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steelymcmatt
04-22-2008, 11:33 AM
I've been giving a lot of thought to what we're going to do with the # 23 pick. I've been in the majority thinking we're going O-line, but I'm starting to seriously reconsider. Think about this:

1. I'm not convinced our O-line is as bad as everyone thinks. After all, FWP was on pace to be the leading rusher in the NFL until he broke his leg. We gave up a lot of sacks last year, but it was less than the year before, and with a line that was together for the first time, with very little opportunity to gel in the preseason. With the addition of Hartwig allowing Mahan to move back to a position better suited to him, with Big Ben getting more used to more used to calling protections, and with the line having all pre-season to gel (NOTE TO TOMLIN: please avoid the musical chair front line we had last pre-season).

2. This draft is deep in O-lineman. We can probably pick up a quality player in the second if not third or fourth round.

3. We had the #2 defense last year, but our pressure came largely from our linebackers, not our defensive line. We can expect more of that this year with the emergence of Timmons and Woodley as every down players, but it would be nice to get more pressure with our front 3. A penetrating D-line would certainly help to erase the ills of our backfield.

4. Speaking of our backfield.....it was DECIMATED by injuries last year. Polomalu missed several games, Clark missed half the year etc. I'm not so sure that with them back healthy we need to panic when a quarterback drops back. Still a need to be addressed in rounds 2 or 3, but not round 1.

With all that being said, I believe we are going defensive line with our first pick, however I'm not convinced that's going to be at # 23. I could easily see us trading back to the end of the 1st with the 49ers, or even further back into the beginning of the 2nd with the Falcons.

What say you?

DACEB
04-22-2008, 12:13 PM
Well matty, welcome to my world. I truly believe for us to compete with the brutal schedule we have next year, we must improve the defensive depth. Our defense was #1 last year, but we suffered quite a bit after we lost Clark on the back end, and Smith up front.

The pressure will pretty much always come from the LB's in the 3-4, but we need an upgrade at RDE. Keisel was much more productive when he backed up Kimo. We do need an upgrade in pass-rushing from the D-linemen when we line up with four down linemen in passing situations. I look for a DE and OLB to be brought in through the draft to help bolster the pass rush. The Giants proved you can never have enough bodies to rotate in and out of the front seven.

I know we need help on the O-line, but I too believe the line can play much better with the addition of Hartwig and moving Starks and Colon back to their natural positions. We set records on offense last season with poor O-line play, and the WRs currently on the roster. Big Ben will find a way to make plays and win, give him just a little more consistency from the O-line and another year for everyone in Arians system, this offense can be better as is.

Don't worry matty, it's probably just me and you who feel this way here in the forum. But, I have a feeling you and I will be happy come draft day. I predict defense on the first day. No matter what your absolutely right, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

rdsovchen
04-22-2008, 12:52 PM
If they do decide to go defense, IMO it would have to be by way of trading down! At # 23 there is no defensive prospect on the board worthy of reaching for. Trading down would be a nice avenue to look into, obviously to aquire an extra pick in the second or third rds. Keep in mind everybody hypes up the top names on the boards all the way through draft day...but in many positions, this is a very deep draft class and trading down could benefit us greatly. The Steelers do have a fantastic scouting department and it would not surprise me at all if this is the route they take.

Although at # 23 I am an advocate for drafting Sterwart!

DACEB
04-22-2008, 01:14 PM
Stewart raises my couriosity quite a bit. I would love to see what he could do in our system. I love FWP, his value, his work ethic, his team mentality, his speed. Sometimes I wonder about his vision as a RB. Stewart has played in a one back spread offense, which Arians likes to run. He is also known as an 'inbetween the tackles RB'. Not to mention, he's big like someone else we knew and loved.

I still have faith that we could go into next season with the same offensive players and be successfull. Ben will always make plays, we need to be able to stop people. We need to be feared again on defense. We might have been ranked #1 on defense, but we did'nt scare any offense at the end of last season.

Rhee Rhee
04-22-2008, 07:22 PM
At # 23 there is no defensive prospect on the board worthy of reaching for.

i personally think that kenny phillips is worth a 23rd overall pick and if albert, stewart,otah,williams and talib are gone and it's between balmer, phillips and cherilus i'd have a tough time saying no to either but me personally i am leaning on phillips...

Give It To Abercrombie
04-23-2008, 12:30 PM
1. I'm not convinced our O-line is as bad as everyone thinks. After all, FWP was on pace to be the leading rusher in the NFL until he broke his leg. We gave up a lot of sacks last year, but it was less than the year before, and with a line that was together for the first time, with very little opportunity to gel in the preseason. With the addition of Hartwig allowing Mahan to move back to a position better suited to him, with Big Ben getting more used to more used to calling protections, and with the line having all pre-season to gel (NOTE TO TOMLIN: please avoid the musical chair front line we had last pre-season).

2. This draft is deep in O-lineman. We can probably pick up a quality player in the second if not third or fourth round.

3. We had the #2 defense last year, but our pressure came largely from our linebackers, not our defensive line. We can expect more of that this year with the emergence of Timmons and Woodley as every down players, but it would be nice to get more pressure with our front 3. A penetrating D-line would certainly help to erase the ills of our backfield.

