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BlastFurnace
06-23-2008, 02:15 PM
I started using it last week and my knee's are aching. I am drinking a lot of water as the directions state (about 1 gallon per day). I didn't have this knee pain prior to taking Creating, but since I began, it started.

Have any of you guys that have taken this stuff had this type of reaction? What kind of success did those of you who have tried it have?

CantStop85
06-23-2008, 02:56 PM
Did you up your workout routine or keep it the same since you've been using creatine?

lilyoder6
06-23-2008, 03:49 PM
the only bad thing about creatine right now is that they don't know the long-term affects are.. :( and 85 is right about did u change ur workout regime???

(me i get my muscles the old fashion way of working my ass of lol.. gotta love the protein in ur body)

The Duke
06-23-2008, 04:37 PM
I have never used it myself, and I wouldn't, but I've heard some people having this kinds of problems. some are temporary, others continued so they stopped using it. don't know for sure if creatine was the cause of their problems though

I personally wouldn't use it. why?....

the only bad thing about creatine right now is that they don't know the long-term affects are.. :( and 85 is right about did u change ur workout regime???

(me i get my muscles the old fashion way of working my ass of lol.. gotta love the protein in ur body)



and like lilyoder, I too prefer working my ass. there's no side effects and you know it works

I would advise you to seek a professional though. don't let it get worse

millwalldavey
06-23-2008, 05:21 PM
I used it in the past and never saw anything earth-shattering... The results are temporary and it is apparently not good for your stoach after a while.

Protein! I'm a vegetarian, so sometimes its tough... but I like Clif Builder bars and I have a vegan protein supplement. So think about those options.

BlastFurnace
06-23-2008, 07:36 PM
Did you up your workout routine or keep it the same since you've been using creatine?

I have been doing the P90X routine designed by Tony Horton for about 1.5 years now. It's a pretty intense workout 6 days a week. I wanted to take creatine not to get bigger, but to help with recovery time because my workouts just exhaust me. I have been taking only 5 gm per day in the AM right after working out. I'm really not wanting to get bigger. I just heard that creatine helps with recovery, so I wanted to give it a try.

GBMelBlount
06-23-2008, 08:26 PM
I started using it last week and my knee's are aching. I am drinking a lot of water as the directions state (about 1 gallon per day). I didn't have this knee pain prior to taking Creating, but since I began, it started.

Have any of you guys that have taken this stuff had this type of reaction? What kind of success did those of you who have tried it have?


Yes, I used it for many years and got excellent results. I stopped lifting 12 years ago and just started back. I just finished my loading phase (20 grams) and just went to 10 grams a day for the next 5 weeks. I am aIready getting very good pumps. I have never had any problems with joint pain that I could contribute to anything more than increasing weight and sets and old injuries, wear and tear. Also, you may want to see if there is a particular exercise you are doing, squats, leg presses, etc. or anything else you've changed in your workout or diet. Another thing you can do is go to www.bodybuilding.com and post a thread about it. There are thousands of articles and informational resources on the site as well. Good luck.

X-Terminator
06-23-2008, 08:27 PM
I have been doing the P90X routine designed by Tony Horton for about 1.5 years now. It's a pretty intense workout 6 days a week. I wanted to take creatine not to get bigger, but to help with recovery time because my workouts just exhaust me. I have been taking only 5 gm per day in the AM right after working out. I'm really not wanting to get bigger. I just heard that creatine helps with recovery, so I wanted to give it a try.

I have considered taking creatine to help with recovery, but decided against it since I have altered my workout routine around Tang Soo Do. I only go to the gym 2 days per week now, no longer lift heavy and don't do any workouts with my legs to maintain flexibility during karate, so I doubt creatine would help me. So I stick with my protein supplement, multis and an assload of water every day, and a caffeinated energy drink whenever I'm taking karate.

GBMelBlount
06-23-2008, 08:32 PM
I have considered taking creatine to help with recovery, but decided against it since I have altered my workout routine around Tang Soo Do. I no longer lift heavy and don't do any workouts with my legs to maintain flexibility during karate, so I doubt creatine would help me. So I stick with my protein supplement, multis and an assload of water every day, and a caffeinated energy drink whenever I'm taking karate.

