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KeiselPower99
07-02-2008, 01:07 PM
I just read on nhl.com the Red Wings have signed Marion Hossa to a one year deal.

KeiselPower99
07-02-2008, 01:09 PM
DETROIT – The Red Wings’ inability to get secondary scoring last season was constantly scrutinized in the media.

That issue was put to rest Wednesday – the second day of free agency – when the Red Wings made a big splash by landing one of the biggest names left in the free agency pool -- superstar right wing Marian Hossa to a one-year contract.

Hossa, 29, helped the Pittsburgh Penguins reach the 2008 Stanley Cup finals, where they eventually lost to the Red Wings in six games. He had three goals and four assists in the finals.

Often during the regular-season, the Wings were criticized for getting far too much scoring from their top line of Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg and Tomas Holmstrom.

Landing Hossa, who has scored 299 goals and 349 assists with a plus-85 rating in 701 career games, should address secondary scoring.

It’s believed that the Edmonton Oilers were also suitors in the Hossa sweepstakes, with a reported offer of as much as $9 million for the Czechoslovakian star. Vancouver, Montreal, Boston and Pittsburgh were also reported to be among the teams in the Hossa sweepstakes.

The Penguins acquired Hossa and Pascal Dupuis at the February trade deadline from Atlanta for three young stars -- Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen and Angelo Esposito, and a 2008 first-round pick (Daultan Leveille, 29th overall).

Dupuis signed a three-year contract worth more than $4 million to stay in Pittsburgh.

In the Pens’ march to the Cup finals, Hossa put to rest the notion that he’s a better regular-season performer, whose productivity falls off once the playoffs roll around. He led the Pens in scoring with 12 goals, and was second to Sidney Crosby in assists with 14.

In Atlanta’s 5-1 win over the Red Wings on Jan. 15, Hossa wrecked havoc, recording his seventh career hat trick before the game was half old.

A first-round draft pick by the Ottawa Senators in 1997, Hossa has been named to five NHL all-star teams. He was traded to Atlanta as part of the Dany Heatley trade in 2005.

Hossa’s deal with the Red Wings continues a free agency exodus from the Penguins, who also lost forwards Gary Roberts, Ryan Malone, Adam Hall, and back-up goalie Ty Conklin, who on Tuesday also signed a one-year deal with the Red Wings.

k7brown
07-02-2008, 01:17 PM
:-(

millwalldavey
07-02-2008, 02:51 PM
Looks like the Pens are gonna come back to Earth.

stlrtruck
07-03-2008, 10:12 AM
TRAITORS...all of them!!!

OneForTheToe
07-03-2008, 09:29 PM
I'd take Malkin over the whole lot of 'em

Counselor
07-11-2008, 01:08 PM
Wow. This is a pretty scathing commentary of Hossa's decision, and I think it pretty acurately reflects what Pittsburghers, at least, think. Good to know we're not the only ones.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jim_kelley/07/03/money.cups/index.html

Jim Kelley > INSIDE THE NHL

Good day class. Here's a simple question. Please take your time before answering and then do honestly and to the best of your ability:

Do you think the Chicago Blackhawks in the West and the Tampa Bay Lightning in the East will meet in the Stanley Cup Final next spring?

Show of hands, please.

Hmm, this class might be smarter than a room full of NHL owners after all.

Okay, this one's a little tougher: In the years since the NHL returned from a season-long lockout, how many clubs have won back-to-back Stanley Cup championships?

Bonus points if you can name the last repeater even before the league shut down for the sake of cost certainty.

If your answers are none and Detroit Red Wings in 1997 and '98 consider yourself more in tune with the history of probabilities than say, oh, Marion Hossa is at the moment.

Got an idea as to where we're going here?

Since this is, at least in part, a class on the economics of sports, I assume you all know the rules of supply and demand, and that when there are far too many dollars (because the NHL spending "cap" has risen every season since its inception) chasing far too few players (a result of owners and their general managers tying up even the unproven with long-term contracts in a rush to keep them from the free agent market), the stupid amounts of money thrown around in the first two days of the 2008 NHL free agent period is not as stupid as it would appear.

It's just the direct result of an artificially constructed cap system that, after three seasons in operation, can easily be termed an abject failure in regard to the goal of "cost certainty."

But since this is also a class in economics as related to sports, it would appear to your dedicated instructor that the Blackhawks and Lightning bought themselves a goodly amount of publicity but vastly overpaid for talents that don't supply all of their many needs.

