.

maybe the league will "slap" him with a hefty fine.

:chuckle:

seriously though im curious if the people on this board see a difference in porter slapping that bungle biotch around in vegas, vick killing dogs, and what harrison did.

are they all equal when rated with the sinometer? or is one of the 3 less vile than all others?

im pretty sure porter beating up jones is gonna be semi-accepted and not deemed that vile. what if bill cowher slapped kaye? :thumbsup:

fansince'76
03-11-2008, 12:29 AM
goodbye James for a misdemeanor? Suspension, sure but goodbye I think is a little to severe. Nobody knows what the circumstance was. Maybe she cheated on him, who knows. With that said, I don't think there ever is a reason to strike a woman unless she is attacking you , you have a right to defend yourself. It was open handed and no injuries occurred. These guys are not role models. We need to accept that. Most of these guys are thugs and if it werent for pro sports these guys would be in prison or the streets selling crack. If players were shown the door for conduct such as what James is charged for there would be no NFL. We have murderers, drug dealers, street fighters, guys smoking pot daily, DUI's weekly, I could go on forever. We Steelers fans must face the facts. Our team is no different than any other in the league. Sure some are worse than others , all you have to do is look at the Bengals, Pats and Ravens to figure that out. We could not compete with other teams if we had choir boys only. Sorry those are the facts. The only role models left are parents in my opinion, there are some exceptions. Politicians, athletes, actors need to stop being looked up to as role models, they are not.

Well, I've already said my piece at various junctures throughout this thread. I respect your opinion, and I'd appreciate the same courtesy. Thanks.

Preacher
03-11-2008, 12:34 AM
if were lucky, the authorities will just "slap" him on the wrist.

maybe the league will "slap" him with a hefty fine.

:chuckle:

seriously though im curious if the people on this board see a difference in porter slapping that bungle biotch around in vegas, vick killing dogs, and what harrison did.

are they all equal when rated with the sinometer? or is one of the 3 less vile than all others?

im pretty sure porter beating up jones is gonna be semi-accepted and not deemed that vile. what if bill cowher slapped kaye? :thumbsup:


Your right. A man hitting a man is not on the same level as a man hitting a woman. Especially when they stand opposed, and both are football players. It is still pretty stupid, and I was glad he was already gone.

Vick.. yeah, WAY OVER THE TOP.

cubanstogie
03-11-2008, 12:40 AM
Well, I've already said my piece at various junctures throughout this thread. I respect your opinion, and I'd appreciate the same courtesy. Thanks.

I do respect your opinion. I wish people were held accountable these days, the problem is what James did in pales in comparison to what goes on in the league. As a Steelers fan I just can't see kicking him to the curb for that when other teams have felons. It is not fair. As a father of a daughter and as a husband I think he should have the snot beat out of him by the womens dad or brother if she has any. Now with James they would probably need a gun or weapon. Don't get me wrong I would love for the Steelers to have more class than the rest of the league, I am a realist and just don't think they are any different when it comes to the players. Front office yes, players no.

tony hipchest
03-11-2008, 12:45 AM
Your right. A man hitting a man is not on the same level as a man hitting a woman. Especially when they stand opposed, and both are football players. It is still pretty stupid, and I was glad he was already gone.

Vick.. yeah, WAY OVER THE TOP.

being that vick, nor adam jones have been cut (they are both still the football property of their teams), i think its safe to assume the steelers will not do so with james, even if found guilty.

i know we all love the pristine image the steelers and their players hold, but sometimes shit happens.

this doesnt exonerate harrison by no means, but no matter what, sometinmes "life" happens too.

i would hope this lady wises up, kicks him to the curb, and finds her a new man who will treat her with respect, (even if he works at mcdonalds).

for some reason, i doubt it though.

Preacher
03-11-2008, 02:39 AM
In the latest news a piture of Harrison's GF was just released.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/pir8bill/female-bodybuilder.gif

Man...

That's just wrong...

:puke:

zulater
03-11-2008, 07:11 AM
Your right. A man hitting a man is not on the same level as a man hitting a woman. Especially when they stand opposed, and both are football players. It is still pretty stupid, and I was glad he was already gone.

Vick.. yeah, WAY OVER THE TOP.