I actually started creatine years ago when I was taking Karate and my instructor remarked how about my power increased even though he didn't know I was taking it. I had asked him about it before I started cycling it and he said he didn't think it would help. I was lifting at the time as well so I can't honestly say I was only taking karate. Also, there are probably alot of strength exercises you can do that won't affect your flexibility that much. Perhaps you are already doing some.

HometownGal
06-23-2008, 09:02 PM
I take as few supps as possible. I drink a whey protein shake every morning and before I go to bed, take a multi-vite, 3 Vite C's and 3 EFA's every day and rely mostly on working the bod as hard as I can 3-4 days per week. I thought about supp'ing with Creatine last year but the more I read about it, the more I decided it just wasn't for me, as I have MVP and don't need or want the extra heart palps.

millwalldavey
06-23-2008, 09:14 PM
I have 2-3 friends who are trainers that tell me the "loading" thing is BS. Basically it sells more creatine. It can't hurt, but not really neccesary.

GBMelBlount
06-23-2008, 09:49 PM
I have 2-3 friends who are trainers that tell me the "loading" thing is BS. Basically it sells more creatine. It can't hurt, but not really neccesary.

Actually, I'm not sure your "friends" are correct. Read up on it at bodybuilding.com. There are "loads" of articles on it by guys that are professional body builders and have Phd's. They aren't trainers. When I don't load it takes MUCH longer to feel the benefits. Plus, it is generally recommended if you take more you don't take it for as long. So I do not believe Loading is solely a money making angle. It's recommended by the pros for faster results and I agree from my personal experience. :drink:

Steelerstrength
06-24-2008, 04:17 AM
I've been training for almost 26 years, won the World Natural Bodybuilding Championships (overall) in '94, polygraph & urinalysis tested, have trained numerous athletes as a Personal Trainer, and was a D1 Strength Coach for 7 years. One of my certifications is a Specialist in Performance Nutrition.

Training background: My peak bodyweight, at 5'9", was 265 lbs, with abs! I benched 505 lbs, squatted 650 for a triple, and performed barbell curls with 225 lbs for sets of 5 reps. I was not a powerlifter, but sure the hell did not want to be a buff weakling! (I've got some great stories) We even filmed a great video of my leg press workout with 1925 lbs (we needed two guys on top of the over-loaded machine) where I performed 23 reps. I was never as big as the roiders, but gave it my best.

There are very few people who have adverse reactions to creatine. Water weight is the most noticable result from creatine ingestion, which can also consequently include hypertension. And, there are several forms of creatine now being sold on the market. The best now contain a blend of ingredients for desired effect.

Let me keep this simple, creatine is already in our bodies. We ingest it through food, mainly meats & fish, and it exists even in Mothers milk. It is less present in Vegans. It will work better on some than others. It is not classified as a drug, nor will it get you high. But, just like aspirin, you can take too much! It is designed to be cycled (4 weeks on 4 weeks off, for example), and is best taken in only a slight initial increase, load, and decrease, as you come off. I would never recommend taking more than 5-8 grams per day, no matter what your body weight. You better be working hard, otherwise don't bother.

Most injuries occur when athletes are not well hydrated, push harder than before because of the newfound strength and power, and/or just do not incorporate flexibility training to accompany the new workout or muscularity.

Personally, I've tried many types & brands of creatine over the years. I must admit that I love the results of Gaspari Nutrition Superpump 250, because of the synergistic effects when the labeled ingredients are combined.

To get the best results, be well hydrated, eat at least 5 meals per day, spread approx. 3 hours, balance your meals with good lean protein, take the best supplements with proven science (most supps list polyethylene as an ingredient, which means it will pass right through your system without absorption) (Pharmanex LifePak Nano is the best supplement on the planet and they prove it with the Bio-photonic Scanner), get plenty of rest for recovery, and don't over-train! Give your body plenty of rest between bodyparts, if that is how you train. (It all depends on your training goals, and sport, when it comes to training frequency)

I hope that helps a bit! :thumbsup:

GBMelBlount
06-24-2008, 06:21 AM
I in no way want to hijack your thread BlastFurnace but I just want to congratulate you SteelerStrength. That is absolutely amazing. I am not sure that most people realize the hard work and commitment and smarts that goes into championship bodybuilding. It's quite fascinating really.