Consider spending $57.12 million dollars for defenseman Brian Campbell and another $22.5 million for goalie Christobal Huet. For those of you who are mathematically challenged, that's near $87 million dollars over the life of the respective deals -- eight years for Campbell, four for Huet.

For that, the Blackhawks got a stellar puck-rushing defenseman who is no great value in his own end -- an area where the Hawks had serious problems last season. They also got a goalie who just last February was shipped from Montreal to Washington because he wasn't considered a No.1 netminder over the long haul. Now he joins a No.1 goalie in Nikolai Khabibulin, who even if the Hawks wanted to move him, is somewhat encumbered by the $6.75 million due for the upcoming season.

Now, it's acknowledged that Khabibulin has not been everything the Hawks have hoped for when they signed him to a then-staggering contract in the free agent market four seasons ago. It's a given that they will always have one highly paid netminder on the bench during every game this season. That's a lot of money to give a guy a good seat -- money that might have been better spent on the kind of stay-at-home defenseman the team truly needs.

Given that the Hawks were horribly weak in their own end last season and that Campbell will likely do nothing to change that, it's hard to imagine they've improved markedly despite the tremendous cash outlay.

GM Dale Tallon tried to justify that expenditure (a cost increase that no doubt has deceased owner William "Dollar Bill" Wirtz sinking ever deeper into his grave) by saying that the club had some momentum in regard to ticket and sponsorship sales, but it's hard to imagine those two items will cover the overall costs of a team that didn't even make the playoffs last season even if they do qualify next spring. Harder still to see the Hawks as Cup finalists.

One could make the same argument for the Lightning, a team that also failed to qualify for the playoffs last season and played so poorly that it was able to secure the No.1 pick in the 2008 Entry Draft: a blue-chipper in the form of 18-year old Steven Stamkos.

The Lightning, which also paid a few bucks to revamp its hockey department, committed to about $75 million (figuring-in possible bonuses) in a makeover that even the folks at Harpo Productions would conclude was excessive. For the money, Tampa Bay got some talent and depth at both the forward and defensive positions, but they still have a question mark in goal that is about as extreme as Ty Pennington's ego.

Unproven Mike Smith is the starter. To be fair, the Bolts picked up veteran Olaf Kolzig, a former Vezina Trophy-winner, from Washington. Then again, Kolzig was optioned to the bench last season when the Caps picked up the now departed Huet. A combination of Roberto Luongo and Martin Brodeur these two are not.

The wheeling and dealing leaves coach and former TV commentator-turned coach again Barry Melrose (a head-scratching hire in its own right) with a team that, with a few recent minor signings, has nudged itself over the cap limit, This development has inspired a request to their best defenseman, Dan Boyle, that he waive his no-trade clause. As of this writing, there had been no response.

Change can be good, but it must be change for the better and the Lightning are a little loose in proving to anyone except themselves that they've done that just yet.

And that brings us to Hossa.

The initial knee-jerk reaction in media was that Hossa selflessly turned down megabuck, multiyear offers from a slew of teams to play for the Cup with defending champion Detroit.

Somewhat overlooked was the fact that Hossa happened to play for the Cup less than a month ago and had he been at least as quick in the Red Wings zone as he was in making the decision to join them, he might have scored the goal that would have forced a Game 7 for his now ex-teammates, the Pittsburgh Penguins.

That puts him in a somewhat unfavorable light in Pittsburgh, where there is a cogent argument that says had Hossa offered to sign a one-year deal with the Pens or had he at least let them know he had no intention of coming back before the free-agent market opened, they could possibly have kept enough of their core to unseat the defending champions next season.

Even if that didn't happen, it's reasonable to question what Hossa, who is now joining his fourth team in as many seasons, is doing. It's one thing to play, oh, say 20 some seasons with the same team before going off to chase the elusive Cup dream with another club. It's something else again for a 29-year-old with more team sweaters than NHL.com to go Cup shopping.

Hossa, a client of Edmonton-based agent Rich Winter, said the decision was difficult, but Pittsburgh GM Ray Shero let it be known that he wasn't offered the one-year option that Winter gave to Detroit. (Memo to Ray: read the history of another Winter client, Dominik Hasek, and his forced trade to Detroit. You got away easy).