What really bothered me about that ordeal with Porter was that he needed a gang to stand up to Levi. It was a punk move, if you don't have the stones to take someone on one on one then stand down. It was so damn weak that I'll never be able to look at Porter the same, just a thug punk. :chicken:

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-11-2008, 09:07 AM
Maybe then and only then will I be accepted by a few on here who seem to think having a clean record is a bad thing. I hope, I really do.

Like you, I spend the majority of my college years studying...with an occassional break for Bible study and taking pets to the nursing home to bring joy to the lives of this countries greatest generation.

One old lady asked for a puppy after I gave her a kitten.

I knocked her out of her wheelchair.

....bitch had it coming.

83-Steelers-43
03-11-2008, 09:14 AM
Like you, I spend the majority of my college years studying...with an occassional break for Bible study and taking pets to the nursing home to bring joy to the lives of this countries greatest generation.

One old lady asked for a puppy after I gave her a kitten.

I knocked her out of her wheelchair.

....bitch had it coming.

Hey, you gotta do what ya gotta do. Begger's can't be chooser's :wink02:

I know underage drinking is not as serious as beating my wife or g/f or getting arrested for pulling out my piece in public and firing off a few shots or selling smack in Garfield, but I'm still learning. I'm trying, I really am. I need a serious crime on my record. This Summer, that's my main goal.

HometownGal
03-11-2008, 11:11 AM
In the latest news a piture of Harrison's GF was just released.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/pir8bill/female-bodybuilder.gif

Well - there we have it. Our replacement for Faneca. :cheer:

nicesteel4life
03-11-2008, 11:18 AM
Ok I was out of town for this in Atlanta, actually got to meet Bettis at the Capitol Grill Restaurant I went to Friday, So here is my take on it, since finding out.

Harrison did wrong period!
Harrison went too far, BUT it could of been worse! MUCH!
Harrison apologized, good but anger management is needed!
Harrison will recieve a slap on the wrist in court, just like we would with clean record!
Harrison will recieve a Court Fine and classes!
Harrison will still be with the same woman!
Harrison will still be a Steeler!
Harrison might get a 1 to 2 game suspension from the league or team!
Harrison will be a better person after all this!
I will still wear my Harrison Jersey at games!

I agree hitting a woman is bad, breaking doors is bad, snapping cell phone is easy!
But we still dont know the entire story and maybe never will

Lets stop the abuse were giving each other in this thread! Set a example!

tony hipchest
03-11-2008, 12:54 PM
terrell owens in a bikini-

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/pir8bill/female-bodybuilder.gif

Dino 6 Rings
03-11-2008, 01:12 PM
that chick could use a slap in the face...she's got a nicer build than me...I'm so jealous...

zulater
03-11-2008, 02:09 PM
that chick could use a slap in the face...she's got a nicer build than me...I'm so jealous...

Yeah the only trouble is she would slap back harder. :ouch:

HometownGal
03-12-2008, 08:58 AM
More on the Harrison assault and the NFL on domestic violence.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08072/864335-66.stm

NFL finds domestic violence difficult to gauge
Dropped charges, few NFL penalties

Wednesday, March 12, 2008
By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

James Harrison is one of a number of NFL players who have been involved in domestic violence incidents in the past several years, though it appears that few have received penalties from the league because charges have been dismissed in many of the cases.

Harrison, a Pro Bowl linebacker with the Steelers, was arrested and charged with simple assault and criminal mischief Saturday after he allegedly assaulted his girlfriend, Beth Tibbott, at her Ohio Township residence. His preliminary hearing has been rescheduled for April 3.

An NFL spokesman said yesterday the league does not provide the number of domestic violence cases against players, partly because many of the cases are "ultimately dismissed."

A most recent example occurred yesterday when a woman who had a restraining order in a domestic-violence case against New England Patriots receiver Randy Moss had the charges dropped.

Last year, former Cleveland Browns running back Reuben Droughns had domestic violence charges against him dropped when prosecutors cited a lack of evidence.

The Steelers saw a similar situation two years ago when receiver Santonio Holmes, their No. 1 draft pick at the time, had charges of domestic violence and assault against him dropped by a municipal court judge in Columbus, Ohio.

