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Steelman16
08-26-2008, 08:24 PM
STATEMENT BY COMMISSIONER ROGER GOODELL:



We had a very constructive 2 -hour meeting today. I think everyone now has an even better understanding of the issues, which focus on the league's gambling policy as it relates to ownership, our 30 percent equity rule for principal owners, and the Rooney family issues.

There are also important league interests that are involved because the NFL owners are partners collectively in the NFL and our rules require that all ownership transfers be approved by three-quarters of the owners. So I thought it would make sense on that basis to have NFL owners involved in the meeting and I invited Tom Benson, Mike Brown, and Jerry Richardson to participate, which they did.

Today was another step in the process. We will continue the dialogue and I am optimistic that we will bring it to a resolution in the near future.

http://news.steelers.com/article/94197/

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Just another "step in the process". :coffee:

fansince'76
08-26-2008, 08:27 PM
Hey Rog, how many fingers am I holding up? :countdown

Assclown.

tony hipchest
08-26-2008, 08:38 PM
thats the great thing about steelerfans. even though this date and meeting have been looming and hanging over our team like a black cloud, it seems the actual game comes first and we are talking about final cuts and whether hartwig should replace mahan.

this issue is almost an aftert hought now.

its a far cry from other teams fanbases where goodell, specter, and perceived espn slights are bigger than the game itself.

Atlanta Dan
08-26-2008, 08:49 PM
"Today was another step in the process. We will continue the dialogue and I am optimistic that we will bring it to a resolution in the near future."

In other words, Goodell made the other Rooney brothers an offer they couldn't refuse... Luca Brasi held a gun to their heads and Goodell assured the brothers that either their brains or their signatures would be on a contract selling their shares to Dan and AJR II.

Goodell is out of line here - if owners want to sell their shares the issue is the creditworthiness of the buyer. The P-G story this morning that Dan's owner buddies will veto a sale to Druckenmiller while forcing a sale that Dan and AJRII can somehow finance by getting Visa to increase their credit limit is not in the best interests of the franchise, just protecting an insider.

CantStop85
08-26-2008, 09:44 PM
Good thing Mike Brown was there! :chuckle:

CanadianSteel
08-26-2008, 09:47 PM
I was concerned this might happen, Good ole Roger and Dan are tight and maybe he is helping protect Dan Rooneys interest in team.
Love Dan and all he has done for the Steelers but not sure a sale to Drukenmiller would be a bad thing.
Don't want Dan going into debty and that hurting the football team....

fansince'76
08-26-2008, 10:00 PM
I was concerned this might happen, Good ole Roger and Dan are tight and maybe he is helping protect Dan Rooneys interest in team.
Love Dan and all he has done for the Steelers but not sure a sale to Drukenmiller would be a bad thing.
Don't want Dan going into debty and that hurting the football team....

Not so sure it would be a good thing, either. The only thing I know about this Druckenmiller guy is that he's stinking rich and he's a big fan of the team he wants to buy. Dan Snyder was the same way. How has that worked out for the 'Skins? The only other thing I know is that the status quo that was in place for decades before that jackass Goodell arrived on the scene was all of a sudden not kosher anymore. Sorry, I refuse to make Dan Rooney the bad guy in all of this. By the way, when are the Packers going to be made to comply with the 30% majority ownership rule, seeing as how the gambling hurdle in this mess has already been cleared?

The Rooneys have interest in two racetracks and the NFL has ordered them to get out of the gaming business. To comply, Art says he has resigned from the racetrack boards and Tim and Pat have resigned from the Steeler board. But ownership of the team is another matter.

"So we're cooperating and moving toward resolving the gaming part of it but I don't think that there's any way that we can resolve the ownership deal where one guy has 30 percent of it," Rooney said. "I just don't think that's in cards."

http://kdka.com/steelers/art.rooney.steelers.2.784101.html

MACH1
08-26-2008, 10:04 PM
Good thing Mike Brown was there! :chuckle:

Chit....Were doomed!!!!

Maybe he was there as a example on how not to run your team. :chuckle:

I'm kind of on the fence on this one. I want the team to remain in the Rooney family, but not go so far in debt that it hinders the team to do it. :noidea:

tony hipchest
08-26-2008, 10:47 PM
"Today was another step in the process. We will continue the dialogue and I am optimistic that we will bring it to a resolution in the near future."

