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SunshineMan21
09-26-2008, 07:54 PM
Recently there's a lot of "fire Tomlin" hyperbole, because we lost an (admittedly ugly) game.

I find this hard to understand--possibly we're just spoiled as Steelers fans, having such infrequent coaching changes, but it seems like people often overlook Tomlin's accomplishments, and dwell on the occasional imperfection. Here are a few points in defense of Mike Tomlin:

1. The Steelers, in Cowher's last year, were a train wreck. For as talented a team as we were in the previous years, to finish 8-8 was unacceptable. The defense was strong, with occasional weaknesses in the passing game--the real problem was that Roethlisberger had been in the motorcycle accident and was terrible. That, combined with a poor offensive line, led to a horrifically inconsistant offense(go look up the stats from the Raiders game that year) that often ended up scoring for both teams.

2. Tomlin inherited this talented, disorganized team. As far as I can tell/remember (someone let me know if I'm missing someone), the Steelers didn't gain a single new starter between Cowher's departure and Tomlin's ascension. In fact, players such as Alan Faneca, Marvel Smith, Casey Hampton, and James Farrior all got older. Yet the Steelers finished 10-6 last year despite Willie Parker, Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Marvel Smith, Aaron Smith, Casey Hampton, Deshea Townsend, and Troy Polamalu all missing time.

3. The secondary (Tomlin's specialty) has improved markedly since Tomlin was hired--both Deshea Townsend and Ike Taylor had career years last year, and Bryant McFadden is playing well so far. The only guy who's been a disappointment is Anthony Smith, and it seems Tomlin is pretty much done with him.

4. Here are some of Tomlin's personnel decisions (sometimes distinguishable from the FO):
~Giving James Harrison a starting role
~Using Najeh Davenport
~Drafting Woodley and Timmons, as well as William Gay
~Acquiring Keyaron Fox and Donovon Woods--looks like a good idea so far.
~on the negative side, he also recommended Mahan.


The jury is still out on Tomlin, but he's made enough good decisions that he deserves a little more patience than it seems like he's gotten.

Godfather
09-26-2008, 07:57 PM
I agree...I think this was a great hire.

X-Terminator
09-26-2008, 08:00 PM
Patience? HA! Patience is only a virtue outside of Steeler Nation.

Why should you or anyone else be surprised that Mike Tomlin has coached just his 20th game in the NFL, having won 12 of those games, and there are already calls for him to be fired? You did get one thing right though - Steelers fans most definitely are spoiled. Rotten. Where else would their "perfection or the pine" (or out the door) mentality come from?

steelwall
09-26-2008, 08:04 PM
I haven't seen much fire Tomlin stuff being posted. But if it has.....for the love of God give the man a chance people. Not like Bill didnt have a bad game or 2.

Edman
09-26-2008, 08:09 PM
Cowher followed up his surprising 11-5 season in 1992 with a disappointing 9-7 record in 1993, with devastating blowout losses to Denver and St. Louis among those losses. Let's not forget the Metcalf game that year either.

I wonder if Steeler fans were losing their patience with Cowher then. Mike Tomlin deserves the same amount of patience. But it won't be given to him. Check out this genius thread from the Scout.com Steeler Board after the Philly loss.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68&f=1897&t=3045126

Steelerfreak58
09-26-2008, 08:25 PM
I haven't seen much on firing Tomlin, now possibly firing Arians at the end of the season if he continues pummeling the crap out of Big Ben that is another story.

X-Terminator
09-26-2008, 08:32 PM
Cowher followed up his surprising 11-5 season in 1992 with a disappointing 9-7 record in 1993, with devastating blowout losses to Denver and St. Louis among those losses. Let's not forget the Metcalf game that year either.

I wonder if Steeler fans were losing their patience with Cowher then. Mike Tomlin deserves the same amount of patience. But it won't be given to him. Check out this genius thread from the Scout.com Steeler Board after the Philly loss.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68&f=1897&t=3045126

I normally don't give a crap about what people say on other boards, but I had to check it out...got through 1 page and I was ready to slit my wrists. Nothing more than validation of my earlier post.

revefsreleets
09-26-2008, 08:36 PM
It's always the same: The players win and the coaches lose. It's ridiculous, but what can you do about it? Fans are fans and knee-jerk reactions are part of human nature...

fansince'76
09-26-2008, 08:44 PM
Cowher followed up his surprising 11-5 season in 1992 with a disappointing 9-7 record in 1993, with devastating blowout losses to Denver and St. Louis among those losses. Let's not forget the Metcalf game that year either.

I wonder if Steeler fans were losing their patience with Cowher then. Mike Tomlin deserves the same amount of patience. But it won't be given to him.

You kidding? A very sizable chunk of the fans were calling for Cowher's head around 1998 or so and it didn't stop until he finally won the SB in '05. The Rooneys have patience, the fans in general are another matter.

MasterOfPuppets
09-26-2008, 09:14 PM
1 year is way to soon to judge a rookie....coach or player.( notice i said rookie.....mahan and hartwig were not rookies)

MasterOfPuppets
09-26-2008, 09:16 PM
You kidding? A very sizable chunk of the fans were calling for Cowher's head around 1998 or so and it didn't stop until he finally won the SB in '05. The Rooneys have patience, the fans in general are another matter.i think a lot of the cowher bashing, stemmed from his reluctance to bring in a REAL quarterback.

Galax Steeler
09-27-2008, 05:12 AM
There is no reason to be calling for the firing of Tomlin I believe he will be a great coach in the nfl.

steelpride12
09-27-2008, 12:16 PM
There was only one thread about firing Tomlin its not a big deal.

missedgehead
09-27-2008, 05:31 PM
It is my experience that the front office has more patience than the fans do. JMO

HometownGal
09-27-2008, 08:02 PM
I haven't seen much on firing Tomlin, now possibly firing Arians at the end of the season if he continues pummeling the crap out of Big Ben that is another story.

Why not just get rid of Ben too? That way, we won't have to worry about a $100 million QB getting the shit knocked out of him and suffering a career ending injury. :banging:

An improved OL is a MUST in the draft and signing a proven C and possibly other OL'men is paramount to not only the O's successes in the future, but to Ben's health and career. I've always believed that no matter who the QB is, a solid OL is vital to his success.

possibly we're just spoiled as Steelers fans

I think the word is definitely.

Northside Jonny
09-28-2008, 03:01 AM
I hope the owvnership will be patient with tomlin he is a very good head coach. I hope this will be arians last season though.

Steeldude
09-28-2008, 08:02 AM
I hope the owvnership will be patient with tomlin he is a very good head coach.

that still remains to be seen.

Big D
09-28-2008, 05:43 PM
yeah lets fire tomlin. Maybe we can replace him with marvin lewis.. or maybe romeo crennell will be available.

Stlrs4Life
09-28-2008, 05:54 PM
I haven't seen much fire Tomlin stuff being posted. But if it has.....for the love of God give the man a chance people. Not like Bill didnt have a bad game or 2.


Same here, I haven't seen it or heared it. Now Bruce Arians is a different story.

Hines0wnz
09-28-2008, 06:04 PM
I've not heard a word of this and if true, its just plain ridiculous. This isnt the Raiders, Redskins or the Cowboys and I remember it took Cowher a few years to reach his first Super Bowl. The Rooneys have quite the good track record of hiring good HCs so I have no doubt in Tomlin and his abilities.

If you are one who believes Tomlin should be canned then, in my opinion, you obviously arent a Steeler fan because that is not how it works for this organization. The Steelers win with true talent, not $$$ and that takes a little time. From my count, the Steelers are traditionally a pretty good team. :wink:

tyler289
09-28-2008, 06:21 PM
The team seems to like Tomlin and have played pretty well under him. Troy looks better than ever and both Woodley and Timmons look like keepers.

Thought it was a good hire at the time and I still like it.

lilyoder6
09-28-2008, 06:57 PM
at first i was like wtf?? but i have gotten to like tomlin over the days.. he is a good coach who will(hopefully) have a long tenure here

steelpride12
09-28-2008, 07:29 PM
at first i was like wtf?? but i have gotten to like tomlin over the days.. he is a good coach who will(hopefully) have a long tenure here

No body was confident when Tomlin was picked as head coach. Of course overtime he has proven himself to this franchise so far and am damn glad to have him as the coach of the best franchise out there! :tt03:

steelwall
09-28-2008, 07:36 PM
The man knows football, and he's smart. All those that laid the blame of last weeks embarrassment on him are wrong. Not saying he couldnt have done more. Like put his foot up Arians a$$ for not calling a freaking screen or 2, but even Arians doesnt deserve all the blame.

Seemed to me the o-line gave up after the 5th sack.

hizmi
09-28-2008, 09:29 PM
I think it will take 3 consecutive losing seasons before the Rooneys even consider firing him

stillers4me
09-28-2008, 09:33 PM
Not happy with Tomlin?

Looks like Marvin Lewis and Romeo Crennel will soon be available. :chuckle:

Dino 6 Rings
09-28-2008, 09:33 PM
I think it will take 3 consecutive losing seasons before the Rooneys even consider firing him

Technically...the Steelers haven't had 3 consecutive seasons since 1969 - 1971. Those would be Chuck Noll's first 3 seasons.

Thank GOD they didn't fire Noll.

Steelman16
09-28-2008, 09:33 PM
Not happy with Tomlin?

Looks like Marvin Lewis and Romeo Crennel will soon be available. :chuckle:

:toofunny: :toofunny:

Dino 6 Rings
09-28-2008, 09:38 PM
Not happy with Tomlin?

Looks like Marvin Lewis and Romeo Crennel will soon be available. :chuckle:

I need the Bengals to keep Lewis for one more week, because I'm considering taking the Cowboys next week in my suicide pool and would hate to see the Bengals actually have a new coach take over prior to that game that could possibly inspire them to play half way good football.

Yep, lets let the Boys thump a mud hole in them, me survive another week and then fire Lewis.

OX1947
09-29-2008, 01:42 PM
Cowher lost I don't know how many of his starters between 1997 thru 2000. Carnell Lake, Chad Brown, Rod Woodson, etc, The Steelers were losing so many guys I am suprised they didnt go 2-14 or 3-13 in those years. It wasnt until the new stadium was built where the Steelers finally were able to be competetive with they're free agents.

Tomlin will have to show his stuff though. Cowher never had a bad offensive line his entire 15 years in Pittsburgh. Once Cowher got a true QB, he won a Super Bowl. Give Bill Cowher Big Ben or Tom Brady or Manning and see how many rings he would have won. Its a combination of so many things and you need some luck. However, in Tomlin's situation, he will need to adjust the offense to combat pressure. Which means he will need to tell Bug Ben that he needs to know when the blitz will come and audible or adjust the play at the line to confuse the defense. Thats what the great QBs do. And what the great coaches do with help their players from 1 thru 53.

fansince'76
09-29-2008, 01:47 PM
Cowher never had a bad offensive line his entire 15 years in Pittsburgh.

2006....? Don't believe the OL fell apart all of a sudden when Tomlin took the job.

steelreserve
09-29-2008, 01:51 PM
Why would we be talking about firing him? We had ONE bad game, and we're still in good position to make a run at the division title be a Super Bowl contender. And if you ask me, we've been pretty smart by addressing LB and RB in the last two drafts -- positions where we were already good but had obvious holes that needed patching. In his one season here, we ended up in the playoffs and had a decent shot right until the last fricking series. Keep up the good work, I say.

Edman
09-29-2008, 01:57 PM
Cowher's last season in Pittsburgh was when the Offensive Line problem reared it's ugly head. Russ Grimm was part of the problem as well.

Tomlin is still stuck with Cowher's O-Line and a few smelly remnants from that 2006 8-8 team. He's a hell of a coach if he lead this bunch to a division title last year. Tomlin didn't inherit a super bowl winning team. He inherited an underachieving 8-8 team that got shutout twice, lost to the 2-14 Raiders, lost to a division rival by a combined score of 58-7, and had a QB the led the league in interceptions.

But no, let's fire him. I mean, all he did was have a winning season and brought our QB to the next level. We're 2-1 and on a decent pace for a winning season,

The Special Teams (We all know them) have gotten better, so there's hope that the O-Line will get better. Remember the 2002-03 Steelers secondary? I thought that would never be fixed.

LVSteelersfan
09-29-2008, 03:14 PM
The sky is falling. The sky is falling. Give the man a break. I don't like the way that game played out any better than anyone else. The game tonight will tell us if they learned their lesson because the hounds will be on the attack. If they fail as miserably and Ben doesn't get rid of the ball quickly, THEN it is the coaches AND Ben's fault. He has some work to do reading blitzes.

MasterOfPuppets
09-29-2008, 05:12 PM
2006....? Don't believe the OL fell apart all of a sudden when Tomlin took the job.thats absolutely correct !!! it's actually cowher who let the line deteriorate, to the P.O.S. we have today. he new hardings was on his way out.....and he let everybody believe chucky was our next great center.