Now, this is a good deal for Detroit to be sure, but history says the team on the rise often has a better chance to get back to the Cup final rather than the team trying to defend the silverware. The cynics among you might argue that Hossa wanted out of Pittsburgh simply because, as rumored, he didn't like playing for head coach Michel Therrien. But a more likely scenario is that Hossa is aware that several of his ex-teammates in Pittsburgh moved on when the Pens couldn't find money under the salary cap to pay them while several of Detroit's best players will be playing for contracts next season, and if he's on the ice with those Red Wings, he's likely positioned himself for even greater riches as a free-agent at season's end.

Assuming he can stay healthy --and rest assured that will be a priority -- Hossa's plan appears to be to pocket $7.4 million and an oversized ring and then sell himself to a high bidder not as the guy who missed his chance at the Cup, but as a seasoned player and a Cup-winner.

He'll likely get the money, but history shows he's got no guarantee of the Cup.

He'll also have the reputation of something less than a team guy.

Oh and one last question: How many in this class are wondering if Hossa has any?

Well, what do you know?

Preacher
10-05-2008, 09:49 AM
bump...

Preacher
10-10-2008, 01:37 AM
Double bump!!

T.Richardson
11-12-2008, 05:08 PM
I wish they would have kept Malone.

Edman
06-12-2009, 10:29 PM
I figured it would be a good time to bump this.

:finger:<--- Hossa.

You picked the WRONG TEAM!

fordfan485
06-12-2009, 10:46 PM
All I got to say is Karma is a bitch, serves him right.

Crushzilla
06-13-2009, 12:26 AM
There was a discussion about 20 minutes after the Cup presentation tonight at my friend's house.

Two of them said they would gladly have Hossa back if the opportunity presented itself.

I interjected...

Sleep in the bed you've made, Marian. The Wings' dynasty is over. I would NEVER want that POS back on the Penguins.

I would be furious is Shero saw it otherwise. The whole situation is bad enough... The fact that we basically lost Malone is even more infuriating.

Malone? In a heartbeat. Hossa? Absolo-freaking-lutely not.

Petesburgh66
06-13-2009, 01:08 AM
Considering how Hossa was a bust for Detroit in the playoffs, the Dead Things may want to take that 7 year contract of the table. His value went down after his poor performance in the finals.

The Duke
06-13-2009, 02:59 AM
Hossa was in the playoffs? could have fooled me....

KARMA!!

Galax Steeler
06-13-2009, 05:30 AM
I could imagine what he was feeling like when they were shaking hands last night. I should have stayed with the Pens.

Kaeg
06-13-2009, 07:45 AM
Grats Pens!! Fleury was awesome in the 3rd!

X-Terminator
06-13-2009, 12:36 PM
Considering how Hossa was a bust for Detroit in the playoffs, the Dead Things may want to take that 7 year contract of the table. His value went down after his poor performance in the finals.

Didn't know they offered him a 7-year deal. Where the hell are they going to get the money? They just re-signed Franzen to an 11-year deal and re-upped Zetterberg for big money earlier in the season. They're still paying Datsyuk and Lidstrom a pretty penny, and I believe Filppula got an extension as well. If they end up signing Hossa, they will significantly weaken other areas, guaranteed. My guess is he ends up in Edmonton, and I wouldn't be shocked if the Hab-nots and, sadly for you, the Leafs come calling. There better not be any calls from Ray Shero - I'm with Crushzilla in that I don't want that piece of playoff underperforming garbage back. He just proved this year that last postseason was a fluke.

Petesburgh66
06-13-2009, 02:42 PM
Didn't know they offered him a 7-year deal. Where the hell are they going to get the money? They just re-signed Franzen to an 11-year deal and re-upped Zetterberg for big money earlier in the season. They're still paying Datsyuk and Lidstrom a pretty penny, and I believe Filppula got an extension as well. If they end up signing Hossa, they will significantly weaken other areas, guaranteed. My guess is he ends up in Edmonton, and I wouldn't be shocked if the Hab-nots and, sadly for you, the Leafs come calling. There better not be any calls from Ray Shero - I'm with Crushzilla in that I don't want that piece of playoff underperforming garbage back. He just proved this year that last postseason was a fluke.

Here is a link to the reported 7- year deal (ESPN reported it first)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/michael_farber/06/02/finals.notes.martin/index.html?section=si_latest

In my view, let Detroit sign and keep the overrated piece of crap, mostly because he will handcuff the Red Wings in terms of the salary cap.

