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BlitzburghRockCity
11-27-2005, 03:23 AM
Just alittle food for thought, but normally if u shut a team down in the running game, and make them 1 dimensional, u can pin ur ears back and come after the QB..and pressure breeds turnovers and mistakes.

Thats a tall task, to stop Edgerrin James, this much is obvious..and just becuz you do, Peyton can burn the best in the business w/ his arm.. so who do u focus on.

The Steelers always try to stop the run first and dictate what they want the offense to do, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

stand undefeated
11-27-2005, 03:30 AM
Stopping Edge comes first in my books... then work on the QB, even if it's Manning.

Cause we're not gonna stop the pass, just slow it down.

SalukiSteelers
11-27-2005, 04:10 AM
Even if the Steelers stop the running game, the Edge getting yards on screen passes really worries me. Pittsburgh's non-stop blitzing really opens up that part of an offense and can be just as effective as a running game. Just look at what the Pats have done against the Steelers consistently.

Livinginthe past
11-27-2005, 04:21 AM
I feel that the best way to beat most teams is to take away the running option, D is alot easier one you have halved the oppositions playbook.

There is two ways of doing this.

1. Stop The Edge repeatedly - which will mean D-Line penetration and lots of it - especially on the stretch play to the left which the Colts favor strongly.

2. Score early on their D - the Colts, and Manning in particular, will drop the running game like a hot potato if they fall into a 10-13 point deficit.

As far as preventing Manning from passing Pittsburgh to death you need a combination of two things.

1. Pressure on the QB - Manning was pressured exactly once in this years game against the Patriots and he responded by throwing the ball up for grabs for an interception.

2. Late movement in the defensive backfield - Manning makes all his playcalls after analysing what the D is showing him before the snap - the Patriots and the Crennel Browns both used this option with much success.
The Patriots were unable to utilise this method this year due to the fact that any movement in the backfield prior to the snap would have confused an already clueless secondary more than Manning!

This is the game that Pittsburgh will be judged on - hopefully Ben will be at 100% and able to scramble to avoid the pass rush (which is over-rated in my opinion)

Good Luck Steelers

NM

steeler47
11-27-2005, 09:14 AM
Well anytime you make a team 1 demensional your ahead...usually !

But with the colts and the no chin manning,when they try to keep the D on the field with his quick play calling so they match-up better,I think thats going to be a key for us.We need to have the personnell ready to get on and off.They know we shuffel alot in and out..we'll have to be ready.Sometimes even when you are ready mannning snap's the ball on you for a flag.

One thing I noticed watching the bungles/colts game is that manning when feeling the pressure gets pretty uncomfortable back there.He's seems to be so use to having his time and way that when feeling any pressure....he's uncomfortable!!

BlitzburghRockCity
11-27-2005, 10:08 AM
If you watched manning last week, he changed the play or atleast appeared to make changes before almost every single snap. He would walk up the line, change the play repeatedly. The guy is just amazing when it comes to reading defenses and getting the right play for the oncoming attack.

He was burnt a few times, and will occasionally throw the pick as 'past mentioned..so its imperative to get in his face.

clevestinks
11-27-2005, 01:08 PM
Our best defense will have to be our offense, namely our running game. Run the ball, control the clock and keep Edge and Manning off the field.

ColtsFan in CA
11-27-2005, 01:46 PM
When Manning goes under center he really is not given any set of plays, Tom Moore ( OC) actually gives him an idea of how they want the game to go. Cincy in the first half focused exclusively on stopping James which is why you saw all those points. Manning does get flustered when we get behind because he feels he needs to shoulder the whole team. He has more confidence in his d this year but he still can be had.

I for one am excited to see how this plays out I am at the Dome so it is going to be a great game.

Here is to no injuries

:cheers:

BlitzburghRockCity
11-27-2005, 01:48 PM
Yeah +1 to the no injuries too..

although w/ cincy, they are at the bottom of the league at stopping the run so they had commit more men and plays to that so it left them wide open in the passing game even with their decent secondary.. we can usually stop the run w/ our front 7 and our combination of blitzes so its gonna be interesting.

ColtsFan in CA
11-27-2005, 01:54 PM
well if you watched the game I think the Cincy secondary believed their own press, too many times grabbing for the ball instead of tackling the WR.
I agree you guys are much better and will get better pressure, this year our OL has not been as solid the pocket is not as clean as in years past. athough Peyton does feel the pressure and will just dump off. I am more worried about your running game Hopefully TD has a plan in mind and we execute

I hate MNF , hate having to wait an extra day :bouncy:

Atlanta Dan
11-27-2005, 03:28 PM
[QUOTE=I hate MNF , hate having to wait an extra day :bouncy:[/QUOTE]


After tomorrow we have nothing but Sunday at 1 pm games left, which is fine with me.

Playing at night and at 4 pm on Sundays means you had a good previous year, but I prefer to get my Steelers fix regularly at 1 pm and then have the rest of the day to enjoy.

steeler47
11-27-2005, 05:09 PM
When Manning goes under center he really is not given any set of plays, Tom Moore ( OC) actually gives him an idea of how they want the game to go. Cincy in the first half focused exclusively on stopping James which is why you saw all those points. Manning does get flustered when we get behind because he feels he needs to shoulder the whole team. He has more confidence in his d this year but he still can be had.

I for one am excited to see how this plays out I am at the Dome so it is going to be a great game.

Here is to no injuries

:cheers:




Hey there coltsfan in Cali,

I was wondering if you knew anything about the dirty play comments on your D-Line(cheap leg shots) that the media and other players have commented on ?


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...s.xml&items=55 (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2002518839_nflnotes25.html?syndication=rss&source=seahawks.xml&items=55)

Colts coach Tony Dungy dismissed Boomer Esiason's comments that Colts defensive-line coach John Teerlink teaches his players to hurt quarterbacks.

Esiason, a former quarterback who is now an analyst for CBS, said in an interview with Sirius NFL radio that Jacksonville quarterback Byron Leftwich had good reason to be upset with Teerlink last Sunday. Leftwich was battered by the Colts' defense and suffered a groin injury, and he indicated his displeasure with a gesture toward Teerlink that later drew a $5,000 fine.

"He teaches his guys techniques that really border on trying to get someone hurt and knock them out of the game," Esiason said. "I understand why Byron Leftwich did what he did. I don't condone that, but what I would have loved for him to do is just go up there and punch [Teerlink] in the mouth."

ColtsFan in CA
11-27-2005, 11:21 PM
Hey there coltsfan in Cali,

I was wondering if you knew anything about the dirty play comments on your D-Line(cheap leg shots) that the media and other players have commented on ?


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...s.xml&items=55 (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2002518839_nflnotes25.html?syndication=rss&source=seahawks.xml&items=55)

Colts coach Tony Dungy dismissed Boomer Esiason's comments that Colts defensive-line coach John Teerlink teaches his players to hurt quarterbacks.

Esiason, a former quarterback who is now an analyst for CBS, said in an interview with Sirius NFL radio that Jacksonville quarterback Byron Leftwich had good reason to be upset with Teerlink last Sunday. Leftwich was battered by the Colts' defense and suffered a groin injury, and he indicated his displeasure with a gesture toward Teerlink that later drew a $5,000 fine.

"He teaches his guys techniques that really border on trying to get someone hurt and knock them out of the game," Esiason said. "I understand why Byron Leftwich did what he did. I don't condone that, but what I would have loved for him to do is just go up there and punch [Teerlink] in the mouth."
No way were they cheap shots, the one on Leftwich he was bent like a pretzel after a fumble and he tried to pick it up and make a play. Bodies flying everywhere. Kyle Boller was hurt running out of the pocket our guy tackled him at the shoes and turf toe was the result.
The Browns QB the guy was blocked into him. No way is this team dirty they take to much pride in thier craft and like peopkle have said before TD is wayyy too much class to allow it.


