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Hapa
04-27-2008, 03:27 PM
The steelers took Bruce Davis, a DE in the 4th round.

I really can't understand this, especially because they took a linebacker later in the draft.

NFL.com describes him here: Davis did very well in his first extended time as a linebacker at the Senior Bowl. He's a classic Steeler type of player. Davis is very bright and has a knack for getting to the quarterback with his speed.

I guess Tomlin was looking for a pass rusher? Because he's way too small to play 3-4 DE he only weighs 252 lbs.

So now, there are still major needs on the D-Line.

Unless they're still looking at converting 4-3

Texasteel
04-27-2008, 03:35 PM
I though Davis was a good pick. He has shown that he can get to the QB consistantly. I think he will be line up outside with Woodley for a long time with Timmons between them. The LBr they took late is an inside LBr and will probably develop into a nice backup player, but I think they got him mostly for ST.

revefsreleets
04-27-2008, 03:49 PM
He's a pass rushing specialist. What, 25 sacks over the last two years in a good conference? That's why they picked him.

Steelers43fan
04-27-2008, 04:51 PM
Answer this! When's the last time the Steelers have drafted a bad Linebacker. (Timmons, is to early to know about also)

revefsreleets
04-27-2008, 05:10 PM
Easy. Zo Jackson.

tony hipchest
04-27-2008, 05:13 PM
rian wallace?

BettisFan
04-27-2008, 05:14 PM
trust the men in the draft room they know what they are doing jeez everyone stop questioning lol

RJC
04-27-2008, 05:21 PM
The kid is a 3-4 OLB. We are not going to the 4-3. Repeat 100 times, then stop posting.....

Jeremy
04-27-2008, 05:22 PM
trust the men in the draft room they know what they are doing jeez everyone stop questioning lol

Willie Reid

Rian Wallace

Zo Jackson

Ryan McBean

Orien Harris

Omar Jacobs

Fred Gibson

Drew Caylor

Ivan Taylor

ShutDown24
04-27-2008, 05:33 PM
Willie Reid

Rian Wallace

Zo Jackson

Ryan McBean

Orien Harris

Omar Jacobs

Fred Gibson

Drew Caylor

Ivan Taylor

Ivan 'Ike' Taylor is considered by many outside of our (And I hate to say this) passionate, but un-knowledgable fanbase to be a great corner...

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
04-27-2008, 05:35 PM
The steelers took Bruce Davis, a DE in the 4th round.

I really can't understand this, especially because they took a linebacker later in the draft.

NFL.com describes him here: Davis did very well in his first extended time as a linebacker at the Senior Bowl. He's a classic Steeler type of player. Davis is very bright and has a knack for getting to the quarterback with his speed.

I guess Tomlin was looking for a pass rusher? Because he's way too small to play 3-4 DE he only weighs 252 lbs.

So now, there are still major needs on the D-Line.

Unless they're still looking at converting 4-3


No, there is no depth behind Harrison and Woodley.....thats why

Jeremy
04-27-2008, 05:40 PM
Ivan 'Ike' Taylor is considered by many outside of our (And I hate to say this) passionate, but un-knowledgable fanbase to be a great corner...

Cedric Humes

Noah Herron

Drew Caylor

LaVar Glover

Roger Knight

Danny Farmer

Texasteel
04-27-2008, 05:47 PM
Now, I am hoping that McBean is improving a bunch and can backup the DEs next years.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-27-2008, 05:51 PM
Ivan 'Ike' Taylor is considered by many outside of our (And I hate to say this) passionate, but un-knowledgable fanbase to be a great corner.....:rofl:

Owned.

Jeremy
04-27-2008, 05:54 PM
..:rofl:

Owned.

I post 20 some names that were busts.

One of them was (kinda) wrong.

And I got owned?

Wow.....your standards are pathetically low.

Mosca
04-27-2008, 06:07 PM
If they all made it, then we'd have a team that sucked every year... what with ALL the rookies displacing vets....

I don't know much about the guy. Remember, fun as this is, it's all speculation. There's no way of knowing if an undersized linebacker with a high-pitched motor is going to turn out to be Jack Lambert until they put on the pads. Some of the big name guys are going to be busts. Some of the UDFAs are going to be HOF. Will Davis turn out that way? My bet is, somewhere in the middle; a solid 5 year guy, is my guess.