Btw Blast, here is a link for creatine you might find helpful.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/gastelu14.htm

I had read the 5-7 grams for maintenace in this article before but to be quite honest, I was so excited to make gains that, well, I sort of ignored it.

btw, SS, I did have some other questions about a supplement I am considering and my training regimen due to some physical limitations and age. If it is OK to start an ask SS thread, or PM you privately, let me know. I can certainly understand if you didn't want to "take your job home" with you.

millwalldavey
06-24-2008, 07:28 AM
Actually, I'm not sure your "friends" are correct. Read up on it at bodybuilding.com. There are "loads" of articles on it by guys that are professional body builders and have Phd's. They aren't trainers. When I don't load it takes MUCH longer to feel the benefits. Plus, it is generally recommended if you take more you don't take it for as long. So I do not believe Loading is solely a money making angle. It's recommended by the pros for faster results and I agree from my personal experience. :drink:

I generally tend to listen to them... the advice about training and supplements they have given me seems to work well. Different people, different bodies I guess. One is a trainer, one is a trainer, EMT and bodybuilder (in FLA) and the other is our high schools wresting coach and trainer, so they are educated and experienced.

What kind of workout are you doing? I just quit my gym as it was getting two expensive for me. I bought a bowflex and I really like it!

millwalldavey
06-24-2008, 07:33 AM
Let me keep this simple, creatine is already in our bodies. We ingest it through food, mainly meats & fish, and it exists even in Mothers milk. It is less present in Vegans. It will work better on some than others.

I'm a vegetarian (I was Vegan for a while, but I gave in to cheese), and do not consume eggs or straight cow's milk. Do you think my levels would be low? I consume a lot of protien, but do you think Creatine is something I need? Frieds have never suggested it to me, but they never really looked at it from my dietary angle. I don't feel like I have issues with recovery time after I workout.

Do you still compete? If you are ever in FLA, my friend Charlie competes sometimes there. I know nothing about what circuits or anything he is in though.

GBMelBlount
06-24-2008, 08:33 AM
I was never as big as the roiders, but gave it my best.

Completely respect that SS. I would imagine it's very hard to see a few pass you perhaps primarily due to the steroids. Not using steroids is something you can be very proud of imo.

To get the best results, be well hydrated, eat at least 5 meals per day, spread approx. 3 hours, balance your meals with good lean protein, take the best supplements with proven science

That is what I try to do as well with respect to the 5 meals. I have a book I like on this called "The Zone Diet." It is a good starting point imo. The problem I have is not getting enough carbs sometimes and late at night I go crazy on the Ho Ho's (the food product). Also, I rarely eat red meat or fish so think creatine may help me for that reason as well. I have seen posts on bb.com where guys say if you have the right diet, you may not need the creatine or certain other supplements.

X-Terminator
06-24-2008, 10:03 AM
I actually started creatine years ago when I was taking Karate and my instructor remarked how about my power increased even though he didn't know I was taking it. I had asked him about it before I started cycling it and he said he didn't think it would help. I was lifting at the time as well so I can't honestly say I was only taking karate. Also, there are probably alot of strength exercises you can do that won't affect your flexibility that much. Perhaps you are already doing some.

I thought about going back to doing leg curls/extensions at light weights, as I don't think those would affect my flexibility that much, but I've had a bout with tendonitis in my left knee, so I haven't done so. I do mostly static and dynamic exercises while in class - standard stretches, knee raises, etc. We also do something called Hindu squats, where you stand with your legs about shoulder-width apart and your arms extended in front of you, and do body weight squats while raising up on the balls of your feet when you go all the way down. It's very good for your calves.

I've been training for almost 26 years, won the World Natural Bodybuilding Championships (overall) in '94, polygraph & urinalysis tested, have trained numerous athletes as a Personal Trainer, and was a D1 Strength Coach for 7 years. One of my certifications is a Specialist in Performance Nutrition.