Our players respect the game to much and they follow the lead of the Head Coach. Boomer was talking out his butt and just mouthing off

BlitzburghRockCity
11-28-2005, 12:46 AM
The broncos never reveal or admit any of the tactics they have used on the OL in their blocking schemes are anything less than on the up and up either though... soooo.. I hope you're right bro, I really do, cuz if something even remotely resembling a cheap shot happens to Ben, the black n gold faithful will storm Indy like nothing you could possibly imagine. :wink:

ColtsFan in CA
11-28-2005, 01:33 AM
The broncos never reveal or admit any of the tactics they have used on the OL in their blocking schemes are anything less than on the up and up either though... soooo.. I hope you're right bro, I really do, cuz if something even remotely resembling a cheap shot happens to Ben, the black n gold faithful will storm Indy like nothing you could possibly imagine. :wink:


So I guess not hearing a peep in like what 6-7 weeks means nothing I mean come on Jag Fans are now calling the Cards dirty cuz Leftwich was taken out of the game today.

That article is so old

BlitzburghRockCity
11-28-2005, 02:13 AM
Im not saying either way that the colts do or do not employ questionable tactics.. all Im saying is I hope it isnt true.

Suitanim
11-28-2005, 10:21 AM
Yes, the article is old...what is older is Teerlink's reputation. This is far from the first time I have brought this up (I mentioned it while watching the Browns/Colts game), and I've known about his reputation since back when he was the Vikings line coach...I'm certainly not the only one. It's a well known fact that Teerlink teaches his players to take QB's out. He makes snide little comments (Like "run through the QB and use the QB to cushion your fall") that make it very easy to believe that he's teling his players to hit QB's at the knee's because the knee's are the weak point.

This isn't necessarily illegal, just not the best way to teach players to play. I bring it up, because we are playing the Colts this week, and our star QB has a knee injury. If Teerlink was coaching the Cardinals DL, and we were playing the Cardinals this week, I'd bring it up.

SteelerFanatic
11-28-2005, 11:19 AM
We should be able to stop the run, but do we want to force Manning to throw the ball? I sure don't. The key is to pressure Manning and hit him even if he's just handing off the ball, hit him, hurry him, blitz - blitz - blitz - blitz , and after that Blitz again. He doesn't perform well when he is facing legitimate pressure. Having said that, we HAVE to cover and cover well or Manning will make the throws. He knows the game and plays it well BUT not with alot of pressure and worrying about being hit.


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tony hipchest
11-28-2005, 05:16 PM
i say we borrow a page from the chiefs gameplan yesterday against the pats. they got 1 good hard hit on brady early on and the rest was down hill. he played like he did last halloween, against the steelers. brady and manning are alot alike. so used to standing upright that when they take an early shot they seem to become unravelled and flustered.

hit manning and hit him hard, even at the expense of a big play. this could pay divedends as the game wears on.

workhorse
11-28-2005, 05:36 PM
Yes, the article is old...what is older is Teerlink's reputation. This is far from the first time I have brought this up (I mentioned it while watching the Browns/Colts game), and I've known about his reputation since back when he was the Vikings line coach...I'm certainly not the only one. It's a well known fact that Teerlink teaches his players to take QB's out. He makes snide little comments (Like "run through the QB and use the QB to cushion your fall") that make it very easy to believe that he's teling his players to hit QB's at the knee's because the knee's are the weak point.

This isn't necessarily illegal, just not the best way to teach players to play. I bring it up, because we are playing the Colts this week, and our star QB has a knee injury. If Teerlink was coaching the Cardinals DL, and we were playing the Cardinals this week, I'd bring it up.


I would bet you that every coach tells their guys to run through the quarterback. There is nothing to the speculation of them being dirty.