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OneForTheToe
03-13-2008, 01:20 PM
After years of labor peace things are going to get ugly in the NFL regarding labor issues.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=3288568&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos3

Thoughts on the article:

Doty [judge who oversees labor issues between NFL and players] calls these get-togethers "Minnesota Nice," and he has followed the practice throughout a distinguished judicial career. They often result in the settlement of irreconcilable disputes. But the NFL executives and lawyers think they were slighted by not being invited into the gathering, and they weren't amused. They launched a scathing and personal attack on Doty and demanded an end to his long-standing role as the arbiter of disputes between the players and the owners.



You would think among highly educated and successful people these sorts of personal issues would not be a factor, but human nature says they almost always are.

And the players went one step further: They filed their own legal action accusing the owners of a "collusion conspiracy" designed to hold down bonuses and salaries.



Tit for tat.

The first step is to opt out of the contract, a move the owners must and probably will make between now and November. Under the terms of the player-owner agreement, the owners' termination of the contract will trigger two more years of salary-cap football, then the 2010 season will be played without a cap on salaries. After the 2010 season and the college draft in spring 2011, the players and owners will be at a critical crossroads.


Lock upall your free agents in a bag and hope, hope and hope.


Now, using their scorn for his Vick decision as a platform, the owners want Doty to remove himself from his continuing supervision of these disputes, opening the door to access to a new judge when the more serious battles begin over the lockout. The players want Doty to remain in his supervisory role over player-owner disputes. The union calls his role one of the "core principles" of the agreement.


Wwwwwhy can't we all just get along?

Upshaw said, "[The owners] just don't like what they agreed to in March of 2006."

I think Upshaw is fuming from being called Paul Tagliabue's patsy all those years. Tagliabue got to ride off into the sunset having "settled " one more labor dispute; now, Upshaw wants to go out proving he can stand up to Goodell and the Owners.

With the two recently filed legal actions, there is no longer any doubt that the owners and players are on a collision course. Instead of prospering together, they will be meeting each other in court and tossing around words such as "collusion" and "decertification" and "lockout." Unless something unexpected happens, the 2011 season is in serious jeopardy.



Bring on the CFL. :jawdrop:

polamalu82
03-13-2008, 01:56 PM
Sounds like a bunch of s@#t. Hopefully they will work something out.

Jeremy
03-13-2008, 02:16 PM
Oh well. It was just a matter of time before this deal blew up in everyone's face.

Preacher
03-13-2008, 02:24 PM
Everything about football has become a business.

If a major strike/lockout is necessary for BOTH OWNERS AND PLAYERS to come to grips with the fact that the whole thing is overblown, then I am all for it.

I am all for lesser TV revenues, lesser salaries, etc. etc.

Hopefully in the end, our multimillion dollar cry-baby players and billion dollar crybaby owners will realize that the multi hundred and multi thousand dollar fans see them all as spoiled children. Then again, maybe there is a Santa Claus as well.

MACH1
03-13-2008, 02:27 PM
Everything about football has become a business.

If a major strike/lockout is necessary for BOTH OWNERS AND PLAYERS to come to grips with the fact that the whole thing is overblown, then I am all for it.

I am all for lesser TV revenues, lesser salaries, etc. etc.

Hopefully in the end, our multimillion dollar cry-baby players and billion dollar crybaby owners will realize that the multi hundred and multi thousand dollar fans see them all as spoiled children. Then again, maybe there is a Santa Claus as well.


Bring on the Scabs......:cheer:

Dino 6 Rings
03-13-2008, 02:50 PM
This actually plays into the current deals being signed this year, getting players on paper beyond the 2011 fiasco.

By the way, I don't care if my uncle Joe Schlump the Midget is in the Black and Gold, I'll be rooting for my Steelers.

The NFL will not allow what happened to the NHL happen to it. If I'm wrong, remind me in 3 years from now.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
03-13-2008, 02:51 PM
Well we also have Mark Cubans league to look forward to.

rbryan
03-13-2008, 02:59 PM
Cuban needs to stay focused on buying the Pirates.

atrus20
03-13-2008, 03:25 PM
Bring on the Scabs......:cheer:

XFL anyone? :thumbsup:

tony hipchest
03-13-2008, 04:13 PM
I am all for lesser TV revenues, lesser salaries, etc. etc.

.so anhauser busch, cialis, viagra, charmin should all get dirt cheap advertizing rates to use grown men who sacrifice their bodies, to pimp their products?

are we gonna take money out of the atheletes hands so a major multi billion dollar corporation like AT&T or sprint can increase their profit margins even more?

if you take money out of the atheletes hands, it just goes back into wealthy shareholders hands.

BlastFurnace
03-13-2008, 04:27 PM
I'm a huge Baseball fan, but every year I know my Reds are going to suck because they can't financially compete. If the Steelers get to that point of not being able to keep up with the "Jones's", it will ruin yet another league that I am really passionate about.

Preacher
03-13-2008, 06:33 PM
I think his point was just that the commercialization of the game has gotten out of hand. I can't argue with that. How can I, when the football team closest to me actually played in a stadium called "Monster Park" for the past several years?

You da monster!

and yeah, that was exactly my point. That and the fact that they have lost touch with reality of the average person.


And Tony. If you have a 401K, a mutual fund, or anything like that, chances are, YOU are a shareholder in those companies as well.

Edman
03-13-2008, 06:56 PM
I'm not surprised. The NFL is not perfect right now. So many things wrong. Like Rookies getting offered ridiculous amouts of money on their contracts for doing absolutely nothing in the NFL.

lilyoder6
03-13-2008, 07:49 PM
i guess players aren't happy making millions a yr more than most ppl make in there life...

SteelCityMan786
03-13-2008, 08:16 PM
i guess players aren't happy making millions a yr more than most ppl make in there life...

They might want to make actually a few billion.

Tankus_Maximus
03-13-2008, 09:20 PM
XFL anyone? :thumbsup:

Sweet!

Maybe I can make the roster for the L.A. franchise, this time around!

Oh, wait...I'll be 3 years older and still "too short for a guard, too slow for a fullback".

Well, that was fun while it lasted.

tony hipchest
03-13-2008, 10:37 PM
And Tony. If you have a 401K, a mutual fund, or anything like that, chances are, YOU are a shareholder in those companies as well.then as a shareholder, i want the companies to pay top dollar for primo advertizing to get the maximum return on my dollar.

the nfl has already had capitalism taken out of it with the installation of the salary cap.

are you suggesting the nfl should take a full on communistic approach where all the players (laborers) get paid pennies on the dollar? all 32 qb's each get $500,000 peryear, regardless of how they play.

jake delhomme gets paid as much to do a commercial as brette favre or peyton manning?

companies pay top dollar for sb ads cause thats how they reach one of the broadest markets and get the biggest bang for their buck (sell the most products). people tune in just to see the commercials.

i want michael jordan or tiger woods selling my product. i have no problem when they get a huge return for building up an entire corporation or franchise.

its the american way.

otherwise the govt should just take control and provide nfl football to the fans for free, as a public service.

:hunch:

pittsburghp8baller
03-13-2008, 10:42 PM
jus another reason to why i have been following less and less of football. by our last game i was already looking ahead to the baseball season

rbryan
03-13-2008, 11:05 PM
You're quite an optimist to be looking forward to baseball if you're a Pirate fan.

pittsburghp8baller
03-13-2008, 11:57 PM
You're quite an optimist to be looking forward to baseball if you're a Pirate fan.

for some reason im always optimistic this time of the year. i will probably get a hard hit of reality in about a month but until then.

and dont get me wrong i love the steelers, football is the first sport i played and if it wasnt for my shoulder i might be at college playing baseball and football, the steelers are the first team i followed and i will always follow but for some reason this year i couldnt get into the games like i use to. maybe i am too into hockey (dont play it anymore but still my fav sport) and the pens. i mean i missed the first half of the steelers-ravens monday night game because i was watching the pens shutout the devils 5-0.

Stu Pidasso
03-14-2008, 12:09 AM
HEY! I liked the XFL! I still wear my Hitmen hat every once in a while...

BettisFan
03-14-2008, 12:16 AM
if there is no steelers i will die

fansince'76
03-14-2008, 08:42 AM
i guess players aren't happy making millions a yr more than most ppl make in there life...

It's not the players who have heartburn over the current agreement, it's the owners. However, both sides are greedy as hell.

Counselor
03-14-2008, 10:07 AM
It's not the players who have heartburn over the current agreement, it's the owners. However, both sides are greedy as hell.

Unfortunately, its going to be the owner problem that is going to cause the biggest headache and have the most ramifications for our beloved Steelers. Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Buffalo, Cincy, and other mid to small market teams are going to be stuck between a rock and hard place. The big market/big money teams continually push to keep more of their own revenue, and don't care as much about uncapped years, because it won't affect them as much---especially if they get to keep more of the money.
The only way the mid-small markets stay competative is with a cap and with revenue sharing. Hoepfully the NFL will not go the way of MLB where only the Yankees and Red Sox are perenial contenders. Thats when I stop watching.

lilyoder6
03-14-2008, 10:18 AM
u know jerry jones is talking.. b/c he loves to throw his money around...

BettisFan
03-14-2008, 10:37 AM
Jeez man this better not happen

randy06
03-14-2008, 11:30 AM
hopefully, and i say that loosely, something will happen and we can avoid all of this

stlrtruck
03-14-2008, 12:10 PM
If the players, owners, and league truly believe that this game, "Is for the fans," then we have nothing to worry about...

Oh wait, what am I saying. It hasn't been about the fans in a very long time!!!!

BettisFan
03-14-2008, 03:44 PM
They better come to a compromise!!

Dino 6 Rings
03-14-2008, 04:57 PM
Folks, relax...

I seriously doubt that owners like Rooney's who just committed sick money on a Franchise QB or an owner like Jerry Jones who is spending sick money on a 100,000 person stadium, are really going to "lock out" players.

Its all talk, just talk. There needs to be a Salary Cap so the NFL doesn't end up like Baseball with the haves and have nots. A level will be met and the FA market will be reigned in slightly with more bonus payouts on the front end to guys.

The more I listen to Upshaw, the more I dislike the guy as the Players Rep. He's got to give a little and look at the big picture.

Bottom line, A scab in the Black and Gold, Knocking out a scab in Browns Orange feels just as good to witness.

tony hipchest
03-14-2008, 06:25 PM
Folks, relax...
.really. no need for texasfan to get in such a suicidal panic.

lilyoder6
03-14-2008, 08:10 PM
i would actually like to see the start salaries of the rookies to go down.. and i mean the number 1 pick had a 50-60 mill contract.. hey def def need to lower draft pick money..

MACH1
03-14-2008, 08:12 PM
if there is no steelers i will die

Or switch to another team, say like the texas$'s....:wink02:

fansince'76
03-14-2008, 08:12 PM
The only way the mid-small markets stay competative is with a cap and with revenue sharing. Hoepfully the NFL will not go the way of MLB where only the Yankees and Red Sox are perenial contenders. Thats when I stop watching.

Agreed. And I'll be right there with you - no longer watching. I'm not interested in watching assclowns like Snyder and Jerry Jones buy the damn SB every year.

BettisFan
03-14-2008, 11:13 PM
Or switch to another team, say like the texas$'s....:wink02:

no man, but honestly it would be a horrible year its hard enough during offseason

HometownGal
03-15-2008, 05:46 AM
Or switch to another team, say like the texas$'s....:wink02:

Guys - please knock it off, OK? Pretty please with a piece of cheese on top? :smile:

MACH1
03-15-2008, 11:06 AM
Did somebody say..........

http://www.britishcheese.com/cmfiles/169/Choose%20Cheese%20yellow%20&%20red%20logo%20from%20Paul%20at%20Liquid%20design .jpg

:sofunny:

GeneralRobinson
03-15-2008, 12:51 PM
Gene Upshaw will have no problem walking away from the table in the next round of negotiations. He was sitting in a restaurant toasting the 2007 uncapped year after talks broke off hours before the CBA extention deadline in 2006. Commissioner Tagliabue had to beg to get him to come back to the bargaining table.

Tagliabue: "Gene, tell me, what will it take to move the [free agency] deadline?"
Upshaw: "Paul, I can't move the deadline."
Tagliabue: "Is there any way you'll consider moving the deadline?"
Upshaw: "Only under one circumstance: Take my proposal to Dallas for the owners, with no changes, and give it a yes or no vote. That's it."
Tagliabue: "I'll call you right back."


There is a large amount of saber rattling going on right now. However, I would speculate that if this scenario is repeated in the next round of negotiations, Upshaw will not give in.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2387218