In other words, Goodell made the other Rooney brothers an offer they couldn't refuse... Luca Brasi held a gun to their heads and Goodell assured the brothers that either their brains or their signatures would be on a contract selling their shares to Dan and AJR II.

Goodell is out of line here - if owners want to sell their shares the issue is the creditworthiness of the buyer. The P-G story this morning that Dan's owner buddies will veto a sale to Druckenmiller while forcing a sale that Dan and AJRII can somehow finance by getting Visa to increase their credit limit is not in the best interests of the franchise, just protecting an insider.
:noidea: ....but Druckenmiller was only offering cold hard cash. plus doesnt VISA Field have a much nicer ring to it than Heinz Field?

kudos to druck for putting up a valiant effort. im almost 100% positive he woulda carried on the proud steelers tradition and always done what was best for the team (both as a fan and a business owner).

Atlanta Dan
08-26-2008, 10:50 PM
:noidea: ....but Druckenmiller was only offering cold hard cash. plus doesnt VISA Field have a much nicer ring to it than Heinz Field?

kudos to druck for putting up a valiant effort. im almost 100% positive he woulda carried on the proud steelers tradition and always done what was best for the team (both as a fan and a business owner).

Maybe to sweeten the deal AJRII and Dan can tell the other brothers they will get the frequent flyer miles that will be earned by financing the purchase on the credit card:chuckle:

RoethlisBURGHer
08-26-2008, 10:58 PM
Okay, so it's perfectly fine for the New England Patriots to cheat their way to three Super Bowl Championships.

But the Rooneys must comply with the 30% majority owership rule. If they wanted to, they could take it to court and get grandfathered in.

I expect Good Deal to go after the Packers and force them to get actual ownership when he's done with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

tony hipchest
08-26-2008, 11:39 PM
Maybe to sweeten the deal AJRII and Dan can tell the other brothers they will get the frequent flyer miles that will be earned by financing the purchase on the credit card:chuckle:you mean on those frequent trips they make to the 'burgh to enjoy those luxury ownership boxes at the steeler games, right? :wink02:

Galax Steeler
08-27-2008, 04:12 AM
I just wish this would get over with so we can get on with the season.

Atlanta Dan
08-27-2008, 07:53 AM
The fix is in

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell spoke loud and clear yesterday to those Rooney brothers who might want to sell the Steelers to outside interests: The league and its owners will do everything in their power to keep Dan Rooney and his son in control of the franchise.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08240/907193-66.stm

Dan Rooney, God bless him, is 75 years old - this has nothing to do with keeping Dan in control of the Steelers; that control already has been handed down to his arrogant son.

This is all about keeping trust fund baby AJR II in control - how AJR II is a NFL legend that is owed anything escapes me

The Roomeys digging the franchise deeply into debt so AJR II does not need to work for a living is simply wrong. Dan and AJR II are like Joe Paterno, proceeding on the arrogant assumption that what is in their self-interest is all that matters.

However, this is not the first rodeo for Goldman Sachs and Druckenmiller when it comes to dealing with entrenched owners that do not want to let go - the NFL is being beaten up by the cable companies when it comes to NFL Network and perhaps the league is about to get another lesson in hardball business negotiations.

fansince'76
08-27-2008, 08:18 AM
The league and its owners will do everything in their power to keep Dan Rooney and his son in control of the franchise.

If that's the case, why not just grant an exemption to the Rooneys from the 30% majority ownership rule? You know, kind of like what the NFL is doing for the Packers? The current Steelers ownership structure which supposedly violates that rule apparently predates the rule itself anyway (I sincerely doubt the Chief would have left 16% controlling interest to each of the brothers if that rule was already in place). Seems simple enough to me. :coffee:

tunes4life
08-27-2008, 08:22 AM
The fix is in

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell spoke loud and clear yesterday to those Rooney brothers who might want to sell the Steelers to outside interests: The league and its owners will do everything in their power to keep Dan Rooney and his son in control of the franchise.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08240/907193-66.stm

Dan Rooney, God bless him, is 75 years old - this has nothing to do with keeping Dan in control of the Steelers; that control already has been handed down to his arrogant son.

