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tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 11:00 AM
now i like mccain and fell he is a strong willed man with much honor and integrity. but his top advisors and campaign managers sure come off as a bunch of crude, unprofessional, cry babies.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080902/pl_bloomberg/as77ueg2jfbq

McCain Turns Sour on His Onetime Media `Base' as Election Nears

McCain's campaign manager, Steve Schmidt, yesterday lashed out at what he deemed ``offensive'' and ``demeaning'' coverage and questions from reporters after McCain's running mate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, confirmed her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.

``It used to be that a lot of those smears and the crap on the Internet stayed out of the newsrooms of serious journalists,''

talk about offensive and demeaning... :rolleyes:. i guess anyone who doesnt eat out the palm of their hands is crap.

McCain, 72, has accused news organizations such as the New York Times, Time magazine and the NBC network of being unfair to him. The campaign even considered pulling out of one of the three presidential debates because it would be moderated by Tom Brokaw, a former NBC News anchorman.

mccain just doesnt seem like a "take your ball and go home" sort of guy.

There have also been a series of public rifts between the campaign and the media. On July 31, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis sparred with MSNBC anchor Andrea Mitchell in an exchange about a McCain campaign ad portraying Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama as a celebrity.

``I'm happy to talk about more substantive issues the next time I come on your program,'' Davis said, capping the testy interview.
lol. if the ad wasnt "substantive" then why even run it? :noidea: is rick admitting their ad was a bunch of "crap"? :chuckle:

On July 22, the McCain camp assailed the media in an Internet advertisement and an e-mail to supporters.

``It's pretty obvious the media has a bizarre fascination with Barack Obama, some may even say it's a love affair,'' McCain's campaign said in the e-mail. ``The media is in love with Barack Obama. If it wasn't so serious, it would be funny.''
:doh: wow. theres that loaded catch phrase gain. if anyone would know about "love affairs" it would be john mccain right? :footinmou now thats funny!


McCain also took a combative stance in an Aug. 27 interview with Time reporters James Carney and Michael Scherer, refusing to answer a question about his definition of honor.

``Read it in my books,'' McCain said. ``I'm not going to define it.'' That exchange set the tone for the rest of the interview: McCain answered a question about his opinion on premarital sex by saying, ``I don't have any response to that type of question.''

He added, ``Write what you want.''

mccain better take control and reign these clowns in. i know some already see him as a lock to win, but theres still plenty of time for these buffoons to sink his campaign.

revefsreleets
09-02-2008, 11:06 AM
Really? This molehill isn't quite the mountain you make it out to be...

revefsreleets
09-02-2008, 11:17 AM
OMG...now the press is talking about her husbands DUI...from 22 YEARS AGO?

I'm embarrassed for the media today...these aren't real skeltons in the closet, but they are trying their damndest to make them that way...

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 11:18 AM
Really? This molehill isn't quite the mountain you make it out to be...you mean like the molehill of the media mistreating mccain isnt the mountain they make it out to be?

interresting. (say that 5 times real fast).

again, mccain needs to serve his camp some stfu and tell them to grow some thicker skin becomming of a grizzled vet and war hero.

theyre not representing a sniveling little baby, and their blatant appearant right wing, elitist, attitude that they are above being questionned, can really turn off some of those fringe voters he is so desperate to catch.

revefsreleets
09-02-2008, 11:27 AM
Cyclical argument..."McCain is wrong to point out the media bias against him by pointing out the obvious media bias against him". Whatever...

A 22 year old DUI charge against her HUSBAND is not news, and has absolutely no bearing on her ability to govern. And what does her daughter being pregnant have to do with anything? It's ridiculous to see how low the NYT's and their ilk will go to subtly try and trash her out...

fansince'76
09-02-2008, 11:33 AM
Is it November 4th yet? :coffee:

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-02-2008, 11:36 AM
now i like mccain and fell he is a strong willed man with much honor and integrity. but his top advisors and campaign managers sure come off as a bunch of crude, unprofessional, cry babies.

talk about offensive and demeaning... :rolleyes:. i guess anyone who doesnt eat out the palm of their hands is crap..

..and now that unprofessional crybaby ..Obama...is getting in on this...SHAME...SHAME......

Obama On Palin Daughter's Pregnancy: Families Are Off Limits
MONROE, MI -- Barack Obama responded forcefully to questions about the news that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol, 17, is pregnant, saying family issues should not be part of this campaign and noting that his own mother had him as a teen.

"Let me be a clear as possible," he told reporters after speaking briefly at a Labor Day BBQ here. "I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits and people's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and, you know, how a family deals with issues and you know teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who's supporting me understands that's off limits."

Obama also strongly denied anyone involved in his campaign had been spreading rumors that McCain's running mate had faked her pregnancy to hide her daughter's -- a story that caught fire over the last few days on liberal blogs -- and said he was offended at the suggestion.

"There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us," he said. "We donít go after peopleís families. We donít get them involved in the politics. Itís not appropriate, and itís not relevant. Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be. And if I ever thought that it was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, theyíd be fired."


I quess he wants the media to just..."eat out of his hand".

cubanstogie
09-02-2008, 11:48 AM
Cyclical argument..."McCain is wrong to point out the media bias against him by pointing out the obvious media bias against him". Whatever...

A 22 year old DUI charge against her HUSBAND is not news, and has absolutely no bearing on her ability to govern. And what does her daughter being pregnant have to do with anything? It's ridiculous to see how low the NYT's and their ilk will go to subtly try and trash her out...

Libs are just mad because her daughter is having the baby instead of aborting it. The problem is, if the roles were reversed we would not even bring it up(pregnancy)if we wanted to because Obamas or Bidens daughters would sneek it to an abortion clinic and end the pregnancy.

stlrtruck
09-02-2008, 11:57 AM
Really, what did they expect was going to happen? The media will take a piece of string and by the time they are done stretching it, it will go around the world 10 times.