4. Speaking of our backfield.....it was DECIMATED by injuries last year. Polomalu missed several games, Clark missed half the year etc. I'm not so sure that with them back healthy we need to panic when a quarterback drops back. Still a need to be addressed in rounds 2 or 3, but not round 1.

With all that being said, I believe we are going defensive line with our first pick, however I'm not convinced that's going to be at # 23. I could easily see us trading back to the end of the 1st with the 49ers, or even further back into the beginning of the 2nd with the Falcons.

What say you?

I agree almost completely. I think d-line is high on the priority list but aside from Balmer, I don't see any d-linemen worth a #23 pick. I like Groves but he's more of an edge rusher, not a 3-4 DE. Where would he play? I more expect to see Red Bryant, Dre Moore, Pat Sims, Jason Jones, or Ahtyba Rubin in rounds 2-3 or Langford or Hayden from Wisconsin in 4-5.

steelymcmatt
04-23-2008, 03:42 PM
I agree almost completely. I think d-line is high on the priority list but aside from Balmer, I don't see any d-linemen worth a #23 pick. I like Groves but he's more of an edge rusher, not a 3-4 DE. Where would he play? I more expect to see Red Bryant, Dre Moore, Pat Sims, Jason Jones, or Ahtyba Rubin in rounds 2-3 or Langford or Hayden from Wisconsin in 4-5.

I agree. My preference has been to trade out of #23 and get a second and a third, giving us two seconds and two thirds. However, if we stay at #23 I think we go with Balmer or Campbell.

Elvis
04-23-2008, 04:01 PM
Rhee Rhee, I am sorry but I have to say that I would chose Cherilous in that scenario. Phillips would not be a dissapointment for me though, we need a FS to team with Troy and I think that last year the Hurricanes Whole Team just had a down year.
:hatsoff:

SteelFist
04-23-2008, 04:52 PM
I've been giving a lot of thought to what we're going to do with the # 23 pick. I've been in the majority thinking we're going O-line, but I'm starting to seriously reconsider. Think about this:

1. I'm not convinced our O-line is as bad as everyone thinks. After all, FWP was on pace to be the leading rusher in the NFL until he broke his leg. We gave up a lot of sacks last year, but it was less than the year before, and with a line that was together for the first time, with very little opportunity to gel in the preseason. With the addition of Hartwig allowing Mahan to move back to a position better suited to him, with Big Ben getting more used to more used to calling protections, and with the line having all pre-season to gel (NOTE TO TOMLIN: please avoid the musical chair front line we had last pre-season).

2. This draft is deep in O-lineman. We can probably pick up a quality player in the second if not third or fourth round.

3. We had the #2 defense last year, but our pressure came largely from our linebackers, not our defensive line. We can expect more of that this year with the emergence of Timmons and Woodley as every down players, but it would be nice to get more pressure with our front 3. A penetrating D-line would certainly help to erase the ills of our backfield.

4. Speaking of our backfield.....it was DECIMATED by injuries last year. Polomalu missed several games, Clark missed half the year etc. I'm not so sure that with them back healthy we need to panic when a quarterback drops back. Still a need to be addressed in rounds 2 or 3, but not round 1.

With all that being said, I believe we are going defensive line with our first pick, however I'm not convinced that's going to be at # 23. I could easily see us trading back to the end of the 1st with the 49ers, or even further back into the beginning of the 2nd with the Falcons.

What say you?


I say you are absolutely.............................Correct :thumbsup:! I have to agree with you. And with the exception of Jonathan Stewart, I would like to see them go defense in the first round. I like Mike Jenkins, Jerod Mayo and Quentin Groves. All three of these guys will be playmakers at the next level.

Galax Steeler
04-24-2008, 04:55 AM
Talking deffense I saw a mock draft that had us taking mayo the linebacker out of tennessee.

steelymcmatt
04-24-2008, 06:23 AM
Talking deffense I saw a mock draft that had us taking mayo the linebacker out of tennessee.

That would GREATLY suprise me, especially after drafting a LB in the 1st 2 rounds last year. Having said that, I wouldn't HATE the pick!

Aussie_steeler
04-24-2008, 08:18 AM
If they do decide to go defense, IMO it would have to be by way of trading down! At # 23 there is no defensive prospect on the board worthy of reaching for. Trading down would be a nice avenue to look into, obviously to aquire an extra pick in the second or third rds. Keep in mind everybody hypes up the top names on the boards all the way through draft day...but in many positions, this is a very deep draft class and trading down could benefit us greatly. The Steelers do have a fantastic scouting department and it would not surprise me at all if this is the route they take.

Although at # 23 I am an advocate for drafting Sterwart!

Like this post a lot.

I think a trade down will give ultimate value to address some obvious needs of both D and O. If I had 4 picks in rounds 2 & 3 I would take a DE, OLB, CB and OT. That would make me very happy considering the depth available at those positions.

