PDA

View Full Version : How much of this falls on Cowher?


BlitzburghRockCity
11-20-2005, 10:47 PM
Tommy was pathetic..and the only offense we generated all day came on that long TD drive. Which was awesome, but that was it.

How much blame falls on Cowher for keeping Tommy in there, for not putting El in more than just a play here and there? Maybe it would have mattered, maybe it wouldnt have..but plain and simple; if ur starting QB isnt getting it done and he wasnt getting it done last week for the most part.. why not put in El and see what would have happened.

And for that matter, why didnt Jerome see more action? :chair: :pissed: :boxing:

rowedf
11-20-2005, 10:54 PM
I don't know if it's Cowher or Wizz that should get the blame, but I thought our offensive plays calls where bad. Never, never did we try mis-directions. Baltimore was slamming our line, flying off the edges at us. What happened to the flanker coming around for the fake end around / reverse ??? That would have froze a few backers and ends....didn't see that once today. Not until late in the 3rd and 4th quarters did you see a pitch to the outside...... I just don't get it....I hate agreeing with these local talk radio guys that say "it's the Steelers way, it's how we will do it" but dammmmmn.....I really believed that today! Instead of scheming to beat a team we freakin played our style of ball....regardless of what the other team did.

Koopa
11-20-2005, 10:55 PM
i put some of it cause. why the hell would he go for it on 4th and one with maddox? he took away a for sure 3 points which would've gave us a 3 point lead when we scored later in the game which also means we walk away with the W. and then maddox for the int and the fumble and just for being alive

BlitzburghRockCity
11-20-2005, 11:00 PM
That was as bone head a move as Ive ever seen koopa, I agree. Play the field position game if nothing else..their offense sucked too..so why not pin them deep !!!

As long as Cowher is there, u wonder if we will ever actually game plan the way other teams do.. or just say Hey, we're gonna do our thing...

I know we've been successful at it and we have a great regular season record and all of that.. but damn, we have the talent to throw all sorts of things at teams.. even though gadget plays dont always work, when Mularkey was the coordinator we did more of them to keep teams off balance ! I like Wiz as a coor. , he generally calls a good game !! but when u dont have the Qb to pull it off, doesnt help much to keep "doing our thing"

rowedf
11-20-2005, 11:01 PM
he took away a for sure 3 points which would've gave us a 3 point lead when we scored later in the game which also means we walk away with the W. and then maddox for the int and the fumble and just for being alive

Dude it was 4th and 1.5 yards on our OWN 48 yard line, how in the hell is that a for sure 3 points ??

Koopa
11-20-2005, 11:17 PM
well then nfl gametracker lied to me cause it said we was on the 35, and lookin at it on the play by play right now it says 35 too. so i guess i'll go with what it says here.

Rotorhead
11-20-2005, 11:35 PM
Stupid laptop battery died before OT haha, but I would say it is 50/50, special teams killed us, and if it was 4th and 1, why would you not run Bettis, he was born for 4th and 1? Turnover Tommy has got to go, and Cowher should be punched in the gut for keeping Maddox in there. If he starts anymore games, he will not only lose it, he will lose the season.

pitt
11-21-2005, 12:26 AM
The drive that scored the TD was quick, short passes and good runs. Thats the kind of plays that should of been called all day. Tommy did throw alot of bad passes but the recievers dropped some that they should of had too. The offensive line was horrible and special teams was a joke because there sure the hell wasn't anything special about them today. The defense still hasn't figured out how to consistantly stop 3rd and long plays. An all around lousy game.

Ambridge
11-21-2005, 01:08 AM
I put this loss all on Cowher and staff!!!

They went into this game with the mentality of hopefully winning by playing "small ball"-(Try to win the game with running the football and good defense along with minimal output from the QB position.)

Hey Bill!! The Ravens have proven that this style of offensive football isn't successful...what made you think it was going to work for you???
Did you really fool yourself into believing that you were going to squeek out a win with Tommy Maddox in Baltimore with the grand plan of giving Ben another weeks rest??

BTW that was some really good imagination with leaving Maddox in the game in the second half and not putting Randel El in there to generate an offensive spark.

OX1947
11-21-2005, 01:12 AM
All this is on Tommy and the O line. Only thing Cowher needs to prove in his career right now is that he isnt gonna be the next Marty Schottenheimer or Chuck Knox. IF Ben is healthy the whole year, hell if Batch was our QB in the last two games that Tommy started, we would be 9-1 without a doubt......

BlitzburghRockCity
11-21-2005, 01:34 AM
Batch would have faired much better..he's more mobile and could have escaped some of that pressure.

I hate to admit it, but ambridge seems to hit the nail on the head. I hate to bash cowher cuz I think he's a great coach and a good fit for us..but damn, its pretty pretty obvious that this was a hope we win the game by just doing enough to not lose. With Tommy at QB though, its hard to do much of anything consistently except to be inconsistent.

If you're gonna play that style, then punt it away on 4th and 1 when u dont have the Bus in there and the game is still close and ur defense is playing well..

I swear, games like this burn me up becuz Bill will always second guess himself on the Tuesday press conference..

rgleason
11-21-2005, 01:42 AM
Really was an ugly game to watch. Tommy played bad, but he didnt throw any interceptions (although that int was costly). However, I have a tought time trying to hand out a player of the game ball. Special Teams was giving up field position, O line never got a run game going. D generally played alright, only giving up 13 points (3 being off a fumbel and another on the best catch of the game). I usually hate would've, could've, should'ves, but when we got Ben, we are a different team. So before we are ready to can the season, lets step back

- We got Big Ben coming back, and hopefully at 100 percent. If he gets hurt, we will have Batch.
- We are 7-3, and still in first place in the division. Indy has got home field all the way through locked. Broncos dont look like they are going to fall off either. Lets just worry bout winning the division. best way to that - beat the cats.
- We need to improve in a lot of areas though. But its a long season guys. Lets go out Mon. night and beat Indy w/ Ben at the helm. Indy aint going 16-0, and there is no better team than us to give them a loss.

Suitanim
11-21-2005, 09:10 AM
On that 4th and one, that was a beautiful call, and, had we had a QB who could execute, probably would have scored a TD. The defense was caught completely off guard, and there were 2 wide open receivers on that play. Instead of throwing the football, Tommy just stood there, like a deer in the headlights, and took the sack. I was pretty sure at that point that if Tommy couldn't hit wide open receivers he was staring at with time to throw, that we were doomed to lose that game.

SteelersGirlTN7
11-21-2005, 09:57 AM
I said some blame

You can't blame it ALL on Tommy - I mean, yes he played terrible .. HOWEVER, if Cowher would have pulled him, we wouldn't be able to know how he'd play ...

and, with anyone else, we really couldn't really do any worse.

24seven
11-21-2005, 10:25 AM
All I know is I was about ready to get chest pains.. Games like that can kill a man and therefore Cower should take all the blame for playing through misery and not doin a damn thing about it!

rowedf
11-21-2005, 11:01 AM
well then nfl gametracker lied to me cause it said we was on the 35, and lookin at it on the play by play right now it says 35 too. so i guess i'll go with what it says here.

Your right, I was looking at the other 4th down attempt. Although from teh 35....Skippy hasn't made on that long yet. Have you guys noticed that anything over 49 this year his kicks are coming off super low? He's had what..2-3 tipped or blocked.

Grey
11-21-2005, 01:33 PM
Not Cowher's fault IMHO.

I think if he had any other reasonable choice, then he would have taken it. The fact is that he was down to his #3 quarterback, and the guy was playing a better game than in his last start (though still terrible, terrible, terrible). It was one score game and I think it's reasonable to think that Maddox gave us the best chance to win. I mean, if you actually put Randle El in there to take a series of snaps, you are really gambling with the game. The guy trains as a receiver --- he doesn't study defenses, and isn't practicing under center all week. If the game had become a 2 score deficite, I think we would have seen a serious change in strategy,with more Randle El.

Instead, Maddox did it again ...... did just enough to keep it close and provide some hope in him, then underperformed in crunch time. He sucks. But I can't blame the coaches.

Here we go.

Grey

RoethlisBURGHer
11-21-2005, 01:40 PM
My vote was a little of both.

The play calling sucked...but you know if all you do is run the ball,they're gonna stack em up on the LOS and stop the run.

But also,Tommy sucked,once again.He's less immobile than an damn pinata.

clevestinks
11-21-2005, 05:40 PM
I think Tommy was afraid! If the defense was within 4 feet of him he panicked! He ducked , fell down, he was terrible!

One drive your bad, or two so what but drive after drive, Cowher knew we wouldnt be able to run, unless Tommy proved to Balt, that he could throw to beat them.

Tommy on fourth and one takes a 8 yard sack, come on you teach seventh graders to throw no matter what. An interception twenty yards downfield is better than an eight yard sack.

Third and sixteen, Tommy panics, keeps the ball and runs for eight, give me a break, who is he Vick?? Throw the football. He had two interceptions called back thanks to defensive penalties. We were lucky to make it to O.T.

Tommy has to go!

Prosdo
11-21-2005, 09:00 PM
I think Tommy was afraid! If the defense was within 4 feet of him he panicked! He ducked , fell down, he was terrible!

One drive your bad, or two so what but drive after drive, Cowher knew we wouldnt be able to run, unless Tommy proved to Balt, that he could throw to beat them.

Tommy on fourth and one takes a 8 yard sack, come on you teach seventh graders to throw no matter what. An interception twenty yards downfield is better than an eight yard sack.

Third and sixteen, Tommy panics, keeps the ball and runs for eight, give me a break, who is he Vick?? Throw the football. He had two interceptions called back thanks to defensive penalties. We were lucky to make it to O.T.

Tommy has to go!

He looked like a deer caught in head lights. He just looked and didn't move.

Avoid LLoyd1975
11-21-2005, 11:12 PM
It was bad execution by all. But I would rather put it on Maddox because he is a bum.

Steelersfan
11-22-2005, 03:01 AM
All of it goes to Cowher and the staff. Why? Well let me tell you why!
1 - Why was Staley not dressed for this game?
2 - Ever heard of "The Bus" Bill?
3 - You know you have your 3rd string QB in but yet we go with the passing game to win? Give me a break! We never gave the running game a chance with Staley sitting and the Bus getting only a couple touches. This was as bad a game plan as I have seen from Cowher. I got bashed here earlier this year (after AFC championship) for saying this but we will never win the SB with Cowher as coach. He is too predictable and has a hard time adjusting.

We should have ran Staley and Bettis right up the Raven's gut! Yet we go with the passing game and Parker. Does Maddox, Amous and 6-10 sound familiar?

Steelersfan
11-22-2005, 03:05 AM
Sorry for the double post but thought you might like this about the 4th and 1 play.

The Pittsburgh Steelers attempting a play-action pass, rather than a power run, on fourth-and-1 late in the third quarter of their 16-13 overtime loss to the Baltimore Ravens. In a game this close, it's often one or two plays that make a difference, and it seems Pittsburgh's coaches out-thought themselves on back-to-back plays. The first came on third-and-1 from the Baltimore 35-yard line when receiver Antwaan Randle El stepped in for Tommy Maddox under center, took the snap and pitched to running back Willie Parker, who was held to no gain. Then, on fourth down, the play-action pass call abruptly ended when linebacker Bart Scott came bolting through the middle of the line to sack Maddox. Given the circumstances, it seems as if the Steelers should have simply done what they are built to do and let the blocking of Dan Kreider and Alan Faneca simply tear open a hole for Parker or Jerome Bettis for the first down and keep alive a decent scoring opportunity

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9055880