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tony hipchest
08-24-2008, 10:24 PM
welcome to the steelers mr. fox!:drink:

his play on special teams has been great. he is usually one of the 1sts down field and he is a special teams enforcer, much like james harrison was (and is for the defense). he's tuff and seems to have a mean streak. dont take no bs from anyone. he is a steeler. i think humpal can make it on the practice squad w/o being snatched up.

#37- i was hoping this was the versatile lewis but it was anthony madison. you could tell he was fighting for a job on saturday. pretty sound on special teams and was one of the 1st ones down to make a tackle. he may be nothing more than a career special teamer though. lewis can probably stick on the practice squad, and be a fine call-up if a safety or cb go down during the season.

dallas baker and willie reid- reid has potential to ba a wr in the league. i dont think anyone would steal baker off the practice squad in his 2nd year.

mundy- with his injury i think its a longshot anyone would snag him offa practice squad. while many thought carter or anthony smith were hanging by a thread, im pretty sure they are not only safe, but much too valuable to piss into the wind.

drummond- im not even sure why he is here. we will be just as good w/o him. as a positional player, there is nobody he will supplant. i think he is gone.

dixon is a no brainer. steelers will have 3 qb's.

carey davis has shown nothing (where has he been on st's?) and i have no idea who our 3rd TE will be (although i assume it will be someone with enough position flexibility to play FB in a pinch).

gary russell hasnt shown much vs. 2nd and 3rd stringers. i'd hate to see it, but wouldnt be suprised if he was cut to see someone more productive on special teams make it. parker, mewelde, and mendenhall all have potential to be #1 backs. i still dont know if russell does.

pick a punter. i dont think it matters much. as a 1 year fill in, i say it it berger. but has he ever had a punt blocked?

arnold harrisson- will get a job with the bengals as soon as hes cut. he isnt great but is an experienced backup who has learned from the best. i think he sticks, with humpal, waiting on the practice squad.

jjpro11
08-24-2008, 11:51 PM
i dont really consider keyaron fox or carey davis bubble players. fox was signed during free agency to stay and davis is our starting fullback.

verks36
08-24-2008, 11:54 PM
ya i dont really see davis as a bubble player. There is really no chance at all he is going to get cut.

Drummond will get cut we dont need hin

Galax Steeler
08-25-2008, 03:33 AM
I have to agree with Drummond he hasn't shown that much I can see him gettting cut pretty soon.

Steeldude
08-25-2008, 04:03 AM
IMO, moore isn't worth dressing on gameday. i am sure they can use mendenhall as the 3rd down back.

bruce davis and hills should be practice squad players, but it probably won't happen.

carey davis, baker, reid and drummond are expendable. i feel latsko could do davis' job or a TE.

86WARD
08-25-2008, 06:40 AM
Fox is awesome on special teams. Willie Reid made a nice case to stay Saturday night. He was impressive at the WR position.

Mewelde Moore will be returning punts. He's the best punt returner on this team. He's one of the best 3rd Down backs in the league and if they don't dress him, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Moore is a very underrated player...

Carey Davis stays...this offense is so much better with a FB in it...

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-25-2008, 07:51 AM
Fox is awesome on special teams. Willie Reid made a nice case to stay Saturday night. He was impressive at the WR position.

Mewelde Moore will be returning punts. He's the best punt returner on this team. He's one of the best 3rd Down backs in the league and if they don't dress him, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Moore is a very underrated player...

Carey Davis stays...this offense is so much better with a FB in it...

I agree on all of these points, but the way I see it .....Billy Latsko showed he is a better FB than Davis in this past game.

Tony Hills might not make the 53 man roster. I'm thinking that the 4 reserves kept on the O line will be Starks, Essex, Mahan, Stapleton. Stapleton had a nice pull around the left side on that run where Mendenhall tightroped the sideline.

rbryan
08-25-2008, 08:37 AM
Fox makes the team, somebody has to tackle on ST. Moore isn't going anywhere as he's one of Tomlins pet FA picks. Hills has to stay for me to maintain sanity (How can we possibly cut the only OL we drafted?)