This is all about keeping trust fund baby AJR II in control - how AJR II is a NFL legend that is owed anything escapes me

The Rooneys digging the franchise deeply into debt so AJR II does not need to work for a living is simply wrong. Dan and AJR II are like Joe Paterno, proceeding on the arrogant assumption that what is in their self-interest is all that matters.

However, this is not the first rodeo for Goldman Sachs and Druckenmiller when it comes to dealing with entrenched owners that do not want to let go - the NFL is being beaten up by the cable companies when it comes to NFL Network and perhaps the league is about to get another lesson in hardball business negotiations.

Is it just me or is this good news? I know that AJR II doesn't have as much money as DrunkenMiner (intentional), but I can't see him going into debt that would affect the team. I think he has proved that he wishes to continue with the same values and traditions that his father was so famous for. I love the idea of having more money injected into the organization. Even though Druck says that he intends to keep the ideals of the organization intact, who is to say what would happen after a 6-10 season. Allowing any third party to have a controlling power over the team I know and love just makes me nervous. I don't think it is worth the risk.

Think maybe Roger Goodell might know something about Druck that we don't? Seems strange for the NFL to step in and pressure the Rooneys one way or the other, even if they are good friends. Someone who has as much money as Druck has would most likely operate to make a profit ONLY, while the Rooney's have always put the team first and profit second.

Change isn't always good folks, especially one something has been working so well for so long.

Mess with my beloved Steelers and I shall breaka you face! :boxing:

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-27-2008, 09:12 AM
Goodell: Dan must remain the man
By Scott Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, August 27, 2008

NEW YORK -- After meeting with the five Rooney brothers for two-and-a-half hours Tuesday, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is hopeful the Steelers' ownership issue will be resolved before the end of the year.

Goodell, however, has not imposed a deadline on the Rooney brothers, each of whom owns a 16 percent share of the Steelers, to restructure ownership. One reason for that is the Rooneys selling their stake in the team, as four of the brothers are looking to do, is more complicated than simply accepting the highest offer.

During the meeting at NFL headquarters in Manhattan, Goodell said he made it clear to Art Jr., Tim, Patrick and John Rooney that any sale of the team is subject to approval by 75 percent (24 of 32) of the league's owners.

Steelers chairman Dan Rooney is a highly influential and popular owner. Given his stature and the respect Rooney commands among fellow owners, any deal not compatible with his goal of retaining control of the franchise could have a difficult time passing a league vote.

"He's had a tremendous influence on the game of football. He's in the Hall of Fame for a reason," Goodell said of Dan Rooney. "There's great respect for the Rooney family in the National Football League, and we want to do everything we can to ensure the Steelers will continue to be operated by the Rooneys and the way they've been operating."

Representing the NFL owners, at Goodell's invitation, were Tom Benson of the New Orleans Saints, Mike Brown of the Cincinnati Bengals and Jerry Richardson of the Carolina Panthers. Benson is chairman of the NFL's finance committee. Brown and Richardson serve on various NFL committees. All have vast experience dealing with league issues.

Designated by the Rooneys to speak on their behalf, Goodell called the meeting "productive" and said the NFL will be "patient but firm with respect to getting (issues) resolved." The Rooney brothers left the meeting without speaking to reporters. The Steelers said Dan Rooney would decline further comment, and attempts to reach his brothers were unsuccessful.

Goodell said he did not set a deadline for resolving two major issues regarding Steelers ownership because it is a complex situation -- one with an emotional element since it involves family members.

The Rooneys, who own horse racing tracks and slots casinos, have been in violation of the NFL's gambling policy. Also, the league stipulates that majority owners of a team have at least a 30 percent share.

Goodell said the Steelers have to come in compliance with both rules -- and sooner rather than later.

Dan Rooney is trying to buy enough shares to satisfy NFL stipulations -- and the wishes of his father, Steelers founder Art Rooney, that the team stay in the family.

Art Jr., Tim, Patrick and John Rooney, all of whom are in their late 60s or 70s, want to sell primarily because of the inheritance tax their heirs would pay if their shares were passed down.

