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Brandon
08-20-2008, 03:56 PM
I have a question on this guy, why is he making over 6 million dollars this year? And if I'm correct that makes him the second highest paid player on this team this season.

So If I have those two facts down, then why are we paying him this kind of money when:

A. He isn't good enough to beat out Willie Rolon for the RT position.

B. He consistently gets beaten badly by speed rushers in passing situations

C. This money could have went to Faneca or another player or two who are better than him and can help shore up the offensive/defensive line.

:banging:

STEELtownHAVOX
08-20-2008, 04:10 PM
He does USO tours, I thank him for that. Got a picture, and a signature from in in 06 after the Superbowl.

BlastFurnace
08-20-2008, 04:48 PM
I have a question on this guy, why is he making over 6 million dollars this year? And if I'm correct that makes him the second highest paid player on this team this season.

So If I have those two facts down, then why are we paying him this kind of money when:

A. He isn't good enough to beat out Willie Rolon for the RT position.

B. He consistently gets beaten badly by speed rushers in passing situations

C. This money could have went to Faneca or another player or two who are better than him and can help shore up the offensive/defensive line.

:banging:

From what I have read, the Steelers probably thought someone else was going to sign Max to an offer sheet and the Steelers were going to decide whether to match it or let Max walk. Well, that didn't happen, but the Steelers still needed an experienced player who could play LT in case Smith's back injury flared up again.

The problem with Max's money, which is just for one season, is that it wasn't going to bring in someone to fill a role where the team is weakest...on the DL'ine. All the top D'lineman received way more than they were worth and Max's money wouldn't have lured any of the top tier lineman to come to Pittsburgh....and I'm not sure I would have given Shawn Rogers, Justin Smith, or Tommy Kelly that kind of money anyway.

It's a one year insurance policy.

43Hitman
08-20-2008, 04:51 PM
I have a question on this guy, why is he making over 6 million dollars this year? And if I'm correct that makes him the second highest paid player on this team this season.

So If I have those two facts down, then why are we paying him this kind of money when:

A. He isn't good enough to beat out Willie Rolon for the RT position.

B. He consistently gets beaten badly by speed rushers in passing situations

C. This money could have went to Faneca or another player or two who are better than him and can help shore up the offensive/defensive line.

:banging:


Who's that?:noidea:

srk173
08-20-2008, 04:52 PM
Also next year marvel smith is a free agent. I am sure the don't want to loose two tackles n back to back ears. It also allows the steelers to use both to get the lowest contract out of whoever they sign long term.

The Duke
08-20-2008, 05:01 PM
Also next year marvel smith is a free agent. I am sure the don't want to loose two tackles n back to back ears. It also allows the steelers to use both to get the lowest contract out of whoever they sign long term.

yeah, I'm hoping at least one of them stays

would be great if it was starks cause he is younger, but has he shown he can start? maybe at LT?

Brandon
08-20-2008, 05:45 PM
Also next year marvel smith is a free agent. I am sure the don't want to loose two tackles n back to back ears. It also allows the steelers to use both to get the lowest contract out of whoever they sign long term.

I believe Smiths agent said something to the effect of "We'll look elsewhere" in regards to them and the Steelers not getting a deal done by the start of the season.

BlastFurnace
08-20-2008, 05:53 PM
I believe Smiths agent said something to the effect of "We'll look elsewhere" in regards to them and the Steelers not getting a deal done by the start of the season.

Well, we know he has to put forth his best effort this season. He's been a good Steeler, but I wouldn't sign him to big dollars at this stage of his career.

slashsteel
08-20-2008, 06:32 PM
I believe Smiths agent said something to the effect of "We'll look elsewhere" in regards to them and the Steelers not getting a deal done by the start of the season.


Actually Smith and his agent have been quiet unlike Faneca was on his way out.

Smith might very well be signed to a extension before he becomes a free agent.............

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-21-2008, 01:16 AM
Actually Smith and his agent have been quiet unlike Faneca was on his way out.

Smith might very well be signed to a extension before he becomes a free agent.............

Smith and Faneca are represented by the same agent group and there has been no talks of extending Smith. Kind of sounds like they want to test the market next season.

Whether he will do it beyond 2008 is in serious doubt. The Steelers have not yet talked to Ken Zuckerman, Smith's agent. If that name is not familiar, it should be known that he is a partner of Faneca's agent, Rick Smith, in Priority Sports & Entertainment. These guys represent some of the top offensive linemen in the NFL, and they know how to get value for their clients, especially as unrestricted free agents.

Wouldn't Marvel be fun going to free agency with?" Zuckerman wondered

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08164/889330-66.stm

I honestly think they will let Starks walk and try too late to extend Smith. So, with $13 million off the books, what good LT's will be around in free agency next season, because all we may have is Hills and Essex???

stlrtruck
08-21-2008, 01:44 AM
Smith and Faneca are represented by the same agent group and there has been no talks of extending Smith. Kind of sounds like they want to test the market next season.

Whether he will do it beyond 2008 is in serious doubt. The Steelers have not yet talked to Ken Zuckerman, Smith's agent. If that name is not familiar, it should be known that he is a partner of Faneca's agent, Rick Smith, in Priority Sports & Entertainment. These guys represent some of the top offensive linemen in the NFL, and they know how to get value for their clients, especially as unrestricted free agents.

Wouldn't Marvel be fun going to free agency with?" Zuckerman wondered

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08164/889330-66.stm

I honestly think they will let Starks walk and try too late to extend Smith. So, with $13 million off the books, what good LT's will be around in free agency next season, because all we may have is Hills and Essex???

If he wants to test the market next season, then he better darn well produce well enough to get out in the open waters.

Galax Steeler
08-21-2008, 04:31 AM
Sounds like we are set to keep starks with the money we are giving him this year I just wish he would proceue and not be a bench warmer for that kind of money.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-21-2008, 10:18 AM
If he wants to test the market next season, then he better darn well produce well enough to get out in the open waters.

Smith is a former pro bowler with 6 years experience starting at LT, who never gave up a sack in the first 7 weeks last year until he hurt his back. Plus he is only 30.

He will be in open waters and GET PAID LOTS, because he still has 4-5 good seasons left in him.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-21-2008, 10:22 AM
Sounds like we are set to keep starks with the money we are giving him this year I just wish he would proceue and not be a bench warmer for that kind of money.

Starks can test the open market next year as a free agent and get the best deal possible, so why would he sign a deal with the steelers long term to stay???

Also, watch the Bills preseason game again in the 2nd quarter where Leftwich gets sacked and fumbles. Starks got beat to the outside, then overruns the DE to catch up and the DE beats him again to the inside, causing the fumble.

I honestly think Trai Essex is a better pass protector at LT than Starks and Ben would be in trouble with Starks back there.

stlrtruck
08-21-2008, 11:58 AM
Smith is a former pro bowler with 6 years experience starting at LT, who never gave up a sack in the first 7 weeks last year until he hurt his back. Plus he is only 30.

He will be in open waters and GET PAID LOTS, because he still has 4-5 good seasons left in him.

Yeah but if he has a "bad" year, his potential paycheck will be a busted dream. And if someone wants to over pay for his services, let them. I've seen the FO let some pretty solid players go and more times than not they've been good about finding replacements.

Alva Lord
08-22-2008, 06:30 PM
Face it people, Max Starks is a slow footed sloth that will never aspire to being anything more than a back up player with this team. The reason why he went as late as he did in the draft was because the knock on him was he had very slow feet. Nothing has changed. On top of that he's a big whimp. He lacks the intestinal fortitude, (mean streak) to overcome his physical limitations. We all know that Willie Colon is no better at pass protection than Starks is, but the Steelers decided to give him the starting nod over Starks, for the second year. Why? Because Willie has a mean streak.

Kevin Colbert should be publicly pistol whipped for tagging his worthless butt and wasting 6.9 million dollars.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-23-2008, 12:42 AM
Yeah but if he has a "bad" year, his potential paycheck will be a busted dream. And if someone wants to over pay for his services, let them. I've seen the FO let some pretty solid players go and more times than not they've been good about finding replacements.

Yes, but "overpaying" is a relative term. Just because its more than the Steelers are willing to offer doesnt mean its overpaying what the rest of the market will. LT's are valuable and for a team without one....Smith will be a bargain.

I know the Steelers are good about finding replacements, but there are no current LT's on the roster better than Smith and I cant find anybody with a list of potential free agents to replace him next season.

If that is true, then get ready to see a rookie LT, or Max "the matador" Starks on Ben's blind side :thmbdown:

Haiku_Dirtt
08-23-2008, 01:31 AM
This is the point that should be driven. We have vacancies to fill just like the Vegas casinos.

But in the worst malfeasance that has been perpetrated on America since the late 20's there is no credit and there are no prime lineman. Is this a trend? I don't know. Is the NCAA running shallow? I don't know.

What I do know is that as bad as they are playing we still need warm bodies to fill the roster. Don't look at the $7 million. Look at this as a two-year deal @ $3.5 M and we cut him after one year and eat 3.5 - not unlike taking the eight banger to the gas station to unload some green waste.

SteelersJW
08-23-2008, 07:46 AM
Is he even worth keeping? He hasn't looked good this preseason at all. His footwork is horrible and he leans with his body too much. Willie Colon is playing better than him right now and deserves to start.

Alva Lord
08-23-2008, 10:44 AM
Is he even worth keeping? He hasn't looked good this preseason at all. His footwork is horrible and he leans with his body too much. Willie Colon is playing better than him right now and deserves to start.
Heck no, he isn't worth keeping.

Starks Facts:

Starks entered the draft with one big issue: His slow feet.

He is a back up offensive lineman because he has failed to secure the RT job after two years of competition with Willie Colon.

Willie Colon's first starts were in weeks 16 and 17 of the 2006 season because he replaced an injured Starks. Colon had an unspectacular season in 2007.

Willie Colon is just as bad a pass protection as Starks is. Both get beat regularly by outside speed rushers.

2008 - Kevin Colbert placed the transition tag on Starks paying him 6.9 million dollars for the up coming season. That amount is equal to the seven highest paid at his position. Let's remember that that amount is for guys that are starters, not backups.

Starks entered the 2008 training camp with the knowledge that he was going to compete with Colon, again, for the starting RT position. Starks, once again, failed to win the starting job.

Max Starks is a backup and that's all he's ever going to be for the Steelers.

Max Starks becomes a unrestricted free agent after the season. Don't let the door hit you on the back side on the way out Max.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-23-2008, 11:26 AM
OK, we can agree that Starks isnt worth keeping and Smith is getting old and will probably not get another deal from the Steelers.

Now we have stated the problem, so somebody come up with a solution. WHO IS GONNA PLAY LT NEXT SEASON?

The Duke
08-23-2008, 01:06 PM
OK, we can agree that Starks isnt worth keeping and Smith is getting old and will probably not get another deal from the Steelers.

Now we have stated the problem, so somebody come up with a solution. WHO IS GONNA PLAY LT NEXT SEASON?

if only we still had kuhn. all our problems would be more than solved :crying02:

Alva Lord
08-24-2008, 09:37 AM
Now we have stated the problem, so somebody come up with a solution. WHO IS GONNA PLAY LT NEXT SEASON?
:coffee: If anyone has a solution at this time then they need to be working for the Steelers.

Alva Lord
08-24-2008, 09:39 AM
if only we still had kuhn. all our problems would be more than solved :crying02:
If Kuhn was so good he would still be with the team. By the way, what would Kuhn's being on the team do to fix the OL problems?

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-24-2008, 10:47 AM
if only we still had kuhn. all our problems would be more than solved :crying02:

True Dat!

Preacher
08-24-2008, 12:50 PM
If Kuhn was so good he would still be with the team. By the way, what would Kuhn's being on the team do to fix the OL problems?

Re-read the Duke's post.


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rbryan
08-24-2008, 12:50 PM
The solution is that we just drafted two big OL in the first three rounds of the.....nevermind I was dreaming again.