Drummond is all but gone, maybe he and Reid can share a cab. I never liked Davis, maybe he can squeeze into the trunk.

Steeldude
08-25-2008, 08:46 AM
Mewelde Moore will be returning punts. He's the best punt returner on this team.


he is? based on what?

tony hipchest
08-25-2008, 08:49 AM
he is? based on what?his has the highest average for punt return in the history of the vikings. :noidea: that doesnt say much for his competition on the steelers but what competition does he really have on the steelers?

as much as i wanna see santonio back there, i really dont wanna see him getting nailed 2-3 times a game.

SteelMember
08-25-2008, 10:27 AM
This is tough. The extra QB spot is something we haven't accounted for in some time.

QB-Ben, Lefty, Dixon
RB/FB-Parker, Mendy, Moore,Russell,Davis
WR-Hines,Holmes,Washington,Sweed, Reid or Baker toss up
TE-Heath,Spaeth,Boyd
OL-Colon,Simmons,Hartwig,Kemo,Marvel,Essex,Mahan,Star ks,Stapleton, Hills or Legursky. I might keep Legursky for the flexibility
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DL-Smith,Hampton,Keisel,Kirschke,Hoke,Roye,Eason
LB-Woodley, Foote,Farrior,Harrison,Timmons,Fox,A.Harrison,Davi s
CB-Taylor,Townsent,McFadden, then Madison,Gay,Lewis - pick 2
S-Troy,Smith,Clark,Carter
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SP-Reed,Ernster,Warren
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Alva Lord
08-25-2008, 10:35 AM
Fox is awesome on special teams. Willie Reid made a nice case to stay Saturday night. He was impressive at the WR position.

Mewelde Moore will be returning punts. He's the best punt returner on this team. He's one of the best 3rd Down backs in the league and if they don't dress him, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Moore is a very underrated player...

Carey Davis stays...this offense is so much better with a FB in it...
I agree with you on Moore.

Carey Davis does ok with the ball in his hands in short yardage situations, but he's a terrible lead blocking fullback. No one will ever associate Davis with Dan Kreider.

fansince'76
08-25-2008, 10:43 AM
his has the highest average for punt return in the history of the vikings. :noidea: that doesnt say much for his competition on the steelers but what competition does he really have on the steelers?

as much as i wanna see santonio back there, i really dont wanna see him getting nailed 2-3 times a game.

Agreed. Until our return unit learns how to form a decent wedge (something I still have yet to see happen with any consistency since Ligashesky became STs coach), nobody is going to break a long one - they'll get 5-10 yards on the return and get whacked. Like you, I don't want to see our #1 WR (yes, IMO Santo supplants Ward as the #1 WR this year) taking those hits.

19ward86
08-25-2008, 10:53 AM
Carey Davis is an okay FB, not quite a Dan Kreider. Fox can stay and i hope nobody steals Mundy.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-25-2008, 12:55 PM
Here is the final roster that we all voted on a couple of months ago....so how did we do at this point?

Steelers Fever Projected Final Roster

QB:
Roethlisberger, Ben
Batch, Charlie
Dixon, Dennis QB

TE:
Miller, Heath
Spaeth, Matt
Boyd, Cody

WR:
Ward, Hines
Holmes, Santonio
Sweed, Limas
Washington, Nate
Baker, Dallas

RB:
Parker, Willie
Mendenhall, Rashard
Moore, Mewelde
Russell, Gary

FB:
Davis, Carey FB

O-Line
Smith, Marvel OT
Colon, Willie OT
Starks, Max OT
Hills, Tony OT
Simmons, Kendall OG
Kemoeatu, Chris OG
Stapleton, Darnell OG/C
Mahan, Sean OG/C
Hartwig, Justin C


D-Line
Aaron Smith DE
Kiesel,Brett DE
McBean, Ryan DE
Kirschke, Travis DE
Hampton, Casey NT
Hoke, Chris NT

LB:
Woodley LaMarr OLB
Farrior, James ILB
Foote, Larry RILB
Harrison, James ROLB
Lawence Timmons ILB
Davis, Bruce LB
Fox, Keyaron LB
Frazier, Andre ROLB
Humpal, Mike LB

CB:
Taylor, Ike
Gay, William
Townsend, Deshea
McFadden, Bryant
Madison, Anthony

S:
Polamalu, Troy SS
Carter, Tyrone SS
Smith, Anthony FS
Clark, Ryan FS
Mundy, Ryan S

ST:
Warren, Greg LS
Reed, Jeff PK
Sepulveda, Daniel P

Practice Team

1) Clement, Kyle DL
2) Capizzi, Jason OT
3) Williams, Travis CB
4) Rucker, Micah WR
5) Paxson, Scott NT
6) Dekker, Jonathan TE
7) Trannon, Matt WR
8) Reffett, Jordan DL

tony hipchest
08-25-2008, 01:02 PM
i still like reid better than baker. baker cant return punts either.

a. harrison over frazier.

roye over mcbean?

madison looked good on ST the other day. does the versatile lewis knock him or mundy out of a spot? i think lewis goes to practice squad (and there is some room there). cappizi is gone and bloom and potts were just cut.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-25-2008, 01:06 PM
i still like reid better than baker. baker cant return punts either.

a. harrison over frazier.

roye over mcbean?

madison looked good on ST the other day. does the versatile lewis knock him or mundy out of a spot? i think lewis goes to practice squad (and there is some room there). cappizi is gone and bloom and potts were just cut.

I gotta agree with all your picks....and add that Trannon was cut also

SteelMember
08-25-2008, 01:41 PM
i still like reid better than baker. baker cant return punts either.

a. harrison over frazier.

roye over mcbean?

madison looked good on ST the other day. does the versatile lewis knock him or mundy out of a spot? i think lewis goes to practice squad (and there is some room there). cappizi is gone and bloom and potts were just cut.

That list is very close to what I guess, although there is an extra LB and S instead of an extra O and D linemen. I just felt we needed more depth there. I like both Humpal and Mundy, but I don't know if they have enough reps to make a strong case for. Also, Lewis has out played Gay to this point.imo Plus versitility. Either way, that would be the last 3-4 players and they will be the toughest to choose.

SteelMember
08-25-2008, 01:44 PM
Practice Squad
Hills,Humpal,Mundy,McBean,Baker,Paxon,Sherrod,Will iams

Alva Lord
08-25-2008, 02:12 PM
i still like reid better than baker. baker cant return punts either.
Neither can Reid.

a. harrison over frazier.

roye over mcbean?
That's a no brainer. McBean is history.

madison looked good on ST the other day. does the versatile lewis knock him or mundy out of a spot? i think lewis goes to practice squad (and there is some room there). cappizi is gone and bloom and potts were just cut.
It could be that Roy Lewis earns a roster spot because of his versatility.

OneForTheToe
08-25-2008, 02:57 PM
Practice Squad
Hills,Humpal,Mundy,McBean,Baker,Paxon,Sherrod,Will iams

I don't see Hills on the practice squad. He would be picked up by another team. otherwise, I agree.

I also don't see Essex's name on that list and I think he is on the team, no doubt. Roye definately over someone.

Blitzburgh_Fever
08-25-2008, 03:55 PM
I'll offer a short summary and then go a bit more in-depth as to my reasoning.

Secondary
No way we're getting rid of Gay, he's potentially the 3rd best CB we have, and he's definitely the 4th best. Lewis goes to practice squad.

I think we'd all like to see Lewis stay, but I think he goes and Madison is our guy. I'd honestly feel more comfortable w/ Deshea moving to S and Taylor/McFadden playing CB with Gay as nickel (and that's assuming we get 2+ injuries) than putting Lewis in.

RB
Probably we keep all four. Of the four I'd drop Davis over anyone. He has nice hands, but FB that can run mediocre are a dime a dozen. Moore, Russel, Mendenhall, and Parker all add more to our game than Davis does.

Russel stays as well. I'm not sure I understand people saying he hasn't shown much against 2nd and 3rd teams. It may be 2nd stringers, but he's still plowing into DL -- and moving them. I'm more than pleased with how Mendenhall has progressed, but Russel is still our short down back. I'd rather get rid of Davis over Russel to be honest, he's good enough to be a #2 most places, which he will be if we cut him.

QB
Roethlisberger, Leftwich, Dixon.

We'll start throwing Dixon in when we're way up around week 12 if Roethlisberger isn't hurt. Leftwich has looked really good though, and if we need to put a backup in to win (God forbid), I feel secure he can do it.

WR
Ward, Holmes, Washington, Sweed, Reid.

First four are obvious, though Sweed is arguably our worst WR in preseason so far (WR is really hard to pick up though, especially when he hasn't played in the slot much, he's fine for a rookie). Reid simply adds more than Baker. We have a lot of big targets, and I dislike Reid as much as anyone, but he keeps making a case to stay. Besides, as someone pointed our, Moore is our foremost PR, but if he gets hurt I don't want Santo stepping in. Reid can do adequately to not risk injury to a major player. Nothing near impressive, but I'd rather be below-average and injury free than Santo going down or getting tired.

Others
Rest is pretty well set in my eyes. Only questionable is LB, where we keep J. Harrison, Farrior, Foote, Woodley, Timmons, and Fox for sure.

ShutDown24
08-25-2008, 07:30 PM
IMO, moore isn't worth dressing on gameday. i am sure they can use mendenhall as the 3rd down back.

bruce davis and hills should be practice squad players, but it probably won't happen.

carey davis, baker, reid and drummond are expendable. i feel latsko could do davis' job or a TE.

I'm more than very certain Bruce Davis would get picked up in a second if we attempted to practice squad him.

paw-n-maul-u
08-26-2008, 01:47 AM
yeah bruce davis would be gone. Hills ... Maybe ... I def. would put Mundy, Humpal on PS for a year of weight and conditioning.

Fox is def. not a bubble.

I'd rather Have baker over reid. Cheaper ... taller ... sure a little less versatile. But he was the best receiver on a national championship team and a better redzone target in five wides.

GBMelBlount
08-26-2008, 06:04 AM
Sure miss Randle El!!

Welcome To Cutsville, Population: Jeremy Bloom

Jeremy Bloom, late of a 2006 Under Armour commercial, was released by the Steelers today along with DL Martavius Prince and 73rd string QB Mike Potts. Bloom was the first casualty in the battle for kick returning duties, now a two-horse race between the constantly injured Willie Reid and newcomer Eddie Drummond.

So, what's the play now? I doubt the Steelers have the room to keep both Reid and Drummond on the roster. Drummond made the Pro Bowl as a kick returner in 2004, but has been pretty average since then. They list him as a WR, technically, but let's face it, he can't really play any offense at all. Reid has an excellent chance of winning the team's fifth WR slot, for which he's battling with Dallas Baker. Willie winning that job and taking over the kick returning duties would be a huge win for the Steelers roster management situation, freeing up an extra slot for another DB or extra offensive linemen.

The problem with Reid is, he's hurt all the time. Can you trust him to stay healthy and try to reap the benefits of the roster consolidation he allows? Or do you go with some combo of Reid/Drummond/Baker and hedge your bet? I'd probably keep Reid AND Baker, since Willie isn't exactly a bona fide shoo-in to succeed at that WR slot, let alone stay off of IR. That is, unless the team was sure they could pass Baker through waivers and get him onto the practice squad. Then I'd think about keeping both him and Drummond for a bit, just to see if either gets it going running back kickoffs/punts.

By Thejim
25 Aug 2008 11:05 pm

http://www.sportsocracy.org/?p=1206

jjpro11
08-26-2008, 07:47 AM
Sure miss Randle El!!



By Thejim
25 Aug 2008 11:05 pm

http://www.sportsocracy.org/?p=1206

i really have no clue what they are going to do to be honest. i think moore is well capable of handling pun returns, but we still need to choose a 5th receiver.

SteelMember
08-26-2008, 08:14 AM
Sure miss Randle El!!



By Thejim
25 Aug 2008 11:05 pm

http://www.sportsocracy.org/?p=1206

I think Drummond will be cut. He does not offer enough versitility to play as 5th WR, and there isn't enough room for a specialist.:noidea:

Alva Lord
08-26-2008, 08:28 AM
I think Drummond will be cut. He does not offer enough versitility to play as 5th WR, and there isn't enough room for a specialist.:noidea:
I have to agree since Drummond has not distinguished himself as a returner to justify keeping him. He's not even a viable option at receiver. That makes him a specialist and like coach Cowher, Tomlin likes versatility in his players.

lilyoder6
08-26-2008, 08:58 AM
i think drummond was a waste of time and effort to bring him in here to see if he can do something.. he's too old and rly didn't do anything special in his career

tony hipchest
08-26-2008, 01:18 PM
i think drummond was a waste of time and effort to bring him in here to see if he can do something.. he's too old and rly didn't do anything special in his careerdue diligence is never a waste of time or effort...

lilyoder6
08-26-2008, 03:43 PM
i say reid will show he can stay healthy and actually show he is a viable 5th strign wr

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-26-2008, 11:02 PM
I'd rather Have baker over reid. Cheaper ... taller ... sure a little less versatile. But he was the best receiver on a national championship team and a better redzone target in five wides.

Baker is the new Walter Young....he can get sent to the PS and nobody will sign him off it again this season. He still needs another year IMO.

Vincent Jackson thinks that Baker is just another tall WR with a college resume that has not performed to expectations.

I agree that Hills will probably be signed off our PS if sent there, but it wouldnt surprise me if he doesnt make the final 53.

tony hipchest
08-27-2008, 12:40 AM
I'd rather Have baker over reid. Cheaper ... taller ... sure a little less versatile. But he was the best receiver on a national championship team and a better redzone target in five wides.so youre gonna take HEATH MILLER off the field in the redzone just to run a 5 wide set with BAKER???? :doh:

thanks... but no thanks.

miller, parker, mendenhall, moore, washington, (even dixon), etc., are much more valuable and proven to EVER be removed from the field in favor of freaking dallas baker.

unlike 1995, i doubt we EVER see a 5 wr set in 2008, ( atleast not one one with baker... barring multiple injuries of course).

paw-n-maul-u
08-27-2008, 12:48 AM
so youre gonna take HEATH MILLER off the field in the redzone just to run a 5 wide set with BAKER???? :doh:

thanks... but no thanks.

miller, parker, mendenhall, moore, washington, (even dixon), etc., are much more valuable and proven to EVER be removed from the field in favor of freaking dallas baker.

unlike 1995, i doubt we EVER see a 5 wr set in 2008, ( atleast not one one with baker... barring multiple injuries of course).

wtf?

... I said I would rather have Dallas Baker than willie reid. What does that have to do with heath miller? Sure, think of something. I'm sure you'll sound smart.

Usually I agree with you. But if I wanna play devils advocate ... Dallas baker has played (and scored TD's) in a bigger game than BOTH Dixon and Mendenhall. As well as had experience in the league. Whatever, u were nitpicking.

redst3
08-29-2008, 02:30 AM
Drummond is history

http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/2008/08/those-who-shined-those-who-didnt.html#links