Training background: My peak bodyweight, at 5'9", was 265 lbs, with abs! I benched 505 lbs, squatted 650 for a triple, and performed barbell curls with 225 lbs for sets of 5 reps. I was not a powerlifter, but sure the hell did not want to be a buff weakling! (I've got some great stories) We even filmed a great video of my leg press workout with 1925 lbs (we needed two guys on top of the over-loaded machine) where I performed 23 reps. I was never as big as the roiders, but gave it my best.

There are very few people who have adverse reactions to creatine. Water weight is the most noticable result from creatine ingestion, which can also consequently include hypertension. And, there are several forms of creatine now being sold on the market. The best now contain a blend of ingredients for desired effect.

I definitely will not consider creatine now, as I already have mild hypertension that I take a diuretic-based BP medicine for, so adding water weight is the last thing I need.

Congratulations on your bodybuilding championship!


Most injuries occur when athletes are not well hydrated, push harder than before because of the newfound strength and power, and/or just do not incorporate flexibility training to accompany the new workout or muscularity....

To get the best results, be well hydrated, eat at least 5 meals per day, spread approx. 3 hours, balance your meals with good lean protein, take the best supplements with proven science (most supps list polyethylene as an ingredient, which means it will pass right through your system without absorption) (Pharmanex LifePak Nano is the best supplement on the planet and they prove it with the Bio-photonic Scanner), get plenty of rest for recovery, and don't over-train! Give your body plenty of rest between bodyparts, if that is how you train. (It all depends on your training goals, and sport, when it comes to training frequency)


On top of the flexibility issues I had in karate from the leg exercises, I had problems in my hip flexor and adductor muscles, and my hamstrings tightened at times. Part of the problem as it turned out was that I did not keep myself well hydrated, and it was my karate instructor who told me about 2 months ago to start drinking more water. I took his advice, and ever since then, I have become adamant about drinking lots of water every day - at least a gallon a day - and making sure to stretch my legs as much as I can. My flexibility has greatly improved, I don't have the aches and pains, and, coupled with my diet (which is similar to the one you mentioned), I've lost almost 10 pounds. I can't stress enough the benefits of drinking a lot of water if you are an active person - it really helps!

GBMelBlount
06-24-2008, 10:45 AM
I generally tend to listen to them... the advice about training and supplements they have given me seems to work well. Different people, different bodies I guess. One is a trainer, one is a trainer, EMT and bodybuilder (in FLA) and the other is our high schools wresting coach and trainer, so they are educated and experienced.

What kind of workout are you doing? I just quit my gym as it was getting two expensive for me. I bought a bowflex and I really like it!

Btw, I didn't mean to knock "personal trainers." SOME of the one's I knew when I used to work out at Bally's were pretty knowledgeable. I just think the guys that are really into the bodybuilding and competitions in addition are extremely knowledgeable, moreso than I am anyway.

I have alot of problems - Toe, ankle, knee, hip, back and elbow, so I have to be careful about free weights and lifting heavy. My Paramount home gym is over at our other house so I have been using a total gym knockoff called "Total Trainer 4000" I also have up to 25 lb dumbbells. Being 45, I take more days off between sets now so I am currently trying Chest / Tri's Day 1, Back / bi's Day 3 and shoulders / legs day 5 with 30 minutes of walking on my "off" days. How about you? btw, any ideas, suggestions for this old man are greatly appreciated. lol. :thumbsup:

Steelerstrength
06-24-2008, 07:04 PM
Completely respect that SS. I would imagine it's very hard to see a few pass you perhaps primarily due to the steroids. Not using steroids is something you can be very proud of imo.



That is what I try to do as well with respect to the 5 meals. I have a book I like on this called "The Zone Diet." It is a good starting point imo. The problem I have is not getting enough carbs sometimes and late at night I go crazy on the Ho Ho's (the food product). Also, I rarely eat red meat or fish so think creatine may help me for that reason as well. I have seen posts on bb.com where guys say if you have the right diet, you may not need the creatine or certain other supplements.

Thanks for the kudos! It's been 14 years since I retired from competition, immediately after the World. I received my Pro Card, but didn't have anything left to prove to myself.

