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jjpro11
05-07-2008, 09:38 PM
heres a bit of a preview of what we will probably hear about may 13.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/sports/football/08nfl.html?_r=3&ref=sports&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

A former New England Patriots employee has sent the N.F.L. eight videotapes showing the team recorded play-calling signals by coaches of five opponents in six games between the 2000 and 2002 seasons, in violation of league rules.
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But the group of tapes does not include video of the St. Louis Rams’ walk-through practice the day before the 2002 Super Bowl. The employee, Matt Walsh, had been linked to such a tape by news media speculation.

Walsh emerged as a pivotal figure in the spying controversy that enveloped the Patriots last season after they were caught taping Jets defensive signals in the season opener.

Walsh, who worked for the Patriots from 1997 to 2003, agreed to turn over the tapes and other evidence by Thursday under an agreement reached last month between lawyers for the N.F.L. and Walsh. The agreement indemnifies Walsh from all future legal fees.

Walsh’s tapes show that the Patriots recorded the signals of offensive and defensive coaches in regular-season games against the Miami Dolphins, the Buffalo Bills, the Cleveland Browns and the San Diego Chargers and against the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2002 American Football Conference championship game. In that game, the tape has been edited to show Steelers coaches signaling plays, followed by two different camera angles of the actual plays that were called.

The New York Times obtained a list of the Walsh videotapes. The information was later confirmed by Walsh’s lawyer, Michael Levy, from the Washington offices of McKee Nelson.

The N.F.L. declined to comment Wednesday evening because it did not have the tapes in its possession.

The Boston Herald reported the day before this year’s Super Bowl that a tape of the Rams existed, citing an anonymous source.

Walsh does not possess such a tape, Levy said.

“Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walk-through,” Levy said in a telephone interview. “Mr. Walsh has never been the source of any of the media speculation about such a tape. Mr. Walsh was not the source for the Feb. 2 Boston Herald article.”

On Tuesday, Walsh is scheduled to speak with Commissioner Roger Goodell and Senator Arlen Specter in separate meetings. Walsh could provide additional information at that time, including how the taping worked, how extensive it was, which Patriots employees were involved and the significance of the evidence he handed over.

The first tape is dated Sept. 25, 2000, from a game the previous day. The last is from Sept. 29 two years later. All the tapes are scheduled to arrive at N.F.L. offices Thursday morning.

Levy would not say whether Walsh was behind the camera on each tape, but confirmed that Walsh obtained the first seven tapes during his time in the Patriots’ video department, which ended after the 2002 Super Bowl.

The last tape, in September 2002 against the Chargers, was shot by someone else after Walsh left the video department for a job in the scouting department that ended in early 2003.

The Chargers tape shows raw footage, Levy said, of the San Diego coaches from the Patriots’ sideline, followed by a shot of the scoreboard showing time, down and distance. The tape contains no footage of actual plays during the game, only the sequence, which the Patriots could match to play tape.

The other seven tapes are more sophisticated. They show shots of the opposing coaches’ signals, followed immediately by a shot of the play, usually from the end zone camera, Levy said.

The tape from the A.F.C. championship game is the most extensive, showing two angles of each play.

Goodell has left open the possibility that additional evidence will lead to additional penalties against Coach Bill Belichick and the Patriots. After the Jets game, Goodell levied a total of $750,000 in fines and docked the Patriots a first-round draft pick.

After this year’s Super Bowl, Goodell met with Specter and revealed for the first time that Belichick’s illegal signal filming dated to the beginning of his tenure with the Patriots, in 2000. Some accounts said Belichick admitted to taping defensive signals, others just signals in general.

At the Super Bowl, Goodell said of the Patriots’ practice of taping, “I don’t think it taints their accomplishments.”

Under Belichick, the Patriots rose from one of the league’s middling teams to its best, winning three Super Bowls in four seasons. Last season, they went undefeated until losing to the Giants in the Super Bowl.

Based on a win-loss tally from games after the ones on tapes provided by Walsh, the Patriots went 9-6 against the Dolphins after the first taping. They also went 12-1 against the Bills, 3-0 against the Browns, 4-1 against the Steelers and 3-1 against the Chargers. This included three victories and no defeats in the playoffs.

