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stillers4me
08-22-2008, 09:25 AM
Vikings pose a tough test
Friday, August 22, 2008


By BOB LABRIOLA
Steelers.com

To say it doesn’t count in the standings isn’t the same as saying it doesn’t mean anything.

At 8 p.m. on Saturday, the Steelers will face the Minnesota Vikings, and because it will be only the third of four preseason games for both teams the result won’t count in the standings. But Coach Mike Tomlin nevertheless believes the game will be meaningful.

“We are extremely excited this week to be playing the Minnesota Vikings for a lot of reasons,” said Tomlin during his weekly news conference. “There couldn’t be a better team to play, I think, in the third preseason game than the Vikings. They are a very physical football team, and that’s not just from a reputation standpoint. They have video evidence and statistical evidence to back that up. They are No. 1 in the league in running the football and No. 1 in the league in stopping the run. What a great measuring stick for us here this week with where we are in our development.”

In 2007, the Vikings ran the football better than any other team in the NFL, because they had halfbacks Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor operating behind an offensive line manned by frequent Pro Bowl participants Matt Birk and Steve Hutchinson. And their ability to stop the run came primarily from their immovable defensive tackles – Pat Williams and Kevin Williams.

Remember the problems the Steelers run defense had last season with Jacksonville’s Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew? Well, Peterson and Taylor were more productive in 2007, to the tune of an extra 215 yards combined and five more touchdowns.

This test comes at a time when the Steelers defense needs to put together a solid performance, because so far this preseason the first-team has allowed two touchdowns and a field goal in four total series. That moved James Harrison to offer a stinging critique of the defense’s performance.

“We're going out there and treating the preseason too much like the preseason,” said Harrison. “We're going out there and thinking everything is just going to come when the regular season begins, and we're just out there playing snap for snap, getting our timing and not playing up to the level we’re capable of playing at. I don't feel that's OK.”

In defending the defense, the point was made that the Steelers did little-to-no game planning for their first two preseason games, but there is little disagreement regarding the quality of the team’s tackling against the Eagles and then the Bills in Toronto.

“We didn’t tackle well,” said Tomlin. “We didn’t tackle well in the first preseason game and we didn’t tackle well in the second preseason game. It can’t become a habit; it can’t become us. I think the guys understand that and hopefully it will turn up in Minnesota where we are tackling well.

“One thing is for certain, if we do not tackle well, they have a couple of backs, No. 28 (Adrian Peterson) and No. 29 (Chester Taylor) who can go up-and-down the field on you. We are certainly well aware of that.”

Tomlin said the Steelers regulars will play at least the first half, and in his mind the regulars include the guys who will be rotated into the offensive and defensive units come Sept. 7.

“We will look at some of the division of labor that we focused on going in,” said Tomlin. “Even though they aren’t technical starters you will see Rashard Mendenhall play some, Lawrence Timmons play some and so forth.”

Also still up for grabs, apparently, is the starting job at center. Sean Mahan started the preseason opener against the Eagles, and then Justin Hartwig was with the first unit in Toronto against the Bills. Tomlin admitted that in his opinion, neither Mahan nor Hartwig has stepped up and claimed the job for his own, and so the evaluation process will continue.

“Right now Justin is the one we are going with,” said Tomlin. “We have a better idea of what Sean (Mahan) is capable of. To get a fair evaluation of the two men at this time I think it is better to run Justin with the first group.”

Tomlin also said Saturday’s game will be an opportunity to get a look at Santonio Holmes as a punt returner. As a rookie in 2006, Holmes averaged 10.2 yards on 26 returns, and he also brought one back 65 yards for a touchdown.

Last season, Holmes’ second in the NFL, Tomlin wanted the former No. 1 pick to concentrate on honing his skills as a wide receiver, and this summer the team has been looking at Mewelde Moore, Willie Reid and Jeremy Bloom in that role. But just as training camp was about to break, Tomlin said he would give Holmes some opportunities to return punts, both now and in the regular season.

“Really, it is going to depend on whether or not we are capable of stopping them,” said Tomlin about how many times Holmes might be back as the return man in Minnesota. “Hopefully he gets a bunch. Tentatively we are going to give him a couple of looks at it because we have some other men that we want to continue to work. I thought it would be nice to target this game as a game to get him some in-game action and prepare for the upcoming season.”

http://news.steelers.com/article/94006/

WisconsinSteelerMan
08-22-2008, 11:31 AM
I am going to this game in Minnesota, so I really hope the first team steps it up a notch. This will be my 11-year-old Daughter's first live game, too!!

Mike in La Crosse, WI

steeltheone
08-22-2008, 11:39 AM
I realize they will gain some yardage. I just don't wanna see any more poor tackling.

SteelMember
08-22-2008, 12:14 PM
This team will be a good test as far as the run game and the battle in the trenches. They will probably be without Tarvaris, leaving them with Ferotte(:banging:oh my head) and Bollinger, so I think we are going to see our fair share of run with 2 pretty good RB's. Another point is there 3rd down conversion rate, something near 60%. This is another area we have been in trouble with. Our D seems to work so hard on 1st and 2nd only to give it up on 3rd. We need to have better success getting off the field. Definatly need to see some better tackling all around.

On the other side, they have a good run D. This is going to be a challenge for our line, something we have all been looking at. I think we will get a good indication of how they stack up. Hopefully there will be some quick plays to get outside and some good play action to counter. I think there biggest weakness is their secondary, so if Ben can get it to the wideouts we should have some success there. GOIN' DEEP!:chuckle: I think we'd all agree that we definately don't want to see J.Allen anywhere near Ben.

Ahh, Football.....What a game. I can't wait! Go Steelers! :tt03:

STEELtownHAVOX
08-22-2008, 12:49 PM
Ahh, Football.....What a game. I can't wait! Go Steelers! :tt03:

yessur:helmet:

The Duke
08-22-2008, 12:52 PM
They will probably be without Tarvaris, leaving them with Ferotte(:banging:oh my head) and Bollinger,



which reminds me....isn't john david booty with them?

I liked him at USC, so it should be fun seeing him against the steelers backups

STEELtownHAVOX
08-22-2008, 01:09 PM
which reminds me....isn't john david booty with them?

I liked him at USC, so it should be fun seeing him against the steelers backups


Yes he is there, I'm sure we'll see some PT from him. I heard Tarvaris is out, and Ferotte is starting.

Mosca
08-22-2008, 02:58 PM
Also, the poor tackling isn't something from just this preseason. Quite a few of us noticed that last year we were getting sloppy at times, and it cost us some of the games we lost.

steeltheone
08-22-2008, 03:19 PM
Also, the poor tackling isn't something from just this preseason. Quite a few of us noticed that last year we were getting sloppy at times, and it cost us some of the games we lost.

You are so correct!

lilyoder6
08-22-2008, 03:23 PM
TJ prob wont play the final 2 games so he can get better.. but it will be an exciting game 2 watch

HometownGal
08-22-2008, 03:33 PM
The Vikes are big, strong and very physical, so I agree with Coach T that this week's game is going to be a test as to where each unit stands and where improvements are paramound before the start of the regular season. It's also going to be a good gauge as to our depth.

Bring 'em on! :tt02::tt03:

Alva Lord
08-22-2008, 03:54 PM
James Harrison:

“We're going out there and treating the preseason too much like the preseason,” said Harrison. “We're going out there and thinking everything is just going to come when the regular season begins, and we're just out there playing snap for snap, getting our timing and not playing up to the level we’re capable of playing at. I don't feel that's OK.”

That's all that needs to be said. Practice like you expect to play.

Galax Steeler
08-23-2008, 07:15 AM
This is going to be a big test for us to see if we can stop the run Peterson is a good back so if we can stop him then we should be able to stop just about anybody.

redst3
08-23-2008, 08:41 AM
which reminds me....isn't john david booty with them?

I liked him at USC, so it should be fun seeing him against the steelers backups

He would be a better fit in Tampa Bay, as pirates are always looking for "Booty.":laughing:

Texasteel
08-23-2008, 09:05 AM
Also, the poor tackling isn't something from just this preseason. Quite a few of us noticed that last year we were getting sloppy at times, and it cost us some of the games we lost.

Can't hardly miss the sloppy tackling lately. Seems like it started the last quarter of last year. We're not use to our guys having a hard time wrapping people up. I hope we don't see that tonight.

The Vikings are a team I alway want to beat. :tt03:

Atlanta Dan
08-23-2008, 09:12 AM
Also, the poor tackling isn't something from just this preseason. Quite a few of us noticed that last year we were getting sloppy at times, and it cost us some of the games we lost.

Agreed

If the first team D gets shredded by a run first offense under Ferrotte it would appear the bad habits that were showing up after the Monday night Ravens game have not been cured

I also am interested in seeing how the O-line, which purportedly is now all on the same page regarding blocking schemes, does against a quality Vikes DL

But pre-season Job One remains the same - no major injuries to starters

STEELAMANIA
08-23-2008, 11:57 AM
If Tyrone Carter isn't cut by Monday I'm gonna .............but anyway, I'm focusing more on the rookies and FAs, because either team game planned. This game is for those who are truly trying to win a spot......we already know what the starters can do.

Havik
08-24-2008, 10:57 AM
The defense looked great, but the offense played poorly. It was an ugly win, but still a win.

stlrtruck
08-25-2008, 01:37 PM
From what I saw of the game the tough test wasn't the vik-queens but ourselves.

Sloppy throws
Inability to hold on to the ball
Sporaidic offensive line play
flat out laziness

Alva Lord
08-25-2008, 03:23 PM
From what I saw of the game the tough test wasn't the vik-queens but ourselves.

Sloppy throws
Inability to hold on to the ball
Sporaidic offensive line play
flat out laziness
In addition Hartwig, Simmons and Colon were simply out matched.