I highly doubt the Maple Leafs will be interested in Hossa and vice versa. Hossa won't win a cup in Toronto any time soon as they are rebuilding. Plus with Brian Burke running the show, it's no secret that he wants the Sedin twins to come to Toronto. And the following season, Rick Nash and Roberto Luongo are unrestricted free agents. Nash is the type of player Burke wants. Hossa did himself no favours with that craptastic finals performance.

rbryan
06-13-2009, 03:53 PM
Let it go. Hossa had every right to make the "wrong choice"....just as we all do in life. Some here act like a high school girl who got jilted on prom night.

Not signing him freed up the money to bring in other players that we wouldn't have been able to sign. Theres no guarantee whatsoever that we would have won the cup had he stayed. Considering the way things worked out he did us a favor with his decision.

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
06-13-2009, 04:22 PM
Hossa's theme song. Scott Paulson came up with this one... Classic

http://query-origin.andohs.net/8000A6/content-root3.andomedia.com/origin/mp3/stations/1207/crow/hossa-611.mp3

HometownGal
06-13-2009, 04:32 PM
I can't help but want to see that POS fall on his face, sorry. He stabbed Shero, the Pens and the fans in the back last season and karma sunk its teeth into his ass in the Stanley Cup final. 3 points the entire series - WOW. :jerkit: Seeing him slither off the ice like the snake he is was almost as enjoyable as watching the Pens hoist the Cup. Almost.

SteelMember
06-14-2009, 01:42 PM
http://img.fannation.com/upload/si_blog_post_images/marian-hossa-t1.jpghttp://op-for.com/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

pittsburghp8baller
06-14-2009, 02:06 PM
Let it go. Hossa had every right to make the "wrong choice"....just as we all do in life. Some here act like a high school girl who got jilted on prom night.

Not signing him freed up the money to bring in other players that we wouldn't have been able to sign. Theres no guarantee whatsoever that we would have won the cup had he stayed. Considering the way things worked out he did us a favor with his decision.

Well spoken, He didnt even spend a full season with us, he had no obligation what so ever to resign with us. Him 'screwing' us around is a negotiation tactic as old as negotiation itself. He was trying to squeeze out more money from other teams that were trying to sign him. When he decided to go with Detroit that was the team he thought at the best chance of winning at THAT time, and who could blame him. In a span of a few days, we traded Malone and Roberts, we didnt resign Ruutu, Adams and Laraque. It didnt look like Orpik was coming back and we lost our back up goalie who kept our season alive when our starter went down.

For all the talk around here on how much everyone loves Chris Kunitz, Billy Guerin and Ruslan Fedotenko i guess people dont realize that probably none of them are Penguins if we sign Hossa.

People always talk about Karma and things happening for a reason, well Hossa not re-signing with the Penguins is the best offseason move we made. It opened up the door for us to get two wingers for Sid that actually fit into the way Sid plays the game.

I have no hard feelings towards Hossa, he was a great rental player. I knew that it would probably take a Stanley Cup to keep him in Pittsburgh, and when we didnt, i wasnt expecting him back.

Godfather
06-14-2009, 03:39 PM
8baller makes a good point but I still have to post this:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj258/godfatherLSU/hossa-milk-carton.jpg?t=1245011533

AllD
06-14-2009, 04:58 PM
Well spoken, He didnt even spend a full season with us, he had no obligation what so ever to resign with us. Him 'screwing' us around is a negotiation tactic as old as negotiation itself. He was trying to squeeze out more money from other teams that were trying to sign him. When he decided to go with Detroit that was the team he thought at the best chance of winning at THAT time, and who could blame him. In a span of a few days, we traded Malone and Roberts, we didnt resign Ruutu, Adams and Laraque. It didnt look like Orpik was coming back and we lost our back up goalie who kept our season alive when our starter went down.

For all the talk around here on how much everyone loves Chris Kunitz, Billy Guerin and Ruslan Fedotenko i guess people dont realize that probably none of them are Penguins if we sign Hossa.

People always talk about Karma and things happening for a reason, well Hossa not re-signing with the Penguins is the best offseason move we made. It opened up the door for us to get two wingers for Sid that actually fit into the way Sid plays the game.

I have no hard feelings towards Hossa, he was a great rental player. I knew that it would probably take a Stanley Cup to keep him in Pittsburgh, and when we didnt, i wasnt expecting him back.



He even admitted that if he signed at Pitt, then some of the others players would not have been able to be signed and therefore the team would be different anyway. It is very difficult to get a bullseye when shopping for championships. They normally have to be built from the ground up. Look at Randy Moss and soon to be Brett Favre's next team.