“We consider the tapes of our coaching staff during our games against the New England Patriots to be a nonissue,” the Steelers chairman Dan Rooney said in a statement released in February.

Telephone messages to the five teams left Wednesday night were not returned.

Since Belichick’s first season in New England, when the Patriots finished 5-11 in 2000, they have gone 86-26 in the regular season, a .768 winning percentage. It remains unclear whether the league will make the tapes public. During the initial investigation into the Patriots, the league accepted seven tapes gathered by the team, dating to 2006, while collecting a written promise that it possessed no more. The N.F.L. destroyed the tapes that the Patriots turned over.

Under the indemnity agreement, Walsh’s lawyer gets to keep one copy of each tape, but cannot release it without the league’s consent.

TackleMeBen
05-07-2008, 09:50 PM
could the hammer start to fall on the pats now?

SteelersMongol
05-07-2008, 09:50 PM
...The Boston Herald reported the day before this year’s Super Bowl that a tape of the Rams existed, citing an anonymous source.

Walsh does not possess such a tape, Levy said.

“Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walk-through,” Levy said in a telephone interview. “Mr. Walsh has never been the source of any of the media speculation about such a tape. Mr. Walsh was not the source for the Feb. 2 Boston Herald article...”

Can anyone help me with this WALK-THROUGH part? What does it mean? Why this one so serious than the other tapes that they made? PLEASE

The Duke
05-07-2008, 09:55 PM
Walsh’s tapes show that the Patriots recorded the signals of offensive and defensive coaches in regular-season games against the Miami Dolphins, the Buffalo Bills, the Cleveland Browns and the San Diego Chargers and against the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2002 American Football Conference championship game

Whoa! now offensive signals too. not that it should surprise us

Based on a win-loss tally from games after the ones on tapes provided by Walsh, the Patriots went 9-6 against the Dolphins after the first taping. They also went 12-1 against the Bills, 3-0 against the Browns, 4-1 against the Steelers and 3-1 against the Chargers. This included three victories and no defeats in the playoffs.


coincidence? I don't think so

The N.F.L. declined to comment Wednesday evening because it did not have the tapes in its possession.

as long as goodell doesn't destroy them :mad:

Is good to be a dynasty isn't it :wink02:

Steelman16
05-07-2008, 10:02 PM
Can anyone help me with this WALK-THROUGH part? What does it mean? Why this one so serious than the other tapes that they made? PLEASE

I'm not an expert on this by any means...but as far as I understand...

Teams generally do a "walk-through" of their scripted plays and packages that they will run in the upcoming game a day or two before the actual game. Usually it's the last practice before gameday. Basically, if another team taped it, it would be like cracking a secret code during war time...

That's, of course, just how I understand it. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.


Being a Steelers fan, I would REALLY like to see that tape of the 02 AFCCG...that just irks me in the extreme. I hope Goodell starts swingin' the hammer hard. We might be called a Nation Felons League, but we should NEVER have to be called the National Cheaters League.

:mad:

Black@Gold Forever32
05-07-2008, 10:24 PM
Come on guys the Steelers special teams gave up two TDs in that AFC title game against the Pats.....One was on a re punt thanks to Troy Edwards making a stupid penalty on the first punt when the Steelers coverage did contain Troy Brown.....I doubt the tape also effected the blocked field goal......Just saying if the Steelers had sound special teams that day we win that game......

I hate the Pats to and I think they should have been punished more for thinking that they were bigger then the NFL.....But I'm not blaming the tapes for the loss in that game.....I also won't blame spy gate for the AFC title game loss to the Pats in Ben's rookie year...Ben was a rookie and it showed in that game...even though he made a nice comeback attempt in that game...

Again I think the Pats should have been punished hard for their arrogance......But how much did the tapes play a part? I think its something we will never know....which sucks and I won't knock anybody for thinking their dynasty is tainted...Thats your right and you do have a point...I just wish this whole story would go away....I'm tired of hearing about...I just hope we crush the Pats this year and knock the crap out Tom Brady....I don't care if the Steelers end his career...I don't like to root for injury on a player but I'm so tired of Tom Brady also...lol

fansince'76
05-07-2008, 10:29 PM
Much ado about nothing at this point. Goodell isn't going to do any more to penalize the Pats* than he's already done and I'm tired of hearing about it already. :coffee:

stillers4me
05-07-2008, 10:54 PM
:popcorn:

BettisFan
05-07-2008, 11:25 PM
so whats the most that can happen to the pats?

verks36
05-08-2008, 12:05 AM
i want to see those tapes realeased to the public so we can see how what they were actually taping

Preacher
05-08-2008, 12:27 AM
so whats the most that can happen to the pats?

If this was a just world... They would put a 10 million dollar cap penalty for the next 3 years, then 5 mill for the following 2, then 2 million for the next 2.

However, it isn't. Nothing will happen.

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
05-08-2008, 02:19 AM
I'm sure Goodell will "dispose" of those tapes too.

Crushzilla
05-08-2008, 02:21 AM
If this was a just world... They would put a 10 million dollar cap penalty for the next 3 years, then 5 mill for the following 2, then 2 million for the next 2.

However, it isn't. Nothing will happen.

Ya. With no new additional information, this is just a formality at this point.

In fact, this is probably all denouement... We're probably just a few weeks away from never hearing about this again.

Rhee Rhee
05-08-2008, 04:17 AM
we'll see if goodell holds to his word and actually does something to his favorite team...

if he doesn't... i want him hanged by his toes...

TackleMeBen
05-08-2008, 09:07 AM
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/beautifulgirl427/kraft_web.jpg
See there were no tapes of the superbowl walkthroughs

Psst, your check is in the mail Mr Walsh

stlrtruck
05-08-2008, 11:39 AM
This definitely left the door open for Good Deal to do nothing.

So much for the integrity of the game.

Stu Pidasso
05-08-2008, 12:27 PM
If there wasn't any walk through footage, then Walsh is the biggest douche on the planet. Even though the news report says "he never said there was any walk-through" footage, he never came forward to dispell the rumor, either.

This may get swept under the rug in the media and the NFL Network, but trust me: The fans will remember for a LONG time. And I WILL be vocal about it at this year's game.

The Patriot
05-08-2008, 08:25 PM
Wow, you guys almost sound disapointed with the turn out.

SteelersMongol
05-08-2008, 09:54 PM
I'm not an expert on this by any means...but as far as I understand...

Teams generally do a "walk-through" of their scripted plays and packages that they will run in the upcoming game a day or two before the actual game. Usually it's the last practice before gameday. Basically, if another team taped it, it would be like cracking a secret code during war time...

That's, of course, just how I understand it. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Being a Steelers fan, I would REALLY like to see that tape of the 02 AFCCG...that just irks me in the extreme. I hope Goodell starts swingin' the hammer hard. We might be called a Nation Felons League, but we should NEVER have to be called the National Cheaters League.

:mad:

Thanks, man. :hug:

BettisFan
05-08-2008, 11:13 PM
if this was a "just" world they would get their superbowl titles taken away

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
05-08-2008, 11:20 PM
I believe that the NFL and Comish. should drop it.........What happened happened.

They should only look at what happends from here on out.

BettisFan
05-08-2008, 11:34 PM
I believe that the NFL and Comish. should drop it.........What happened happened.

They should only look at what happends from here on out.
That makes no sence when someone kills someone he isnt let off becuase it happend a while ago, when someone commits a crime the court system works and works untill they can prove him guilty and then they punish him, in the nfl it would be messed up to so oh well they did it its to bad, because whos to say another team might cheat or even the pats again, what ever they need to be punished.

BettisFan
05-09-2008, 12:24 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=fish_mike&id=3387401

Amazing how much these Patriots cheated its horrible

"From Day 1 of the Spygate saga in September, the controversy over New England's illicit videotaping practices has centered on the Patriots' efforts to steal their opponents' defensive signals. But the tapes delivered via FedEx to NFL headquarters in New York on Thursday morning also include evidence of an effort by New England to steal offensive signals, which would broaden the extent of the team's surveillance operation.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and staff members began viewing the eight tapes within hours of their long-awaited delivery, in anticipation of Tuesday's scheduled interview with former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh. As part of an indemnification pact reached last month with the league, Walsh agreed to turn over any videotapes or related materials he had from his tenure with the team.

Perhaps the surprise entry on the list of videotaping documents Walsh turned over to the league was tape No. 3, labeled "OFF Signals" from New England's game against the Miami Dolphins on Oct. 7, 2001. That is the only tape labeled as such on a copy of the list obtained by ESPN.com. Walsh's attorney, Michael Levy, confirmed it was the lone footage in Walsh's possession of offensive coaches' signaling from the sidelines.

"[It] contains shots of Miami's offensive coaches signaling Miami's offensive players, followed by a shot from the end zone camera of Miami's offensive play, followed by a shot of Miami's offensive coaches signaling Miami's offensive players for the next play, then edited to be followed by a shot of the subsequent Miami offensive play," Levy said of the tape. "And that pattern repeats throughout the entire tape, with occasional cuts to the scoreboard."

Goodell has made repeated references to the stealing of defensive signals by New England. That is, in part, presumably because the league has allowed direct radio communication from a coach to the quarterback since the 1994 season, diminishing the need for hand signals.

"We don't know [about attempts to steal offensive signals] yet because we haven't looked at the tapes," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Thursday before the league had completed its review of the new evidence. "All we have is the list supplied last night [by Walsh's attorney]. One of them is labeled 'OFF signals.' None of others are listed that way. Let us look at the tapes and we'll have more to say about that.

"The rule which the Patriots violated was the policy that prohibits use of equipment for the taping of offensive or defense signals. I know there've been references to defensive signals, which is more logical. But let us look at the tapes and verify what is on there."

Although Walsh turned over eight tapes this week, the number of games in which he personally videotaped opposing coaches is unclear. One source told ESPN.com that it "absolutely" is not the case that the six games on the eight tapes are the only instances the Patriots taped opponents during Walsh's tenure with the team.

One of the eight tapes in the package was shot by someone other than Walsh. It is a Sept. 29, 2002, game against San Diego, which was shot after Walsh was promoted from the video department. That tape captures just the coaches on the sideline, and the scoreboard before the game action is edited in.

The Patriots declined the opportunity to comment on Thursday.

The advancing sophistication in New England's videotaping practices apparently is also evident on the tapes, which begin with a Sept. 25, 2000, game against Miami and run through that 2002 game against San Diego. It's also obvious throughout that the video shooter has one job on game day: to capture the opposing team's sideline coaches.

In one of the last tapes that Walsh shot -- the 2002 AFC Championship Game against the Pittsburgh Steelers -- the finished product includes sideline footage of the Pittsburgh coaches sending in signals, followed by a scan of the scoreboard that captures down, distance and game time, followed by two separate shots of the ensuing play, one from above the press box and the other from an end zone camera.

"The other seven tapes show the final product, which is a series of coaches' signals, followed by the play, followed by coaches' signals and then the next play -- all lined up one after another," said Levy, who represents Walsh. "So the final videotapes contain the opposing coaches' signals lined up directly with the play that was run, one after another."

Goodell is likely to quiz Walsh on these issues at their meeting scheduled for 7:30 a.m. Tuesday. Walsh is scheduled to travel to Washington, D.C., later in the day to meet with Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Specter has been critical of the NFL for destroying evidence turned over in September by New England, including six other tapes and notes from other taped games. Although those tapes only date back to the 2006 season, Aiello, the NFL spokesperson, said Thursday the notes dated to at least the 2002 season.

The notes were destroyed, and Aiello said he is uncertain whether there is any record of the games involved. He did say that Goodell previously informed Specter that details on the taping of the 2002 AFC championship, as well as three other games with Pittsburgh, were part of the notes.