My body processes carbs very well too! Most people don't need many carbs, including many strength & power athletes. I have to have them at every meal. Hoho's were killer! I haven't had anything like that for about 20 years! No donuts, ding-dongs, or even red meat.

Since I no longer eat red meat, I choose to supplement with creatine for the extra power & a few reps, not to mention a much better pump. Red meat was my key to gaining weight in the off season, eating it 3 times per day. But when I no longer needed the extra bodyweight I refrained. It really does slow the digestive system, thus making it difficult to ingest enough of the various nutrients needed for top performance and health. Honestly, it is not very healthy to eat red meat, but I don't have a problem with personal choice. Pork and dairy are out as well. Most people do not process dairy sugar and/or dairy protein very well. They live with the bloating, gas, health issues that accompany it's ingestion. If we only knew the white blood cell content now allowed in our milk we may not choose to drink it. (I could go on for days)

Taken properly, creatine is very effective, but only for those who really need it. But, everyone I know needs supplements in their daily diet. I've yet to meet the athlete that eats 16-20 servings of vegetables, 10-12 servings of fruit, and still ingest enough macronutrients (carbs, protein, fat) for their daily requirements. How does one eat enough Omega 3's without getting fat, and include enough beta carotene, B vitamins, and minerals? Every major study done concludes that not one person gets the minimum of all essential macro & micronutrients, each and every day. I have not been sick for over eight years. Supps are important for everyone! Scientifically proven supps, with clinicals and measurable results are the key.

Steelerstrength
06-24-2008, 07:19 PM
Btw, I didn't mean to knock "personal trainers." SOME of the one's I knew when I used to work out at Bally's were pretty knowledgeable. I just think the guys that are really into the bodybuilding and competitions in addition are extremely knowledgeable, moreso than I am anyway.

I have alot of problems - Toe, ankle, knee, hip, back and elbow, so I have to be careful about free weights and lifting heavy. My Paramount home gym is over at our other house so I have been using a total gym knockoff called "Total Trainer 4000" I also have up to 25 lb dumbbells. Being 45, I take more days off between sets now so I am currently trying Chest / Tri's Day 1, Back / bi's Day 3 and shoulders / legs day 5 with 30 minutes of walking on my "off" days. How about you? btw, any ideas, suggestions for this old man are greatly appreciated. lol. :thumbsup:

GB, you are not old! Middle age is 75! I'm 44 and train 5 days per week.

The workout looks cool! Make minor variations each workout. No need to change the whole routine, just minor adjustments like: the order you perform the exercise, the grip you use, the weight should be adjusted according to how you feel that day. Train instinctively by training a bit heavier when you feel great, and lighter when you feel good. Be careful with your form, especially Range of Motion. Most people damage their shoulders by either starting too heavy, going too deep on chest without the flexibility, and the same for shoulder presses.

Consistency is the key. Start believing you are in great health and know that we all live with minor aches and pain, but you are doing something to reverse aging! Sweating gets rid of toxins. Working out releases all these wonderful chemicals that make us feel great, look great, and create longevity, so we can increase the quality of life. Never, ever stop! :thumbsup:

Steelerstrength
06-24-2008, 07:27 PM
I'm a vegetarian (I was Vegan for a while, but I gave in to cheese), and do not consume eggs or straight cow's milk. Do you think my levels would be low? I consume a lot of protien, but do you think Creatine is something I need? Frieds have never suggested it to me, but they never really looked at it from my dietary angle. I don't feel like I have issues with recovery time after I workout.

Do you still compete? If you are ever in FLA, my friend Charlie competes sometimes there. I know nothing about what circuits or anything he is in though.

I have great respect for Vegans & Vegetarians! That is tough to do. That said, I hope you supplement for minerals and protein. I'm always curious how you can get complete protein, as the body demands for an athlete? Sedentary vegetarians need much less protein.

Congrats on the dairy free diet! (except for the cheese:) I'm right there with you! (But no cheese at all for me) I'm allergic.

I'm pretty sure you are low in creatine levels. But, do you really need it? Are you really looking to push yourself and have the goal of more strength?

