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Preacher
09-04-2008, 10:29 PM
Is that dems don't want McCain to speak.

Wow... just how afraid are they?

Texasteel
09-04-2008, 10:44 PM
Is that dems don't want McCain to speak.

Wow... just how afraid are they?

Be afraid, be very, very afraid.

HometownGal
09-04-2008, 10:47 PM
Is that dems don't want McCain to speak.

Wow... just how afraid are they?

I believe they're terrified, quite frankly. Why else would they keep trying to dig up dirt on J-Mac and Palin from over 20 years ago?

McCain is addressing the issues head on and revealing his platforms, unlike Obama who goes on and on like a broken record about his "change", but just like Flip Flop Kerry, doesn't address what "changes" he is going to make and how he plans to accomplish those "changes". :doh:

Oooooo - I can't wait for the debates to begin! :dancing:

tony hipchest
09-04-2008, 10:55 PM
Is that dems don't want McCain to speak.

Wow... just how afraid are they?:sofunny:

youre unreal. youre making it sound like the Jewish leaders who were afraid of Jesus when he spoke. please.

theres this little thing calld "freedom of speech" and the dems dont mind it.

im just scared mccain is going to rip open his shirt and show his wounds. :puke:

cubanstogie
09-04-2008, 10:58 PM
:sofunny:

youre unreal. youre making it sound like the Jewish leaders who were afraid of Jesus when he spoke. please.

theres this little thing calld "freedom of speech" and the dems dont mind it.

im just scared mccain is going to rip open his shirt and show his wounds. :puke:
quote:

im just scared


thats obvious

Preacher
09-04-2008, 11:03 PM
:sofunny:

youre unreal. youre making it sound like the Jewish leaders who were afraid of Jesus when he spoke. please.

theres this little thing calld "freedom of speech" and the dems dont mind it.

im just scared mccain is going to rip open his shirt and show his wounds. :puke:


You mean like going to the GOP convention and trying to shout down the speaker?

It may be freedom of speech... but it reeks of fear.

Seems to me that you should allow the DNC to speak...and the GOP to speak.. then make a decision.

But trying to shout a man down... Yeah.. it reeks of fear.

tony hipchest
09-04-2008, 11:13 PM
You mean like going to the GOP convention and trying to shout down the speaker?

It may be freedom of speech... but it reeks of fear.

Seems to me that you should allow the DNC to speak...and the GOP to speak.. then make a decision.

But trying to shout a man down... Yeah.. it reeks of fear.oh, i see. youre basing your (weak) opinion on the acts of 2 people. what were the republicans afraid of when mcveigh and nichols bombed OK City?

what i learned was mccains momma (God bless her) is 96 years old.

Preacher
09-04-2008, 11:45 PM
oh, i see. youre basing your (weak) opinion on the acts of 2 people. what were the republicans afraid of when mcveigh and nichols bombed OK City?

what i learned was mccains momma (God bless her) is 96 years old.

Tony...

in your own words....

look at the title.

This entire thread was about disrespecting McCain by interrupting him. There are people who feel as strongly against Obama/BIden and their policies as those who feel strongly against McCain. Yet they did not disrespect Obama.

tony hipchest
09-05-2008, 12:04 AM
Tony...

in your own words....

look at the title.

This entire thread was about disrespecting McCain by interrupting him. There are people who feel as strongly against Obama/BIden and their policies as those who feel strongly against McCain. Yet they did not disrespect Obama.none of that was stated in the title or original post. you made a blanket statement that dems dont want mccain to speak. :noidea:

so youre comparing mile high stadium to a tiny hockey arena? im sure there were a few rabelrousers at the DNC who werent caught on camera. how bout the meth heads they arrested with stolen rifles, ammo, and body armor who wanted to kill him?

i guess they didnt want him to speak either. :hunch:

the media just showed the 2 hecklers you saw tonight (and 1 last night) to get you to despise the leftist media even more :rolleyes:

theyre adopting the patriots motto.... "embrace the hate in '08". :chuckle:

seriously. giant football stadium vs. tiny hockey arena. :tap:

Preacher
09-05-2008, 12:22 AM
none of that was stated in the title or original post. you made a blanket statement that dems dont want mccain to speak. :noidea:

so youre comparing mile high stadium to a tiny hockey arena? im sure there were a few rabelrousers at the DNC who werent caught on camera. how bout the meth heads they arrested with stolen rifles, ammo, and body armor who wanted to kill him?

i guess they didnt want him to speak either. :hunch:

the media just showed the 2 hecklers you saw tonight (and 1 last night) to get you to despise the leftist media even more :rolleyes:

theyre adopting the patriots motto.... "embrace the hate in '08". :chuckle:

seriously. giant football stadium vs. tiny hockey arena. :tap:

So we ASSUME that there were hecklers?? Really? Then why NOT show them? Sorry. It doesn't hold water.

You are left with 2 options.

1. They were there and the pool reporters were biased (which proves the press bias argument)

or

2. There was disrespect tonight towards McCain which was NOT shown towards Obama.

MACH1
09-05-2008, 12:23 AM
I think obama's camp is scared sh!tless. There's talk he might switch to bitchary for vp. Probly just a rumor though.:noidea:

Preacher
09-05-2008, 12:26 AM
I think obama's camp is scared sh!tless. There's talk he might switch to bitchary for vp. Probly just a rumor though.:noidea:


I doubt that..

though I find it HILARIOUS that SHE produced a statement tonight more substantive than Obama.

Yeah, Palin has them scared.... actions speak much louder than words...

tony hipchest
09-05-2008, 12:31 AM
So we ASSUME that there were hecklers?? Really? Then why NOT show them? Sorry. It doesn't hold water.

You are left with 2 options.
.

:confused: you lost me here preach. who exactly are you talking about. with the little info provided in your ambiguous post i could only assume you were talking about the 2 hecklers who were yelling something who they showed being escorted out of the stadium.

maybe you watched on a different channel. :hunch: but evil leftist media conglomerate NBC distinctly showed 2 DEMS (you assume- they coulda been right wing extremists) behaving badly and being escorted out of the stadium.

so anyways several people wanted to assassinate obama at his convention so the silencing of a single candidate by the other party is what doesnt hold water. what you said and posted originally goes both ways.

Havik
09-05-2008, 12:51 AM
It's funny how the McCain campaign is jumping on the change platform now since it's clear they don't have any original platform of their own. Now he's supposed to be the change agent. At least Obama faces the issues and offers solutions. Will he accomplish everything he intends to if he wins? Probably not. He may not have the experience but he has the ideas. As for "flip-flopping", all politicians are flip-floppers. Every single one of them. McCain doesn't have a problem with Bush in his corner, and hasn't tried to distance himself from the Bush administration trainwreck. That says a lot to me. I'm sick and tired of the direction this country is going in, and McSame isn't going to change a damn thing.

j-dawg
09-05-2008, 12:57 AM
McCain... He can CHANGE the stuff that his party messed up!!

MACH1
09-05-2008, 01:09 AM
It's funny how the McCain campaign is jumping on the change platform now since it's clear they don't have any original platform of their own. Now he's supposed to be the change agent. At least Obama faces the issues and offers solutions. Will he accomplish everything he intends to if he wins? Probably not. He may not have the experience but he has the ideas. As for "flip-flopping", all politicians are flip-floppers. Every single one of them. McCain doesn't have a problem with Bush in his corner, and hasn't tried to distance himself from the Bush administration trainwreck. That says a lot to me. I'm sick and tired of the direction this country is going in, and McSame isn't going to change a damn thing.

What solutions has he offered to what issue. He's to busy being self centered to worry about any issues. I see his lips move but nothing comes out. He's more worried about his image than anything.

Oh yeah, I remember he wants to raise my taxes. Heck of a solution there.

Preacher
09-05-2008, 01:19 AM
:confused: you lost me here preach. who exactly are you talking about. with the little info provided in your ambiguous post i could only assume you were talking about the 2 hecklers who were yelling something who they showed being escorted out of the stadium.

maybe you watched on a different channel. :hunch: but evil leftist media conglomerate NBC distinctly showed 2 DEMS (you assume- they coulda been right wing extremists) behaving badly and being escorted out of the stadium.

so anyways several people wanted to assassinate obama at his convention so the silencing of a single candidate by the other party is what doesnt hold water. what you said and posted originally goes both ways.

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that REPUBLICANS wanted to ASSASSINATE Obama?

You're better than that Tony...

Or were you talk generally about those outside ones one party.

I think I know you well enough (even in cyber-world) to know that you are NOT meaning REPUBLICANS are trying to assassinate Obama.

tony hipchest
09-05-2008, 01:54 AM
Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that REPUBLICANS wanted to ASSASSINATE Obama?

You're better than that Tony...

Or were you talk generally about those outside ones one party.

I think I know you well enough (even in cyber-world) to know that you are NOT meaning REPUBLICANS are trying to assassinate Obama.

you made this generalization based off of 2 hecklers.-



Is that dems don't want McCain to speak.

Wow... just how afraid are they? and you still havent claridfied what it is youre talking about. did you not see them? do you really know what their party affiliation was. i was just giving an example of how absurd your generalization and jumping to conclusions was. if you can assume 2 hecklers mean they dont want mccain to speak, i can assume 2 potential assassins dont want obama to speak. youre the one who associated the hecklers with an ENTIRE political party.

i think i have proven my point in this thread.

Preacher
09-05-2008, 02:09 AM
you made this generalization based off of 2 hecklers.-

and you still havent claridfied what it is youre talking about. did you not see them? do you really know what their party affiliation was. i was just giving an example of how absurd your generalization and jumping to conclusions was. if you can assume 2 hecklers mean they dont want mccain to speak, i can assume 2 potential assassins dont want obama to speak. youre the one who associated the hecklers with an ENTIRE political party.

i think i have proven my point in this thread.

Fine.. LIBS don't want.

and yes, from what they were saying... they are LIBS. Trying to SHOUT DOWN a speaker means they don't want to let him speak.

And yes, you associated assassins with the GOP. That is a far cry from associating a couple hecklers with the dems.

tony hipchest
09-05-2008, 02:14 AM
Fine.. LIBS don't want.

and yes, from what they were saying... they are LIBS. Trying to SHOUT DOWN a speaker means they don't want to let him speak.

And yes, you associated assassins with the GOP. That is a far cry from associating a couple hecklers with the dems.:nono: you are seeing only what you want to see.

what i actually did was associate 2 members of 1 party wanting to "silence" a candidate of the other party, with 2 members of 1 party, wanting to "silence" a candidate of the other party.

that is a fair association.

you were the one who attributed the 2 individuals to an ENTIRE party, and i did the same (rediculously and obviously tongue in cheek) to prove how absurd the generalization was.

it worked. is turnabout NOT fairplay?

Preacher
09-05-2008, 02:26 AM
:nono: you are seeing only what you want to see.

what i actually did was associate 2 members of 1 party wanting to "silence" a candidate of the other party, with 2 members of 1 party, wanting to "silence" a candidate of the other party.

that is a fair association.

you were the one who attributed the 2 individuals to an ENTIRE party, and i did the same (rediculously and obviously tongue in cheek) to prove how absurd the generalization was.

it worked. is turnabout NOT fairplay?

No.

It wasn't obvious... which is why I responded the way I did.

You have seen my obama pic. If I knew it was tongue in cheek... do you really think I would have responded that way?

BTW...

Those meth heads... no, they WEREN"T a threat...
http://www.smh.com.au/news/us-election/kill-threat-rant/2008/08/27/1219516514717.html


How many people said they wanted to see Bush die?

tony hipchest
09-05-2008, 02:40 AM
No.

It wasn't obvious... which is why I responded the way I did.

You have seen my obama pic. If I knew it was tongue in cheek... do you really think I would have responded that way?

BTW...

Those meth heads...
http://www.smh.com.au/news/us-election/kill-threat-rant/2008/08/27/1219516514717.html


How many people said they wanted to see Bush die?although i NEVER said they were a threat, just that they wanted to silence obama, or not hear him speak, or whatever...

i find it really odd that you would say "no, they WEREN"T a threat... "

"The threats involved a group of meth heads, methamphetamine users, abusers, all of whom were impaired at the time and they cannot be corroborated at this time," Mr Eid said.

Mr Eid said he could not explain the presence of firearms, including a sniper rifle, body armour and wigs. He said there was insufficient evidence to suggest that those involved had any capacity to carry out a threat.

He said the threats were "more aspirational than operational".


oh-kay :dang:

i dont know what world ribs live in, but in my world those type of people are known as a "threat".

Preacher
09-05-2008, 03:09 AM
although i NEVER said they were a threat, just that they wanted to silence obama, or not hear him speak, or whatever...

i find it really odd that you would say "no, they WEREN"T a threat... "



oh-kay :dang:

i dont know what world ribs live in, but in my world those type of people are known as a "threat".


He said the threats were "more aspirational than operational". "There is insufficient evidence there was any kind of threat, or plot or conspiracy."

You're arguing with the author... not with me.


And no... there is no comparison between the two. How many libs and dems WISH they could have pulled a plug and had the speech not go out tonight to millions?

My POINT.... is that there is enough fear in the Code Pink/Lib/dem crowd that they actually made their way INSIDE the GOP convention... and then interrupted McCain's speech three times... 4? I lost count.

That shows fear to me. Bring up all the crackpots you want-- I've made my point.

ShutDown24
09-05-2008, 03:23 AM
I am 18 and this is the first time I will be voting. While I recognize that my lack of experience following politics is great, I feel I have a good handle on the candidates. More so, actually, than most people. I don't latch onto an individual or party and 'stick' regardless of what he/it does like some. I am unbiased and only have the good of my country in mind. I go with gut feeling and the vibes/information both options put out. With that in mind, here is my opinion on the elections as an undecided voter thus far -

McCain:

It really does seem to me that McCain/Palin have indeed made a splash and altered the course of this election. While the RNC did seem a little over done... It was impressive.

A big deal is made about McCain's age. Well, despite what many may think - his age, at least among most 'young people' I know, is in fact an advantage. Myself as well as my friends find respect amongst the elderly, particularly in politics. I might even say that comfort is found in the experience McCain seems to bring to the table.

At this point, I am growing more in favor of McCain and his group.

Obama:

To put it bluntly, I think people are tiring of Obama. While the excellent verbiage and power in his speeches did impress me (As many others) in the beginning, the 'WOW' factor is starting to fade. I constantly hear the same blah-blah-blah out of Obama that he has been saying since announcing his candidacy.

Mr. Obama does offer a good upside, but the risks are too high with him in my opinion. Without needing to go into too much detail, I can sum up my view on Obama as this - I'm tired of hearing the same old story about 'change' in general. It's just not specific enough.

Conclusion:

If the polls opened today, I'm supporting the republican. I wish Obama could be all that he seems, but he just isn't. A flash in the pan, lightning in a bottle, beginners luck... Whatever you will call it, that's what I think the democrats are offering this time around. Nothing more. In my eyes McCain is a steady choice that, at the very least, we as citizens can try and have some faith in.

Sorry Barack, but a good first impression can only carry you so far.

Preacher
09-05-2008, 03:32 AM
I am 18 and this is the first time I will be voting. While I recognize that my lack of experience following politics is great, I feel I have a good handle on the candidates. More so, actually, than most people. I don't latch onto an individual or party and 'stick' regardless of what he/it does like some. I am unbiased and only have the good of my country in mind. I go with gut feeling and the vibes/information both options put out. With that in mind, here is my opinion on the elections as an undecided voter thus far -

McCain:

It really does seem to me that McCain/Palin have indeed made a splash and altered the course of this election. While the RNC did seem a little over done... It was impressive.

A big deal is made about McCain's age. Well, despite what many may think - his age, at least among most 'young people' I know, is in fact an advantage. Myself as well as my friends find respect amongst the elderly, particularly in politics. I might even say that comfort is found in the experience McCain seems to bring to the table.

At this point, I am growing more in favor of McCain and his group.

Obama:

To put it bluntly, I think people are tiring of Obama. While the excellent verbiage and power in his speeches did impress me (As many others) in the beginning, the 'WOW' factor is starting to fade. I constantly hear the same blah-blah-blah out of Obama that he has been saying since announcing his candidacy.

Mr. Obama does offer a good upside, but the risks are too high with him in my opinion. Without needing to go into too much detail, I can sum up my view on Obama as this - I'm tired of hearing the same old story about 'change' in general. It's just not specific enough.

Conclusion:

If the polls opened today, I'm supporting the republican. I wish Obama could be all that he seems, but he just isn't. A flash in the pan, lightning in a bottle, beginners luck... Whatever you will call it, that's what I think the democrats are offering this time around. Nothing more. In my eyes McCain is a steady choice that, at the very least, we as citizens can try and have some faith in.

Sorry Barack, but a good first impression can only carry you so far.


That is probably a good assessment....

and in all honesty... 8 years of seasoning for Obama AND Palin would produce two EXCELLENT candidates THEN.

However, for Obama's part, may I introduce Richard Nixon. He lost to JFK in a CLOSE race (Many say that mayor Daly in Chicago stole it for him... same machine that produced Obama). However, he shut down everything and walked off into the sunset for eight years. He then came back in 68 and won.

Obama needs to be careful he doesn't fall into the trap of the last to Dem candidates.. IF he loses... or starts falling behind LATE in the race... he needs to keep is dignity and follow Nixon's example of not contesting.

To do so, then getting more seasoned in the senate (he would be REAL smart to run for governor), would make Obama UNBEATABLE in 8 or so years in my opinion.

I would say the same for Palin... except that if McCain wins, then she sits next to him for 4 years.... learning the job right along side of him.

augustashark
09-05-2008, 03:42 AM
That is probably a good assessment....

and in all honesty... 8 years of seasoning for Obama AND Palin would produce two EXCELLENT candidates THEN.

However, for Obama's part, may I introduce Richard Nixon. He lost to JFK in a CLOSE race (Many say that mayor Daly in Chicago stole it for him... same machine that produced Obama). However, he shut down everything and walked off into the sunset for eight years. He then came back in 68 and won.

Obama needs to be careful he doesn't fall into the trap of the last to Dem candidates.. IF he loses... or starts falling behind LATE in the race... he needs to keep is dignity and follow Nixon's example of not contesting.

To do so, then getting more seasoned in the senate (he would be REAL smart to run for governor), would make Obama UNBEATABLE in 8 or so years in my opinion.

I would say the same for Palin... except that if McCain wins, then she sits next to him for 4 years.... learning the job right along side of him.


Very good post preach, I think you are spot on with the Nixon/Obama example. I was just thinking about Reagan in 76, everyone said that he was better than Ford. Four years later we got one of the very best. So you are right, some seasoning really helps some canidates.

Havik
09-05-2008, 12:19 PM
What solutions has he offered to what issue. He's to busy being self centered to worry about any issues. I see his lips move but nothing comes out. He's more worried about his image than anything.

His speech at the DNC addressed the many issues we face as a country, and how we can go about finding solutions for these issues. I don't agree with Obama on everything, but a lot of what he said made sense. And unlike McCain, Obama is the one standing up to the corrupt Bush administration. He has a plan to end the war in Iraq. McCain supports endless war. He seems to be the one more worried about his image. Now he wants to steal Obama's "change" platform he has been using since he started his campaign. Sorry McSame, I'm not buying it.

Oh yeah, I remember he wants to raise my taxes. Heck of a solution there.

So I'm guessing you make over $200,000 a year or your a corporate executive? Obama wants to take away tax breaks from big oil companies, who in the past year have made record profits, and businesses that move jobs overseas. He plans on more tax breaks for seniors and working families. Obama supports a G.I. bill that would provide a college education to armed forces veterans, and McCain was against it. Why? Because it would be funded by a .5% tax increase to those that make over $250,000 a year. McCain will work in the favor of big business and the rich, while leaving the working class to drown in poverty, unemployment, and home forclosures.

MACH1
09-05-2008, 12:40 PM
His speech at the DNC addressed the many issues we face as a country, and how we can go about finding solutions for these issues. I don't agree with Obama on everything, but a lot of what he said made sense. And unlike McCain, Obama is the one standing up to the corrupt Bush administration. He has a plan to end the war in Iraq. McCain supports endless war. He seems to be the one more worried about his image. Now he wants to steal Obama's "change" platform he has been using since he started his campaign. Sorry McSame, I'm not buying it.



So I'm guessing you make over $200,000 a year or your a corporate executive? Obama wants to take away tax breaks from big oil companies, who in the past year have made record profits, and businesses that move jobs overseas. He plans on more tax breaks for seniors and working families. Obama supports a G.I. bill that would provide a college education to armed forces veterans, and McCain was against it. Why? Because it would be funded by a .5% tax increase to those that make over $250,000 a year. McCain will work in the favor of big business and the rich, while leaving the working class to drown in poverty, unemployment, and home forclosures.

His only plan to end the war is to tuck his tail between his legs a run.

As far as the taxes, we own two businesses. Have you looked at how much he wants to raise business tax? He'll end up putting a lot of small businesses out of business with that tax alone. So much for creating more jobs and bettering the economy. Business owners such as us, with just those taxes combined with the others he wants to raise is not doing the country a favor. Obama's going to make Carter look god like if he is elected.

fansince'76
09-05-2008, 12:44 PM
He has a plan to end the war in Iraq. McCain supports endless war.

Obama said any refinement of his position on Iraq wouldn't be related to his promise to remove combat forces within 16 months of taking office, but rather to the number of troops needed to train Iraqis and fight al-Qaida. But he also acknowledged that the 16-month timeline could indeed slip if removing troops risked their safety or Iraqi stability....Obama has always said his promise to end the war would require consultations with military commanders and, possibly, flexibility.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5873246.html

IOW, he'll pull our troops out within 16 months of his inauguration, unless events on the ground in Iraq prevent him from meeting that timetable. Aren't events on the ground in Iraq exactly what have kept our troops there this long? His plan is also apparently contingent upon "consultations with military commanders." What happens if those military commanders recommend several more years of occupation? And he still won't pull all of them out, as according to his plan, some will need to remain in country to continue to train Iraqis and fight al-Qaida. Yeah, real "firm" plan to end the war there.

I agree that this country is in desperate need of change, and I have serious doubts that McCain is the answer. However, I also don't think an inneffectual and indecisive milquetoast in the Oval Office is the change that's needed either, sorry.

MACH1
09-05-2008, 10:57 PM
Is change the same as flip flopping. Can trust this guy about as far as I can throw him.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/images2/obamaguns.jpg

Preacher
09-05-2008, 11:16 PM
Is change the same as flip flopping. Can trust this guy about as far as I can throw him.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/images2/obamaguns.jpg



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