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TackleMeBen
07-05-2008, 05:03 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) — Moving from celebrity to senator isn't exactly an untraveled path. But that doesn't mean comedian Al Franken, who is vying for a Senate seat in Minnesota, will coast to Capitol Hill on a wide, smooth road.

Franken, a Democrat, best-selling author and former "Saturday Night Live" cast member, once penned a racy piece for Playboy that has offended the Midwestern sensibilities of some Minnesotans. It is that history as a satirist and comedian, Franken says, that puts him "in a little uncharted territory" as he tries to woo voters.

At his nomination speech a few weeks ago, Franken acknowledged that some of his past writings and comments were "downright offensive."
"There were some things that I said that gave some people reason to believe I wouldn't fight for all Minnesotans, specifically for women," Franken said in a telephone interview. "I said I was sorry for that, 'cause that's not who I am."

http://portal.wowway.net/news/read.php?ps=1016&rip_id=%3CD91NIJEO0%40news.ap.org%3E&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCLM_UNEWS

GBMelBlount
07-06-2008, 08:30 AM
Franken running for congress.....now THAT's funny.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-06-2008, 08:51 AM
This is one ass-hat that really makes me ill with his hypocrisy and pseudo-intellectual, smoke and mirror routine.
If he is elected, then the state of Minnesota deserves him.

Franken owes $70,000 in back taxes in 17 states
By PATRICIA LOPEZ, Minneapolis Star Tribune
April 29, 2008 5:38 PM Eastern

DFL U.S. Senate candidate Al Franken, frontrunner in the race to unseat Republican U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman, owes $70,000 in back taxes in 17 states, where he earned income going back to 2003.

Franken on Tuesday told the Associated Press that he never intended to avoid paying taxes and that on the advice of his accountant, had paid taxes to the city and state where he lived.

Franken has been under fire since early March, when a Republican operative revealed that Franken had failed to pay workers’ compensation and disability premiums for employees of his New York-based corporation, Alan Franken, Inc., between 2002 and 2005.

New York state officials had tried to collect the back premiums for four years, resorting to a collection agency and even filing a summary judgment against Franken in state Supreme Court last May for $25,000.

Franken said he was unaware of the state’s numerous attempts to contact him and finally was forced to acknowledge his error and make restitution earlier this month.

Last week, Franken was found to owe the state of California $4,740 for his failure to file corporate tax returns between 2003 and 2007.

Franken’s campaign staff initially said Franken had dissolved the California entity in 2003, producing an unsigned letter on blank paper, dated September, 2003, in which a tax accountant said the company would “no longer be doing business in California.”

Franken has had numerous engagements in California during those years, and in his U.S. Senate Financial Disclosure Report, filed May, 2007, stated that he does business not only in California, but in New York, Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Delaware, Michigan, Kentucky and elsewhere.

Coleman, asked about today’s news, said: “I’m certainly troubled by these admissions. I would hope that Mr. Franken would continue to come forward and continue to be candid as to the nature of these problems.

“I serve on the Small Business Committee. I represent thousands of small-businessmen and -women in Minnesota. Those folks pay their taxes and meet their obligation — that is the expectation and so certainly these admissions by Mr. Franken are troubling.”
http://marklevinfan.com/?p=2626


He stated that no returns were filed In California because He hadn't done business in the state since 2003....

But Franken made 32 public appearances in California from 2003 to 2007, at least eight of which charged an admission fee. For instance, Franken spoke at universities, addressed the Urban Land Institute, twice appeared on the "Tonight Show with Jay Leno" and debated conservative pundit Ann Coulter for a lecture series.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-06-2008, 09:13 AM
Latest Polls show He is losing ...Coleman has 52%...Franken 40% and dropping

Mosca
07-06-2008, 09:56 AM
About a quarter of what he did for SNL was funny. No, wait; make that about an eighth. When something was funny, it was often uproarious, but still, he was way more misses than hits.

IMO he doesn't have the breadth of vision that makes a man a good legislator in a country of special interest groups that need to find compromises. He's wasting his time and money.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-06-2008, 10:07 AM
About a quarter of what he did for SNL was funny. No, wait; make that about an eighth. When something was funny, it was often uproarious, but still, he was way more misses than hits.

IMO he doesn't have the breadth of vision that makes a man a good legislator in a country of special interest groups that need to find compromises. He's wasting his time and money.