Aiello said it has yet to be decided whether the Walsh tapes will be made public. But as the tapes arrived at the league office in New York, officials were relieved to find the package didn't include a long-rumored video of the St. Louis Rams' walk-through practice the day before the 2002 Super Bowl, which would have put a huge cloud over the league's marquee event.

"That is fair assumption," Aiello said of the feelings of relief in the league office. "I'd rather leave those questions and answers to the commissioner, but it's unfortunate that that had been reported, and apparently there's no substance to it."

tony hipchest
05-09-2008, 01:17 AM
former head coach of the vikings and cardinals was asked to comment on these latest developments-

the patriots* are not who we thought they were.

= cheats + frauds *(x's & o's = 0)

"it is what it is"

Rhee Rhee
05-09-2008, 02:59 AM
people are saying that because they've already been punished and admited that they did spy on these teams spygate will officially end..

that's just great... they were let completely off the hook... great job goodell great job.. be proud of yourself

Galax Steeler
05-09-2008, 04:33 AM
people are saying that because they've already been punished and admited that they did spy on these teams spygate will officially end..

that's just great... they were let completely off the hook... great job goodell great job.. be proud of yourself

What else can you say GOODELL.

rabidsteelerfan
05-09-2008, 09:56 PM
It's comical that it's basically looked at as if it's just the "O hum, same ol same ol"! I mean, the pats* are being viewed just like Charles Barkley! Barkley Say's something totally off the cuff and offensive, but it's just "Charles being Charles"...a new tape emerges of the pats* taping the offence and it's "Just the Pats* being the Pats*".:toofunny:

BettisFan
05-10-2008, 12:45 AM
its gunna be hard to watch the nfl in coming years knowing what the Pats did and not being punished its BS

Elvis
05-10-2008, 06:51 AM
:banging: I'm just sick of hearing about this junk. If they werent going to do anything to the patriots, what is the big deal about getting the tapes? This is just stupid the way the NFL comish is handling things. I just dont think that he knows really what he is doing. Tagliabue just picked the wrong person for this job this time I think.

HometownGal
05-10-2008, 07:00 AM
Maybe the NFL, Belicheat* and some of you feel the matter should be dropped, but there is a certain PA Senator who doesn't feel that way. :toofunny::thumbsup::drink:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08130/880440-66.stm

Specter still skeptical; Steelers await results
NFL says tapes reveal nothing new

Friday, May 09, 2008
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

While the NFL said that videotapes turned over to it in the New England Patriots' spying scandal would reveal nothing new, Sen. Arlen Specter told the Post-Gazette last night that he's not ready to end his inquiry into the matter and that he remains skeptical.

The tapes might actually support the Patriots' contention that they turned all of their evidence of illegal taping over to the NFL.

Although an NFL spokesman said yesterday that league personnel have not yet reviewed the eight tapes, the New York Times reported they show questionable footage of five opponents in six games between the 2000 and 2002 seasons. The most extensive footage involved New England's victory in the AFC championship game against the Steelers in '02 at Heinz Field, the newspaper reported.

Because the Patriots previously acknowledged to the commissioner that they had illegally taped coaching signals in those games, they likely would face no further sanctions from the league.

"What we received [Wednesday] night is a list of the eight tapes that were delivered today," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told the Post-Gazette. "The list indicates that all eight tapes are of opposing coaches' signals, which is consistent with what we already know.

"There is no Rams walk-through tape on the list."

That latter bit of information might be the key to ending the drawn-out matter, which resulted in NFL commissioner Roger Goodell fining the Patriots $250,000 and coach Bill Belichick $500,000 last fall, when the illegal taping was first exposed. He also made New England forfeit a first-round pick in the 2008 draft.

Matt Walsh, a former Patriots video employee who turned over the eight tapes still in his possession, will meet Tuesday morning with Goodell to discuss the issue. Aiello said the commissioner will have a news conference after that meeting, but he did no know if the tapes would be made public.

Walsh then will meet with Specter, R-Pa., in Washington. Specter has been a vocal critic of the way the NFL has handled the case and remained so yesterday.

Specter hopes to find out the details of the taping and how far up in the Patriots organization they had knowledge of it.