X-Terminator
06-14-2009, 05:00 PM
Well spoken, He didnt even spend a full season with us, he had no obligation what so ever to resign with us. Him 'screwing' us around is a negotiation tactic as old as negotiation itself. He was trying to squeeze out more money from other teams that were trying to sign him. When he decided to go with Detroit that was the team he thought at the best chance of winning at THAT time, and who could blame him. In a span of a few days, we traded Malone and Roberts, we didnt resign Ruutu, Adams and Laraque. It didnt look like Orpik was coming back and we lost our back up goalie who kept our season alive when our starter went down.

For all the talk around here on how much everyone loves Chris Kunitz, Billy Guerin and Ruslan Fedotenko i guess people dont realize that probably none of them are Penguins if we sign Hossa.

People always talk about Karma and things happening for a reason, well Hossa not re-signing with the Penguins is the best offseason move we made. It opened up the door for us to get two wingers for Sid that actually fit into the way Sid plays the game.

I have no hard feelings towards Hossa, he was a great rental player. I knew that it would probably take a Stanley Cup to keep him in Pittsburgh, and when we didnt, i wasnt expecting him back.

I respect your opinion, and funny you mention his non-signing enabled the Pens to bring in Tank, Kunitz and Guerin, because I believe Bob Smizik mentioned that in his column yesterday. But I'm sorry, screw Hoser and the stick he rode in on. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the man. He could have gone to Detroit, fine, but when he said that he'd have a better shot at the Cup with them, that's when he burned his bridge with Pens fans. He got exactly what he deserved, which is absolutely nothing.

pittsburghp8baller
06-14-2009, 05:56 PM
I respect your opinion, and funny you mention his non-signing enabled the Pens to bring in Tank, Kunitz and Guerin, because I believe Bob Smizik mentioned that in his column yesterday. But I'm sorry, screw Hoser and the stick he rode in on. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the man. He could have gone to Detroit, fine, but when he said that he'd have a better shot at the Cup with them, that's when he burned his bridge with Pens fans. He got exactly what he deserved, which is absolutely nothing.

I dont know who that guy is, if he is someone in Pittsburgh i dont live there anymore so i wouldnt know.

Dont get me wrong, i respect everyone's opinion here, and if you want to hate Hossa for going to the Red Wings by all means boo the hell out of him. I just feel that some people are taking the hate out of context, yeah the way he talked made it seem like he would stay but im willing to bet that if he had signed a 1 year less than what we were offering deal with any team other than the Wings, most wouldnt have a problem. And when i say anyother team, i mean any team that we dont already not like (Atlantic division, and the Crapitals)

Thats my opinion, im glad i didnt get burned i still may but oh well i just feel some fans (not necessarily saying anyone on this board) are taking the Hossa thing way out of hand

SteelCityMan786
06-14-2009, 07:59 PM
I dont know who that guy is, if he is someone in Pittsburgh i dont live there anymore so i wouldnt know.

Dont get me wrong, i respect everyone's opinion here, and if you want to hate Hossa for going to the Red Wings by all means boo the hell out of him. I just feel that some people are taking the hate out of context, yeah the way he talked made it seem like he would stay but im willing to bet that if he had signed a 1 year less than what we were offering deal with any team other than the Wings, most wouldnt have a problem. And when i say anyother team, i mean any team that we dont already not like (Atlantic division, and the Crapitals)

Thats my opinion, im glad i didnt get burned i still may but oh well i just feel some fans (not necessarily saying anyone on this board) are taking the Hossa thing way out of hand

Smizik is a blogger for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Website.

Hossa burned his bridges with his comments about how Detroit had their better chance at that time. Sure they just won, but this isn't your grand daddy's NHL. No team has been able to repeat in the Post-Lockout Era of the NHL and what made him think Detroit would be the first is something I can not understand right now. If he wanted to play there, that's fine. Just don't find ways to burn your bridge of respect you had with the Penguins and their fans.

Friday was just a great piece of Poetic Justice.

rbryan
06-14-2009, 08:41 PM
I love the fact that Hossa got hosed with his decision. I spent as much time rooting against him the last 7 games as I did pulling for the "good guys" lol

In the end his decision helped win us the cup IMHO......he motivated certain players on the team to new heights. I love the irony of that as much as anyone. I just don't feel the need to pile on.....he knows he screwed up.