But look how Harrison turned out. UDFA, 2 years on and off the practice squad, finally Pro Bowl, All Pro, and team MVP. These guys aren't frozen in stone on draft day, after all. They have some say in their own development.

lilyoder6
04-27-2008, 06:08 PM
i was mad we didn't take moore or king w/ the 3rd pcik :(

Jeremy
04-27-2008, 06:10 PM
If they all made it, then we'd have a team that sucked every year... what with ALL the rookies displacing vets....

I don't know much about the guy. Remember, fun as this is, it's all speculation. There's no way of knowing if an undersized linebacker with a high-pitched motor is going to turn out to be Jack Lambert until they put on the pads. Some of the big name guys are going to be busts. Some of the UDFAs are going to be HOF. Will Davis turn out that way? My bet is, somewhere in the middle; a solid 5 year guy, is my guess.

But look how Harrison turned out. UDFA, 2 years on and off the practice squad, finally Pro Bowl, All Pro, and team MVP. These guys aren't frozen in stone on draft day, after all. They have some say in their own development.

It's not that the guy is a bad player, it's that some of wanted something different there. We've been told all off season by Tomlin that the lines need to get better and then on draft day we don't see anything in that same vein.

It's frustrating when you see a team put $100 million in to a franchise QB and then put a patchwork offensive line in front of him year after year.

Mosca
04-27-2008, 09:34 PM
It's not that the guy is a bad player, it's that some of wanted something different there. We've been told all off season by Tomlin that the lines need to get better and then on draft day we don't see anything in that same vein.

It's frustrating when you see a team put $100 million in to a franchise QB and then put a patchwork offensive line in front of him year after year.

I understand, and I read it the same way you do. But it's more my nature to look at what happened and think, "Hmmmmm... why didn't they take any linemen?" Because the flip side is to think that they just forgot to, and that doesn't make any sense. They either thought that the guys available weren't that good, or that last year's problems weren't personnel related. I think it's probably some of both. I think not having a lineman capable of calling out the blocking assignments was huge last year. And a rook isn't coming in and taking that over.

All we can do is wait for the season and see. I posted elsewhere that I think adding the skill guys at 1-2 will go a long way toward solving line problems; I think there will be some guys open for BR at the 2 second mark, which will slow down the blitzing. Don't forget, with the patchwork line and all those sacks, we set a franchise scoring record, with very few defensive and st TDs. And we added two outstanding skill guys to that unit.

Jeremy
04-27-2008, 11:27 PM
Don't get me wrong. I like some of the talent they have up front. I think there's a solid line there somewhere.

But it's still frustrating when you see a project OLB in the 3rd when there were good linemen out there.

verks36
04-27-2008, 11:32 PM
Easy. Zo Jackson.

ya lol was about to say that

Steeldude
04-28-2008, 04:19 AM
Answer this! When's the last time the Steelers have drafted a bad Linebacker. (Timmons, is to early to know about also)

that depends what you mean. a LB benefitting from the scheme or a genuinely good LB. IMO, porter, gildon, haggans and foote are/were merely LBs who benefitted from the steelers 3-4 blitz scheme. they are just average LBs.

the steelers haven't drafted any star LBs since kirkland and brown. actually earl holmes(1996) was pretty good, maybe not a star, but he was above average.

to answer your question, in 2005 they drafted rian wallace. in 2003 they draft alonzo jackson. the steelers didn't draft any LBs in 2006 or 2004.

the jury is still out on timmons and woodley.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-28-2008, 06:15 AM
As I stated in my draft grades...I initially hated the Davis pick...but I have to admit, that it was partially based on my ignorance of Bruce Davis abilities. I have had the time to read up and study Davis and have to say that I am pleasantly surprised about his potential!!!!

I have a bigger problem with the Dixon pick, but I am willing to give the FO a humble thumbs up on third round pick.

DACEB
04-28-2008, 06:34 AM
I like the pick of OLB/DE, and I don't have a problem with Davis. My question is this, the team had him rated above Avril and Wheeler?

This was just another head scratching moment in a draft filled with them (the entire draft, not our picks). Doesn't mean the guy won't be a player.

Mosca
04-28-2008, 08:37 AM
I like the pick of OLB/DE, and I don't have a problem with Davis. My question is this, the team had him rated above Avril and Wheeler?

This was just another head scratching moment in a draft filled with them (the entire draft, not our picks). Doesn't mean the guy won't be a player.

I'm figuring some guys were better, but they were also maxed out on potential. The FO must figure this guy might not be as good TODAY, but has a lot more ability and will take advantage of it.