Retooling both the O and D lines will take at least 3-5 years. Going into the 2007 season there was a need to start rebuilding the defence and Timmons and Woodley started that process. To continue that process this year we should be happy to see either DE, OLB or CB be taken in the first 3 rounds. The time for NT and FS will come soon.

The retooling of the O line unfortunately starts this year due to last few drafts. (Offensive skill players exist fortunately due to the last four drafts.) I think a minor commitment has been made to Max Starks that he can be the future LT. Apart from Kendalls RG spot I think all other positions will be rebuilt over the next 3 - 4 drafts. (And it must start with center in 2009)

Stockpiling some picks and lucky selections in rounds 4 - 7 over the next few years will see a dominant period for coach Tomlin ( much like Cowhers early years).

Just be thankful that the Steeler organisation has enough quality across the board to allow our rebuilding phases to still produce playoff calibre teams. Remember that most of the NFL franchises want to be just like the steelers and rebuilding through the draft is one of them.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-24-2008, 11:49 AM
Aussie is right. Drafted O linemen dont improve a team overnight and there needs to be some improvement started this season. D-line is getting old, but is still good and probably a second priority.

I think a trade down for another pick is a good move, but if a solid O lineman like Cherilus or Otah is still there I think they will be the pick.

steelymcmatt
04-24-2008, 02:03 PM
Talking deffense I saw a mock draft that had us taking mayo the linebacker out of tennessee.

I heard Peter King on sirius NFL radio saying that also. Not sure I buy it.....I'm comfortable with our linebacking corp as it is. Having said that, I wouldn't be mad if it happened, which I know is all Kevin Colbert and Mike Tomlin care about (keeping me happy!). I've heard Mayo on sirius NFL a couple of times and have been very impressed by the kind of kid he is.

Give It To Abercrombie
04-24-2008, 07:58 PM
I heard Peter King on sirius NFL radio saying that also. Not sure I buy it.....I'm comfortable with our linebacking corp as it is. Having said that, I wouldn't be mad if it happened, which I know is all Kevin Colbert and Mike Tomlin care about (keeping me happy!). I've heard Mayo on sirius NFL a couple of times and have been very impressed by the kind of kid he is.

I thought the same way until I read one article that pointed out our LB depth and near future. Say Harrison sticks around and teams with Woodley at OLB for the next few years. Timmons slides inside and replaces Foote this year or next. Then Foote and Farrior are both probably gone. Who's left? This upcoming year sounds amazing with Woodley/Farrior/Foote/Harrison with Timmons in the wings. Whats that lineup look like in two years? I now fully expect a LB (in or out) in the early rounds, maybe even 1st or 2nd.

NJarhead
04-24-2008, 08:40 PM
I still think we need to groom a LT for next year. Otherwise I believe we are in the fortunate postion of taking the best player available (save QB & TE). Just my opinion.

Rhee Rhee
04-25-2008, 02:11 AM
I thought the same way until I read one article that pointed out our LB depth and near future. Say Harrison sticks around and teams with Woodley at OLB for the next few years. Timmons slides inside and replaces Foote this year or next. Then Foote and Farrior are both probably gone. Who's left? This upcoming year sounds amazing with Woodley/Farrior/Foote/Harrison with Timmons in the wings. Whats that lineup look like in two years? I now fully expect a LB (in or out) in the early rounds, maybe even 1st or 2nd.

harrison is gonna be gone in 2-3 years... he's 29 and i think he signed a contract through 2010... i hope we dont try to retain him when he leaves and we find an adeqate replacement (maybe cliff avril?)... also mayo this year wouldn't be half bad as by 2010 we could have a LB corp similar to

avril/Timmons/Mayo/Woodley... that lineup would just be plain sick...(then again i highly doubt we use two straight picks on LBers yet again this year but a man can dream...)

Galax Steeler
04-25-2008, 04:50 AM
harrison is gonna be gone in 2-3 years... he's 29 and i think he signed a contract through 2010... i hope we dont try to retain him when he leaves and we find an adeqate replacement (maybe cliff avril?)... also mayo this year wouldn't be half bad as by 2010 we could have a LB corp similar to

avril/Timmons/Mayo/Woodley... that lineup would just be plain sick...(then again i highly doubt we use two straight picks on LBers yet again this year but a man can dream...)

Them four players right there would be a dream on the same team together.

madsteelerfan51
04-26-2008, 03:58 AM
that is a true statement

Steelers43fan
04-26-2008, 08:57 AM
i personally think that kenny phillips is worth a 23rd overall pick and if albert, stewart,otah,williams and talib are gone and it's between balmer, phillips and cherilus i'd have a tough time saying no to either but me personally i am leaning on phillips...

If Im picking a safety in the first round it's Terrell Johnson from Arkansas Stae, who by the way has moved past Phillips. Plus the guy can play corner leaving the possibility of moving Townsend to safety..al-la what we did With Rod Woodson.
Many people thinks Phiilips is living off past players at his position(at Miami Fla) and that he's nowhere near as good as those that came before him.