"I want to get the specifics of what they did," he said. "From all indications they had the ground camera watching hand signals, and then compared that to the play that went right off. Later, they used that to watch the hand signals. I want to get details on how they gave that to the backup quarterback, who relayed it to the coach and then the quarterback on the field.

"I want to know who authorized it, who knew about it and how far up it went in the chain of command."

Specter said that "they keep changing the goal posts," that the scope of the illegal taping keeps widening in years and in the coverage. He said there's evidence on the new tapes that not only did the Patriots record opponent coach's defensive signals, but their offensive signals as well.

"Who would have gone to that much trouble if it didn't amount to much?" Specter said. "If a guy wasn't skeptical I don't think he'd be awake."

Specter said he's not sure whether he will call for a senate hearing or not, that he wants to hear Walsh first.

"I'm not going to make any judgment on that until I see how it goes. I think we have to take it a step at a time."

In an earlier statement, Specter said: "I think it is very unfortunate that the NFL has already started its 'nothing new' spin before watching the tapes or finding out what Mr. Matt Walsh has to say. Let's see where the evidence leads."

Walsh, now a club golf pro in Hawaii, stated in January that he had further evidence of wrongdoing by the Patriots. Shortly thereafter, the Boston Herald reported that the Patriots illegally taped the St. Louis Rams' walk-through practice the day before New England beat them in the Super Bowl in 2002.

Many assumed that report came from Walsh, but his lawyer, Michael Levy, told the New York Times that "Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walkthrough."

Walsh's January statements led to a nearly four-month negotiation between his lawyers and the NFL that resulted in the tapes being turned over this week. The league has indemnified Walsh against any lawsuits that might arise from member clubs because of his activity.

What is now widely known as Spygate came to the forefront when a Patriots video cameraman was caught in the act on the field in Giants Stadium of taping New York Jets coaches physically signalling plays on the sideline last fall, against NFL rules.

Goodell met with Belichick and other Patriots officials and they turned over tapes and notes that showed they had followed such procedures since 2000, claiming they did not know it violated any rules.

Goodell then meted his punishment and said if more violations turn up that were not revealed to him at that time by Belichick and the Patriots, he reserved the right to further discipline. The commissioner stated he also destroyed all the evidence.

Specter has criticized the NFL for destroying the evidence and has repeatedly called for Goodell to further explain why he did it. Goodell has said on several occasions there was no more use for the data and he did not want it to leak publicly. Specter has threatened to hold Senate hearings into the matter.

Steelers executives, along with former coach Bill Cowher, have said they do not believe any illegal taping had anything to do with any of their losses to the Patriots, who have admitted to illegally taping during four games against them, including both of their AFC championships at Heinz Field.

Yesterday, Steelers spokesman Dave Lockett said: "We're going to wait until the commissioner's investigation is complete. At that point we'll decide if we have any further comment."

Patriots spokesman Stacey James said, "We're withholding comment at this time."

fansince'76
05-10-2008, 10:46 AM
Maybe the NFL, Belicheat* and some of you feel the matter should be dropped, but there is a certain PA Senator who doesn't feel that way. :toofunny::thumbsup::drink:

From Day 1 of the Spygate saga in September, the controversy over New England's illicit videotaping practices has centered on the Patriots' efforts to steal their opponents' defensive signals. But the tapes delivered via FedEx to NFL headquarters in New York on Thursday morning also include evidence of an effort by New England to steal offensive signals, which would broaden the extent of the team's surveillance operation....Perhaps the surprise entry on the list of videotaping documents Walsh turned over to the league was tape No. 3, labeled "OFF Signals" from New England's game against the Miami Dolphins on Oct. 7, 2001. That is the only tape labeled as such on a copy of the list obtained by ESPN.com...."We don't know [about attempts to steal offensive signals] yet because we haven't looked at the tapes," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Thursday before the league had completed its review of the new evidence. "All we have is the list supplied last night . One of them is labeled 'OFF signals.' None of others are listed that way. Let us look at the tapes and we'll have more to say about that."