They've done it with Obama and his wife's not-so intellectual comments and they're doing it now with Palin - get over it and move on.

One day, both parties will get past all this BS and really consider the fact that they can't do much without the help of congress.

It would be nice if they could all just get along.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-02-2008, 11:59 AM
Libs are just mad because her daughter is having the baby instead of aborting it. The problem is, if the roles were reversed we would not even bring it up(pregnancy)if we wanted to because Obamas or Bidens daughters would sneek it to an abortion clinic and end the pregnancy.

I wont go so far as to guess what their daughters would do....

But you are on to something....

1) The left belittles the V.P. nomination's experience while turning a blind eye to their own FRONTRUNNERS inexperience

2) The left (and I include the media in this category) makes a big deal out of the teenage pregnancy of the V.P.'s daughter while ignoring the fact that their own FRONTRUNNER is the direct result of a teenage pregnancy.

3) The left calls the right, "same old politics" and prop themselves up as the harbinger of change while excusing the fact that their own FRONTRUNNER is a product of the corrupt Chicago Democratic Machine and rates #2 in pork spending and #1 in voting liberal party line.

Hmmmmm....am I the only one who sees this?

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 12:24 PM
..and now that unprofessional crybaby ..Obama...is getting in on this...SHAME...SHAME......




I quess he wants the media to just..."eat out of his hand".

:confused: i really dont know what youre getting at LLT.

1st of all your sentence, my post and the quoted story you provided really have nothing to do with eachother. here i critique mccains camp and you immediately have to bash oboma. it would be ok if it actually made sense. you find shame in the fact that obama feels the media should leave palins daughter out of it??? :noidea: or is it that he empathized with her by relaying the fact his own mom had him at 18 that you find so disgusting?

im a bit suprised about revs rant on this drunk driving story. whats it supposed to prove, that the mccain camp arent whiners? thread back on topic please. of course its not news (personally i dont care what her husband does) but its par for the course. all candidates are gonna have their background looked into once it gets to late in the game. or is the precious little saviour of the party to fragile to be messed with. what make you all think she is untouchable? shes playing with the big boys now.

Libs are just mad because her daughter is having the baby instead of aborting it. The problem is, if the roles were reversed we would not even bring it up(pregnancy)if we wanted to because Obamas or Bidens daughters would sneek it to an abortion clinic and end the pregnancy. and this post has got to ba a joke. either that or one of the most ignorant and hate filled things i have read on this board. if not said in jest i would say it reflects someone with some serious issues that go WAY beyond this years election.

im a bit shocked that LLT even dignified it with a response, almost giving it credence an merit. btw llt, you just posted a media article about obama beeing born to an 18 year old so how are they ignoring it? fine example of talking out of both sides of ones mouth. everyone knows obamas mom was 18. nobody ever tried to hide it. she was a LEGAL ADULT.

17- cant do porn
18- can do porn

17- cant vote
18- can

17 - cant join military
18 -can

17 - statutory rape
18 - legal

see the difference here?

cubanstogie
09-02-2008, 12:40 PM
Quote. and this post has got to ba a joke. either that or one of the most ignorant and hate filled things i have read on this board. if not said in jest i would say it reflects someone with some serious issues that go WAY beyond this years election.

How is it hate filled. It has nothing to do with hate. I don't hate Obama, Biden or other libs just because of our ideology.It just points out the differences in which pregnancy could be handled. . Palin also has a child with down syndrome. How many libs would terminate that instead of having the baby. Take the easy way out , just like food stamps, socialism and all of the other lib ideology. They are not my values, I am just hear to point out the liberal way and possibilities. Truth hurts I guess.

stlrtruck
09-02-2008, 12:46 PM
:17 - cant join military
18 -can


Just one correction, because I don't do so well in the rest of the political dribble that the rest of you have...but I digress...

You can join the military at 17 with the co-signing of a parent/legal guardian.

As for the rest, I tire of it. Who really cares what their child is doing (over 18 or not). What do I care what their parents did for them years ago when they were single and pregnant? It has nothing to do with the ability of each candidate.

McCain cheated on his wife - that's been swept under the rug. Truly if we were a worried nation, that should really bother us for the simple fact that if a person would cheat on their spouse, what the heck else will they cheat on? Will they sell out or government?

And not to make this one sided, Obama has voted "Present" more times than he has "Yes" or "No" combined. A man that can't make a decision and stick by it should also scare the hell out of the American populace too. If he can't put his name on something and stick by then how the hell is he going to stick by America when America would need the President most?

We're screwed either way. It's status quo for politics in this nation. They don't give damn and any idea of a revolution would get us imprisoned, beheaded (or injected), or banished to France (or possibly Cleveland or Cinicinatti with the only chance of watching the Steelers is when they play those teams).

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-02-2008, 12:46 PM
:confused: i really dont know what youre getting at LLT.

1st of all your sentence, my post and the quoted story you provided really have nothing to do with eachother. here i critique mccains camp and you immediately have to bash oboma. it would be ok if it actually made sense. you find shame in the fact that obama feels the media should leave palins daughter out of it??? :noidea: or is it that he empathized with her by relaying the fact his own mom had him at 18 that you find so disgusting?


Not sure what is so confusing...I was just wondering why the McCain camps isnt allowed to comment of negative media coverage...but Obama IS allowed to make a statement on what is off-limits??


im a bit shocked that LLT even dignified it with a response, almost giving it credence an merit.

Nice try...I think I was very clear when I said..."I WOULD NOT GO SO FAR as to guess what their daughter would do."
Dont know how I could have been any clearer than...."I WOULD NOT"....not even sure how you could attempt to spin that???...

btw llt, you just posted a media article about obama beeing born to an 18 year old so how are they ignoring it? fine example of talking out of both sides of ones mouth. everyone knows obamas mom was 18. nobody ever tried to hide it. she was a LEGAL ADULT.

17- cant do porn
18- can do porn

17- cant vote
18- can

17 - cant join military
18 -can

17 - statutory rape
18 - legal

see the difference here

Sorry...I made the mistake of using basic math....MOST 17 year old pregnant females will have the baby when they are 18....and MOST who have a baby at 18 years old got pregnant when they were 17.
I take into consideration that she is now 5 months pregnant...but since neither of us know her birthdate...I think its fair to say that I didnt make a reach in that assumption.

Wasn't talking out of both sides of my mouth...just using common sense and basic math skills....so no...I dont see the difference...I see a spin.

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 12:50 PM
ignorance it is....

pssst. libs have babies too. quit making it like they all abort their young and eat the foetus.

im baginning to think alot more arrogant right wing radicals should consider abortion.

or not breeding at all.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-02-2008, 12:54 PM
ignorance it is....

pssst. libs have babies too. quit making it like they all abort their young and eat the foetus.

im baginning to think alot more arrogant right wing radicals should consider abortion.

or not breeding at all.

I personally think that only the mothers of those who believe in abortion should have practiced the procedure

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 12:55 PM
Just one correction, because I don't do so well in the rest of the political dribble that the rest of you have...but I digress...

You can join the military at 17 with the co-signing of a parent/legal guardian.

yes and a 19 year old guy can sleep with a 17 year old girl and it not be statutory. and 17 year olds can wed with parental consent. i think it all varies from state to state.

so according to LLT's vehement defense of Palin and sudden unprovoked attack on Obamas mom, should i assume Palins daughter became pregnant with "parental consent"? :scratchchin:

fansince'76
09-02-2008, 12:56 PM
Just one correction, because I don't do so well in the rest of the political dribble that the rest of you have...but I digress...

Another correction - 18-year-olds weren't given the vote until 1971 (26th Amendment), when Obama was about 10 years old. Not to nitpick, though. :wink02:

As far as the comment I read in another thread about this election cycle being "exciting," not in my humble opinion. I see the same old partisan mudslinging I always have - this thread and the resultant posts are just further proof of it.

cubanstogie
09-02-2008, 12:59 PM
ignorance it is....

pssst. libs have babies too. quit making it like they all abort their young and eat the foetus.

im baginning to think alot more arrogant right wing radicals should consider abortion.

or not breeding at all.

better arrogant than ignorance, and no values.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-02-2008, 01:09 PM
yes and a 19 year old guy can sleep with a 17 year old girl and it not be statutory. and 17 year olds can wed with parental consent. i think it all varies from state to state.

so according to LLT's vehement defense of Palin and sudden unprovoked attack on Obamas mom, should i assume Palins daughter became pregnant with "parental consent"? :scratchchin:

Seriously Tony...please look back at my post....I hope you are just being emotional...because there is no truth in these remarks you are making.

Please back your statement with the facts on:

1) How I attacked Obamas mother
2) How I even inferred that Palins daughter became pregnant with parental consent?

Preacher
09-02-2008, 01:15 PM
Well...

Here it goes again...

Not one question about obama's brother in Africa living on pennies a day and how he doesn't help... though he thinks that we all should be our brother's keeper.

But a DUI from 20+ years ago... yeah, THATS news.

No, the media has no slant at all does it? (pssst... 95 percent vote democrat, but they have no bias right?)

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 01:25 PM
Sorry...I made the mistake of using basic math....MOST 17 year old pregnant females will have the baby when they are 18....and MOST who have a baby at 18 years old got pregnant when they were 17.
I take into consideration that she is now 5 months pregnant...but since neither of us know her birthdate...I think its fair to say that I didnt make a reach in that assumption.

Wasn't talking out of both sides of my mouth...just using common sense and basic math skills....so no...I dont see the difference...I see a spin.speaking of "spin" that word is being used as a safety net to automatically discredit what i may say before i even say it, right?

this is "spin"-

McCain camps isnt allowed to comment of negative media coverage...but Obama IS allowed to make a statement on what is off-limits??
who said the mccain camp cant comment on negative media? i dont care what they do. if they cant grin and bear it i have no problem if they wanna play the whiners card. i merely suggested they may want to quit stumbling all over themselves with these strategical blunders. mr. crappy pottymouth may wanna chose his words more wisely and appear more professional.

and accusing anyone of having a love affair with obama??? :toofunny: i'll never get over that one! :sofunny: instant classic.

you may wanna re-read your little obama article that you find so damning. how you spun it to him being a crybaby is beyond me. he simply said those family issues were irrelevant and shouldnt even come in to play. he wasnt saying the media was treating him unfairly. he stated the fact that his campaign wasnt gonna use those tactics of attacking opponents family members. i would say he was speaking to potential voters and you spin it to him rebuking the media. you were simply off base on that one. he actually did the mccain camp a favor by discrediting the story and only you could spin it into a negative.

saying theres no difference bewteen 17 and 18? i dont even know if that is spin. i dont know what to call that statement. :poop:

lets hear some more spin on how she brought big oil to their knees and is her inexperience is a non factor?

i think alot of arrogant, holier than thou, right wing conservatives are just a bit miffed that their squeaky clean, soccer mom, saviour might appear that she needs to get her own house in order before she goes tidying up the white house and washington.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-02-2008, 01:25 PM
Well...

Here it goes again...

Not one question about obama's brother in Africa living on pennies a day and how he doesn't help... though he thinks that we all should be our brother's keeper.

But a DUI from 20+ years ago... yeah, THATS news.

No, the media has no slant at all does it? (pssst... 95 percent vote democrat, but they have no bias right?)

How anyone can see an article with the words McCain...and..Whining in its heade...and not see an obvious media bias is beyond me

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 01:29 PM
But a DUI from 20+ years ago... yeah, THATS news.

No, the media has no slant at all does it? (pssst... 95 percent vote democrat, but they have no bias right?)is it really "news"? i notice revs didnt even include a link or source. i wonder what blog the story was lifted from? is it just being "spun" as news to deflect attention from the whiny mccain camp?

:scratchchin:

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 01:34 PM
How anyone can see an article with the words McCain...and..Whining in its heade...and not see an obvious media bias is beyond me:toofunny: LMAO! that was MY headline! i started this thread! :rofl:

jump to conclusions much? did you even read the article before you went on attack? hell i even included the actual title of the article in bolded letters right by the link in the original post.

this is precious. :popcorn:

Preacher
09-02-2008, 01:34 PM
Do a quick google search for Palin DUI and just see all the hits...


Whatever happened to "newsworthy?" Oh yeah, it went out the window with "unbiased."

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-02-2008, 01:41 PM
speaking of "spin" that word is being used as a safety net to automatically discredit what i may say before i even say it, right?

this is "spin"-

who said the mccain camp cant comment on negative media? i dont care what they do. if they cant grin and bear it i have no problem if they wanna play the whiners card. i merely suggested they may want to quit stumbling all over themselves with these strategical blunders. mr. crappy pottymouth may wanna chose his words more wisely and appear more professional.

and accusing anyone of having a love affair with obama??? :toofunny: i'll never get over that one! :sofunny: instant classic.

you may wanna re-read your little obama article that you find so damning. how you spun it to him being a crybaby is beyond me. he simply said those family issues were irrelevant and shouldnt even come in to play. he wasnt saying the media was treating him unfairly. he stated the fact that his campaign wasnt gonna use those tactics of attacking opponents family members. i would say he was speaking to potential voters and you spin it to him rebuking the media. you were simply off base on that one. he actually did the mccain camp a favor by discrediting the story and only you could spin it into a negative.

lets hear some more spin on how she brought big oil to their knees and is her inexperience is a non factor?

i think alot of arrogant, holier than thou, right wing conservatives are just a bit miffed that their squeaky clean, soccer mom, saviour might appear that she needs to get her own house in order before she goes tidying up the white house and washington.

So in a nutshell...you are refusing to back your claims...

Let me help you...I was remarking on the MEDIAS attempt to say that when McCain remarks on what is "foul" ...he is WHINING (as the title of the article insinuates) but when Obama says what is "Off-limits" its okay.

Personally I dont find ANY fault with Obama in this respect but in the way the media is trying so desperatley to "spin" (there ya go)...this to fit their own political leanings...I find more fault in the media and in Obama supporters who are being very hypocritical in the presenting of information.

I gave examples which you took persoanlly and turned them into something that they VERY OBVIOUSLY were not intended.

1) saying that I validated a remark about Biden/Obama's daughters....(the proof is in the post that I did the complete opposite)
2) saying I "attacked" Obama's mother...(when again, it is more than obvious by my post that I was pointing out the hypocrisy is the way that the two situations were being treated)
3) trying to play with numbers to discredit what I was saying.

On a personal level I feel very sorry for those who make such mistakes at a young age...and have no other opinion of either Obamas mother or Palins daughter in regards to that situation. Which is my point...they are the SAME situation regardless of how the left treats it.

who said the mccain camp cant comment on negative media? i dont care what they do. if they cant grin and bear it i have no problem if they wanna play the whiners card

Thank you for the very essence of hypocricy.

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 01:44 PM
preacher, i get the impression that you would prefer to strip the individual medias members rights to chose to be a democrat or republican. is this the case? do you feel the media should have no political affiliation whatsoever?

thats not very constitutional.

and the "95% of all media vote democratic" statement.... is that an arbitrary number or is it more solid than me saying 95% of all upper class, rich vote republican?

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-02-2008, 01:44 PM
:toofunny: LMAO! that was MY headline! i started this thread! :rofl:

jump to conclusions much? did you even read the article before you went on attack? hell i even included the actual title of the article in bolded letters right by the link in the original post.

this is precious. :popcorn:

My bad...I dont doctor articles..I assumed you didnt either.

Preacher
09-02-2008, 01:51 PM
i think alot of arrogant, holier than thou, right wing conservatives are just a bit miffed that their squeaky clean, soccer mom, saviour might appear that she needs to get her own house in order before she goes tidying up the white house and washington.

No, a lot of normal, everyday right wing conservatives are sick and tired of being pidgeon holed as arrogant and holier than thou simply because we have a level of morality and expectations. The funniest thing.... most of us CHAMPION those who make those type of mistakes, learn from them and move on.

It is the arrogant, holier than thou liberals who get miffed whenever someone has the personally integrity to deal with their own problems and admit their mistakes instead of changing their entire system of belief to accommodate a single lapse in judgment.

The twisting and turning the left and the obama supporters are doing right now his hilarious...

Let me ask you a specific question tony. If pulling a note of prayer from a wall and the press printing was wrong, why isn't delving 20 years into the personal life of a candidates husband wrong? Why isn't smearing the child of a candidate wrong?

.

X-Terminator
09-02-2008, 02:10 PM
This thread and all of the responses are a shining example of what the media has done to the discussion of politics in America. And quite frankly, I'm disgusted.

Family members of candidates should be off-limits. Period. I don't know how more clear that should be. Just because their parent/spouse/guardian/poolboy is running for public office DOES NOT MEAN that they should have their lives and names dragged through the mud. There isn't one person on this board or who has posted in this thread who would like it if the media did the same thing to them.

Does ANYONE care about the actual f'ing issues anymore????

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 02:13 PM
No, a lot of normal, everyday right wing conservatives are sick and tired of being pidgeon holed as arrogant and holier than thou simply because we have a level of morality and expectations. The funniest thing.... most of us CHAMPION those who make those type of mistakes, learn from them and move on.


Let me ask you a specific question tony. If pulling a note of prayer from a wall and the press printing was wrong, why isn't delving 20 years into the personal life of a candidates husband wrong? Why isn't smearing the child of a candidate wrong?

.obama himself said it was wrong. are you capable giving credit where credit is due?

and plenty of left wingers are tired of being pigeon holed as foetus eating, abortion artists, who lack morals and expectations, who lack integrity, cant solve their own problems or admit their own mistakes, etc.

again it sounds like you would prefer a govt. controlled media such as in a communist or radical islamic nation.

like it or not people have their own opinions. if the media didnt print about the daughter or husband it woulda been found out anyways, especially with a dwi arrest being PUBLIC record. should we privatize that information too? like it or not, that information would make its way out and people will have an opinion about it, whether you think that opinion is right or wrong. palin is entering the public domain, and she is fair game. why should we change the entire system just for 1 candidate?

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-02-2008, 02:26 PM
Next time I get into a political discussion....would someone just...I dont know...shoot me....please.

stlrtruck
09-02-2008, 02:26 PM
Does ANYONE care about the actual f'ing issues anymore????

Yes and unfortunately none of those people are running for office anytime in the near future. Politics hasn't been about the issues for some time now.

When politics starts being about the issues again, we'll start finding people in DC who actually give a rats arse about the common folk and those not in position of power!

Hammer67
09-02-2008, 02:29 PM
I personally think it's funny that people are so worried about the VP candidate and her family....and not McCain himself. Tells me the liberal media is scared of McCain and trying anything to demonize him, even if they can't get to him, personally on the issues.

I am trying to ignore anything and everything said by either camps on the VP's...because, at the end of the day, does it REALLY matter?

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 02:38 PM
My bad...I dont doctor articles..I assumed you didnt either.:sly:....:evil:

wow, you say that as if i have done something wrong. in fact i would say you "spun" it to make me look like i was one of those evil leftist media members myself! yikes!

in all simplicity, i did nothing more than have an opinion. i am allowed to have one of those, right?

lets review-

first i started a thread. my opinion was the premise of my thread and contained within the title.

McCain camp whining about the media

secondly i expanded upon the premise of my opinion-

now i like mccain and fell he is a strong willed man with much honor and integrity. but his top advisors and campaign managers sure come off as a bunch of crude, unprofessional, cry babies.

third, i provided a link to the article that led me to draw the conlusion that built up my opinion-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20...g/as77ueg2jfbq

4th, i included the actual title to the article so nobody would confuse the actual article with my opinion based on the article-

McCain Turns Sour on His Onetime Media `Base' as Election Nears

finally i trimmed the fat from the article and included exerpts that gave specific examples to support why i feel the way i do along with a bit of commentary and opinion following each snipett to further support my stance.

"im not a doctor but i play one on the internet".

in reality, im just a dude with an opinion.

:hunch:

X-Terminator
09-02-2008, 02:42 PM
Yes and unfortunately none of those people are running for office anytime in the near future. Politics hasn't been about the issues for some time now.

When politics starts being about the issues again, we'll start finding people in DC who actually give a rats arse about the common folk and those not in position of power!

The way things are going, I'll be dead before that happens.

I really don't give a tinker's damn about Palin's daughter. She can have 10 kids to 8 different boys and I still wouldn't care. She isn't running for office, so what she does in her private life shouldn't mean a thing to anyone. What I DO give a tinker's damn about is Palin and the other candidates stances on/solutions for fighting terrorism, the economy, taxes, partial-birth abortion, improving education, immigration, inflation, reducing oil dependency, reducing overall energy usage, affordable health care...you know, the things that we should be giving a rat's arse about since they actually impact all of our lives.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-02-2008, 02:47 PM
:sly:....:evil:

wow, you say that as if i have done something wrong. in fact i would say you "spun" it to make me look like i was one of those evil leftist media members myself! yikes!

in all simplicity, i did nothing more than have an opinion. i am allowed to have one of those, right?

lets review-

first i started a thread. my opinion was the premise of my thread and contained within the title.

McCain camp whining about the media

secondly i expanded upon the premise of my opinion-



third, i provided a link to the article that led me to draw the conlusion that built up my opinion-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20...g/as77ueg2jfbq

4th, i included the actual title to the article so nobody would confuse the actual article with my opinion based on the article-

McCain Turns Sour on His Onetime Media `Base' as Election Nears

finally i trimmed the fat from the article and included exerpts that gave specific examples to support why i feel the way i do along with a bit of commentary and opinion following each snipett to further support my stance.

"im not a doctor but i play one on the internet".

in reality, im just a dude with an opinion.

:hunch:

I understand...but that is where my confusion came from.

However..I ams STILL confused about how you attributted some of the statements yoou claimed I made ,to my posts.

Preacher
09-02-2008, 02:49 PM
obama himself said it was wrong. are you capable giving credit where credit is due?

and plenty of left wingers are tired of being pigeon holed as foetus eating, abortion artists, who lack morals and expectations, who lack integrity, cant solve their own problems or admit their own mistakes, etc.

again it sounds like you would prefer a govt. controlled media such as in a communist or radical islamic nation.

like it or not people have their own opinions. if the media didnt print about the daughter or husband it woulda been found out anyways, especially with a dwi arrest being PUBLIC record. should we privatize that information too? like it or not, that information would make its way out and people will have an opinion about it, whether you think that opinion is right or wrong. palin is entering the public domain, and she is fair game. why should we change the entire system just for 1 candidate?

I wasn't speaking of Obama... he said it was wrong. Good for him. His people need to pull off their opposition research in those areas and stick to ISSUES....

And please show me where the GOP has called liberals "foetus (sic) eating, abortion artists, who lack morals and expectations, who lack integrity, cant solve their own problems or admit their own mistakes."

Except for the solving their own problems. And that one is blatant... as I have been TOLD that people in office are smarter than us and thus can help us live our life. Yes, that IS the mentality out here.

But here is the issue. You don't see the press going after the dem nominees for not following through on every issue they stand on. But be a conservative and make that mistake, and watch out. It is a double standard that the press LOVES to perpetuate.

Now... as to your assinine comments about communist press....

No, I want the press to live up to their OWN STANDARDS of unbiased reporting.

Funny how they RAIL against Rush and Hannity... who are HONEST about their political stand... yet the mainstream press hide behind an air of unbias and spew their own crap, trying to turn elections.

Want proof... just look at CBS 4 years ago. Think about how quickly the newsrooms acted when Ohio was called for Bush by Fox News and MSNBC. Terry McCaulife called the other news rooms and told them to not call it... and they ALL pulled back.

Do you HONESTLY think they would have done that if the GOP chairman would have made that call? Honestly?

McCain isn't "Whining" about the media. He is calling out the media for their hypocrisy and blatant bias. Good for him. The truth hurts.

Mosca
09-02-2008, 02:51 PM
While I agree that a lot of what the media is bringing up on all of the candidates and their families is garbage and should be ignored...

I think it is really inane for the candidates to whine about it, which is what I think is hipchest's point. It's OK for us to sit here and bitch about it, because that's what we do. It helps pass the time.

But the candidates, all of them... if you don't want to be in the light, don't run for office. And if you run for office, be prepared for the media to inspect your shorts to see what you had for dinner. It's not even a 24 hour a day news cycle... it's a 8640 second a day news cycle, and we need stuff to argue about.

For McCain's camp to whine is just as stupid as it is for Obama's. To all of them, shut up and take the heat. It comes with the job. All this shows is that whining is not the sole province of the Democrats; the Republicans do it, too.

stlrtruck
09-02-2008, 02:54 PM
II am trying to ignore anything and everything said by either camps on the VP's...because, at the end of the day, does it REALLY matter?

Yeah, it does matter because either one of those VPs have the potential to be President. What their children do is irrelevant to the issues at hand, I'm more concerned about their integrity and their choices in office.

Hammer67
09-02-2008, 02:55 PM
Well...since Obama came out and said he doesn't care and it should be a private issue, then all of this speculation is a moot point on the medisa's part, right? So why are we still discussing this?

stlrtruck
09-02-2008, 02:56 PM
in reality, im just a dude with an opinion.


You forgot to add twisted (but that's just MHO) :hatsoff: :rofl:

stlrtruck
09-02-2008, 02:57 PM
Well...since Obama came out and said he doesn't care and it should be a private issue, then all of this speculation is a moot point on the medisa's part, right? So why are we still discussing this?

Good question. :thumbsup:

Chance of this getting back to the issues? Slim to none and slim just left the building. :drink:

Hammer67
09-02-2008, 02:57 PM
Yeah, it does matter because either one of those VPs have the potential to be President. What their children do is irrelevant to the issues at hand, I'm more concerned about their integrity and their choices in office.

Well, Dan Quayle was a moron and he was harmless. Cheney's daughter is gay, and that didn't hurt anyone. SO, this is all pointless campaign bickering that doesn't amount to anything.

stlrtruck
09-02-2008, 02:57 PM
The way things are going, I'll be dead before that happens.

I really don't give a tinker's damn about Palin's daughter. She can have 10 kids to 8 different boys and I still wouldn't care. She isn't running for office, so what she does in her private life shouldn't mean a thing to anyone. What I DO give a tinker's damn about is Palin and the other candidates stances on/solutions for fighting terrorism, the economy, taxes, partial-birth abortion, improving education, immigration, inflation, reducing oil dependency, reducing overall energy usage, affordable health care...you know, the things that we should be giving a rat's arse about since they actually impact all of our lives.

:drink:

Preacher
09-02-2008, 03:00 PM
Well...since Obama came out and said he doesn't care and it should be a private issue, then all of this speculation is a moot point on the medisa's part, right? So why are we still discussing this?

Better question is... why is the media still discussion this?

In order for a news cycle to continue to drive on an issue, there has to be something from the outside to drive it.

So who is pushing this news cycle?

That is the real question.

stlrtruck
09-02-2008, 03:00 PM
Well, Dan Quayle was a moron and he was harmless. Cheney's daughter is gay, and that didn't hurt anyone. SO, this is all pointless campaign bickering that doesn't amount to anything.

ding, ding, ding.....WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 03:40 PM
I understand...but that is where my confusion came from.

However..I ams STILL confused about how you attributted some of the statements yoou claimed I made ,to my posts.

ok. let me explain-

1) saying that I validated a remark about Biden/Obama's daughters....(the proof is in the post that I did the complete opposite)


2) saying I "attacked" Obama's mother...(when again, it is more than obvious by my post that I was pointing out the hypocrisy is the way that the two situations were being treated)
3) trying to play with numbers to discredit what I was saying.1) you said- I wont go so far as to guess what their daughters would do....

this caveat-
But you are on to something.... led me to say you were almost giving that rediculous statement of cubanstogie's credence and merit. i was suprised you even dignified it with a response.

2)after review, i do not see where i even said you attacked obama momma. but i definitely said you attacked him in a quick manner when you called him an unprofessional crybaby. you then posted an article as proof that showed he was anything but. and this was provoked by what? me giving compliments to mccain in my OP?

3)i dont think i was playing with numbers. you made a deal about supposed hypocracy in the media as if obama momma having a baby at 18 (she coulda conceived at 18 yrs 1,2,3, months old.) you did hint that there was no difference between 17, and 18 and i simply pointed out that in the eyes of the law, there most definitely is.

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 03:43 PM
Well...since Obama came out and said he doesn't care and it should be a private issue, then all of this speculation is a moot point on the medisa's part, right? So why are we still discussing this?because the thread was hijacked to deflect attention from the mccain camp whining like little babies instead of standing strong and steadfast, with a stiff upper lip, like the man they represent.

Preacher
09-02-2008, 03:53 PM
because the thread was hijacked to deflect attention from the mccain camp whining like little babies instead of standing strong and steadfast, with a stiff upper lip, like the man they represent.

Yep... that dang GOP party... How DARE they question all the crap being thrown at them.

cubanstogie
09-02-2008, 04:32 PM
The way things are going, I'll be dead before that happens.

I really don't give a tinker's damn about Palin's daughter. She can have 10 kids to 8 different boys and I still wouldn't care. She isn't running for office, so what she does in her private life shouldn't mean a thing to anyone. What I DO give a tinker's damn about is Palin and the other candidates stances on/solutions for fighting terrorism, the economy, taxes, partial-birth abortion, improving education, immigration, inflation, reducing oil dependency, reducing overall energy usage, affordable health care...you know, the things that we should be giving a rat's arse about since they actually impact all of our lives.

Exactly, that why the media and libs bring use the smear campaign. Because Palin has actually accomplished things. Unlike Obama, Hillary, Biden and every other Senator for that matter. They don't want to talk about high approval ratings (90%) so they bring up a soon to be adult daughter.

cubanstogie
09-02-2008, 04:35 PM
This thread and all of the responses are a shining example of what the media has done to the discussion of politics in America. And quite frankly, I'm disgusted.

Family members of candidates should be off-limits. Period. I don't know how more clear that should be. Just because their parent/spouse/guardian/poolboy is running for public office DOES NOT MEAN that they should have their lives and names dragged through the mud. There isn't one person on this board or who has posted in this thread who would like it if the media did the same thing to them.

Does ANYONE care about the actual f'ing issues anymore????

I agree, but can hear it now from the whiners. "What happened to freedom of speech and press". Don't take their rights to smear away.

revefsreleets
09-02-2008, 07:13 PM
is it really "news"? i notice revs didnt even include a link or source. i wonder what blog the story was lifted from? is it just being "spun" as news to deflect attention from the whiny mccain camp?

:scratchchin:

It was from the front page of MSN, and sourced from the NYT, as in the New York Times.

You're kind of falling apart here, and I don't think I've ever see that before...

But I admire your spunk and sticktoitiveness...

Oh, and as far as the original thread, it's all relative. The press is using the old courtroom lawyer trick of saying something inflammatory and inadmissible, then retracting it, but not before it's done it's damage on the jury. Sad to see that it's working...

Preacher
09-02-2008, 07:35 PM
It was from the front page of MSN, and sourced from the NYT, as in the New York Times.

You're kind of falling apart here, and I don't think I've ever see that before...

But I admire your spunk and sticktoitiveness...

Oh, and as far as the original thread, it's all relative. The press is using the old courtroom lawyer trick of saying something inflammatory and inadmissible, then retracting it, but not before it's done it's damage on the jury. Sad to see that it's working...

And then their candidate gets to look even better by coming out against it. Gotta love that.

Atlanta Dan
09-02-2008, 07:53 PM
I personally think it's funny that people are so worried about the VP candidate and her family....and not McCain himself. Tells me the liberal media is scared of McCain and trying anything to demonize him, even if they can't get to him, personally on the issues.

McCain's campaign manager apparently didn't get the memo that his candidate's strength is on the issues

Rick Davis, campaign manager for John McCain's presidential bid, insisted that the presidential race will be decided more over personalities than issues during an interview with Post editors this morning.

"This election is not about issues," said Davis. "This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_manager_this_election_i.html?hpid=topnews

revefsreleets
09-02-2008, 08:01 PM
That's interesting. The people in this thread, no matter how sharp and acute their acumen (or, in some cases, blunt and obtuse), are DEFINITELY electing on issues.

But we are a rare bunch...the American people in general are going to elect based EXACTLY upon what Davis said: Broad strokes and general opinions. Unfortunately, the press plays a large role in the formation of those general impressions with their 8 second sound bites and biased analysis...

X-Terminator
09-02-2008, 08:50 PM
McCain's campaign manager apparently didn't get the memo that his candidate's strength is on the issues

Rick Davis, campaign manager for John McCain's presidential bid, insisted that the presidential race will be decided more over personalities than issues during an interview with Post editors this morning.

"This election is not about issues," said Davis. "This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_manager_this_election_i.html?hpid=topnews

Sadly, he's correct. Americans today are so shallow and self-absorbed...and ignorant...that this is what gets their attention and votes, particularly the younger generation. Style means more than substance among the electorate, and it's just sad to see. That is the reason why we keep getting candidates like Obama and McCain, and those of us who actually do care about the issues are forced to hold our noses and press a button.

HometownGal
09-02-2008, 09:04 PM
OMG...now the press is talking about her husbands DUI...from 22 YEARS AGO?

I'm embarrassed for the media today...these aren't real skeltons in the closet, but they are trying their damndest to make them that way...

Well - they didn't get anywhere with their attempts at showcasing McCain's divorce and remarriage which occurred 28 years ago.

I bet my life on it that Biden would be like a rabid dog if anyone took an underhanded shot at someone in his family, Obama would be wailing like a wounded moose in his defense and his buddy Rev. Wright would be damning every white man and woman out there.

revefsreleets
09-02-2008, 09:08 PM
Well - they didn't get anywhere with their attempts at showcasing McCain's divorce and remarriage which occurred 28 years ago.

I bet my life on it that Biden would be like a rabid dog if anyone took an underhanded shot at someone in his family, Obama would be wailing like a wounded moose in his defense and his buddy Rev. Wright would be damning every white man and woman out there.
That big brain again!:flap:

HometownGal
09-02-2008, 09:12 PM
That big brain again!:flap:

:wink02::chuckle:

revefsreleets
09-02-2008, 09:19 PM
:wink02::chuckle:

Hmmm, where are those pictures I was looking for again? :applaudit:

Steelman16
09-02-2008, 09:23 PM
It's like two boxers going at it, except the Republican boxer has one arm tied behind his back.

The media is electing Obama, and they're going a dang good job of it.

tony hipchest
09-02-2008, 09:25 PM
You're kind of falling apart here, and I don't think I've ever see that before...

But I admire your spunk and sticktoitiveness...

...really? thats funny.

youve accused me of "falling apart" in several of the threads we've cybersparred in.

infact the wording of this post was pretty much verbatim. im pretty sure you even threw in "spunk" and sticktoitiveness". :noidea:

:sofunny: (i gotta pretty good memory in case you dont.) :busted:

Preacher
09-02-2008, 09:32 PM
really? thats funny.

youve accused me of "falling apart" in several of the threads we've cybersparred in.

infact the wording of this post was pretty much verbatim. im pretty sure you even threw in "spunk" and sticktoitiveness". :noidea:

:sofunny: (i gotta pretty good memory in case you dont.) :busted:


Wait a second...

How could that be?

Man you keep destroying my image of you! http://www.homepagedaily.com/uploads/20080515/ab582011-a89f-4e20-89b9-cde7ed27798d/marijuana_poster.jpg




PLEASE GOD......... PUT A SARCASM SMILEY HERE SO EVERYONE KNOWS I AM KIDDING!

augustashark
09-03-2008, 02:04 AM
because the thread was hijacked to deflect attention from the mccain camp whining like little babies instead of standing strong and steadfast, with a stiff upper lip, like the man they represent.

McCains camp may "whine" as you put it, but they have not (as far as I'm aware) tried to shoot down the 1st amendment. Sounds like socialism to me. BTW Tony, is where you work hiring? I would love to be able to post on here like you do. LOL!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iByl1FPfB0D81BuAyW0Vp_9pIyRgD92PL7400

steelwall
09-03-2008, 02:49 AM
Who else is SICK of the bickering??? Is either candidate perfect? Can flaws be exposed on both sides? These political threads are starting to rule this board IMO....Lets get back to football... Vote for who you want to.

Atlanta Dan
09-03-2008, 07:08 AM
McCains camp may "whine" as you put it, but they have not (as far as I'm aware) tried to shoot down the 1st amendment. Sounds like socialism to me. BTW Tony, is where you work hiring? I would love to be able to post on here like you do. LOL!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iByl1FPfB0D81BuAyW0Vp_9pIyRgD92PL7400

He is challenging the financing for the ad, which probably violates McCain-Feingold.

McCain is the candidate with his name on a campaign finance bill which has been found to include unconstitutional restrictions on free speech by the Supreme Court.

tony hipchest
09-03-2008, 08:33 AM
Sounds like socialism to me. BTW Tony, is where you work hiring? I would love to be able to post on here like you do. LOL!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iByl1FPfB0D81BuAyW0Vp_9pIyRgD92PL7400


ahhhhh... *puts feet up on desk*. its great being El Hefe.

socialism? with all the right wing whining about the media, its sounds like they'd prefer a state controlled media commie style! LOL!

Hammer67
09-03-2008, 10:25 AM
Who else is SICK of the bickering??? Is either candidate perfect? Can flaws be exposed on both sides? These political threads are starting to rule this board IMO....Lets get back to football... Vote for who you want to.

Actually...your in the locker room forum and we have been disecting politics and issues for years. The Steelers forum, above, is where you want to be.

Besides, you will find this forum quite civil, which indeed makes for great discussion. All too often the internet is full of brashness and irrationality.

:wink02:

tony hipchest
09-04-2008, 01:05 AM
BTW Tony, is where you work hiring? I would love to be able to post on here like you do. LOL!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iByl1FPfB0D81BuAyW0Vp_9pIyRgD92PL7400hey augusta... great news! i just got through reviewing your application and YOURE HIRED!

you see i, work for a NISH (National Institute for Severely Handicapped) based company on federal govt. contracts that are designed to put retarded and other mentally and physically diabled individuals into the active workforce as opposed to the taxpayers carrying their "burden".

The AbilityOne (formerly JWOD) Program provides employment opportunities for over 40,000 Americans who are blind or have other severe disabilities by orchestrating government purchases of products and services provided by nonprofit agencies employing such individuals throughout the country. In 1938, the Wagner-O'Day Act was passed under President Franklin D. Roosevelt in order to provide employment opportunities for people who are blind by allowing them to manufacture mops and brooms to sell to the federal government.

In 1971, under the leadership of Senator Jacob Javits, Congress amended this Act (41 U.S.C. 46-48c) to include people with severe disabilities and allow the program to also provide services to the federal government. Over sixty years later, this extraordinary socioeconomic program provides federal customers with a wide array of quality products and services, while providing thousands of people with severe disabilities real jobs and increased independence.


but since i can only assume that you feel programs such as these are nothing more than "pork" (even though this non for profit organization has been giving people work and saving taxpayers dollars for years) i anticipate your declination of said job offer.

:toofunny:

:coffee:

:popcorn:

augustashark
09-04-2008, 01:21 AM
He is challenging the financing for the ad, which probably violates McCain-Feingold.

McCain is the candidate with his name on a campaign finance bill which has been found to include unconstitutional restrictions on free speech by the Supreme Court.

Wrong again! That's just a ploy, you know as well as I do that the Obama camp does not want his name tied to people like Ayers. Sorry Barack, but you must lie in the bed for which you have made.

augustashark
09-04-2008, 01:23 AM
hey augusta... great news! i just got through reviewing your application and YOURE HIRED!

you see i, work for a NISH (National Institute for Severely Handicapped) based company on federal govt. contracts that are designed to put retarded and other mentally and physically diabled individuals into the active workforce as opposed to the taxpayers carrying their "burden".



but since i can only assume that you feel programs such as these are nothing more than "pork" (even though this non for profit organization has been giving people work and saving taxpayers dollars for years) i anticipate your declination of said job offer.

:toofunny:

:coffee:

:popcorn:


:hug: I love you man!