Steelerstrength
06-24-2008, 07:38 PM
I thought about going back to doing leg curls/extensions at light weights, as I don't think those would affect my flexibility that much, but I've had a bout with tendonitis in my left knee, so I haven't done so. I do mostly static and dynamic exercises while in class - standard stretches, knee raises, etc. We also do something called Hindu squats, where you stand with your legs about shoulder-width apart and your arms extended in front of you, and do body weight squats while raising up on the balls of your feet when you go all the way down. It's very good for your calves.



I definitely will not consider creatine now, as I already have mild hypertension that I take a diuretic-based BP medicine for, so adding water weight is the last thing I need.

Congratulations on your bodybuilding championship!




On top of the flexibility issues I had in karate from the leg exercises, I had problems in my hip flexor and adductor muscles, and my hamstrings tightened at times. Part of the problem as it turned out was that I did not keep myself well hydrated, and it was my karate instructor who told me about 2 months ago to start drinking more water. I took his advice, and ever since then, I have become adamant about drinking lots of water every day - at least a gallon a day - and making sure to stretch my legs as much as I can. My flexibility has greatly improved, I don't have the aches and pains, and, coupled with my diet (which is similar to the one you mentioned), I've lost almost 10 pounds. I can't stress enough the benefits of drinking a lot of water if you are an active person - it really helps!

I'm with you on the water intake! 1 gallon per day works! The optimal water intake for athletes is 1 ounce per lean pound of bodymass. So, once you have your body composition, it will provide you with the lean body mass in lbs. Great job X!

frigbee
06-24-2008, 08:11 PM
There is a substance out that is revolutionary. My wife is from guam and their history reports they had simoans that grew to 8 feet tall and had abnormal shoulder muscular growth. Some scientists who studied the skelletons of the ancient (Chimmaro) people found they had abnormally high rates of muscular development throughout their lives. They attributed it to a type of fish they eat in guam that feeds on a specific algae. There are a few companies selling products with the same strain of algae or a simular version but its off of the african coastline.

There is discussion, albeit unconventional, attempting to link the ancient hyper musculature of the Chamorros to their ocean diet. In ancient Guam, the only mammal present was the fruit bat with the ocean providing much of the food source. In particular, an unidentified ocean algae/seaweed injested directly or inside fish stomachs may be responsible for blocking a protein called myostatin or growth/differentiation factor 8 (GDF-8), which controls the growth of tissues in the body.
Interfering or blocking the expression and function of myostatin, it is said that dramatic muscle mass/strength increase and less fat content can be attained by the ancients. Although the identity of that algae is as yet unidentified, there exists a well-known algae, cystoseria canariensis grown in the Canary Islands which is harvested solely for the purpose of building muscle mass.


http://ns.gov.gu/people.html

also

http://vitanetonline.com/description/U050112/vitamins/MYOSTIM-120CAPS/

GBMelBlount
06-24-2008, 09:03 PM
Thank you for the encouragement and advice SS. You are the Mel Blount of bodybuilding imo. If you don't mind, I'd like to see a competition picture the year you won if you don't mind posting it..

SteelerStrength

My peak bodyweight, at 5'9", was 265 lbs, with abs!

btw, that is Dr. Banner belted by gamma rays freaky!

millwalldavey
06-24-2008, 09:15 PM
I have great respect for Vegans & Vegetarians! That is tough to do. That said, I hope you supplement for minerals and protein. I'm always curious how you can get complete protein, as the body demands for an athlete? Sedentary vegetarians need much less protein.


Thanks! It's weird, especially here in the Caol Reagion where everything has some kinda meat in it. So many people tell me they could never do it, but I tell them if you were in it for the reasons I am, then you could. I do a protien shake and at least one Clif Protien bar a day. Thats about 40g. I take a multi each day.


Congrats on the dairy free diet! (except for the cheese:) I'm right there with you! (But no cheese at all for me) I'm allergic.


My family does pizza each sunday night at a certain place for the last 20 years or so. I used to go and hit the salad bar. One time, i tried to make a pizza with vegan cheese... I would have rather ate the plastic! So, I accept myself as a flawed human with that vice! Damn I love cheese!