Agreed...He has ALWAYS had a higher opinion of himself than what the public had.

TackleMeBen
07-06-2008, 10:19 AM
well at least he is wasting his own money and not the taxpayers money.. at least not yet anyway..lol

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-06-2008, 11:10 AM
well at least he is wasting his own money and not the taxpayers money.. at least not yet anyway..lol

Not so fast!!!

$480K transferred from public funds to Franken's Air America!
WASHINGTON TIMES.COM
JULY 29, 2005 |

Did Al Franken's liberal radio network Air America divert city money for the elderly and inner-city children to itself? That's the question people should be asking this week after the revelation that the New York Department of Investigation is looking into whether hundreds of thousands of dollars were illegally transferred from a Bronx community center to Air America.
In late June, city officials designated the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club, a nonprofit organization that runs mentoring programs for children and day care for Alzheimer's patients, a "non-responsible city contractor." Investigators found "significant inappropriate transactions and falsified documents that were submitted to various City agencies." The city subsequently suspended the club's contracts, which run well into the millions.
It turns out, according to sources quoted anonymously by the Bronx News, that the mishandled money went to Air America. One source claims that $480,000 was wrongly transferred. The city investigation is concentrating on Charles Rosen, the club's president for 15 years, and Evan Cohen, the development director, who is a former chairman of Air America. Mr. Cohen resigned from Air America in May after the network's leasing plans in Chicago, San Francisco and elsewhere fell through.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1452922/posts

GBMelBlount
07-06-2008, 11:48 AM
Gotta admit, this Franken thread is getting "funnier" by the minute!

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-06-2008, 11:50 AM
Gotta admit, this Franken thread is getting "funnier" by the minute!

He's never "funnier" than when he tries to be intellectual and ethical.

TackleMeBen
07-06-2008, 05:06 PM
Not so fast!!!
well those arent consider tax money since its a non- profit club.

fansince'76
07-06-2008, 05:18 PM
well those arent consider tax money since its a non- profit club.

Did Al Franken's liberal radio network Air America divert city money for the elderly and inner-city children to itself?

City money = tax money. :dang:

TackleMeBen
07-06-2008, 05:40 PM
City money = tax money. :dang:
sorry i missed read it.. dont kill me. sorry you cant make mistakes around here..lol

Hawk Believer
07-06-2008, 09:00 PM
I have no idea if Franken would make for a better politician thatn his opponent, but I do feel compelled to call BS on some of the stuff floating in this thread.
$480K transferred from public funds to Franken's Air America!
WASHINGTON TIMES.COM
JULY 29, 2005 |

Did Al Franken's liberal radio network Air America divert city money for the elderly and inner-city children to itself? That's the question people should be asking this week after the revelation that the New York Department of Investigation is looking into whether hundreds of thousands of dollars were illegally transferred from a Bronx community center to Air America.
In late June, city officials designated the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club, a nonprofit organization that runs mentoring programs for children and day care for Alzheimer's patients, a "non-responsible city contractor." Investigators found "significant inappropriate transactions and falsified documents that were submitted to various City agencies." The city subsequently suspended the club's contracts, which run well into the millions.
It turns out, according to sources quoted anonymously by the Bronx News, that the mishandled money went to Air America. One source claims that $480,000 was wrongly transferred. The city investigation is concentrating on Charles Rosen, the club's president for 15 years, and Evan Cohen, the development director, who is a former chairman of Air America. Mr. Cohen resigned from Air America in May after the network's leasing plans in Chicago, San Francisco and elsewhere fell through.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1452922/posts

OK, so when you start reading the article above, doesn't something seem fishy to you guys? Washington Times is a mouthpiece for the cult leader Sun Myung Moon, the man who brought you the Unification Church and mass weddings where thousands of strangers would get married to other Moonies. Perhaps this explains the major misleading error in this article, the contention that Al Franken is tied to the Boys and Girls Club scandal. Notice how they say "Franken's Air America?" He didn't own it. He was just an employee. A prominent one for sure. But he had no ownership stake and has absolutely no tie to the scandal. Not that you would know that having read this hit piece. This "article" was written by someone who was either totally ignorant or was trying to deliberately mislead the public. My money is on the latter given the integrity of the Washington Times.

Re: the tax issue. I don't see any issue there. His accountant screwed up. He is fixing the problem and sending the money in and paying the penalty. That doesn't mean he was deliberately evading taxes.

If having an accountant who screws up out of state taxes is an indication that a person is not worthy of federal elected office, well..... the McCains shouldn't be measuring the drapes in the White House just yet.

revefsreleets
07-07-2008, 08:09 AM
I think Franken is a funny guy...I laugh more listening to his show than Rush Limbaugh's, and I'm definitely center/right in my politics.

But he should definitely just stick to skewering politicians, not try to actually be one.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-07-2008, 08:17 AM
I do feel compelled to call BS on some of the stuff floating in this thread Re: the tax issue. I don't see any issue there. His accountant screwed up. He is fixing the problem and sending the money in and paying the penalty. That doesn't mean he was deliberately evading taxes.
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Gotta call BS on your BS call...

Franken incorporated his business in 1998 under the fame of AFI (Alan Franken Interprises) but now claims that his personal accountant "made a mistake"...since when did people start running their corporate taxes through their personal accountant? The state of New Yoork sent 12 notices to the corporation that were ignored until all this came to light...I guess again you believe that this accountant just didnt see the notices or never got all twelve? ...and Franken Himself has publicly said that he owes California no taxes even though State records show he has made 32 appearances in the state...I dont think that he can "pin" that on his accountant.
In regards to the Washington Times argument....Neither of the two people cited in the article as contributers work for the Washington times...The story was reported by Brian Maloney who writes a blog for "Radio Equailizer" ..and was picked up by Michelle Malkin, a syndicated columnist whose articles are picked up by over 200 newspapers nationwide.....and happens to include the Washington Post.

Hawk Believer
07-07-2008, 10:21 AM
Gotta call BS on your BS call...

Franken incorporated his business in 1998 under the fame of AFI (Alan Franken Interprises) but now claims that his personal accountant "made a mistake"...since when did people start running their corporate taxes through their personal accountant? The state of New Yoork sent 12 notices to the corporation that were ignored until all this came to light...I guess again you believe that this accountant just didnt see the notices or never got all twelve? ...and Franken Himself has publicly said that he owes California no taxes even though State records show he has made 32 appearances in the state...I dont think that he can "pin" that on his accountant.
In regards to the Washington Times argument....Neither of the two people cited in the article as contributers work for the Washington times...The story was reported by Brian Maloney who writes a blog for "Radio Equailizer" ..and was picked up by Michelle Malkin, a syndicated columnist whose articles are picked up by over 200 newspapers nationwide.....and happens to include the Washington Post.

Do you think that Franken is doing his own taxes? Is he sitting down at his kitchen table with a pencil and calculator and filing out his IRS forms? I think its reasonable to assume he isn't licking the stamp on his tax returns. That doesn't absolve him from the ultimate responsibility of paying them. But again, as the McCains recently found out, keeping track of multiple state tax issues can be complicated. Franken reported all of his income. He incorrectly reported it in the states that he lived in (and had moved from, making notification a possible issue). He has admitted now that he owes back taxes and penalties in 17 states in which he appeared was paid a fee.

I don't claim to know what goes on in Frankens' mind. But I think that an analysis of his tax situation lends itself to application of Occam's Razor. Did Franken, a multi-millionaire with aspirations to run for Senate, deliberately scheme to evade paying local taxes across the country to try save himself a total of 70K knowing that he was about to be vetted by the full force of the RNC? (note: 70K is inflating what he owed because that includes penalties and doesn't calculate what he'll now get back from Minnesota and New York because he already paid taxes, mistakenly, on that income in those states) Or did he and his account screw up their highly complicated tax returns? Seems the latter, being the more reasonable and simple explanation, would be the winner.

Re: the other article... OK, so was it Malkin or Maloney who tried deliberately misled people to try to tie Franken to the Boys and Girls Club issue in the posted article? I wouldn't put it past either of them. Again, Franken had no tie to the scandal. In fact, he was very vocal on air in his criticism of the Air America guy who was responsible for the scandal. But if the author had a conscience that was concerned with the whole truthiness thing, he os she would never have been able to create such an effective smear with the headline.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-07-2008, 11:25 AM
Do you think that Franken is doing his own taxes? Is he sitting down at his kitchen table with a pencil and calculator and filing out his IRS forms? .
:banging::banging::banging:

No...and I never even hinted towards the fact that Franken does his own taxes....I was talking about how it is HIGHLY unlikely that the person who does his personal taxes also does his corporate taxes (....Anyone with knowledge of such things would tell you that you want to keep those two things as seperated as possible.)

Franken reported all of his income.

No he didnt...he failed to report any taxes in California for several years

I don't claim to know what goes on in Frankens' mind. But I think that an analysis of his tax situation lends itself to application of Occam's Razor. Did Franken, a multi-millionaire with aspirations to run for Senate, deliberately scheme to evade paying local taxes across the country to try save himself a total of 70K ....

Sooooo...rich people dont cheat on taxes....(not a very good analysis)

knowing that he was about to be vetted by the full force of the RNC?
Youd think that he would go over things with a find tooth comb if he "knew" he was getting ready to fight the evil RNC.

70K is inflating what he owed because that includes penalties and doesn't calculate what he'll now get back from Minnesota and New York

Wow ....I havent hear that level of justification and excuse making sinse...."Well, technically a BJ isnt sex"

Or did he and his account screw up their highly complicated tax returns? Seems the latter, being the more reasonable and simple explanation, would be the winner.

Again...you can only buy into that if you believe that Franken was so stupid that he didnt have a corporate lawyer and accountant.

Re: the other article... OK, so was it Malkin or Maloney who tried deliberately misled people to try to tie Franken to the Boys and Girls Club issue in the posted article? I wouldn't put it past either of them. Again, Franken had no tie to the scandal. In fact, he was very vocal on air in his criticism of the Air America guy who was responsible for the scandal. But if the author had a conscience that was concerned with the whole truthiness thing, he os she would never have been able to create such an effective smear with the headline

1) So your the guy who listened to Air America!!
2) You need to stick to an arguement...Is it the Moonies who are part of this "Right Wing Conspiracy"....or is it Malkin and Maloney?:sofunny:

Dino 6 Rings
07-07-2008, 11:34 AM
The fact that this fool is even on the ballot really does show how sorry our Political System has gotten. It reminds me of when Howard Stern would say he was going to run for Mayor of New York. I mean, I'm all for "citizens" running the country. But when a jackoff like this that basically made his living making fun of other people, is put on a ballot for election, that just makes me shake my head. Where are the local cops that run for office, or the Banker, or the Small Business guy. Where are the real people that need to run things, not these pompous blowhards that just do it for the money and fame. Cause really, this idiot isn't in it for the "good of the people". Thats for certain. Considering he hates with a passion 50% of the people in this country, he isn't looking out for me. Thats for sure.

Hawk Believer
07-07-2008, 11:50 AM
:banging::banging::banging:

No...and I never even hinted towards the fact that Franken does his own taxes....I was talking about how it is HIGHLY unlikely that the person who does his personal taxes also does his corporate taxes (....Anyone with knowledge of such things would tell you that you want to keep those two things as seperated as possible.) So how does that suggest that this wasn't anything more than an accounting screw up?



No he didnt...he failed to report any taxes in California for several years He reported the money he earned in California. The problem was he reported the income in the state he lived in, no the state he earned it in.


Sooooo...rich people dont cheat on taxes....(not a very good analysis) Where did anyone say that?

Youd think that he would go over things with a find tooth comb if he "knew" he was getting ready to fight the evil RNC. I agree that showed a bit of naivette on his part. Since the bloggers brought the New York and California tax issues to light, Franlken hired an accountant team to go back and review all the mistakes that were made by their incorrect interpretation. Given how many political enemies Franken has made over the past decade, he should have done a better job vetting himself as all federal candidates need to do these days.



Wow ....I havent hear that level of justification and excuse making sinse...."Well, technically a BJ isnt sex" The point is that he already paid taxes on this income. He didn't try to evade them. He paid in the wrong states.



Again...you can only buy into that if you believe that Franken was so stupid that he didnt have a corporate lawyer and accountant. I believe whoever he had working on his taxes could have made a mistake. Much like the mistake made in the McCain household.



1) So your the guy who listened to Air America!!
2) You need to stick to an arguement...Is it the Moonies who are part of this "Right Wing Conspiracy"....or is it Malkin and Maloney?:sofunny:
I do listen to Tom Hartman and Rachel Maddow on Air America. My business requires a lot of local travel so I bounce between a lot of talk radio including Rush, Hannity, Medved, and some local consercative guys out here. I knew about Franken's comments on the scandal from the internet only as I wasn't driving around back when he was on Air America.

So I need to stick to the argument? The clear contention of the article was that Al Franken was tied to the Air America Boys and Girls Club scandal. I challenge you to produce a shred of evidence that shows Franken missapropriated tax dollars to Air America as you suggested. So I don't know, you tell me. Who made up the connection between Franken and the Boy and Girls Club Scandal? I am curious to know who was so integrity deficient that they were able to produce the smear. Malkin, Maloney or the Moonies? They all seem capable. Actually, Maloney does have some good content on his blog. He is just overly obsessed with Franken IMHO.

rbryan
07-07-2008, 11:59 AM
In a state that elected Jesse "The Body" Ventura to Governor this doesn't surprise me.

I guess Prince was already booked up this year? He would win hands down if he decided to run.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-07-2008, 01:29 PM
So how does that suggest that this wasn't anything more than an accounting screw up? .

What I am suggesting is that he is either a liar or the most naive person in the world...NOONE who has a multi-million dollar corporation has ONE accountant that handles both personal and corporate taxes. For example...MY accountant would know nothing about tour accounting or keeping track of the money a touring entertainer makes in various states.



He reported the money he earned in California. The problem was he reported the income in the state he lived in, no the state he earned it in..... The point is that he already paid taxes on this income. He didn't try to evade them. He paid in the wrong states..

Actually the Franken campaign initially claimed that the reason no taxes were paid in California was because he had done no business in that state...

Franken owes California $5,800 in back taxes and penalties for failing to file state income tax returns for the corporation from 2003 to 2007.
The dollar figure represents a minimum tax charged to corporations with or without reported income.
The campaign explained that no returns were filed because Franken hadn't done business in the state since 2003
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/18160744.html



I agree that showed a bit of naivette on his part. Since the bloggers brought the New York and California tax issues to light, Franlken hired an accountant team to go back and review all the mistakes that were made by their incorrect interpretation. Given how many political enemies Franken has made over the past decade, he should have done a better job vetting himself as all federal candidates need to do these days.

Totally agree

I believe whoever he had working on his taxes could have made a mistake. Much like the mistake made in the McCain household.

Hmmmm...comparing Franken's forked tongue double speak...and McCains wife's (not John McCain...they file seperately) falure to pay a back tax for a property where an elderly aunt of Cindy’s lives? I guess I fail to see the similarity.


So I need to stick to the argument? The clear contention of the article was that Al Franken was tied to the Air America Boys and Girls Club scandal. I challenge you to produce a shred of evidence that shows Franken missapropriated tax dollars to Air America as you suggested. So I don't know, you tell me. Who made up the connection between Franken and the Boy and Girls Club Scandal? I am curious to know who was so integrity deficient that they were able to produce the smear. Malkin, Maloney or the Moonies? They all seem capable. Actually, Maloney does have some good content on his blog. He is just overly obsessed with Franken IMHO

In From the Cold
....In their continuing investigative series on the Air America scam, Michelle Malkin and Brian Maloney have caught Mr. Franken in a major lie regarding the struggling network's finances. You may recall that Air America's star host has claimed that he knew nothing (until recently) of the $875,000 "loan" from the Brox-based Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club, and the original owners of the liberal radio network. Now, Malkin and Maloney have unearthed legal documents--signed by Franken--which transferred the assets of Air America to its new owners, Piquant Media.

According to the document, Piquant acknowledged the loan from Gloria Wise, and agreed to repay it. Of course, some of the money from the Boys and Girls Club allegedly came from federal programs, designed to aid underprivileged youth and Alzheimer's patients. One of Air America's creditors has labeled the asset transfer a "fraudulent conveyance." Authorities in New York are now looking into Air America's shady finances, including the transfer from Gloria Wise. Based on his signature, Mr. Franken knew of the "loan" at the time Piquant took control of Air America in November of last year--months before his original timeline.

Let's see...Al Franken was a signatory to a deal that may have been fraudulent. I'm not a lawyer, but wouldn't that make him a co-conspirator? I'm also wondering if New York investigators have talked with Mr. Franken, and how his original "version" of events squares with the reality of those legal documents....
http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2005/09/is-al-franken-ready-for-his-perp-walk.html

The loan was finally repaid in 2006 with the stipulations that all charges be dropped and that Al Franken signature was to be viewed as only used to "facilitate the transaction and allow the network to survive under new ownership":jerkit:

TackleMeBen
07-07-2008, 01:40 PM
well if he is lying then he will make a good politican..lol

Hawk Believer
07-09-2008, 10:50 AM
So re: taxes, here is my take. Franken did not manage his accounting well and screwed up his returns. But he never attempted to evade his taxes. He paid on all his income, but in some cases to the wrong states. He is correcting that and has sent out a check. IMO, I think he is guilty of following poor advice (which is relevant to a debate of his abilities as a potential senator) but I don't think its reasonable to accuse him of trying to purposefully evade paying taxes.

There is also the fee issue in CA. He reportedly owed some money because he hadn't properly dissolved his corporation in the state of CA and reportedly didn't know that he needed to be paying a yearly fee to maintain it there. So again, it seems he didn't have a very detail oriented accounting team. I read some articles that said his accountant produced a letter from years ago showing that they had tried to notifiy the state of CA that they wanted to dissolve. But some have accused them of fabricating the letter ex post facto. If that is shown to be true and Franken was involved, that would obviously be huge issue and should absolutely exclude him from cerving in Congress. But I think that accusation could very well be a baseless smear given the the circumstances.

Re the Gloria Wise Boys and Girl's club scandal. I still stand by my BS call on that original citation. There is no evidence anywhere that connects Franken to the scandal. The missapropriation was between Gloria Wise and the Air America exec evan Cohen. Cohen not only engaged in this scandal, he missrepresented (perhaps lied is a better term) about the finances of Air America to its investor and employees when is was struggling during its early days. The financial situation was so dire that employees weren't getting paid. Because Franken had one of the higher salaries, he probably got stiffed the most.

Cohen got ditched and a new company was formed to take over Air America. Franken had grounds to sue the old company because of all the money he had been owed and the lies he had been told. The deal for the new ownership was conditional upon him signing the contract to say he would not sue the new company for what the old ownership had done to him. Franken never was an investor or owner of the company.

Again, no evidence at all that he had any responsibility for the Boys and Girls Club Scandal. Eagerly waiting for it.

Re: the McCains and their "tax dodge." I don't think the McCains intentionally evaded paying taxes on their property. I think this just shows the hypocrisy that springs up in partisan politics and how it gets exacerbated in election years. I think its funny how people pass it off as not relating to McCain because he and his wife file seperately. I can just imagine how this would be treated by the press if Michelle Obama had not paid her taxes. It would be running on a endless loop on cable news and nobody would allow Barak to pass it off as his wife's problem IMO. They would be asking how he could run the country when he can't even be an executive in his own household? When Kerry married a gal who had a family fortune and was able to bank roll his carreer in politics, it was a sign of a major character flaw to many on the right. But when McCain is itheir candidate, living off of a sugar momma doesn't seem to be an issue. And there doesn't seem to be much pressure for Cindy to release her IRS returns. I have no reason to believe there is anything that would embarrass McCain in his bankroll, but the longer they hold out on not releasing their finances the more they are putting themselves at risk for appearing to be hiding something.

I of course don't think the McCains where purposefully evading taxes just like I don't think Franken was either. I don't think it indicates either candidate is unfit for office. I do think it indicates that tax law is very, very complicated and hard to manage and could stand to be simplified. Much like Mitt Romney's hiring of illegal immigrants didn't make him a hyporcrite (even though that was a cheap and easy accusation to throw out at the time.) It just showed how integrated illegal imigration was in our economy and how one of the most prominant anti-illegal immigration candidates couldn't avoid hiring illegals even though he didn't want to.

Given Franken's career as such a partisan and divisive commentator/entertainer, I think there is plenty of legitimate fodder for his opponents to use in a campaign to have the Minnesota voters wonder if he is the guy they want representing them in Congress. I don't think his opponents need to fabricate things that didn't really happen. But negative lies sure work well in persuading some voters.

BTW, the Minnesota senate race has become even more interesting. Jesse "The Body" Ventura had thrown his hat in. Looks like he initially has drawn slightly more from Coleman than Franken, but Coleman still has a commanding lead tight now.

[A recent state poll has Coleman leading with 52 percent of the vote and Franken with 40 percent.

A hypothetical race with Ventura shows Coleman with 41 percent, Franken with 31 percent and Ventura with 23 percent.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/jesse-ventura-t.html