Dan Rooney and his brothers haven't agreed on the value of the Steelers. The brothers hired investment firm Goldman, Sachs & Co. to field offers for their shares of the team.

Billionaire hedge fund manager Stanley Druckenmiller, a longtime Steelers fan with ties to Pittsburgh, has offered to buy out the four Rooney brothers.

Several calls made to a Druckenmiller representative yesterday were not returned. He did not take part in the meeting that left Goodell optimistic the team would remain in Rooney control.

"We had a good dialogue, good communication about the issues at hand, and I think we have a better understanding of where things are," said Goodell, who plans to meet with the brothers again at a date to be determined. "They described it as being helpful."

Goodell said he did not sense that Dan Rooney and his four brothers are at an impasse over the future of the Steelers' ownership.

"I think there was a general commitment on behalf of everybody to get this thing resolved in a satisfactory manner," Goodell said. "I come from a family of five boys, too, so I understand the complexities of family. They have a love for one another, a respect for one another. I'm sure they have differences, but I'm confident they're going to do what's in the best interest of the Rooney family, the Steelers and the NFL."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_585069.html

SteelMember
08-27-2008, 09:17 AM
The fix is in

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell spoke loud and clear yesterday to those Rooney brothers who might want to sell the Steelers to outside interests: The league and its owners will do everything in their power to keep Dan Rooney and his son in control of the franchise.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08240/907193-66.stm

Dan Rooney, God bless him, is 75 years old - this has nothing to do with keeping Dan in control of the Steelers; that control already has been handed down to his arrogant son.

This is all about keeping trust fund baby AJR II in control - how AJR II is a NFL legend that is owed anything escapes me

The Roomeys digging the franchise deeply into debt so AJR II does not need to work for a living is simply wrong. Dan and AJR II are like Joe Paterno, proceeding on the arrogant assumption that what is in their self-interest is all that matters.

However, this is not the first rodeo for Goldman Sachs and Druckenmiller when it comes to dealing with entrenched owners that do not want to let go - the NFL is being beaten up by the cable companies when it comes to NFL Network and perhaps the league is about to get another lesson in hardball business negotiations.

They all have to live together now? That will never work. If they can't share a team, how are they goin' to share a bathroom?:chuckle:

stlrtruck
08-27-2008, 11:31 AM
I said it in my response to the Aiellero (or whatever the guy's name was that responded to my letter to the Commish).
If the NFL wanted this to happen, they could simply make it happen.

It's just another opportunity for the Commish to get farther away from his failings on SPYGATE, but now he's bringing his failings closer to home - STEELERS NATION!

Obviously the Commish hasn't figured out - Hell hath no fury like a Black and Gold Nation scorned.

RoethlisBURGHer
08-27-2008, 06:33 PM
I really don't like Goodell putting his nose into the potential sale of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

The the Rooney brothers want to sell to Dan Rooney, fine.

If they want to sell to Druckenmiller, that's fine to.

It's not his job to put his nose into the sale of a football team. Once again, like with the Favre saga, he's overstepping the boundaries of Commisioner of the National Football League.

steelreserve
08-27-2008, 08:33 PM
[I]Goodell is out of line here - if owners want to sell their shares the issue is the creditworthiness of the buyer. The P-G story this morning that Dan's owner buddies will veto a sale to Druckenmiller while forcing a sale that Dan and AJRII can somehow finance by getting Visa to increase their credit limit is not in the best interests of the franchise, just protecting an insider.

Having an owner who knows what he's doing is definitely in the best interest of the franchise. Just look at the situation that the Raiders, the 49ers and the Cardinals always find themselves in. It's definitely not in the best interest of the league to have any more franchises like that, and who knows whether Drunkenmiller would be a good owner or not?

stillers4me
08-28-2008, 08:56 AM
Decision On Steelers Sale Weeks Away?
Reporting
John Shumway PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ― One of the Rooney brothers shed some light on a meeting with NFL officials in New York.

After the meeting, Commissioner Roger Goodell told reporters that he told the brothers: "That if Dan Rooney wants an opportunity to continue to run the franchise I think that's an interest that some of the owners have."

Art Rooney Jr. tells KDKA by telephone that the brothers didn't come away from that meeting feeling, "like that was a mandate, that the league was saying, 'We're insisting on Dan in this situation.' "

For almost two years, the Rooney brothers have been working on how to separate their gambling interest from the Steelers. Art Jr. says the meeting gave them a chance to update the league on the shuffling of the Steeler ownership.

"They understood more of where we are. I know that everybody in the family would like to have this in the family but there are other issues involved," he says, "and the league is now aware of those issues, the family issues."

Art Jr. says he wants to make it clear that when it comes to the other four brothers, "No doubt everybody concerned would like to have this in Dan's or the Rooney family's hands but you have to take care of your family."

As for Stanley Druckenmiller's bid to buy the team, Art Jr. says he's still involved "big time."

He adds, "I think Stanley Druckenmiller is up to bat."

He went on to say: "Dan has his concept in there and he's getting his stuff together."

As for Goodell's desire to wrap this up by year's end, Art Jr. thinks it's realistic and expects a family decision possibly "sometime in September."

Art says the four brothers who aren't directly involved with the team aren't that familiar with the intricacies of how the NFL is run and they got a good idea during the meeting on Tuesday just what's all involved in approving an ownership change - including all the committees involved and votes that have to be taken.

Despite all that they have to go through, he feels like if they can get that decision made in the next month or so, there will be enough time to get all those things done in the NFL so it can be resolved before 2009.

http://kdka.com/steelers/Steelers.Ownership.NFL.2.804731.html

Atlanta Dan
08-28-2008, 09:11 AM
Having an owner who knows what he's doing is definitely in the best interest of the franchise. Just look at the situation that the Raiders, the 49ers and the Cardinals always find themselves in. It's definitely not in the best interest of the league to have any more franchises like that, and who knows whether Drunkenmiller would be a good owner or not?

If you were talking about Dan I agree, but we are not; you are talking about AJRII who has no lengthy track record of knowing what he is doing and apparently did more harm than good in the Cowher contract negotiations in 2006. Instead, what AJRII has is the luck of falling into a cushy job for which he is qualified for no reason other than his name, unless Duquesne Law School has a core curriculum of pro football ownership classes of which I am unaware.

Add that to the fact the franchise will be undercapitalized if the Rooneys have to stretch to finance the purchase. If the Steelers are back to the mid-1990s cash flow problems it will not matter how savvy the owner is.

Atlanta Dan
08-28-2008, 09:18 AM
Art Jr. says he wants to make it clear that when it comes to the other four brothers, "No doubt everybody concerned would like to have this in Dan's or the Rooney family's hands but you have to take care of your family."

As for Stanley Druckenmiller's bid to buy the team, Art Jr. says he's still involved "big time."

He adds, "I think Stanley Druckenmiller is up to bat."

He went on to say: "Dan has his concept in there and he's getting his stuff together."


http://kdka.com/steelers/Steelers.Ownership.NFL.2.804731.html

Thanks for the link :thumbsup:

Glad to hear the 4 brothers want fair value for their shares - if the league tries to override that litigation is a possibility

Whether to take a straight cash deal for market value from a buyer who will have capital to fund the franchise as opposed to waiting for Dan & AJRII to get off hold with Visa customer service and get the credit limit raised in order to finance another lowball offer would seem to be a no brainer, but the NFL obviously is putting a heavy thumb on the scales as to which offer will receive greater weight by the league

Michael Keller
08-28-2008, 09:34 AM
I was concerned this might happen, Good ole Roger and Dan are tight and maybe he is helping protect Dan Rooneys interest in team.
Love Dan and all he has done for the Steelers but not sure a sale to Drukenmiller would be a bad thing.
Don't want Dan going into debty and that hurting the football team....

I totally, totally agree. Any fans that think the Rooneys are cheap NOW are going to really have something to scream about if Dan and Artie incurr the obvious debt service to buy the bros out. The purity of Rooney ownership appeals much less to me than a quality owner with the capital to provide a competive Steeler football team. This is my focus.

If you want things to be the way they used to be get over it times change.

stlrtruck
08-28-2008, 10:07 AM
Quick resolution to the problem.

The brothers give their shares to Dan. Dan in turns finds them a "career" position within the organization, that will compensate them for X number of years and in such that if they were to pass away that their families would receive that same "career" position until the agreed up years has passed.

At this point I won't be bothered if Druckenmiller acquires the team either, unless he plans to pull a Modell on the city and fans.

And I'm not one who is much for cursing but...

F ROGER

fansince'76
08-28-2008, 10:32 AM
I totally, totally agree. Any fans that think the Rooneys are cheap NOW are going to really have something to scream about if Dan and Artie incurr the obvious debt service to buy the bros out. The purity of Rooney ownership appeals much less to me than a quality owner with the capital to provide a competive Steeler football team. This is my focus.

If you want things to be the way they used to be get over it times change.

I'm resistant to it only because there is nothing that indicates Druckenmiller will be a quality owner. Being richer than Croesus doesn't indicate to me on its own the guy will be a good owner. Dan Snyder has money out the wazoo as well, but is he a quality owner? IMO he's not. Not saying Druckenmiller will be another Snyder, but what if he is, or, Lord forbid, he turns out to be even worse? Times do indeed change, and many times not for the better. Druckenmiller has not earned any benefit of the doubt, IMO.

stlrtruck
08-28-2008, 10:39 AM
I'm resistant to it only because there is nothing that indicates Druckenmiller will be a quality owner. Being richer than Croesus doesn't indicate to me on its own the guy will be a good owner. Dan Snyder has money out the wazoo as well, but is he a quality owner? IMO he's not. Not saying Druckenmiller will be another Snyder, but what if he is, or, Lord forbid, he turns out to be even worse? Times do indeed change, and many times not for the better. Druckenmiller has not earned any benefit of the doubt, IMO.

There is no proof of what kind of owner Druckenmiller will be. There was no proof what kind of owner Jones or Snyder would end up. Both treat their teams as if they are high priced toys. Druckenmiller could very well do the same, but he could also be different - and that is what brings me to the point of it doesn't matter anymore (unless he tries to Modell us).

I do have concerns about new ownership and if they would be patient with coaches or if they would pull a danny-boy and have a new coach every 2 years. Or maybe he will Jerry Jones' it and hire inept coaches just because of their name sake or resume.

But I'm also to the point that the shenigans coming out of the NFL HQ needs to end.

tony hipchest
08-28-2008, 11:20 AM
I'm resistant to it only because there is nothing that indicates Druckenmiller will be a quality owner. Being richer than Croesus doesn't indicate to me on its own the guy will be a good owner. Dan Snyder has money out the wazoo as well, but is he a quality owner? IMO he's not. Not saying Druckenmiller will be another Snyder, but what if he is, or, Lord forbid, he turns out to be even worse? Times do indeed change, and many times not for the better. Druckenmiller has not earned any benefit of the doubt, IMO.but for every dan snyder there is 2 jerry joneses and robert krafts, who happen to be second to rooney on the lombardi ownership list- throw out debartalo (he no longer owns in the league). i hope to never see dan rooney as dysfunctional as old man al davis, but he does have some years under his belt.

R2D2- (art II debt too?) has lowballed cowher, has lowballed his own family, and will lowball free agents who will leave just like in the days before the new stadium (which is a fine but a lowball stadium compared to what is currently going up).
if tomlin wins 3 superbowls he will be unaffordable just like cowher was to a debt ridden rooney family. drukenmiller would treat tomlin like kraft does belichick*

i think i have more faith in druckenmiller than the son. important to note that dan snyder generates the most revenue in the league and provided enough seats for about 20,000 extra fans to see their team on sundays. (90,000 vs 67,000?)

MACH1
08-28-2008, 12:09 PM
What if Dan had controlling interest in the team, say buy out two brothers and drukenmiller the rest? That way the franchise isn't so far in debt and can stay competitive.

fansince'76
08-28-2008, 12:19 PM
What if Dan had controlling interest in the team, say buy out two brothers and drukenmiller the rest? That way the franchise isn't so far in debt and can stay competitive.

I've read in a few places where Druckenmiller is not interested in anything less than controlling interest in the team, which is another reason I question how genuine his desire is to leave Dan in charge of football operations. I don't doubt for a second that he'd pull rank on Dan in a heartbeat if he disagrees with anything Dan wanted to do in that situation.

stlrtruck
08-28-2008, 12:23 PM
important to note that dan snyder generates the most revenue in the league and provided enough seats for about 20,000 extra fans to see their team on sundays. (90,000 vs 67,000?)

Look at those new seats. Some of them have terrible views, are on field level which means you're spending more time looking at the jumbo-tron then you are the game field....I know, I know....the fans bought the tickets (but really is that fair considering that the waiting list is over 25 years long and that was back in 1999 when I was in the office).

Granted snyder did bring in some great marketing people and they were able to sale a lot more club level seats, but is that what we're talking about with the Steelers? I think not. What the team needs is new leadership without the distraction that Jones and Snyder bring to their teams. I think that Druckenmiller can do that without cheapening the experience of being at Heinz Field (ala Snyder) and be more than competitive on the field, bringing multiple Trophies to the fold.

fansince'76
08-28-2008, 12:25 PM
Look at those new seats. Some of them have terrible views, are on field level which means you're spending more time looking at the jumbo-tron then you are the game field....I know, I know....the fans bought the tickets (but really is that fair considering that the waiting list is over 25 years long and that was back in 1999 when I was in the office).

Granted snyder did bring in some great marketing people and they were able to sale a lot more club level seats, but is that what we're talking about with the Steelers? I think not. What the team needs is new leadership without the distraction that Jones and Snyder bring to their teams. I think that Druckenmiller can do that without cheapening the experience of being at Heinz Field (ala Snyder) and be more than competitive on the field, bringing multiple Trophies to the fold.

Not to mention that only Kraft charges more per ticket than Snyder does.

stlrtruck
08-28-2008, 12:26 PM
I've read in a few places where Druckenmiller is not interested in anything less than controlling interest in the team, which is another reason I question how genuine his desire is to leave Dan in charge of football operations. I don't doubt for a second that he'd pull rank on Dan in a heartbeat if he disagrees with anything Dan wanted to do in that situation.

I understand why he wants control. It's not just an investment to him, it's a change in lifestyle. HOWEVER, I've also heard him say that he would leave Dan as the front man and the only place he would pull rank is ownership meetings and the like.

The big difference between Druckenmiller and what I've seen with Snyder is that Snyder flat out wanted 100% control of team with the old regime OUT. He made it known and didn't pull punches - so one has to hope that after Druckenmiller has made comments in the paper about the Rooney's still being the face of the team that he would keep his word.

stlrtruck
08-28-2008, 12:27 PM
Not to mention that only Kraft charges more per ticket than Snyder does.

Problem is that fans will mortgage their house to buy tickets!! Especially for the redskins.

lilyoder6
08-28-2008, 12:32 PM
i would like to see the rooney's own at least 51% of the team so they can still say whats going down and there won't be any conflicts about who is gonna run it, etc.. miller can come in and get 49% or lower 4 all i care.. he can bring new ideas to the organization

steelreserve
08-28-2008, 01:01 PM
Add that to the fact the franchise will be undercapitalized if the Rooneys have to stretch to finance the purchase. If the Steelers are back to the mid-1990s cash flow problems it will not matter how savvy the owner is.

I'm probably not as qualified to debate the competence of each brother, but overall it seems the family is getting it done as-is, so I'm happy with that.

I do disagree with the idea that this consolidation will put the Steelers into debt enough to affect the quality of the players they can put on the field. A team's yearly payroll has nothing to do with how "rich" or "poor" the franchise is. The Redskins and Cowboys might have billionaire owners, but they have the same fixed budget for player salaries to work with that we do.

Plus, the NFL as a whole has become so profitable in the last decade that the revenue-sharing system gives each franchise a built-in profit of at least $25 million a year after football-related expenses -- even more if the team benefits from any of the peripheral opportunities to make money. The remaining owner might carry a lot of debt, but I think the league has put up a lot of barriers that will keep it from creeping over into football operations.

MACH1
08-28-2008, 01:13 PM
I've read in a few places where Druckenmiller is not interested in anything less than controlling interest in the team, which is another reason I question how genuine his desire is to leave Dan in charge of football operations. I don't doubt for a second that he'd pull rank on Dan in a heartbeat if he disagrees with anything Dan wanted to do in that situation.



Yah...I could see that happening. Especially with draft picks.