Still, there have been cases where players have been punished by the league for incidents involving domestic violence.

The most serious case occurred in 2004 when Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back Michel Pittman was suspended for three games by the NFL after an incident in which he was charged with ramming his Hummer into a car driven by his wife and carrying his 2-year-old child and baby sitter.

Since then, seven players have received one-game suspensions by the league for domestic violence, according to various news reports.

According to a police affidavit, Harrison broke down a bedroom door while his girlfriend was trying to call 911, took her cell phone and broke it in half. Tibbott also said Harrison, who is 5 feet 11, 245 pounds, hit her with an open hand in the face, knocking off her glasses.

Harrison was working out at the Steelers South Side facility yesterday but was unavailable for comment.

Under Pennsylvania law, simple assault is considered a Class 2 misdemeanor punishable by up to two years in prison. Criminal mischief can be considered a felony in the third degree with a maximum prison term of seven years if the damage caused in the incident is in excess of $5,000.

According to a league spokesman, each of the NFL's 32 teams conducts a life-skills session each fall.

Last year, commissioner Roger Goodell instituted a Conduct Management Program for all incoming rookies, requiring them to attend eight one-hour sessions that incorporate video, lectures and discussions designed to teach players how to cope with life in the NFL. The sessions are run by an outside instructor approved by the league and coordinated with each team's player-development director.

Harrison was in his first year as a starter with the Steelers after rising from obscurity as a free agent from Kent State University who was cut three times in his career, twice by the Steelers.

Last fall, Harrison acknowledged that his road to the NFL was not always smooth, in part because of indiscretions as a teenager growing up in Akron, Ohio.

Harrison attended three high schools in Akron. He said he had scholarship offers to Nebraska and Notre Dame rebuffed because he "messed some things up" his senior year at Coventry High School. One of those incidents involved being suspended for two games because he shot a BB gun in the locker room and got off with a fine, avoiding a sentence of six months in prison for felonious assault.

Coventry principal John Hibian, who was the school's athletic director when Harrison played there, said his former student did "stupid little things" that caused Hibian to think Harrison might jeopardize his future in football.

But, after seeing Harrison develop in the NFL and the way he handles himself when he returns to Coventry, Hibian said he saw a change in the Steelers linebacker.

"There is a different air about him when he comes back now," Hibian said. "Ultimately, he has become a mature young man."

Jeremy
03-12-2008, 09:18 AM
I do respect your opinion. I wish people were held accountable these days, the problem is what James did in pales in comparison to what goes on in the league. As a Steelers fan I just can't see kicking him to the curb for that when other teams have felons. It is not fair. As a father of a daughter and as a husband I think he should have the snot beat out of him by the womens dad or brother if she has any. Now with James they would probably need a gun or weapon. Don't get me wrong I would love for the Steelers to have more class than the rest of the league, I am a realist and just don't think they are any different when it comes to the players. Front office yes, players no.

Wrong is wrong. You can't sit there and say that he acted like a punk, but he was less of a punk than another player.

I have zero sympathy for all of these spoiled brats. Tell you what, since he seems to like slapping so much, let's go get someone like the Big Show and let him slap Harrison around doe a little bit. Maybe that'll teach him a lesson.

tony hipchest
03-12-2008, 09:41 AM
Wednesday, March 12, 2008
By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Last year, commissioner Roger Goodell instituted a Conduct Management Program for all incoming rookies, requiring them to attend eight one-hour sessions that incorporate video, lectures and discussions designed to teach players how to cope with life in the NFL. The sessions are run by an outside instructor approved by the league and coordinated with each team's player-development director.

Harrison was in his first year as a starter with the Steelers after rising from obscurity as a free agent from Kent State University who was cut three times in his career, twice by the Steelers.

if this was held at the rookie symposium, it does UDFA rookies like james no good as they are not invited and fall through the cracks. im not sure but i dont think udfa's and non drafted practice squad players receive the same type of awareness programs as those who are actually making the rosters.

BettisFan
03-12-2008, 10:04 AM
In the latest news a piture of Harrison's GF was just released.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/pir8bill/female-bodybuilder.gif

I could have lived my whole life without seeing that. :dang: