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lamberts-lost-tooth
04-08-2008, 06:35 AM
First lets look at what has happened so far....the Steelers have added OC Justin Hartwig and Sean Mahan is most probably going to be a OG/backup OC. The Steelers also cut Cedric Wilson. Losing Wilson doesn?t change the top three WRs on the team... but it does open the possibility of drafting a developmental WR. Keyaron Fox has been added to our roster as a backup LBer...and "hopefully" a special teams demon. Likewise, Melwede Moore, a third-down running back and kick return specialist was added for depth and for special teams.

Every year, we all start clamoring for our Steelers to trade down and pick up more draft picks. Traditionally, my instinct ist that we will stay with our initial pick.

For a trade down to occur... it takes our willingness to move down the draft and possibly miss out on some good players in order to pick up additional picks...you have to find a trading partner that wants not only to trade up, but to trade up to your team?s pick. That involves so many factors that are out of any team?s control that its often vitually impossible for it too happen ( and harder to predict).....However, this year the Steelers may actually have an opportunity to trade down .

To be tempted to trade...a team must want a player that is not likely to be there when they pick because that player may be wanted by a team with picks immediately after the Steelers. ...in this case the Titans Seahawks and Jags. (In other words they need to leapfrog these teams picking directly after the Steelers)

The Titans and Jags need DL or DE....so the possibility that a team could trade with the Steelers in order to get, say, Kentwan Balmer....or Philip Merling is a possibility. The Titans also need a WR, so if another team really wants/needs James Hardy, Malcolm Kelly or DeSean Jackson, they could trade up with the Steelers. There are other needs but the top two are most Likely DL or WR..... So what teams would trade up for those positions? We can eliminate the three teams I just mentioned and we can eliminate those teams in our division....sooooo.

At WR....we may see Chicago...Washington.... Buffalo....and Tampa Bay. Possibly but maybe not as likely are teams like Miami...Oakland...Philly...New York Jets...and Denver.

At DE we could see a trade with Washington.... St Louis ....Carolina...Houston....Tampa Bay...Carolina...Buffalo or Philly

At DT the two most likely are Atlanta and Denver .....and possibly Indy.....Detroit....Carolina...and Oakland

Since we could "conceivably" use our first round pick on WR and DE, teams may have to think hard about making that trade or losing a player they covet.

So in order... what are the possibilities....???


Dolphins....2nd round pick is at #32...extra 2nd rounder...extra 6th rounder...extra 7th rounder

Rams... 2nd round pick is #33 ...extra pick in the 6th round....extra pick in the 7th

Falcons.... 2nd round pick is #37 and they have an extra 2nd ..an extra third...and an extra pick for Deangelo Hall

Bills ....2nd round pick is #41.... two extra picks in the 3rd and two in the 7th rounds.

Broncos..... 2nd round pick is #42 ..... extra pick in the 4th and 5th rounds.

Bears....2nd round pick is #44......extra 4th rounder and 7th rounder

Redskins.....2nd round pick is #51 ....extra 3rd rounder..and extra 7th rounder

Buccaneers......2nd round pick is #52....

The Panthers and the Eagles also may make a play for our pick.... The Eagles have
an extra 5th round and the Panthers have an extra 3rd round pick.

Now keep in mind......... we wont trade with those teams who will drop us below...say....the #45 slot....so of those teams...that would leave the Bears, Bills, Chiefs, Dolphins, Falcons, Panthers, Rams, and the Raiders as the best-situated trade partners.

If those teams already have used their first round pick on a WR or DL.... it reduces the possibilities. However, the only D-linemen above #23 are Glenn Dorsey and Sedric Ellis...and both those players should go in the top ten. There are about 6-7 WR's that could be takenin the 1st round and maybe 3 of them will be available #23.

So the possibility of a trade is very promising...we will just have to keep an eye on how the 1st round works itsself out before the #23 slot....By watching what some of those possible trade partners do with there 1st pick ..we may be able to see if they are in position to trade in order to "fill a need" with a trade.

Steelers Since '75
04-08-2008, 07:19 AM
In my dream mock draft for the Steelers I have them trading down with the Falcons based on the Falcons taking the BPA with their first pick and then wanting to grab a QB before Miami in the second round. With that 2nd round pick I wanted Quentin Groves and then Sam Baker with our 2nd second round pick... like I said "dream scenario". :wink02:

rbryan
04-08-2008, 08:14 AM
I don't remember the Steelers trading down very often. I'm guessing you may know how many times it's happened in the past.

If anything I think we trade up if one of the OL they like slips down the board and is still available at 15-20.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-08-2008, 08:37 AM
I don't remember the Steelers trading down very often. I'm guessing you may know how many times it's happened in the past.

If anything I think we trade up if one of the OL they like slips down the board and is still available at 15-20.

We are only talking about the possibility...i wouldnt make a bet one way or the other.

Just wanted everyone to be aware of draft day scenerios and how things could unfold by watching the first round...hopefully it wuill make the other teams picks more interesing to the forum members.:thumbsup:

tony hipchest
04-08-2008, 08:47 AM
We are only talking about the possibility...i wouldnt make a bet one way or the other.

Just wanted everyone to be aware of draft day scenerios and how things could unfold by watching the first round...hopefully it wuill make the other teams picks more interesing to the forum members.:thumbsup:for sure.

i dont think the redskins will move up for anyone. it seems they like the new coach having a full arsenal of picks.

this is kinda like last year where we coulda easilly traded with the jets, so they could land revis. instead, they leapfrogged us and traded with carolina (hell of a deal for carolina).

with dallas infront of us, and their recent history of trading down, i think that could be a strong possibility.

i guarantee, if otah or albert start sliding, dallas will be listening to several offers for #22. we better be one of the ones talking. (it will cost us a 6th rounder to move from 23 to 22). :deal:

rbryan
04-08-2008, 09:01 AM
It very well may be a smart move to trade down if the OL we like are gone by 23.

I don't think most fans will look at it that way though....lol

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-08-2008, 10:37 AM
I just posted a scenario where we trade our 1st round pick with the Chiefs for their 2nd and 3rd. How does that work out on the value board??

Rationale is the Chiefs can upgrade OT and QB in the first and we can get 4 picks in the first 3 rounds to address OT, DT, CB, WR.

tony hipchest
04-08-2008, 10:48 AM
I just posted a scenario where we trade our 1st round pick with the Chiefs for their 2nd and 3rd. How does that work out on the value board??

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#23 = 760

chiefs 2nd and 3rd = 775

close enough. :thumbsup: cheifs and steelers have had a favorable trade in the past (johnson for polamalu), too, that would lead both teams to not think either is getting robbed .

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-08-2008, 11:16 AM
#23 = 760

chiefs 2nd and 3rd = 775

close enough. :thumbsup: cheifs and steelers have had a favorable trade in the past (johnson for polamalu), too, that would lead both teams to not think either is getting robbed .

OK, thanks. my thought is the Chiefs can get a QB (Ryan or Brohm) and OT in round 1, much like the Browns did last season and the Steelers can get 4 quality picks in the first 3 rounds.

Herm Edwards needs to get better in a hurry or he will be out of work.

Texasteel
04-08-2008, 05:23 PM
There are several kids that will land in the 2nd and 3rd round that I would love to see play for us. Might be a good idea to start a list.
I think that our best frend may be Joe Flacco, he has been moving up the board quickly and if a couple teams that need a QB falls in love with him one of them may try to move up a little the get him.

MasterOfPuppets
04-08-2008, 06:08 PM
There are several kids that will land in the 2nd and 3rd round that I would love to see play for us. Might be a good idea to start a list.
I think that our best frend may be Joe Flacco, he has been moving up the board quickly and if a couple teams that need a QB falls in love with him one of them may try to move up a little the get him.
if i'm not mistaken, i believe i heard mel kiper say, he now had flaco as the #2 QB on his board.

MasterOfPuppets
04-08-2008, 06:36 PM
#23 = 760

chiefs 2nd and 3rd = 775

close enough. :thumbsup: cheifs and steelers have had a favorable trade in the past (johnson for polamalu), too, that would lead both teams to not think either is getting robbed .:thumbsup:
# 35 (from chiefs) dre moore / DE/DT
# 53....................... chilo rachal / OG
# 66 (from chiefs) jordy nelson / WR
# 88........................ kirk barton / OT


# 123 ......................Jameel McClain / ILB/OLB
# 156........................Dwight lowery / CB
# 188........................Isah gardner / CB

Texasteel
04-08-2008, 07:09 PM
if i'm not mistaken, i believe i heard mel kiper say, he now had flaco as the #2 QB on his board.

I still see him as an early 2nd late 1st. Right about where we are.
I like your 1st four picks but would rather have Duane Brown than Barton.

MasterOfPuppets
04-08-2008, 07:22 PM
I still see him as an early 2nd late 1st. Right about where we are.
I like your 1st four picks but would rather have Duane Brown than Barton.

what good is a 290 lb tackle ??? he'd have to be in a zone blocking system.

Texasteel
04-08-2008, 07:35 PM
what good is a 290 lb tackle ??? he'd have to be in a zone blocking system.

Last time I looked he was listed at 315, he has very good feet, and is quicker that most. He is indead better at pass protection right now, but so are most of the OTs coming out.
I have watched him several times this year and have always been impressed with his work.

MasterOfPuppets
04-08-2008, 08:25 PM
Last time I looked he was listed at 315, he has very good feet, and is quicker that most. He is indead better at pass protection right now, but so are most of the OTs coming out.
I have watched him several times this year and have always been impressed with his work.my bad, i think the info i seen was from his jr season......but check out ....... http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=11685
look at the 2nd paragraph marked 2/8/08......it says 290

Texasteel
04-08-2008, 08:34 PM
That is a little bit of conflicting information isn't it. To tell you the true I think he is really closer to 310.
The one thing that you may or may not like is that he is a converted TE, and has been playing OT for only 3 years, I think, and I have heard some say that he may be a better OG than OT.

MasterOfPuppets
04-08-2008, 08:47 PM
That is a little bit of conflicting information isn't it. To tell you the true I think he is really closer to 310.
The one thing that you may or may not like is that he is a converted TE, and has been playing OT for only 3 years, I think, and I have heard some say that he may be a better OG than OT.WELL......he only put 225 up 24 times.( barton had 34 reps and ran a 4.95) ) he might struggle against the bigger, stronger DT in the league. his speed is his bigger asset, so i'd think tackle would be a better fit.

Texasteel
04-08-2008, 09:09 PM
Don't get me wrong, I would would be happy with Barton. He's a good player from a good school out of the Big Ten, yes I am a Big Ten fan.

By the way, I'm starting to read that Nelson may not make it out of the 2nd round, and is very unlikly to make it to our 3rd round pick. Looks like the only way we may get him is with a trade like this one.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-09-2008, 12:07 AM
I dont think Barton is a 3rd round guy and I still dont like spending a high pick on a guard as I think we have too many guys that can play inside and not enough OT's.

Carl Nicks might be a better prospect in the 3rd if he lasts that long.

Rhee Rhee
04-09-2008, 01:58 AM
I just posted a scenario where we trade our 1st round pick with the Chiefs for their 2nd and 3rd. How does that work out on the value board??

Rationale is the Chiefs can upgrade OT and QB in the first and we can get 4 picks in the first 3 rounds to address OT, DT, CB, WR.

i definitely liek that scenario but seeing as though the chiefs are no where near the playoffs i personally would like to have their first in next year... maybe identical to what the cowboys and brownies did...

and by checking KFFL everyday i have noticed that the steelers are taking HUGE interest in guys that are in the later rounds (i.e 3-7)... im not sure if the steelers do this every year but judging by how many later round guys (i have seen 5 or 6) are coming in for visits i wouldn't be surprised at all if we trade down and get more picks...