Jeremy
04-28-2008, 08:39 AM
As I stated in my draft grades...I initially hated the Davis pick...but I have to admit, that it was partially based on my ignorance of Bruce Davis abilities. I have had the time to read up and study Davis and have to say that I am pleasantly surprised about his potential!!!!

I have a bigger problem with the Dixon pick, but I am willing to give the FO a humble thumbs up on third round pick.

LLT, even with the idea that he can't get off of blocks, he struggles with technique, and he takes bad angles?

That has all the sounds of a Zo Jackson to me.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-28-2008, 09:05 AM
LLT, even with the idea that he can't get off of blocks, he struggles with technique, and he takes bad angles?


That has all the sounds of a Zo Jackson to me....

Yeah, but Zo Jackson did something like 14 reps at 225lbs and didnt have the sack totals that Davis put up.

Here is what Kiper said about the Davis Pick.

Bruce Davis fits the Steelers' scheme as an OLB (he had 24.5 sacks the past two seasons).

tony hipchest
04-28-2008, 09:31 AM
so when did the steelers forget how to draft and develop linebackers? i always thought this was a special skill our team had that us fans took pride in. after all, the steelers are looked at as a linebacking factory by the rest of the nfl. its been that way for years (you know that whole "culture and identity" things that many teams dont even have.

and like many factories, sometimes you produce a lemon. that doesnt mean GM gives up, goes out of business or quit producing cars....

they are the steelers and making linebackers is what they do.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-28-2008, 09:39 AM
LLT, even with the idea that he can't get off of blocks, he struggles with technique, and he takes bad angles?

That has all the sounds of a Zo Jackson to me.

I read the same thing...but that is based on his being moved to OLB for one bowl game...he played DE and will need some coaching (at least more than a week...right?) to be able to pick up the technigue needed to play the position.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-28-2008, 11:28 AM
OK guys. I'm a Pac-10 hater, but the guy is an undersized DE that had 24.5 sacks the past 2 seasons and is a 2-time All Pac-10 and 2 time All-american selection. Its prototype guy to convert to a 3-4 OLB. I'm beginning to like the pick.

Personally, I like his production more than Quentin Groves the past 2 seasons.

Coach T obviously likes him as a 3rd down rusher

"(Coach Mike Tomlin) said they'll let me stand up first and second down and play linebacker on third-and-long and passing situations, they'll let me get in my three-point stance and do what I do best," Davis said. "(Tomlin) is an amazing person, and guys love to play for him. Obviously, he loves the game and has energy and passion for the game like I do."

http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_9079200

Galax Steeler
04-28-2008, 01:18 PM
I think this kid will pan out to why would they take a chance on him if he wasn't going to pan out.

DACEB
04-28-2008, 02:15 PM
As much as I would have liked Red Bryant instead, we got a hell of a pass rusher.

This kid is determined to succeed, I'm NOT betting against him.

"People always tell me to calm down or tell me I get too emotional. No, no, no. This game is my life," says Davis, whose father Bruce Sr. also went to UCLA and won two Super Bowl rings as an offensive lineman for the Raiders. "As far as I'm concerned I owe this game everything I have, so every time I go out there on the field I let it go. There's no let up, there's none of that. It's just not in my wiring. When I was little kid, I asked my dad if I could miss practice to go to mall one time and I got smacked in the face. There is no room for complacency with me. I'll never take a day off."

Sometimes desire and determination overcome all those other negatives.

Elvis
04-28-2008, 02:19 PM
Gotta love the way he sounds dont ya? I like everything I am hearing about this young man and I look forward to seeing him rush the passer from the outside and getting his first NFL sack.
This Guy Just Sacks QB's... Is there Anything Wrong with that?:tt02:

revefsreleets
04-29-2008, 08:14 AM
I'd love to see him be the next Kevin Greene.

Jeremy
04-29-2008, 09:23 AM
I'd love to see him be the next Kevin Greene.

Think Mike Vrabel. That's who this cat seems to be most like. Vrabel or Bruschi.

lilyoder6
04-29-2008, 09:37 AM
i heard the day after he got drafted his father brought in a coach of the 3-4 to start teaching him the basics... this kid is determined to play 4 us.. :)

DACEB
04-29-2008, 10:45 AM
Think Mike Vrabel. That's who this cat seems to be most like. Vrabel or Bruschi.

I'd say Vrabel, and that's good company. When we get to see more of him, I think alot of people will think Porter, yes Peezy.