I'm pretty sure you are low in creatine levels. But, do you really need it? Are you really looking to push yourself and have the goal of more strength?
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I don't think I really need it. I like to lift for health and I do like the way some of my body parts look. I dunno if I need a lot of strength per se @ 33 (well 32 for a few more hours...)

millwalldavey
06-24-2008, 09:23 PM
Btw, I didn't mean to knock "personal trainers." SOME of the one's I knew when I used to work out at Bally's were pretty knowledgeable. I just think the guys that are really into the bodybuilding and competitions in addition are extremely knowledgeable, moreso than I am anyway.


I could see that... we call my friend Charlie "Dr. Faye" because he REALLY knows all the ins and outs... He competes at bodybuilding.


I have alot of problems - Toe, ankle, knee, hip, back and elbow, so I have to be careful about free weights and lifting heavy. My Paramount home gym is over at our other house so I have been using a total gym knockoff called "Total Trainer 4000" I also have up to 25 lb dumbbells. Being 45, I take more days off between sets now so I am currently trying Chest / Tri's Day 1, Back / bi's Day 3 and shoulders / legs day 5 with 30 minutes of walking on my "off" days. How about you? btw, any ideas, suggestions for this old man are greatly appreciated. lol. :thumbsup:

That workout almost sounds like the Body For Life that I used to do. I really liked that. We just recently purchased a Bowflex and I relly like the setup and the workouts I'm doing. I'm dooing it for 3 weeks and I can see my bi's getting cut a little better than before.

One thing I'm doing is taking the reccomended advice from the program and taking days off. I used to do 6 days a week no matter what. I think it burned me out. I hit the high school track every day now that I'm off.

I hope @ 45 I can be inspired enough to try! It sounds like you know what is right for your body so you're well ahead of the game! The key is to do enough to make you feel good physically and mentally. Working out does so much more for us than the physical. My father may actually start @ 65 since his car accident to loosen his knee up.

revefsreleets
06-24-2008, 09:34 PM
Thank you all for the insight and info. I'm not in the slightest interested in "getting big" but there was still a ton of good info in this thread, and I picked up some good stuff! I'm going to modify my workout a tad because of it.

(Just as an aside, I won't put anything in my body in pill form other than vitamins and straight aspirin and a few herbs...but I'm a huge proponent of "Super foods". Oatmeal, Spinach, Nuts, Blueberries, Honey, Fish, etc, etc...)

fansince'76
06-24-2008, 09:38 PM
We just recently purchased a Bowflex and I relly like the setup and the workouts I'm doing. I'm dooing it for 3 weeks and I can see my bi's getting cut a little better than before.

I have been seriously considering getting one of those myself - how highly would you recommend getting one? Thanks! :drink:

millwalldavey
06-24-2008, 09:49 PM
I have been seriously considering getting one of those myself - how highly would you recommend getting one? Thanks! :drink:

Well... after 3 weeks I love it and so does she. I got one with the rods, rather than that new flywheel stuff, which looks good as well, but a lot mor expensive.

I really like the isolation i feel in my muscles. I liken it to using dumbells for everything. I like the convenience of the switching the rods and pulleys for changing exercises. Its really fast changes and saves a lot of time.

I'd reccomend one. If you can think of any more questions about it, lemme know!

GBMelBlount
06-24-2008, 09:55 PM
I chuckled when Davey said he bought a bow flex. I was over a friends about 2 weeks ago and he showed me his bowflex that he bought on the cheap (barely used) and I tried a few exercises and thought it was pretty neat....

GBMelBlount
06-25-2008, 10:16 PM
Here are my two questions SteelerStrength..

1. I tried whey protein 15 years ago and simply could not digest it. I started a thread on bodybuilding.com recently and found out that some newer Whey has "lactase" or something in it to make it more easily digestible. So do you have an opinion as to what you know or have found to be the most easily digestible whey protein supplement and if there is a recommended way to take it?

2. I dislocated my elbow 25 years ago. Needless to say I really "feel" it when I do certain shoulder and tricept exercises. Is this something I can do to "warm up" or workout in a way to minimize the chance of serious injury? Can I wear something to support it?

