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Steel Pit
09-24-2008, 05:59 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08268/914503-194.stm

About the coaching: Steelers staff failed miserably vs. Eagles
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
By Bob Smizik, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


A day removed from it, the embarrassing loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, a game in which the Steelers were badly outplayed and outcoached, looked like a mere blip on the team's near-certain ascendancy to the AFC North championship. Two days removed from it, however, the game has taken on an ominous tone. The path to the title in a division believed to be thick with sub-par opponents looks considerably more formidable.

That has something to do with the injury report coach Mike Tomlin revealed at his news conference yesterday. It also has something to do with the quality of coaching coming from Tomlin and his staff, which was revealed Sunday against the Eagles.

On the injury front, it was bad enough that nose tackle Casey Hampton, one of the team's best defensive players, was pronounced out for the game against the Baltimore Ravens Monday. That was expected. What wasn't expected, and what truly does not bode well for the team, is the addition of running back Willie Parker to the list of players, which also includes defensive end Brett Keisel, that will not play against the Ravens.

The Steelers have a highly competent replacement for Hampton in Chris Hoke, a seven-year veteran who allowed little or no fallout at nose tackle in 2004 when he started the final 10 games of a 15-1 season. What is noteworthy about Hampton's absence is that two-thirds of the starting defensive line is out against an opponent that has thrived running the ball. The Ravens have rushed 90 times in two games -- which is one more time than the Steelers have in three games -- and dominated the opposition in doing so.

The replacement for Parker, the second-leading rusher in the AFC even after being held to 20 yards by the Eagles, is rookie Rashard Mendenhall, a player of immense potential but one who has failed to gain the coaching staff's confidence, as evidenced by the fact he had no rushing attempts in the past two games.

Among players the Steelers could least afford to lose, Parker would rank in the top five. That's not just because he is so talented, but also because his replacement is so questionable. Mendenhall, whose fumbling in the exhibition season caused the coaching staff to lose confidence in him, has gained 28 yards on 10 attempts this season. He must soften a Baltimore defense that historically has been excellent and, based on their two games this season, remains very much that way.

Not too much should be made of the Ravens' league-leading defensive statistics since they've come against the Cincinnati Bengals and Cleveland Browns. But it is impressive that they've allowed only an average of 161 yards and have held quarterbacks, one of whom was Carson Palmer, to a combined passer rating of 26.6.

Although Tomlin presented the Ravens as a opponent that will be difficult to beat, there was not a hint of concern in his tone. He provided the standard Tomlin line: "We acknowledge that injuries are part of the game. The standard of expectation won't change for us. It's an opportunity for some people to step up. We expect those guys to step up and deliver for us and we know they will."

Once, those typical words from Tomlin were reassuring. But following the Philadelphia debacle and following a distinct decline in his won-loss percentage, Tomlin's certitude is no longer so calming. He's looking more mortal these days, especially after his failure to solve the Eagles' defense, one with which he and his staff should have been intimately familiar.

He accepted blame for that. "As coaches, we could have done a better job of adjusting and putting these guys in a position to be successful."

That's the real job of coaches, and Tomlin and his staff haven't been so good at it lately. After opening his NFL career with seven wins in nine games and making the Rooneys look, as they did with Chuck Noll and Bill Cowher, like geniuses in evaluating coaches, Tomlin's career has taken a backward step. He's a mediocre 5-6 since his first nine games.

It's a big game for the Steelers Monday and a big game for Tomlin. His players must rise to the challenge and so must the coaching staff. Philadelphia presented the NFL a blueprint for victory over the Steelers. The Ravens have their own style but would be wise to incorporate some of the tactics employed by the Eagles.

Tomlin and his staff must show they can't be outsmarted by the opposing coaches again like they were against the Eagles.

Bob Smizik can be reached at bsmizik@post-gazette.com. More articles by this author
First published on September 24, 2008 at 12:00 am

Steel Pit
09-24-2008, 06:11 AM
"He's looking more mortal these days, especially after his failure to solve the Eagles' defense, one with which he and his staff should have been intimately familiar."

The offensive line is solely to blame, Bruce Arians is a genius. :rofl:



"He accepted blame for that. "As coaches, we could have done a better job of adjusting and putting these guys in a position to be successful."

The offensive line is solely to blame, Bruce Arians is a genius. :rofl:



"Tomlin and his staff must show they can't be outsmarted by the opposing coaches again like they were against the Eagles."

The offensive line is solely to blame, Bruce Arians is a genius. :rofl:


Well, I guess that Bob Smizik is also full of :poop:. He might very well be, but at least he's being paid for his perspective.

Steel Pit
09-24-2008, 06:30 AM
As I read the article I sense that there's a finger being pointed at someone. I wonder who??? Could it be.....No, he's a genius.

So let me see, the defense played more than well enough to win the game so that eliminates Dick LeBeau.

Overall the special teams played well, so that eliminates that facet of the team from blame.

So we're left to look at the offensive coaching staff. Seeing that Mike Tomlin is a defensive oriented coach, I must exclude him from blame, although that's probably up for debate for some of you Bruce Arians groupies. That leaves the offensive line coach and Bruce Arians remaining in the room. As far as I'm concerned the Steelers should can both of their A$$ES at seasons end.

Steel Pit
09-24-2008, 06:52 AM
If anyone cares to spend a few minutes reading threads from a 2003 Cleveland Browns website in regards to Bruce Arians, and by the way, 2003 was a very successful season for the Browns, here's the link.

http://cle.scout.com/2/194800.html

A lot of the criticism of Arians in 2003 sounds much the same as today. As they say, where there's smoke there's fire.

Here are a couple of my favorite portions of the site, the imfamous goathorns, as voted on by the fans.

GOATS

Player Goathorns

Bruce Arians 66 :rofl:
Butch Davis 33
---Entire Offense--- 25
Kelly Holcomb 23
Tim Couch 16
Carmen Policy 15
---O Line--- 11


brownsfan2112 How do you look in the mirror on Sunday night Arians? you're the worst offensive co. in the league! how do i know? because only an idiot can take a team with so much talent at the skilled positions and only produce 3 points! and guess what else? tight ends and full backs can do more than block! and also, why do carry that big play sheet around with you? you know the four plays you run and you certainly dont need it so the opposing team can't read you're lips, because they know what's coming from you're predictability! and Davis, you should go back to college ball. you've been out-coached the entire season. you can pick talent, but you sure can't use it. the way you handle the affairs of this team is criminal. from putting unneeded pressure on both our quarterbacks with press conferences, to calling josh booty on the phone to tell him he was released, to the horrific play calling on the field. it's fourth and one, punt. Oh, fourth and nine? go for it! and let me tell you, one fake punt is not going to cut it! the team is uncomfortable, flat, and unenthusiastic at this point. you can tell by the play and the action on the sidelines. once supportive team mates are just running on and off the field like they're punching in and out of a job they don't like. And check you're ego at the door, you're not that good. Mr. Al Lerner, please do me and other Browns fans a favor, fire butch Davis and Bruce Arians. And I promise you, the great city of Cleveland will finally have the football team it deserves!

Edman
09-24-2008, 09:55 AM
Who said Bruce Arians is a genius? Look around this board and I haven't seen one person proclaiming Bruce Arians as a genius. He and the rest of the coaching staff deserves blame for last Sunday. It was a bad game.

He turned a QB into lead the league in INT's the previous year into a Pro Bowler. He had the leagues' leading rusher before the injury last year. The Steelers are 2-1 after three games in a long season.

Fire the bum Arians! He sucks! While we're at it, fire Tomlin! Cowher and Whisenhunt never put up this type of offensive abortion! Ever!

X-Terminator
09-24-2008, 10:12 AM
Steel Pit, I'd like for you to point out one post or person on this board who is a "Bruce Arians groupie" or has said that he is a "genius." I believe most have said that all of the blame can't be placed on him, that despite his questionable playcalling at times the offense still had good numbers last season. I personally have said that Arians definitely deserves blame for a bad game plan on Sunday. How you get this "genius" BS out of that is beyond my comprehension.

DACEB
09-24-2008, 10:34 AM
"As coaches, we could have done a better job of adjusting and putting these guys in a position to be successful."

That quote from Tomlin says it all. We have an offensive group that can succeed. It's early and I believe we will get better. This is a step in the maturation process of a young head coach. I will look to this Mondays game, a true test in terms of the Ravens defensive style and our offensive struggles, as a barometer. I fully expect Tomlin to take Arians and Zierlein to task over that debacle Sunday.

cubanstogie
09-24-2008, 10:45 AM
If anyone cares to spend a few minutes reading threads from a 2003 Cleveland Browns website in regards to Bruce Arians, and by the way, 2003 was a very successful season for the Browns, here's the link.

http://cle.scout.com/2/194800.html

A lot of the criticism of Arians in 2003 sounds much the same as today. As they say, where there's smoke there's fire.

Here are a couple of my favorite portions of the site, the imfamous goathorns, as voted on by the fans.

GOATS

Player Goathorns

Bruce Arians 66 :rofl:
Butch Davis 33
---Entire Offense--- 25
Kelly Holcomb 23
Tim Couch 16
Carmen Policy 15
---O Line--- 11


brownsfan2112 How do you look in the mirror on Sunday night Arians? you're the worst offensive co. in the league! how do i know? because only an idiot can take a team with so much talent at the skilled positions and only produce 3 points! and guess what else? tight ends and full backs can do more than block! and also, why do carry that big play sheet around with you? you know the four plays you run and you certainly dont need it so the opposing team can't read you're lips, because they know what's coming from you're predictability! and Davis, you should go back to college ball. you've been out-coached the entire season. you can pick talent, but you sure can't use it. the way you handle the affairs of this team is criminal. from putting unneeded pressure on both our quarterbacks with press conferences, to calling josh booty on the phone to tell him he was released, to the horrific play calling on the field. it's fourth and one, punt. Oh, fourth and nine? go for it! and let me tell you, one fake punt is not going to cut it! the team is uncomfortable, flat, and unenthusiastic at this point. you can tell by the play and the action on the sidelines. once supportive team mates are just running on and off the field like they're punching in and out of a job they don't like. And check you're ego at the door, you're not that good. Mr. Al Lerner, please do me and other Browns fans a favor, fire butch Davis and Bruce Arians. And I promise you, the great city of Cleveland will finally have the football team it deserves!

how much credibility does a browns fan have? pretty sad when you are quoting them. how much better have they got? with that said, I am not a Arians groupie either. But he has called some great games. People used to shit on Cowher and is conservatism at play calling as well. It is a tough job. The line did not execute well, I would have like some draw plays and more screens, even a reverse. Imagine how frustrated the coaching staff must have been, I know I was frustrated as a fan.You can not just blame one person. The whole offense is hanging there head now, and they should.

HometownGal
09-24-2008, 10:53 AM
how much credibility does a browns fan have? pretty sad when you are quoting them. how much better have they got? with that said, I am not a Arians groupie either. But he has called some great games. People used to shit on Cowher and is conservatism at play calling as well. It is a tough job. The line did not execute well, I would have like some draw plays and more screens, even a reverse. Imagine how frustrated the coaching staff must have been, I know I was frustrated as a fan.You can not just blame one person. The whole offense is hanging there head now, and they should.

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head, stogie. :thumbsup:

While I do blame the majority of the O's woes on Sunday solely on the OL for not "preaching what they practiced", I do realize that the O, as a unit, did not perform well. I'm not going to beat their ineptitude (or the coaching staff's brain farts) in ONE GAME into the ground. It is what it is and I have all of the confidence in the world in Tomlin, Arians and our coaching staff to have our guys ready for Monday night's matchup with the Ratfinks.

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-24-2008, 12:14 PM
. That leaves the offensive line coach and Bruce Arians remaining in the room. As far as I'm concerned the Steelers should can both of their A$$ES at seasons end.

I dont think Tomlin is implying just those 2coaches, coach T isnt a dictator, but a realist and a motivator. I think he is saying the Offense as a whole. That includes WR coaches, TE coaches for recognizing blitzes and running hot routes, maybe even RB coaches about blocking on the blitz.

Football is a team sport. These guys goto war together each week and you win as a team and lose as a team. Tomlin isnt about pointing out individuals to blame and throwing them under the bus.

As for firing anybody at seasons end......I dont think its rational to start calling for changes at week 3, when your team is 2-1. Now, if we were 0-3 and in Detroit.:wink02:

SteelMember
09-24-2008, 12:24 PM
Now, if we were 0-3 and in Detroit.:wink02:

I think Millen may be the problem there.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080924/SPORTS01/80924031

lilyoder6
09-24-2008, 12:28 PM
i think that the whole off coaches needed to realize what happened.. and fix the mistakes now

revefsreleets
09-24-2008, 12:46 PM
Fire Arians now!
Install the Split back veer!
That'll show 'em!

Dino 6 Rings
09-24-2008, 12:50 PM
Here's my offense.

1st down, Run Right for 3.5 yards.
2nd down, Run Right for 3.5 yards.
3rd down, Run Left for 4 yards.
1st down, Run Left for 3.5 yards
2nd down Pass Deep for 65 yards and a TD.

Yeah Me!!! I did it!

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-24-2008, 01:10 PM
Fire Arians now!
Install the Split back veer!
That'll show 'em!

How about getting June Jones and installing the Run N' Shoot?? ..:rofl:

rich4eagle
09-24-2008, 07:27 PM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08268/914503-194.stm

About the coaching: Steelers staff failed miserably vs. Eagles
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
By Bob Smizik, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


A day removed from it, the embarrassing loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, a game in which the Steelers were badly outplayed and outcoached, looked like a mere blip on the team's near-certain ascendancy to the AFC North championship. Two days removed from it, however, the game has taken on an ominous tone. The path to the title in a division believed to be thick with sub-par opponents looks considerably more formidable.

That has something to do with the injury report coach Mike Tomlin revealed at his news conference yesterday. It also has something to do with the quality of coaching coming from Tomlin and his staff, which was revealed Sunday against the Eagles.

On the injury front, it was bad enough that nose tackle Casey Hampton, one of the team's best defensive players, was pronounced out for the game against the Baltimore Ravens Monday. That was expected. What wasn't expected, and what truly does not bode well for the team, is the addition of running back Willie Parker to the list of players, which also includes defensive end Brett Keisel, that will not play against the Ravens.

The Steelers have a highly competent replacement for Hampton in Chris Hoke, a seven-year veteran who allowed little or no fallout at nose tackle in 2004 when he started the final 10 games of a 15-1 season. What is noteworthy about Hampton's absence is that two-thirds of the starting defensive line is out against an opponent that has thrived running the ball. The Ravens have rushed 90 times in two games -- which is one more time than the Steelers have in three games -- and dominated the opposition in doing so.

The replacement for Parker, the second-leading rusher in the AFC even after being held to 20 yards by the Eagles, is rookie Rashard Mendenhall, a player of immense potential but one who has failed to gain the coaching staff's confidence, as evidenced by the fact he had no rushing attempts in the past two games.

Among players the Steelers could least afford to lose, Parker would rank in the top five. That's not just because he is so talented, but also because his replacement is so questionable. Mendenhall, whose fumbling in the exhibition season caused the coaching staff to lose confidence in him, has gained 28 yards on 10 attempts this season. He must soften a Baltimore defense that historically has been excellent and, based on their two games this season, remains very much that way.

Not too much should be made of the Ravens' league-leading defensive statistics since they've come against the Cincinnati Bengals and Cleveland Browns. But it is impressive that they've allowed only an average of 161 yards and have held quarterbacks, one of whom was Carson Palmer, to a combined passer rating of 26.6.

Although Tomlin presented the Ravens as a opponent that will be difficult to beat, there was not a hint of concern in his tone. He provided the standard Tomlin line: "We acknowledge that injuries are part of the game. The standard of expectation won't change for us. It's an opportunity for some people to step up. We expect those guys to step up and deliver for us and we know they will."

Once, those typical words from Tomlin were reassuring. But following the Philadelphia debacle and following a distinct decline in his won-loss percentage, Tomlin's certitude is no longer so calming. He's looking more mortal these days, especially after his failure to solve the Eagles' defense, one with which he and his staff should have been intimately familiar.

He accepted blame for that. "As coaches, we could have done a better job of adjusting and putting these guys in a position to be successful."

That's the real job of coaches, and Tomlin and his staff haven't been so good at it lately. After opening his NFL career with seven wins in nine games and making the Rooneys look, as they did with Chuck Noll and Bill Cowher, like geniuses in evaluating coaches, Tomlin's career has taken a backward step. He's a mediocre 5-6 since his first nine games.

It's a big game for the Steelers Monday and a big game for Tomlin. His players must rise to the challenge and so must the coaching staff. Philadelphia presented the NFL a blueprint for victory over the Steelers. The Ravens have their own style but would be wise to incorporate some of the tactics employed by the Eagles.

Tomlin and his staff must show they can't be outsmarted by the opposing coaches again like they were against the Eagles.

Bob Smizik can be reached at bsmizik@post-gazette.com. More articles by this author
First published on September 24, 2008 at 12:00 am

yes they did never adjusted to counter blitzes on every play.......coaching was poor in the game especially play calling:drink:

Steel Pit
09-25-2008, 04:17 AM
Steel Pit, I'd like for you to point out one post or person on this board who is a "Bruce Arians groupie" or has said that he is a "genius." I believe most have said that all of the blame can't be placed on him, that despite his questionable playcalling at times the offense still had good numbers last season. I personally have said that Arians definitely deserves blame for a bad game plan on Sunday. How you get this "genius" BS out of that is beyond my comprehension.


First off I would like to remind you that the Bruce Arians debate has been going on for nearly a year now. I've always stood my ground and stuck with my opinion of the man. So I guess that I could be called an "Arians hater" I find it very humerous that some members have went from being an Arians basher in past threads, to an Arians supporter in current threads.

If you would care to read through some of those archives on Arians, you will find a few members, whom I won't name personally, that are always QUICK to defend Arians and place the blame on the offensive line. Whether you agree or not, I would refer to those members as "Bruce Arians Groupies".

In closing I would like to defend my honor and prove to you that Arians has been called a "genius" by someone on this board, as a matter of fact they have posted in this very thread and they've also questioned my integrity. I didn't say that it occurred in this particular thread but it did occur. I was involved in the argument so I distinctly remember the post. At the time, I found it to be quite humerous so I used it in this thread. The link below should assist you in comprehending. Oh by the way, you might want to give that bull an enema.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=22255&page=11

How ironic that it's post #101 Schooled!

Steel Pit
09-25-2008, 05:46 AM
Who said Bruce Arians is a genius? Look around this board and I haven't seen one person proclaiming Bruce Arians as a genius. He and the rest of the coaching staff deserves blame for last Sunday. It was a bad game.

He turned a QB into lead the league in INT's the previous year into a Pro Bowler. He had the leagues' leading rusher before the injury last year. The Steelers are 2-1 after three games in a long season.

Fire the bum Arians! He sucks! While we're at it, fire Tomlin! Cowher and Whisenhunt never put up this type of offensive abortion! Ever!

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=22255&page=11


:fingers: Post #101, SCHOOLED!

Steel Pit
09-25-2008, 06:32 AM
how much credibility does a browns fan have? pretty sad when you are quoting them. how much better have they got? with that said, I am not a Arians groupie either. But he has called some great games. People used to shit on Cowher and is conservatism at play calling as well. It is a tough job. The line did not execute well, I would have like some draw plays and more screens, even a reverse. Imagine how frustrated the coaching staff must have been, I know I was frustrated as a fan.You can not just blame one person. The whole offense is hanging there head now, and they should.


How much credibility does a Browns fan have you ask? Hell, who knows? I guess they have as much insight on their particular team as the fans of other teams have. Unless of course you have some scientific formula that proves that Browns fans don't know squat about football??? It's going to take a little bit more than you just "saying so" to convince me of anything different.

I know one thing for sure, Browns fans know a helluva lot more about the freaking Browns than I do and I would hope that they're FAR-MORE knowledgeable about the Browns than you are. If not, then I would venture to say that you're watching too many Browns games. Now that would definitely be "pretty sad".

I don't know man, I guess that you simply refuse to accept the fact that Bruce Arians has been repeatedly bashed by the fans of at least 2 organizations he has been associated with and each one has failed to retain him.

The complaints are much the same in nature with each organization i.e..terrible play calling in crucial situations, lack of know how to make in-game adjustments, tailoring a game plan to showcase the strengths of his personnel as well as protecting the weaknesses of his personnel.

Oh well, you have your opinion and that's fine. I just don't understand how you can attempt to refute what the Browns fans said about Arians in 2003. There was obviously a problem there, when an offensive coordinator, as voted by the fans, receives twice as many "goat horn votes" as anyone else within the organization, that speaks volumes to me.

As I've said in another thread, this Bruce Arians debate will be resolved at seasons end. I wish that it would come sooner but I don't see it happening, although, Ken Anderson would probably do a much better job. If the Steelers elect to release Arians at seasons end, and I fully believe that they will, then I will claim victory in this debate and leave the nay sayers to bash the Steelers front office.

HometownGal
09-25-2008, 07:26 AM
I could very easily reply to your posts directed to both XT and Edman, but I think it's more appropo if they do it - you are in for the "schooling" of your life! :laughing::laughing:

If you want to be an Arians hater, that's your perogative, but please don't use that blind hatred against other members here, k? Here is a copy of our board COC. Read it, learn it and live it while posting here. Thanks.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=354

X-Terminator
09-25-2008, 08:40 AM
First off I would like to remind you that the Bruce Arians debate has been going on for nearly a year now. I've always stood my ground and stuck with my opinion of the man. So I guess that I could be called an "Arians hater" I find it very humerous that some members have went from being an Arians basher in past threads, to an Arians supporter in current threads.

If you would care to read through some of those archives on Arians, you will find a few members, whom I won't name personally, that are always QUICK to defend Arians and place the blame on the offensive line. Whether you agree or not, I would refer to those members as "Bruce Arians Groupies".

In closing I would like to defend my honor and prove to you that Arians has been called a "genius" by someone on this board, as a matter of fact they have posted in this very thread and they've also questioned my integrity. I didn't say that it occurred in this particular thread but it did occur. I was involved in the argument so I distinctly remember the post. At the time, I found it to be quite humerous so I used it in this thread. The link below should assist you in comprehending. Oh by the way, you might want to give that bull an enema.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=22255&page=11

How ironic that it's post #101 Schooled!

Sorry Steel Pit, but you're going to have to do better than that. You obviously cannot detect sarcasm when you read it. Edman was NOT saying that Arians is a genius, he was sarcastically pointing out the IRONY of so many posters in that particular thread who had done nothing but bash Arians all of a sudden complimenting him for calling a decent game. It's yet another argument for Preacher's calling for a sarcasm smiley, so that those who can't comprehend it when they read it will be able to.

I do not agree that those people who defend Arians and blame it entirely the OL are "Bruce Arians groupies." They simply don't think all of the blame should be placed on him, which many fans such as you are wont to do. It's no different than those who blamed all of the OL's problems last season on Sean Mahan. I don't think all of the blame should be placed on Arians either; however I will definitely point out when he doesn't do a good job, such as last Sunday. The OL also deserves a large portion of the blame for the giant ostrich egg they laid in that game. You see, I like to look at the big picture and consider everything that goes on in a game, unlike other fans who are single-minded and are always looking for a scapegoat. I don't agree with that mentality, and I never will.

I'll give you credit, though - at least you have been consistent and haven't wavered in your opinion, even though I don't 100% agree.

Steel Pit
09-25-2008, 09:17 AM
I could very easily reply to your posts directed to both XT and Edman, but I think it's more appropo if they do it - you are in for the "schooling" of your life! :laughing::laughing:

If you want to be an Arians hater, that's your perogative, but please don't use that blind hatred against other members here, k? Here is a copy of our board COC. Read it, learn it and live it while posting here. Thanks.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=354


Yes Gal, I think you're right, let those guys defend themselves, it would me MUCH more to me that way.

The schooling of my life? :popcorn: Bring it on!

Blind hatred???? BS I don't know what you've read that indicates blind hatred on my part. Sure, I hate Arians but I've yet to see him posting in here.

Read it, learn it and live it while posting here, fine. Do the same rules apply to everyone else? Or just those of us who differ from your opinions? I've seen members personally insult other members in a variety of clever ways and many of them get away with it.

As I've said before, if the rules only apply to those of us who have "differing Steelers opinions" then those of the moderators, then ban me. I'm tired of seeing the moderators poking their nose in a debate that doesn't involve them and threaten to ban the member whose opinion on a Steelers topic differs from their personal opinion.

I enjoy the site, I've learned some things in here but, I don't need it to survive. If I've violated any rules, as you've indicated, then they were minor infractions in comparison to what I've read by other members.

That's my take, if it will make you feel powerful, go ahead and ban me. I'll be just fine.

Steel Pit
09-25-2008, 09:26 AM
Sorry Steel Pit, but you're going to have to do better than that. You obviously cannot detect sarcasm when you read it. Edman was NOT saying that Arians is a genius, he was sarcastically pointing out the IRONY of so many posters in that particular thread who had done nothing but bash Arians all of a sudden complimenting him for calling a decent game. It's yet another argument for Preacher's calling for a sarcasm smiley, so that those who can't comprehend it when they read it will be able to.

I do not agree that those people who defend Arians and blame it entirely the OL are "Bruce Arians groupies." They simply don't think all of the blame should be placed on him, which many fans such as you are wont to do. It's no different than those who blamed all of the OL's problems last season on Sean Mahan. I don't think all of the blame should be placed on Arians either; however I will definitely point out when he doesn't do a good job, such as last Sunday. The OL also deserves a large portion of the blame for the giant ostrich egg they laid in that game. You see, I like to look at the big picture and consider everything that goes on in a game, unlike other fans who are single-minded and are always looking for a scapegoat. I don't agree with that mentality, and I never will.

I'll give you credit, though - at least you have been consistent and haven't wavered in your opinion, even though I don't 100% agree.


Good post X. I'll just make this point, if Roethlisberger is sacked anywhere near as much as he was last season, then someone's going to be held accountable at seasons end. You may define it as a "scapegoat", which is fine, I'm saying that Arians will be held accountable, as he should have been at the end of last season. I mean what other choice does the front office have? They sure as heck won't cut the majority of the offensive linemen, they have too much invested in those guys while having very little invested in Arians.

HometownGal
09-25-2008, 10:07 AM
Yes Gal, I think you're right, let those guys defend themselves, it would me MUCH more to me that way.

The schooling of my life? :popcorn: Bring it on!

Blind hatred???? BS I don't know what you've read that indicates blind hatred on my part. Sure, I hate Arians but I've yet to see him posting in here.

Read it, learn it and live it while posting here, fine. Do the same rules apply to everyone else? Or just those of us who differ from your opinions? I've seen members personally insult other members in a variety of clever ways and many of them get away with it.

As I've said before, if the rules only apply to those of us who have "differing Steelers opinions" then those of the moderators, then ban me. I'm tired of seeing the moderators poking their nose in a debate that doesn't involve them and threaten to ban the member whose opinion on a Steelers topic differs from their personal opinion.

I enjoy the site, I've learned some things in here but, I don't need it to survive. If I've violated any rules, as you've indicated, then they were minor infractions in comparison to what I've read by other members.

That's my take, if it will make you feel powerful, go ahead and ban me. I'll be just fine.

Repeatedly calling out the Mods on total bullshit and flame-baiting other members aren't minor infractions, pal. Gary and I are extremely fair and we've never asked anyone to agree with our opinions. All we ask is that members' opinions are respectful (even ours, as we are REGULAR members before we are Mods) when debating a topic, which you seem incapable of doing. Normally, I don't like to "publish" bans on the open board, but you decided to unjustifiably call me out once again so turn about is fair play.

I'm not going to ban you permanently, but I do feel you can benefit from a 30 day vacation. Hopefully you'll take this time and get your extremely sour attitude under control.