"What we received [Wednesday] night is a list of the eight tapes that were delivered today," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told the Post-Gazette. "[B]The list indicates that all eight tapes are of opposing coaches' signals, which is consistent with what we already know."

Looks like another Goodell whitewash to me. As far as Specter pursuing the angle of having the league's antitrust exemption stripped if the issue isn't handled to his satisfaction, I don't think it's fair to punish the entire league (including the Steelers) for the actions of one organization full of cheating bastards. In short, yes, I wish the matter would be dropped already.

HughC
05-10-2008, 08:53 PM
From what I've read, there's no earth shaking news. Walsh had no tape of the Ram walk through, it's like Geraldo and Al Capone's vault. I don't want to beat them in a court room or a board room; I want to beat them on the field the same way they beat Washington and a Buffalo last year.

St33lersguy
05-10-2008, 09:02 PM
Goodell should suspend Bill Bellicheater for atleast year, that the LEAST he deserves. He deserves to get banned for good aswell. However seeing how he favors these cheaters, the New England Cheatriots will just get docked one draft pick if that. I wonder how many other games Bellicheater and his team of frauds cheated in.

Texasteel
05-11-2008, 07:38 AM
:banging: I'm just sick of hearing about this junk. If they werent going to do anything to the patriots, what is the big deal about getting the tapes? This is just stupid the way the NFL comish is handling things. I just dont think that he knows really what he is doing. Tagliabue just picked the wrong person for this job this time I think.

This is just all PR Elvis. Goodell was not going to do anything damaging to New England in the 1st place, and he isn't going to do any thing to them now. IMO Goodell has sold 4 Super Bowls very cheaply.

What New England did gave the team a black eye, what Goodell did, and is still doing, gave the NFL a black eye. Fans will not forget.

The Patriot
05-11-2008, 09:53 AM
Didn't Spector state in an interview a couple months ago that there was illegal taping of the Rams walkthrough. Has he followed up on that at all?
but there was filming for the 2002 Super Bowl.
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/03/21/arlen-specter-tells-rush-limbaugh-nfl-is-discouraging-walsh-fr/

Texasteel
05-11-2008, 10:19 AM
Didn't Spector state in an interview a couple months ago that there was illegal taping of the Rams walkthrough. Has he followed up on that at all?

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/03/21/arlen-specter-tells-rush-limbaugh-nfl-is-discouraging-walsh-fr/

As much as I dislike the Patriots, and what they did, I really think the U.S. government has larger problems to take care of other than a football game.

fansince'76
05-11-2008, 10:26 AM
Didn't Spector state in an interview a couple months ago that there was illegal taping of the Rams walkthrough. Has he followed up on that at all?
but there was filming for the 2002 Super Bowl.
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/03/21/arlen-specter-tells-rush-limbaugh-nfl-is-discouraging-walsh-fr/

No, he didn't say that exactly, but I'm not surprised you would take a small part of his statement completely out of context. Here is the full statement:

I think ultimately, Rush, if we get enough fire under it, they're going to have to show those letters -- and when they do, they're going to have to change their tune and let Walsh testify, because those reports are looking pretty strong, but there was filming for the 2002 Super Bowl.

The "but" makes no grammatical sense in this statement, so I'm thinking there was an error in the transcription of the interview - seems to me it makes much more sense when said this way:

because those reports are looking pretty strong, that there was filming for the 2002 Super Bowl.

So, Specter believes that the report about Walsh possessing a walkthrough tape was a pretty strong one. I think anybody that isn't a RW&B Kool-Aid drinking Pats* homer probably felt the same way. Big deal.

And as far as Specter "following up," I think he addressed that as well:

Specter said he's not sure whether he will call for a senate hearing or not, that he wants to hear Walsh first.

"I'm not going to make any judgment on that until I see how it goes. I think we have to take it a step at a time."

In other words, it appears that Specter is holding his horses until at least Tuesday when Walsh actually speaks. Maybe you should, too. Not to worry, though, when Goodell sweeps the rest of this sordid affair under the rug, you can go back to your little fairy tale world where the Pats* are the bestest, most wonderfulest, most classiest organization in the entire sports world. :jerkit: