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tony hipchest
07-09-2008, 06:39 PM
how could we ever give up our 3 yards and a cloud of dust philosophy with defense carrying the team and winning championships?

why do we still look for the "next jerome bettis" and "power back" who can "carry the load", while ignoring that willie parker was one of only 3 backs to average more than 20 carries a game last season?

why are we comfortable with a game manager at quarterback despite having a multitude of talented receivers/ tight ends/ running backs to throw to, and a quarterback who can deliver?

why do we still debate whether we will switch from a 3-4 defense to a 4-3?

why will we call for tomlins head (just like we did with cowher) if a championship isnt delivered in the next 4 years?

Tradition.

why are we freaked out about the possibility of the rooney family losing majority control of the franchise? if the one who built that franchise (dan) will still own the 16% he has always owned since his beloved father passed?

dan will not be going away (hopefully not anytime soon), and can anyone tell me anything (off the top of their head) nabout tom rooney, dick rooney, and harry rooney?

are we just obsessed with the family aspect of our teams ownership, or do we really care about the 3 rooney stooges influence on the team?

im ready to embrace the fact that a little change can be good, but i am torn for prodigal son who started as a basic towel boy and a gopher, only to see his dreams and lifes work come to fruition, only to have it ripped away. but his dad didnt leave the team to him, he just left him in charge.

ive always given DAN rooney credit as the best owner in sports, only to realize he only owns a small portion of the pie.

is it possible that the team be better off with a billionaire passionate fan as opposed to the 3 stooges owning half the team?

never, if youre consumed with tradition.

i hope the majority of shares go to dan, only because i admire him as a person and a historical NFL figure. but other than art jr. what have any of the other siblings/family members done other than collect on an inheritance?

RoethlisBURGHer
07-09-2008, 07:10 PM
Wow, very good points.

I don't think anyone outside of the Rooney family and the very inner working of the Steelers know how involved the other brothers are involved.

I do know that Dan Rooney is the chairman. He technically signs the checks and is the face of the ownership group. I think he makes a majority of the desicions, I don't think his brothers care to have much say in anything unless it involves large sums of money coming out of their pockets.

I truly hope that Dan and Art II end up with the majority ownership. They are the two members of the family that truly seem to care about what The Chief built.

Maybe the other brothers didn't want to inherit the Steelers franchise from their father. Maybe they feel that the team was forced onto them much in the way kids feel their parents force their professions and dreams onto them.

But no matter what happens, I feel there will be a clause to keep the Steelers in Pittsburgh for a certain amount of time if majority ownership goes to someone outside of the Rooney family.

Vis
07-09-2008, 07:46 PM
Tradition for the team means the most wins. But the Rooneys are not only great for the Steelers, they have been the most important family for the the league ever. And with the labor fight to come any dilution of Dan's influence is a bad thing.

El-Gonzo Jackson
07-10-2008, 12:45 PM
Tradition is a great thing to hang your hat on, but progress is inevitable. I honestly dont care much who owns the team, as long as there always will be a Pittsburgh Steelers.

The power running game and great defense is more of a formula for success, not a tradition. I met a coach that was on the Raiders staff when June Jones introduced the Run and Shoot offense in Houston. He said Al Davis wasnt phased at all by that and knew the offense would fail in the NFL.

Al Davis maintained that throwing the ball all around the yard is fine, but you need a running game when you get inside the red zone or you will just be getting FG's and not TD's. Davis knew the lack of a physical running game was the downfall of the Oilers and the Marino era Dolphins. Its also the reason there are 5 SB's in Pittsburgh.

"Those that ignore their past are doomed to repeat it" ----that's a good thing for us:)

MACH1
07-10-2008, 01:01 PM
Tradition is a great thing to hang your hat on, but progress is inevitable. I honestly dont care much who owns the team, as long as there always will be a Pittsburgh Steelers.

I don't know bout you but I wouldn't want to see a Dan Schneider type in charge of our beloved team. Or an owner that thinks moving the team would be in their best interest so they could make more money. The L.A. Steelers? Its not going to happen but it could someday. Just ask the Sonics.

rbryan
07-10-2008, 01:02 PM
how could we ever give up our 3 yards and a cloud of dust philosophy with defense carrying the team and winning championships?

why do we still look for the "next jerome bettis" and "power back" who can "carry the load", while ignoring that willie parker was one of only 3 backs to average more than 20 carries a game last season?

why are we comfortable with a game manager at quarterback despite having a multitude of talented receivers/ tight ends/ running backs to throw to, and a quarterback who can deliver?

why do we still debate whether we will switch from a 3-4 defense to a 4-3?

why will we call for tomlins head (just like we did with cowher) if a championship isnt delivered in the next 4 years?

Tradition.

why are we freaked out about the possibility of the rooney family losing majority control of the franchise? if the one who built that franchise (dan) will still own the 16% he has always owned since his beloved father passed?

dan will not be going away (hopefully not anytime soon), and can anyone tell me anything (off the top of their head) nabout tom rooney, dick rooney, and harry rooney?

are we just obsessed with the family aspect of our teams ownership, or do we really care about the 3 rooney stooges influence on the team?

im ready to embrace the fact that a little change can be good, but i am torn for prodigal son who started as a basic towel boy and a gopher, only to see his dreams and lifes work come to fruition, only to have it ripped away. but his dad didnt leave the team to him, he just left him in charge.

ive always given DAN rooney credit as the best owner in sports, only to realize he only owns a small portion of the pie.

is it possible that the team be better off with a billionaire passionate fan as opposed to the 3 stooges owning half the team?

never, if youre consumed with tradition.

i hope the majority of shares go to dan, only because i admire him as a person and a historical NFL figure. but other than art jr. what have any of the other siblings/family members done other than collect on an inheritance?

Lotto winners who had the world by the ballz due to thier brother, yet managed to squander most of it away running thier business endeavors into the ground... that about sums up the three stooges.

millwalldavey
07-10-2008, 01:55 PM
Question: Would new "billionaire" open up the Steelers to be bigger free agent market players?

Is that a good thing, or bad thing?

tony hipchest
07-10-2008, 02:14 PM
what spurned this thread is the appearant fear of losing the "rooney family" as the steelers primary owners.

from the little i know, i am not too impressed with the brothers manny, moe, and jack. and the mckaskey(?) family just sits around and collects the dividends from their 20% which, shamefully, is 4% more than what dan and his son own combined.

atleast art jr. tried to push for the steelers drafting dan marino, and oversaw the greatest draft in nfl history (1974).

but... to the point-

drukenmiller seems like a steelerfan traditionalist. mark cuban is on record saying he's not interrested in the steelers because it wouldnt be overwhelmingly profitable. he basically insinuated it wouldnt be the best investment.

drukenmiller doesnt seem concerned with this. he seems more concerned with preserving the tradition of his beloved steelers.

Druckenmiller has long termed the Steelers' franchise the "best run in America."

Druckenmiller has offered to retain Dan Rooney as the Steelers' manager.

the three stooges dont seem to care as they are willing to sell to the highest bidder. stan seems bound and determined to be that guy, not to turn a profit, but to preserve the tradition of his favorite team and a city he loves.

the comparisons to mark cuban or dan snyder make me laugh.

Close friends claim he's "brilliant" and "complicated" and unfailingly loyal, a man who hates publicity but who quietly bankrolls many of the nation's top charities.

who is afraid he will be marching the sidelines, mugging for the camera?

there is no indication that he would come in like jerry jones, firing tom landy (i.e. rooney/tomlin) with his first major move.

there is every indication that he would sit back, and enjoy the team like he always has, knowing the tradition of the PITTSBURGH Steelers was preserved.

and before anyone scoffs at the idea of a billionaire buying something that expensive without turning a profit being the number one priority, just look at another pittsburgh great- andrew carnegie.

he built that beautiful museum and filled it with beautiful things. the inscription when you enter says that it was his gift to the city and people of pittsburgh.

and while they are forced to charge admission today, for the longest time it was free, and not turning a profit. "dippy" and that van gogh hanging on the wall, was just as much mine as anyone elses.

rbryan
07-10-2008, 02:18 PM
I agree that its a bad idea to bring in a bunch of someone elses over priced free agents.

But it would be nice to be able to afford to pay some of our own FA that inevitably leave every year.

tony hipchest
07-10-2008, 02:23 PM
Question: Would new "billionaire" open up the Steelers to be bigger free agent market players?

Is that a good thing, or bad thing?assume this-

big ben wins more superbowls than brady or manning during his current contract, as he approaches the ripe old age of 32-33 and is in the prime of his career. "billionaire" ensures he retires a steeler.

i dont think steelerfans will fret and worry if the "cheap rooneys" can afford to keep him. remember the near panic at the thought of not being able to retain troy polamalu?

Dino 6 Rings
07-10-2008, 02:46 PM
I love tradition, and as long as we stay one of the top teams and remain competetive year in and year out for the next 50 years (figure I'll be in my 80s by then) then I will be happy.

Bottom Line. Our Tradition is Winning.

El-Gonzo Jackson
07-10-2008, 03:24 PM
I don't know bout you but I wouldn't want to see a Dan Schneider type in charge of our beloved team. Or an owner that thinks moving the team would be in their best interest so they could make more money. The L.A. Steelers? Its not going to happen but it could someday. Just ask the Sonics.

The Sonics cant field a good product nor fill the stands. Hardly a fair comparison, but rather fear the the sky is falling.

Dan Snyder hires bad GM's and coaches and is too involved and the Skins lose.

Jerry Jones hires good coaches and is too involved, but just wins.

Smart owners/businesspeople, hire good people to run their companies the best they can. Its their own winning model. Far too often owners of sport franchises use it as their own personal toy and thing they can be football GM's like us and screw it up.

Good management is good management, whether the name is Rooney, Trump, Buffet, Smith or possibly Drunkenmiller.

stlrtruck
07-10-2008, 03:51 PM
I guess it's just progess and, oh, having too many hands in the cookie jar!

While I understand their desire and right to sale their interests in the team, they could have done it a different way - a way to keep it in the family, regardless of past transgressions!

But I agree, regardless of who the owner is - keep winning and eventually no one will notice that the Steelers aren't owned by the Rooney family.

Preacher
07-10-2008, 05:10 PM
Wow... it is amazing how much this fits...

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wootawnee
07-10-2008, 05:26 PM
The Cheif...........All the players loved him.........Danny too............ They are Pittsburghers.............You all are like family...................
That is what always makes the Steelers so special...............
Family.............

Hammer Of The GODS
07-10-2008, 05:28 PM
I love the Rooneys but personally , I could give a shyte who owns the team.
All I need is 3 things.

1. KEEP MY TEAM IN PITTSBURGH!
2. Billionare or not, just don't be like the Fords and own a team just because you can. I don't like Jerry Jones, but at least he loves his team and actually CARES if they win or lose.
3.Keep the team competitive! I don't need SB wins every year (although that would be great) I just want a reason to tune in. Something to cheer for! True Lions fans must be suicidal! Poor bastards just have to watch the Ford family "mail it in" every year.

Besides what I hear about Stanley Druckenmiller seems to be just what Steeler fans would want in an owner. Billionaire or not. Here are some things I read and the link to the article.(may have already been posted)

http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080710/FOOTBALL0403/807100490/-1/SPORTS1001

Erie native Joe "Tippy" Pohl Jr. has known Stanley Druckenmiller as a business partner and golf buddy for more than 30 years.

Pohl Quotes :
"It's hard for me to imagine Stan as a passive owner because there's nothing he loves more than the Steelers."

"Stan would rather be with the tailgaters," he said, "and if you've been to a game down here, you know those people get to the parking lots at 7 in the morning. If it's a cold day, he has all these famous friends inviting him to sit in the (luxury) boxes, but he'd rather sit outside with the fans."

Now I don't know this Pohl guy, but if what he says is true I would love to see the owner of my team out in the parking lot poppin' open an I.C. Light and chowin down on some sausage and peppers off my grill! :tt03:

rbryan
07-10-2008, 06:07 PM
Tradition is great.....as long as Art III has enough $ left over to run the team..... with no excuses.

I find it hard to believe that will happen though. Please take DR out of the equation. I know we all love him and he's an icon but he's 76 this month. If the press release he blurted out during the James Harrison incident wasn't enough to prove he's out of touch and shouldn't be driving a Lincoln let alone the franchise, then consider this......He's 76 this month.

Unless the Rooney bros can come back together.... the Rooneys will be minority owner with little say over how things are done.

If we're real lucky Art III will not be able to pull off the miracle deal which leaves us with ownership that can't afford a real field today, let alone after he borrows from the devil to buy out the brothers. Free Agency will become a dirty word in the Burgh ....Again


FWIW, I don't think Jerry Jones could survive if he had to buy 40-50% of the Cowboys today.

Galax Steeler
07-11-2008, 04:36 AM
I think if someone takes control of the franchise it aint going to matter because everytime you look at the steelers you are going to see the Rooneys they will always be part of the pittsburgh steelers.

JackHammer
07-13-2008, 09:11 PM
why do we still look for the "next jerome bettis" and "power back" who can "carry the load", while ignoring that willie parker was one of only 3 backs to average more than 20 carries a game last season?


I agree with the overall point to your thread, but you're fooling yourself if you believe the above quote. Most fans want the next Bettis because 99% of the time, he'd get you those tough 3-5 yards on third down and he'd get you into the endzone 99% of the time if we're lining up inside the 5 yard line. Those are two areas that Bettis EXCELLED in, which can't be said about Parker. BTW, I'm a huge fan of FWP. No need to try to dismiss me as a Bettis fanboy.

Godfather
07-13-2008, 10:46 PM
I agree that its a bad idea to bring in a bunch of someone elses over priced free agents.

But it would be nice to be able to afford to pay some of our own FA that inevitably leave every year.

Wouldn't matter. That's more of a cap issue than an ability to pay issue.

tony hipchest
07-13-2008, 11:56 PM
I agree with the overall point to your thread, but you're fooling yourself if you believe the above quote. Most fans want the next Bettis because 99% of the time, he'd get you those tough 3-5 yards on third down and he'd get you into the endzone 99% of the time if we're lining up inside the 5 yard line. Those are two areas that Bettis EXCELLED in, which can't be said about Parker. BTW, I'm a huge fan of FWP. No need to try to dismiss me as a Bettis fanboy.im not fooling myself. the tradeoff of having a "jerome bettis" running the rock (+ a very expensive run blocking line) was the likes of kent graham throwing to the likes of bobby shaw.

CanadianSteel
07-14-2008, 10:53 AM
I am starting to believe the best scenario is for Drunkenmiller to take over ownership and leave Dan in charge. Maybe we get the best of both worlds, tradition and some new blood with some new $$.

As much as I hate the media loving smuck that is Jerry Jones, I respect that he cares about his team and winning. Maybe we can get a owner somewhere in between and Drunkenmiller just might be that guy.... Loves the Steelers and has the jack$ to front the decisions.... but not make all the decisions.....

steeltheone
07-14-2008, 09:04 PM
Just when have we lost anybody that we should have resigned in the prime of his career? The Rooneys have run a tight ship that has resulted in winning season after winning season. When you start signing joey Porters and Alan Fanecas to big contracts at older ages they break down and you have them on the cap for years without production.( Jason Gildon) When the money needs spent the Steelers spend it. There is only so much to go around.

xfl2001fan
07-14-2008, 09:35 PM
Whomever it is, I truly hope that he/she/they don't do you guys the way Modell did us. So long as the Steelers stay in Pittsburgh...I'll be happy. Much as you guys are a rival, it's not much of a rivalry if you go away.

stlrtruck
07-15-2008, 08:51 AM
Whomever it is, I truly hope that he/she/they don't do you guys the way Modell did us. So long as the Steelers stay in Pittsburgh...I'll be happy. Much as you guys are a rival, it's not much of a rivalry if you go away.

That's how I felt the day Modell screwed cleveland.