BurghZ0n3
09-29-2008, 06:02 PM
Would we rather be like the REDSKINS that has a new coach almost every season??? :noidea: :tt::tt02::tt03::tt:

Elvis
09-29-2008, 06:05 PM
Would we rather be like the REDSKINS that has a new coach almost every season??? :noidea: :tt::tt02::tt03::tt:
No Burgh I wouldnt rather us be like anyone other than the Steelers team that I have came to love over the past 30 years...
:tt02:

Elvis
09-29-2008, 06:09 PM
:coffee: That being said, I dont agree with Tomlin and our coaches at times. The Eagles game should have seen Ben throwing shorter routes and using some screen passes and maybe even using the guy that is supposed to be our 3rd down specialist in Melwede Moore a little bit. The guy hasnt even had a chance to do anything in this offense on 3rd downs so far. The guy made plays while at Minnesota, and the Steelers havent even given him a single chance so far in pittsburgh.

steelpride12
09-29-2008, 06:32 PM
:coffee: That being said, I dont agree with Tomlin and our coaches at times. The Eagles game should have seen Ben throwing shorter routes and using some screen passes and maybe even using the guy that is supposed to be our 3rd down specialist in Melwede Moore a little bit. The guy hasnt even had a chance to do anything in this offense on 3rd downs so far. The guy made plays while at Minnesota, and the Steelers havent even given him a single chance so far in pittsburgh.

Everyone had a part in the blame of the loss. Yes the OL was crazy terrible, but at the same time Yes Ben should have gotten rid of the ball sooner, sure the calls should have been adjusted to short slant plays and draws, Penalties by everyone didn't help either, and with all those mistakes you can't easily ask for a win and being more discipline and stepping up and ADJUSTING will help us win.:tt03:

OX1947
09-29-2008, 06:53 PM
2006....? Don't believe the OL fell apart all of a sudden when Tomlin took the job.

Combination of Ben face planting into a windshield and our RT sucking really bad in training camp for some reason after starting the Super Bowl year. I do not remember seeing guys waltzing in like nothing that year though. These last two years have been disgusting. The basic fundamentals are lost when a line is that weak.

The fact that the steelers didnt draft any o line early is also a factor. Marvel's back might be finished. And Colon is horrible. Kemo just needs to learn how to pass block and he will be a pro bowler. Hartwig and simmons are very average.

revefsreleets
09-29-2008, 07:47 PM
Cowher had a pretty bad OL in 1999. That was the year I think they had to move Bruener to play tackle at times. They were 6-10 and that OL SUCKED. The line the next year was not much better, but by 2001 they went 13-3 (with a LOT of the same lineman from the year before).

fansince'76
09-29-2008, 07:50 PM
I do not remember seeing guys waltzing in like nothing that year though.

Nine sacks by the Ratbirds in one game, 14 sacks over both games. All on Ben? Nope.

tony hipchest
09-29-2008, 08:06 PM
in defense of tomlin, chris mortensen reported he had a nice little talk with bruce arians last monday morning.

sounded like a shape up or ship out convo. take it for what its worth. its from ESPCNN .

Petesburgh66
09-30-2008, 02:24 AM
The OL was horrible before Tomlin came in. The front office has failed to address this issue for a while. So how the heck can you blame Tomlin for this?

steelwall
09-30-2008, 03:33 AM
Because Tomlin is the HC, if he can't put a foot up the A hole, or find a solution then it is totally on him.

Personally I like Tomlin as a HC but his staff needs a swift kick in the arse.

steeltheone
09-30-2008, 07:40 AM
We had a cup cake schedule last year.......We should have been 10 and 6 or better

Blitzburgh_Fever
09-30-2008, 08:20 AM
Tomlin's learning, but he's come a long ways.

Last year we had huge issues going into the season with our LBing corp. Now we have arguably the strongest pair of OLB, three MLB that would be starters for any 3-4 or 4-3, and a backup in Keyaron Fox that could probably start on half the teams. Not bad for a guy given one draft class (yes, he got lucky on Harrison, but Timmons and Woodley panned out so well losing Clark Haggans wasn't a problem and many call for Foote to be demoted).

This year we got a HB that looked good, before getting injured. Sweed who many predicted would be the only receiver to go in the first round before his injury, a former Heismann-worthy QB, and another bolster to our LB corps.

Oh, and Russell and Stapleton look like pretty good UDFA pickups.

His only questionable coaching decisions so far have been challenges, and this year he's been pretty on. I agree with the call to go for a touchdown in the Eagles game after hearing his reasoning.

Mike Tomlin is a solid coach who, instead of relying on his talented team his first year, played to their strengths and let Ben help design the playbook. We have a tenacious no-huddle offense because Tomlin isn't afraid to spread some responsibility. I'm pretty sure St. Louis, Oakland, Baltimore, and Miami would kill to have Tomlin after seeing how good he is. That's only mentioning teams who need coaches from last year or this year. Carolina, Indianapolis, San Francisco, etc that are potentially in the market for a new coach in ~2 years are hoping they don't get slammed with a bad coach.

revefsreleets
09-30-2008, 09:53 AM
The Steelers definitely made some adjustments at halftime last night, too...