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SteelersMongol
07-28-2008, 12:00 AM
We all accept that movies stretch the truth in the interest of building drama. The following ten flicks, however, treat the truth like it was Silly Putty -- pulling and twisting it until it's unrecognizable.

10,000 B.C.
Director Roland Emmerich is usually a stickler for realism (see: sending a computer virus via Macintosh to aliens in Independence Day). So we hate to inform him that woolly mammoths were not, in fact, used to build pyramids. Heck, woolly mammoths weren't even found in the desert. They wouldn't need to be woolly if that were the case. And there weren't any pyramids in Egypt until 2,500 B.C or so.

Gladiator
Emperor Commodus was not the sniveling sister-obsessed creep portrayed in the movie. A violent alcoholic, sure, but not so whiny. He ruled ably for over a decade rather than ineptly for a couple months. He also didn't kill his father, Marcus Aurelius, who actually died of chickenpox. And instead of being killed in the gladiatorial arena, he was murdered in his bathtub.

300
Though this paean to ancient moral codes and modern physical training is based on the real Battle of Thermopylae, the film takes many stylistic liberties. The most obvious one being Persian king Xerxes was not an 8-foot-tall Cirque du Soleil reject. The Spartan council was made up of men over the age of 60, with no one as young as Theron (played by 37-year-old Dominic West). And the warriors of Sparta went into battle wearing bronze armor, not just leather Speedos.

The Last Samurai
The Japanese in the late 19th century did hire foreign advisers to modernize their army, but they were mostly French, not American. Ken Watanabe's character was based on the real Saigo Takamori who committed ritual suicide, or "seppuku," in defeat rather than in a volley of Gatling gun fire. Also, it's doubtful that a 40-something alcoholic Civil War vet, even one with great hair, would master the chopsticks much less the samurai sword.

Apocalypto
This one movie has given entire Anthropology departments migraines. Sure the Maya did have the odd human sacrifice but not to Kulkulkan, the Sun God, and only high-ranking captives taken in battle were killed. The conquistadors arriving at the end of the film made for unlikely saviors: an estimated 90% of indigenous American population was killed by smallpox from their infected livestock.

Memoirs of a Geisha
The geisha coming-of-age, called "mizuage," was really more of a makeover, where she changed her hairstyle and clothes. It didn't involve her getting... intimate with a client. In the climactic scene where Sayuri wows Gion patrons with her dancing prowess, her routine - which involves some platform shoes, fake snow, and a strobe light - seems more like a Studio 54 drag show than anything in pre-war Kyoto.

Braveheart
Let's forget the fact that kilts weren't worn in Scotland until about 300 years after William Wallace's day and just do some simple math. According to the movie, Wallace's blue-eyed charm at the Battle of Falkirk was so overpowering, he seduced King Edward II's wife, Isabella of France, and the result of their affair was Edward III. But according to the history books, Isabella was three years old at the time of Falkirk, and Edward III was born seven years after Wallace died.

Elizabeth: The Golden Age
In 1585, when the movie takes place, Queen Elizabeth was 52 years old - Cate Blanchett was 36 when she shot the film - and was not being courted by suitors like Ivan the Terrible (who was dead by then). And though the movie has her rallying the troops at Tilbury astride a white steed in full armor with a sword, in fact she rode side saddle, carrying a baton. She was more of a regal majorette than Joan of Arc.

The Patriot
Revolutionary War figure Francis "The Swamp Fox" Marion was the basis for Mel Gibson's character, but he wasn't the forward-thinking family man they show in the flick. He was a slave owner who didn't get married (to his cousin) until after the war was over. Historians also say that he actively persecuted and murdered native Cherokees. Plus, the thrilling Battle of Guilford Court House where he vanquishes his British nemesis? In reality, the Americans lost that one.

2001: A Space Odyssey
According to this film, in year 2001 we would have had manned voyages to Jupiter, a battle of wits with a sentient computer, and a quantum leap in human evolution. Instead we got the Mir Space Station falling from the sky, Windows XP, and Freddy Got Fingered. Apparently the lesson here is that sometimes it's better when the movies get the facts all wrong.

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Hmm. But 4 of them ("Gladiator," "Last Samurai," "Braveheart," & "The Patriot") are some of my most favorite ones. I understand directors or actually writers get little too carried away when they imagination start running off wild. But I can say for sure that the movie "Mongol" could outscore all these 10 with its historical inaccuracy. Guys, I'm not saying this because I kinda-like Genghis, :chuckle: but seriously this movie sucks the daylight out of any history movie buff.

fansince'76
07-28-2008, 12:10 AM
2001: A Space Odyssey
According to this film, in year 2001 we would have had manned voyages to Jupiter, a battle of wits with a sentient computer, and a quantum leap in human evolution. Instead we got the Mir Space Station falling from the sky, Windows XP, and Freddy Got Fingered. Apparently the lesson here is that sometimes it's better when the movies get the facts all wrong.

Hindsight is always 20/20. You have to look at this one through the eyes of Kubrick and Clarke circa 1968. 2001 was 33 years off. In the 33 years leading up to 1968, we went from prop planes to the jet age to being one year away from walking on the moon. Technology during the better part of the 20th century as a whole did advance by quantum leaps in a relatively short timeframe. All things considered, and taking into account the vantage point in time that this movie came from, why not manned voyages to Jupiter by 2001? Why not sentient computers? Why not permanent lunar bases?

Preacher
07-28-2008, 12:28 AM
Hindsight is always 20/20. You have to look at this one through the eyes of Kubrick and Clarke circa 1968. 2001 was 33 years off. In the 33 years leading up to 1968, we went from prop planes to the jet age to being one year away from walking on the moon. Technology during the better part of the 20th century as a whole did advance by quantum leaps in a relatively short timeframe. All things considered, and taking into account the vantage point in time that this movie came from, why not manned voyages to Jupiter by 2001? Why not sentient computers? Why not permanent lunar bases?

Because visions induced by LSD seldom become reality :wink02:


Seriously, I know what you mean. It is somewhat unfair to place this movie in a list like this one.

revefsreleets
07-28-2008, 11:04 AM
2001 had a lot of things that were factual in it, too...I think it was the first movie that showed space as being the totally silent and cold vacuum that it realy is.

vasteeler
07-28-2008, 11:06 AM
I have seen all those movies except the patriot nothing against the movie but the title

Dino 6 Rings
07-28-2008, 03:53 PM
how do they know that the Persian king wasn't 8 ft tall and wasn't a circus reject?

300 will still be one of my favorite all time movies.

Preacher
07-28-2008, 04:11 PM
I have seen all those movies except the patriot nothing against the movie but the title

No...

It's not a football movie about Bellicheat's team. After all, they didn't have cameras back then.

Preacher
07-28-2008, 04:12 PM
What i find UTTERLY amazing... is that Farhenjoke 911 was on this list... and it is a movie that PROCLAIMS to NOT be fiction... :rolleyes:

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-28-2008, 06:56 PM
What i find UTTERLY amazing... is that Farhenjoke 911 was on this list... and it is a movie that PROCLAIMS to NOT be fiction... :rolleyes:

They took a letter to the editor out of our local paper and photo-shopped it to look like a headline....literally taking ONE persons uneducated opinion and made it look like journalism.

The local paper sued them for 1 dollar...just to make a point and to bring it light.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5575561/

SteelersMongol
07-28-2008, 08:46 PM
how do they know that the Persian king wasn't 8 ft tall and wasn't a circus reject?

300 will still be one of my favorite all time movies.

I don't know about you, but I don't really think there are any nation or people who wants to be portrayed as an nothing but bunch of ugly monster looking mutants.

IMHO, "300" is one of worst productions that was supposedly taken from real historical event. I loved to story when I was a little kid. But instead of making something similar to ... let's say, "The Patriot" or "Braveheart," they've turned it into a joke. Like I said before, I'm a history movie buff, and really like the movies that were made as close as possible to the truth. You don't really want to start fantasizing things about something that already happened.

Dino 6 Rings
07-29-2008, 10:50 AM
I don't know about you, but I don't really think there are any nation or people who wants to be portrayed as an nothing but bunch of ugly monster looking mutants.

IMHO, "300" is one of worst productions that was supposedly taken from real historical event. I loved to story when I was a little kid. But instead of making something similar to ... let's say, "The Patriot" or "Braveheart," they've turned it into a joke. Like I said before, I'm a history movie buff, and really like the movies that were made as close as possible to the truth. You don't really want to start fantasizing things about something that already happened.

If they don't like the way they are portrayed, they can not watch the film. I like that the Persians were depicted as ugly monsters. Didn't bother my non-persian blood for one second.

stlrtruck
07-29-2008, 11:02 AM
Let's remember the movie "300" was made from the graphic comic and while it holds historical depections, they are definitely "OVER" done, IMHO, as representation to the graphic comic.

As a movie goer, I don't go to movies to gain a historical perspective on things. If things interest me, I'll watch the movie but definitely have my own research done to verify facts.

Personally, I like 300, not for it's historical value or content but more so from the guy factor.....all the BnG!!!!

fansince'76
07-29-2008, 11:05 AM
If they don't like the way they are portrayed, they can not watch the film. I like that the Persians were depicted as ugly monsters. Didn't bother my non-persian blood for one second.

Wonder how long it will take "Ah-MAD-inejad" to declare that the United States should be "wiped off the map" for allowing a movie to be made portraying the ancestors of modern Iranians in such a negative light. :coffee:

Dino 6 Rings
07-29-2008, 11:09 AM
Wonder how long it will take "Ah-MAD-inejad" to declare that the United States should be "wiped off the map" for allowing a movie to be made portraying the ancestors of modern Iranians in such a negative light. :coffee:

Have you ever noticed how short AhMadman is? No wonder he's so angry. Pretty sure there was a really little guy from France that tried to take over the world too. What's with the short guys being all angry. I mean, I'm not that tall myself, but I'm guess, lack of height isn't their only short coming.

xfl2001fan
07-29-2008, 11:32 AM
Have you ever noticed how short AhMadman is? No wonder he's so angry. Pretty sure there was a really little guy from France that tried to take over the world too. What's with the short guys being all angry. I mean, I'm not that tall myself, but I'm guess, lack of height isn't their only short coming.

Low Blow there, ouch! LOL :toofunny::drink:

SteelersMongol
07-31-2008, 10:27 AM
Have you ever noticed how short AhMadman is? No wonder he's so angry ...

:rofl: Nice one. I hate that mo-fo. I would not be surprised if there is actually some kind of trace between him and Hugo Chavez. :chuckle:

If they don't like the way they are portrayed, they can not watch the film. I like that the Persians were depicted as ugly monsters. Didn't bother my non-persian blood for one second.

The thing is they all watch first and then find out, don't they?

OK, now, this might make no sense to you, but try to think how would you feel IF you were a Persian just for a second.

When I really try to understand how certain someone or some people felt about something, I just try to picture myself in his/her/their shoes.

Dino 6 Rings
07-31-2008, 11:07 AM
OK, now, this might make no sense to you, but try to think how would you feel IF you were a Persian just for a second.

When I really try to understand how certain someone or some people felt about something, I just try to picture myself in his/her/their shoes.

Dude, I have Serbian blood. How many Serbs has Jack Bower killed in the last 5 seasons on 24? The freaking anti-hero hero in Grand Theft Auto is a Serb. Not to mention that the Serbs are the ones blamed for Ethnic Cleansing in Bosnia. That's done wonders for the image of Serbs world wide. Also I have Sicilian Blood, how many freaking Mob movies depict Italians as gangsta killers with no love for anyone non-italian and also as racist jerkofffs? Seriously...we all have short comings, either you can laugh at them, roll with the punches or be a whiney biatch about it. I am bigger than having my feelings hurt.

The Persians can whine all they want. They should be more concerned with the fact that their Historically Grand and beautiful culture has been taken over and destroyed from within by the Shiite branch of the Moslim Religion.

Besides, if they knew their freaking history...at all...and not just what the mosque teaches them, they'd know..."Hey, we lost the battle depicted in the movie 300, maybe we don't want to watch it"

Michael Keller
07-31-2008, 11:24 AM
Does anything good or noble ever come out of Hollywood?. Not to worry Barok will & his government will solve Cinema Injustice