Steelerstrength
06-26-2008, 03:43 AM
Here are my two questions SteelerStrength..

1. I tried whey protein 15 years ago and simply could not digest it. I started a thread on bodybuilding.com recently and found out that some newer Whey has "lactase" or something in it to make it more easily digestible. So do you have an opinion as to what you know or have found to be the most easily digestible whey protein supplement and if there is a recommended way to take it?

2. I dislocated my elbow 25 years ago. Needless to say I really "feel" it when I do certain shoulder and tricept exercises. Is this something I can do to "warm up" or workout in a way to minimize the chance of serious injury? Can I wear something to support it?

1. First, you are most likely allergic to simple whey concentrate. There are several generations of whey, beginning with Whey concentrate, then evolving (through processing) to Ion Exchange and Whey Isolates. Although Lactase would aid in the digestion, that's not solving the larger issue. If your body rejects a food, don't eat it!

The solution, either drink Egg White protein, or order pasturized egg whites (from Egg Whites International) that can be cooked or blended raw (for drinking straight or in a shake), because they are pasturized. They are shipped frozen, by the gallon container, right to your door. Make sure you have the room in your 'fridge & freezer! I always order 4 gals. per every three weeks, and keep the extra containers in my garage 'fridge. (breakfast is usually a 13 egg white omelet w/grape tomatos, and oatmeal with blueberries, rasberries and a banana)

2. Make sure you warm up your connective tissue well with lighter weights, and plenty of reps, prior to the real workout. Slow, deliberate movement can also be a welcomed technique, along with flex cream or an Icy Hot type of topical. Consciously contract the working muscle, especially during the warm-up. Stay away from old fashioned exercises that increase shear force directly on the elbow joint, such as skull crushers, overhead extensions and dips. Standing pushdowns should be performed in a controlled tempo, and range of motion should be limited to just over 90 degrees of elbow flexion. Path of motion should be more circular to eleviate shear, when pain is present. Allow the shoulder to move to the frontal plane, while the scapula (shoulder blade) stays depressed. Keep your arms at shoulder width while performing any triceps exercises to maintain the user defined path of motion.

You can wear light elbow sleeves, or elbow wraps on both arms for protective purposes. But, that may prevent proper contraction during triceps exercises.

Steelerstrength
06-26-2008, 04:05 AM
Thank you for the encouragement and advice SS. You are the Mel Blount of bodybuilding imo. If you don't mind, I'd like to see a competition picture the year you won if you don't mind posting it..



btw, that is Dr. Banner belted by gamma rays freaky!

GB,

Here are a couple of old shots. Contest bodyweight is MUCH less than my peak, for obvious reasons.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb44/gauchostrength/SideChest2.jpg


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb44/gauchostrength/DSC00334.jpg

tony hipchest
06-26-2008, 03:44 PM
i cant believe you guys are taking advice from steelerstrength....

i dont think he knows what hes talkin about.

:sofunny:

and gbmelblount, to answer your question about whey intolerance and warm ups, i suggest a half a dozen 12 oz. curls with a hops, wheat & barley beverage.

:toofunny:

(good stuff steelerstrength)

tony hipchest
06-26-2008, 03:59 PM
its nice to find experts on interesting topics other than the steelers.

Steelerstrength
06-26-2008, 06:18 PM
i cant believe you guys are taking advice from steelerstrength....

i dont think he knows what hes talkin about.

:sofunny:

and gbmelblount, to answer your question about whey intolerance and warm ups, i suggest a half a dozen 12 oz. curls with a hops, wheat & barley beverage.

:toofunny:

(good stuff steelerstrength)

Hey T, I prefer a good shot of Don Julio or Patron Silver for my warm up! :drink: Although sometimes it's just a nice bottle of Silver Oak!

revefsreleets
06-26-2008, 09:37 PM
I'm sorry, but I see the opening and have to take it...

Jeremy knows ten times as much about weight lifting as all you fags!

:doh::doh::applaudit::applaudit::blah::blah::sofun ny::sofunny::thumbsup::thumbsup::wave::wave::rofl: :rofl: