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Atlanta Dan
04-14-2008, 07:20 PM
So much for Hillary posing with a jersey with her name on it to lock up Steelers fans votes

Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney today endorsed Sen. Barack Obama in this open letter:

Based on the experiences that I have had in my seventy-five years and my assessment of what I think our nation needs to make real the change that is so needed, I am proud and now feel compelled to endorse Senator Barack Obama.

Senator Obama has rejected the say-and-do anything tactics that puts winning elections ahead of governing the country

Gee - wonder which Democrat candidate does that?:wink02:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_562310.html

Jeremy
04-14-2008, 07:21 PM
So much for Hillary posing with a Steelers jersey

Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney today endorsed Sen. Barack Obama in this open letter:

Based on the experiences that I have had in my seventy-five years and my assessment of what I think our nation needs to make real the change that is so needed, I am proud and now feel compelled to endorse Senator Barack Obama.

Senator Obama has rejected the say-and-do anything tactics that puts winning elections ahead of governing the country

Gee - wonder which Democrat candidate does that?:wink02:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_562310.html

Very interesting coming on the heels of Obama's "bitter" comments.

Very interesting indeed.

GBMelBlount
04-14-2008, 07:26 PM
I'd be interested in knowing if there is an overview somewhere of where Obama stands on the 10 or 20 main issues. I honestly don't know too much about his positions.

Atlanta Dan
04-14-2008, 07:26 PM
Very interesting coming on the heels of Obama's "bitter" comments.

Very interesting indeed.

That endorsement presumably was in the works for some time, but props to Dan Rooney for not running away from Obama as the Clinton slime machine reaches new lows in response to Bittergate

Jeremy
04-14-2008, 07:29 PM
I'd be interested in knowing if there is an overview somewhere of where Obama stands on the 10 or 20 main issues. I honestly don't know too much about his positions.


Here's the Washington Post candidate chooser.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/candidatequiz/

Jeremy
04-14-2008, 07:32 PM
That endorsement presumably was in the works for some time, but props to Dan Rooney for not running away from Obama as the Clinton slime machine reaches new lows in response to Bittergate

Again....very interesting. Obama tries to look cool in California by slamming hard working Pennsylvanians and people find a way to blame it on Clinton.

The moral of this whole story is that Obama is an idiot who can't relate to people who weren't raised rich and privileged.

Atlanta Dan
04-14-2008, 07:35 PM
I'd be interested in knowing if there is an overview somewhere of where Obama stands on the 10 or 20 main issues.

Issues? Issues??!!

These are the sorts of issues on which this election will be turning

"I'm going to tell you something: That boy's finger does not need to be on the button," [GOP Representative Geoff] Davis said. ."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Secrecy_and_propriety_in_Kentucky.html

It depends which cliche pushes your buttons - senile old guy, icy bitch, or uppity black man

BettisFan
04-14-2008, 07:42 PM
Yes!! Go Obama!

Atlanta Dan
04-14-2008, 07:44 PM
Again....very interesting. Obama tries to look cool in California by slamming hard working Pennsylvanians and people find a way to blame it on Clinton.

The moral of this whole story is that Obama is an idiot who can't relate to people who weren't raised rich and privileged.

As opposed to working class heroes Hillary Clinton and John McCain

Clinton is like a running back who will not let the blocks develop - she should let Obama hang himself rather than suddenly claim her daddy taught her how to shoot (while refusing to say when she last pulled a trigger) and knocking back a shot of Crown Royal.

As for stupid, you do not make Harvard Law Review if you are dumb. As for not relating to anyone other than rich and privileged, which one grew up with a single mother, which one grew up in the upper middle class burbs of Chicago, and which one grew up the son of an Admiral Of the three candidates, do you think McCain or Clinton have not had at least as many strings pulled on their behalf?

Black@Gold Forever32
04-14-2008, 08:13 PM
Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I to endorse Senator Obama.....Obama in 08

tony hipchest
04-14-2008, 08:21 PM
As opposed to working class heroes Hillary Clinton and John McCain?

:laughing:

i can hear it now...

"They only endorse Oboma because of the Rooney Rule."

Jeremy
04-14-2008, 08:26 PM
As opposed to working class heroes Hillary Clinton and John McCain

Clinton is like a running back who will not let the blocks develop - she should let Obama hang himself rather than suddenly claim her daddy taught her how to shoot (while refusing to say when she last pulled a trigger) and knocking back a shot of Crown Royal.

As for stupid, you do not make Harvard Law Review if you are dumb. As for not relating to anyone other than rich and privileged, which one grew up with a single mother, which one grew up in the upper middle class burbs of Chicago, and which one grew up the son of an Admiral Of the three candidates, do you think McCain or Clinton have not had at least as many strings pulled on their behalf?

I'm trying to figure out which one grew up with a single mother, because it wasn't Obama.

Obama is a sham...plain and simple. It's mind boggling to me how anyone can continue to back this socialist lawyer who hasn't had to do a real day's work in his entire priviliged life.

But I guess some folks like that kind of thing.

Atlanta Dan
04-14-2008, 08:39 PM
I'm trying to figure out which one grew up with a single mother, because it wasn't Obama.

.

Maybe you should read more before popping off (I am not a mod so i will return fire:chuckle:)

Then, when Obama was almost 1, his father left for Harvard to get a Ph.D. in economics. He had also been accepted to the New School in New York City, with a more generous scholarship that would have allowed his family to join him. But he decided to go to Harvard. "How can I refuse the best education?" he told Ann, according to Obama's book.

Obama's father had an agenda: to return to his home country and help reinvent Kenya. He wanted to take his new family with him. But he also had a wife from a previous marriage there—a marriage that may or may not have been legal. In the end, Ann decided not to follow him. "She was under no illusions," says Abercrombie. "He was a man of his time, from a very patriarchal society." Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964, citing "grievous mental suffering"—the reason given in most divorces at the time. Obama Sr. signed for the papers in Cambridge, Mass., and did not contest the divorce.

Ann had already done things most women of her generation had not: she had married an African, had their baby and gotten divorced. At this juncture, her life could have become narrower—a young, marginalized woman focused on paying the rent and raising a child on her own. She could have filled her son's head with well-founded resentment for his absent father. But that is not what happened.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-3,00.html

TIme magazine is not exactly some obscure underground publication.

What exactly do you define as "work" and a "privileged" life? Obama is not some trust fund baby

zulater
04-14-2008, 09:31 PM
Perhaps Dan views this as some sort of extension of the "Rooney rule"?:wink02:

Honestly I could care less who Rooney or anyone else endorses. Does anyone really base their vote on who their favorite teams owner endorses? That would certainly be pathetic. :coffee:

millwalldavey
04-14-2008, 09:47 PM
I studied political science in college... and I can just no longer get excited or interested in the politics on a national level in ths country anymore.

It does not matter who endorses whom... if you dont have the $$$ you truly have no voice.

Preacher
04-14-2008, 09:52 PM
So much for Rooney being a Republican.

zulater
04-14-2008, 10:17 PM
So much for Rooney being a Republican.

His Father was and many of his brothers are, but Dan's always been a Democrat.

HometownGal
04-14-2008, 10:26 PM
Perhaps Dan views this as some sort of extension of the "Rooney rule"?:wink02:

Honestly I could care less who Rooney or anyone else endorses. Does anyone really base their vote on who their favorite teams owner endorses? That would certainly be pathetic. :coffee:

Couldn't have said it better myself, zu. :thumbsup:

I love Dan Rooney, but I could give two sharts about who he endorses. If he's comfortable with his choice, more power to him.

Preacher
04-14-2008, 10:31 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself, zu. :thumbsup:

I love Dan Rooney, but I could give two sharts about who he endorses. If he's comfortable with his choice, more power to him.

Yeah.. but I still hope his care doesn't start on the way to vote!

:oops:

oops... I bear no responsibility. . ..

Edman
04-15-2008, 01:44 AM
Dan Rooney is a token hire supporter.

There. I said it.

zulater
04-15-2008, 08:20 AM
If Rooney were to form an NFL "Owners for Obama" club, I'll bet he wouldn't need to find a big meeting hall. :laughing:

Godfather
04-15-2008, 11:31 AM
His Father was and many of his brothers are, but Dan's always been a Democrat.

Really? That's kind of surprising considering the R's have always been the anti-immigration party and Art Sr. grew up in a time when the Irish were very unpopular.

verks36
04-15-2008, 11:41 AM
obama just tells people what they want to hear he will say something so different 2 two different types of people

1rst he endorses all the white collar workers now when hes in Pitt he is all for the "hard working blue collar people"

lilyoder6
04-15-2008, 11:43 AM
evryone that runs tells u what u want to hear.. it's as simple as that

Dino 6 Rings
04-15-2008, 12:45 PM
Who does Ben endorse? Or Troy? Or Hampton or Tomlin?

Who cares really. Just selling the local paper in PA.

Steeler in Carolina
04-15-2008, 07:13 PM
I am surprised he came out with an endorsement.

stillers4me
04-15-2008, 07:22 PM
Is endorsing Obama part of the "Rooney Rule"??

revefsreleets
04-15-2008, 09:03 PM
Wow, Dan, how dare you present Jeremy with facts! How DARE YOU!?!

I'm not surprised at this. Rooney has always been sensitive to his audience. He made a comment about really not wanting to gouge fans on ticket prices when interviewed about the price of the Big Ben contract, and the guy is probably the only owner in the NFL that can say something like that without it smacking of absolute horse shit. Can you imagine Jerry Jones trying to foist that off in the press?

Obama is a class guy...he's a little "in over his head" though, and I can't imagine the Clinton Murder Inc crowd letting him last too much longer. If there's dirt, they'll find it, if there ain't, they'll manufacture it, and if they come up with nothing, well, maybe the guy really does have a chance. I hope that's the case. He's articulate, a great orator, intelligent, interesting and charismatic...he'd make a great US PR figure in the international community if nothing else.

I'm a McCain guy and have been for years, but I'd be interested to see what Obama would bring to the table. Fact is, the President doesn't wield nearly the power that most people assume he does. And I'm reasonably sure that, just like every other President that's been elected in my time, if Obama gets into office, the World won't implode within 6 months like all the extremist pundits always pontificate about.

Jeremy
04-16-2008, 09:39 AM
Maybe you should read more before popping off (I am not a mod so i will return fire:chuckle:)

Then, when Obama was almost 1, his father left for Harvard to get a Ph.D. in economics. He had also been accepted to the New School in New York City, with a more generous scholarship that would have allowed his family to join him. But he decided to go to Harvard. "How can I refuse the best education?" he told Ann, according to Obama's book.

Obama's father had an agenda: to return to his home country and help reinvent Kenya. He wanted to take his new family with him. But he also had a wife from a previous marriage there?a marriage that may or may not have been legal. In the end, Ann decided not to follow him. "She was under no illusions," says Abercrombie. "He was a man of his time, from a very patriarchal society." Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964, citing "grievous mental suffering"?the reason given in most divorces at the time. Obama Sr. signed for the papers in Cambridge, Mass., and did not contest the divorce.

Ann had already done things most women of her generation had not: she had married an African, had their baby and gotten divorced. At this juncture, her life could have become narrower?a young, marginalized woman focused on paying the rent and raising a child on her own. She could have filled her son's head with well-founded resentment for his absent father. But that is not what happened.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-3,00.html

TIme magazine is not exactly some obscure underground publication.

What exactly do you define as "work" and a "privileged" life? Obama is not some trust fund baby


His mother remarried and he lived with family in Hawaii during high school.

Counselor
04-16-2008, 10:27 AM
I find this endoresement intriguing in that it comes on the heals of Bob Casey's endorsement of Obama.
Seems like the more conservative "pro-life" and Catholic dems are endorsing Obama. (despite his voting record on the devisive issue of abortion---which often prevents these types of endorsements)

At its core, this appears to be a backlash against the Rendell/Philadelphia democratic political machine which has controlled PA for years now (and for which Onorato and Little Lukie are puppets)

klick81
04-16-2008, 10:51 AM
OBAMA, OBAMA! :tt:

Dino 6 Rings
04-16-2008, 12:39 PM
Dino 5 Rings officially endorses Hannah Montana!!!

Counselor
04-16-2008, 04:32 PM
Dino 5 Rings officially endorses Hannah Montana!!!

Please! Do you really want a president who lies about her name----pretending to be someone she's not---distancing herself from her heritage as Billy Ray Cyrus's daughter just to gain votes(fans)!

Don't even get me started on her questionable relationship with the Jonas Brothers . . .I hear they don't put their hand over their hearts for the pledge of allegiance! :wink02:

cubanstogie
04-16-2008, 09:07 PM
just proves you don't need political sense to own a football team. I wish these high profiled people would keep who they vote for confidential so I wouldn't have to lose respect for them. Obama is a racist, and his wife and other cirlce of friends are american haters as well. Which is fine, everyone entitled to their opinion but It would not make him a good candidate to run the country IMO. We don't need a left wing radical running the country. Socialism is a bunch of BS.

zulater
04-16-2008, 10:34 PM
Really? That's kind of surprising considering the R's have always been the anti-immigration party and Art Sr. grew up in a time when the Irish were very unpopular.

Oh well that's what he was according to what Jim O'Brian wrote in his biography of Rooney titled "The Chief." I can't remember exactly what page it was on, but it's in there. The book's well worth the search, great read. :thumbsup:

Jeremy
04-17-2008, 09:31 AM
just proves you don't need political sense to own a football team. I wish these high profiled people would keep who they vote for confidential so I wouldn't have to lose respect for them. Obama is a racist, and his wife and other cirlce of friends are american haters as well. Which is fine, everyone entitled to their opinion but It would not make him a good candidate to run the country IMO. We don't need a left wing radical running the country. Socialism is a bunch of BS.

Yes, because the right wing radicals that have been running the country have been doing such a great job the last 8 years!

Preacher
04-18-2008, 08:57 PM
Yes, because the right wing radicals that have been running the country have been doing such a great job the last 8 years!

Right wing radical? Really?

Most of us on the right wing really don't consider him too conservative. In truth, he is a moderate that has alienated the conservative part of this party.

Atlanta Dan
04-18-2008, 09:21 PM
Right wing radical? Really?

Most of us on the right wing really don't consider him too conservative. In truth, he is a moderate that has alienated the conservative part of this party.

He ran as a "compassionate conservative" and Rove threw red meat to the base but I agree he certainly has betrayed the conservative principle of limited government (deficit spending, Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, the "unitary executive" who attempts to override civil liberties and the other branches of government on the ground that it is not illegal if the Chief Executive says it is legal) across the board.

The W regime is all about a bid for absolute power corrupting absolutely and has nothing to do with such labels as "right wing" or "left wing." His failures transcend any ideological pigeon hole.

tony hipchest
04-18-2008, 09:27 PM
In truth, he is a moderate that has alienated the conservative part of this party.well, atleast he did something right. :stirthepot:

:chuckle:

Preacher
04-18-2008, 10:36 PM
He ran as a "compassionate conservative" and Rove threw red meat to the base but I agree he certainly has betrayed the conservative principle of limited government (deficit spending, Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, the "unitary executive" who attempts to override civil liberties and the other branches of government on the ground that it is not illegal if the Chief Executive says it is legal) across the board.

The W regime is all about a bid for absolute power corrupting absolutely and has nothing to do with such labels as "right wing" or "left wing." His failures transcend any ideological pigeon hole.


Dan.. I like you a lot..

but this post is way over the top.

His claims of executive authority pale in comparison to those in the 1800's or even WWII.

Steel Buckeye
04-18-2008, 10:43 PM
I don't really care if Dan Rooney endorses Obama, but I endorse Obama too so I'm cool with it. McCain and Hillary are both wrong for America. The only problem I see with Obama is lack of experience. As for W, his presidency has been one huge disaster after another. I would have to agree with Atlanta Dan on that one.

Preacher
04-18-2008, 11:01 PM
I don't really care if Dan Rooney endorses Obama, but I endorse Obama too so I'm cool with it. McCain and Hillary are both wrong for America. The only problem I see with Obama is lack of experience. As for W, his presidency has been one huge disaster after another. I would have to agree with Atlanta Dan on that one.

Funny how half of america always thinks a president is a huge disaster....

Carter and Clinton--- huge disasters for republicans

Reagan, Bush and Bush 43, huge disasters for democrats.

Fact is, every president is going to be a huge disaster for half the population.

Atlanta Dan
04-18-2008, 11:22 PM
Dan.. I like you a lot..

but this post is way over the top.

His claims of executive authority pale in comparison to those in the 1800's or even WWII.

Preach - I like you too but your references to the 1800s (you have to be referring to Lincoln since the office was pretty powerless for most of that century) and FDR are red herrings

Was I defending FDR's internment of Japanese-Americans in WW II? - No

Was I defending Lincoln's suspension of the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War - No

But I find it hard to believe a conservative such as yourself can slough off my descriptions of how the Bush Administration has responded over its tenure with respect to civil liberties as "over the top".

For an evisceration of the Administration's attempt to circumvent the writ of habeas corpus, these observations by Antonin Scalia, among other Supreme Court opinions issued in recent years, are enlightening:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-6696.ZD.html

With regard to senior Administration officials parsing which methods of "coercing" information from prisoners might be suitable during meetings in the White House, John Aschroft is quoted as having stated:

"Why are we talking about this in the White House?" [ABC News] quoted Ashcroft as saying during one meeting. "History will not judge this kindly."

http://www.military.com/news/article/report-torture-talk-at-white-house.html

I admit my opinions on this have been impacted by having recently read The Terror Presidency, a book by Jack Goldsmith, a former head of the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel in Ashcroft's DOJ, who explains at length in that book the basis for his withdrawal of a number of DOJ opinions supporting the legality of certain "coercive methods"

Goldsmith says he remains convinced of the seriousness of the terrorist threat and the need to take aggressive action to combat it, but he believes, quoting his conservative Harvard Law colleague Charles Fried, that the Bush administration “badly overplayed a winning hand.” In retrospect, Goldsmith told me, Bush “could have achieved all that he wanted to achieve, and put it on a firmer foundation, if he had been willing to reach out to other institutions of government.” Instead, Goldsmith said, he weakened the presidency he was so determined to strengthen. “I don’t think any president in the near future can have the same attitude toward executive power, because the other institutions of government won’t allow it,” he said softly. “The Bush administration has borrowed its power against future presidents.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/09/magazine/09rosen.html?ref=magazine

You and I can disagree over this Administration's conduct, but with all due respect there are numerous card carrying conservatives who have served at the highest levels of this and other Republican Administrations who have issued far more articulate and far more blistering reviews of this Administration's conduct than I have ever expressed around here.

I stand by my opinion and see nothing "over the top" about it.

revefsreleets
04-18-2008, 11:35 PM
Great points, Dan, but the REAL problem is that we just have no effing idea how to deal with the problem. There isn't a nefarious conspiracy or plot to rule the world as much as there is a scramble to try and figure out what the Hell is going on.

I will again reference Mark Sageman's "Leaderless Jihad". It's a must read and a real eye-opener...

Jeremy
04-19-2008, 10:24 AM
well, atleast he did something right. :stirthepot:

:chuckle:

Conservatives are always willing to sell their souls to the highest bidder anyway.

HometownGal
04-19-2008, 10:43 AM
Funny how half of america always thinks a president is a huge disaster....

Carter and Clinton--- huge disasters for republicans

Reagan, Bush and Bush 43, huge disasters for democrats.

Fact is, every president is going to be a huge disaster for half the population.

Excellent post, Father. :thumbsup: No matter who is ultimately elected, there is going to be a large sect of people who are going to find fault with him (and the "him" includes Hillary) somehow, whether deserved or not.

In this election, I have no alternative but to go with my gut.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/PGHLADYmlg/WhoGives08.jpg

Atlanta Dan
04-19-2008, 11:46 AM
Great points, Dan, but the REAL problem is that we just have no effing idea how to deal with the problem. There isn't a nefarious conspiracy or plot to rule the world as much as there is a scramble to try and figure out what the Hell is going on.

Agreed, but the "ready fire aim" go it alone approach of this Administration (with regard to dealing with the purportedly co-equal branches of the U.S. government) has blown up in its collective face - democracies with a republican (little r, not big GOP R) form of government are an admittedly messy way to govern but autocracy is supposed to be the way of the Russian and Chinese governments, not this nation.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=ee167382-bd16-4b13-beb7-08effe1a6844

GBMelBlount
04-19-2008, 11:57 AM
Conservatives are always willing to sell their souls to the highest bidder anyway.

I can see that your lips are moving but all I keep hearing is farting sounds.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-19-2008, 01:18 PM
Conservatives are always willing to sell their souls to the highest bidder anyway.

The intelligence of your rebuttal makes me feel the need to warn you....as an active duty member of our armed services, you should never play Russian Roulette with your automatic pistol.:doh:

Preacher
04-19-2008, 06:39 PM
Agreed, but the "ready fire aim" go it alone approach of this Administration (with regard to dealing with the purportedly co-equal branches of the U.S. government) has blown up in its collective face - democracies with a republican (little r, not big GOP R) form of government are an admittedly messy way to govern but autocracy is supposed to be the way of the Russian and Chinese governments, not this nation.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=ee167382-bd16-4b13-beb7-08effe1a6844


I understand what your saying...

However, congress trying to end the war after voting on it... when they have no constitutional power over foreign policy after approval is just as damaging.

The fact is, all three parts of our government is broke because the exec. and leg. branches are too interested in politics and not interested enough in actually governing. As a result, the judicial branch has become politicized as well.

Preacher
04-19-2008, 06:41 PM
Hey Dan...

Congratulations to the both of us...

It took us almost 3 months into the off-season to get into one of these debates!

:wink02:

Atlanta Dan
04-19-2008, 08:35 PM
Hey Dan...

Congratulations to the both of us...

It took us almost 3 months into the off-season to get into one of these debates!

:wink02:

LOL

But the draft is next week so we will have some real Steelers news to focus on soon enough

HometownGal
04-19-2008, 08:39 PM
Our 3 candidates:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/PGHLADYmlg/Stooges.jpg

Preacher
04-19-2008, 09:03 PM
Our 3 candidates:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/PGHLADYmlg/Stooges.jpg


Hilarious!!

Preacher
04-19-2008, 09:05 PM
LOL

But the draft is next week so we will have some real Steelers news to focus on soon enough

Tell you this much... from where I sit, it feels like an eternity!

Imagine how the kids feel waiting to be drafted.

Cape Cod Steel Head
04-19-2008, 09:21 PM
Bravo Dan!!!!! If you were on the fence this should put you on the "right" side!

revefsreleets
04-20-2008, 09:18 AM
Tell you this much... from where I sit, it feels like an eternity!

Imagine how the kids feel waiting to be drafted.
Gotta admire Joe Thomas going fishing with his dad. I REALLY wish that kid was in the B&G.

X-Terminator
04-21-2008, 01:40 AM
If anybody here thinks that change in Washington is going to happen with any of these three candidates, you need to get your heads out of the sand. One of them will win and maybe get some token legislation passed that they support, but then it'll be business and politics as usual no matter how much Obama in particular goes on and on about "putting the people's interests ahead of special interests." Money and power rules all in D.C., plain and simple.

It is absolutely sad and scary that we can't come up with better candidates than these stooges. I'm sick of having to vote for the lesser of two evils in every single election.

Preacher
04-21-2008, 01:45 AM
Bravo Dan!!!!! If you were on the fence this should put you on the "right" side!

:doh:

that would be the left side... which is the side of weakness in antiquity

:chuckle: