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GBMelBlount
10-23-2008, 02:38 PM
These were some of the goals of the American Communist Party as stated on record on the floor of congress in 1963. Have any of these things occured in the last 45 years?

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. [B]Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Vis
10-23-2008, 03:01 PM
In highlighting 40 you mean McCain, right

xfl2001fan
10-23-2008, 03:04 PM
You could have bold faced many more of those items.

I can see the beginnings of #16, #29, #32, #38 and #41 and don't doubt that #s 36 and 37 are quietly happening behind the scenes.

Very sad.

MACH1
10-23-2008, 03:06 PM
#3 equals Gun Controll

xfl2001fan
10-23-2008, 03:10 PM
In highlighting 40 you mean McCain, right

That jackassery wasn't necessary.

I think that the American Culture (as a whole) has been moving right in line with #40 for quite some time.

This wasn't about any particular candidate but about the Country and the direction it's heading. Despite the fact that the Republicans have held the seat of President for (basically) the majority of the last two decades, this country has quitely moved away from our conservative roots.

You know, the ones where family was about sticking together, as were communities. Where divorces were a subject of serious discussion in a community because it just never happened...as opposed to because you're the only one in the community who hasn't been divorced...twice.

I know someone who, at the age of 50, is looking at her 4th divorce. When she was a kid, 1 divorce would have been taboo and 2 would never have happened because she wouldn't have been touched with a 10 foot pole.

Now, so what.

Vis
10-23-2008, 03:16 PM
That jackassery wasn't necessary.

I think that the American Culture (as a whole) has been moving right in line with #40 for quite some time.

This wasn't about any particular candidate but about the Country and the direction it's heading. Despite the fact that the Republicans have held the seat of President for (basically) the majority of the last two decades, this country has quitely moved away from our conservative roots.

You know, the ones where family was about sticking together, as were communities. Where divorces were a subject of serious discussion in a community because it just never happened...as opposed to because you're the only one in the community who hasn't been divorced...twice.

I know someone who, at the age of 50, is looking at her 4th divorce. When she was a kid, 1 divorce would have been taboo and 2 would never have happened because she wouldn't have been touched with a 10 foot pole.

Now, so what.

Just pointing out that one candidate is married to his only wife and the mother of children while the other left his loyal, patient, crippled wife for a bar pickup with money and bleached hair.

xfl2001fan
10-23-2008, 03:20 PM
Which has what to do with the OP?

That would be NOTHING. Which is why I "pointed out" that your jackassery wasn't necessary.

MACH1
10-23-2008, 03:20 PM
In highlighting 40 you mean McCain, right

Actually it started with Clinton.

xfl2001fan
10-23-2008, 03:27 PM
JFK much?

Vis
10-23-2008, 03:28 PM
Let's review Newt's story, shall we?

Preacher
10-23-2008, 03:36 PM
Let's review Newt's story, shall we?

Amazingly ignorant.

So you want to ignore the entire story by throwing stones?

Let's look at a 50+% divorce rate in the nation.

Let's look at how many of these points are coming true.

But know.. you just want to point fingers and throw stones. Quite accepting and open minded of you.

Vis
10-23-2008, 03:41 PM
Amazingly ignorant.

So you want to ignore the entire story by throwing stones?

Let's look at a 50+% divorce rate in the nation.

Let's look at how many of these points are coming true.

But know.. you just want to point fingers and throw stones. Quite accepting and open minded of you.

I'm just pointing out that the righteous right is hypocritical. And that list is referenced every four years. It's bunk and is every time it's brought up. You're old enough to know this. You playing the game every election is ignorant. (If this is the first time you've seen it used, so sorry. Read more)

I will choose which points I address on my own. I'll get to the others after I get done with all the Republicans who fit 40.

revefsreleets
10-23-2008, 04:38 PM
Hate to do this, but the FAR religious right has their own "Manifesto" as well, and I don't agree with most of it either.

These kinds of fringe groups (although the fundamentalist far right is a pretty large and powerful group) balance each other out, and thankfully keep each other in check, so the teeter-totter stays somewhere in the middle:

*the destruction of the independence of State from Church (and Church from State)
*the dismantling of all government social programs in order to place their duties into the domain of religious organizations and churches
*the reversal of the women’s rights movement, including its gains relative to reproductive choice
*the criminalization of (and the censoring of discussions concerning, artistic depictions of, or education about) any kind of consensual sexual activity that isn’t between husband and wife
*the compromising of the teaching of evolution and other scientific beliefs in public schools
*the squelching of media outlets that do not reflect conservative views
*the limiting of sex education in public schools to abstinence-only options (i.e. the withholding of practical and medically important information about safe sex)
*the imposition of sweeping so-called “decency standards,” and
*the weakening of the third branch of U.S. government--an independent judiciary.

GBMelBlount
10-23-2008, 05:13 PM
Hate to do this, but the FAR religious right has their own "Manifesto" as well, and I don't agree with most of it either.

These kinds of fringe groups (although the fundamentalist far right is a pretty large and powerful group) balance each other out, and thankfully keep each other in check, so the teeter-totter stays somewhere in the middle:


I disagree Revs. The "middle", and this country as a whole has moved largely left and arguably towards socialism in the last 50 years imo.

Leftoverhard
10-23-2008, 05:20 PM
I'd just like to point out that this list was taken from a book written by a Mormon guy who wrote The Naked Communist, The Real Story Of Christmas, The Naked Capitalist and The 5,000 year leap. The book was written back in the early 60's and I wonder where Cleon Skousen got this list? Did he make it up? I'm trying to find out but all I can find is a few crackpot websites trying to link Democrats to this goofy list.
The current United States Communist party is nothing like that list.

xfl2001fan
10-24-2008, 07:05 AM
I'd just like to point out that this list was taken from a book written by a Mormon guy who wrote The Naked Communist, The Real Story Of Christmas, The Naked Capitalist and The 5,000 year leap. The book was written back in the early 60's and I wonder where Cleon Skousen got this list? Did he make it up? I'm trying to find out but all I can find is a few crackpot websites trying to link Democrats to this goofy list.
The current United States Communist party is nothing like that list.

Having not done much research on what the United States Communist Party's current platform, I'll (for now) accept your viewpoint on where they stand. However, it's very difficult to ignore the fact that many of the points on that list have (in fact) come to light.

What was the divorce rate in the 60's? What is it today?

What about how we (as a collective culture) view homesexuality today compared to the 60's?

40 years ago, who would have had the gall to talk about all the women they'd slept with before the age of 25? Today, it's boasted proudly all over the world in the American music we listen to in night clubs, on CD on the radio etc...

Even if we we agree to disagree on a left-slanting media, those three points in particular are irrefutable. We have (collectively as a culture) moved towards that direction in today's world.

revefsreleets
10-24-2008, 08:34 AM
I disagree Revs. The "middle", and this country as a whole has moved largely left and arguably towards socialism in the last 50 years imo.

I completely disagree. When cabinet meetings are being opened with prayer, and our President posts "how too's" for religious organizations to get government grant money on the White House website, and there is real and concerted concern that Creationism could be taught in the classroom as a reasonable alternative Evolution, I'd say we've moved far to the right.

xfl2001fan
10-24-2008, 10:27 AM
So based on what both GB and Revs is talking about, it would appear that the culture is moving towards an "acceptance" attitude.

Not so much that we accept everything tossed at us, but that we should accept other avenues of thought in our lives.

For extremists, it's an extremely hard pill to swallow.

Asking a conservative to accept divorce, homosexuality, etc.. is rough.

Asking a liberal to accept creationism (amongst other issues) is just as tough.

Ultimately, it seems like "the middle" is becoming a smaller line drawn in the sand.

Whether we're talking politics (as seen on this board) or economics (a dwindling middle class)...it seems average is a much harder status to reach. It's looking like it's feast or famine, regardless of subject.

There are still a large number, but the way each of these individual battles plays out forces the majority to move further away from the middle.

revefsreleets
10-24-2008, 12:17 PM
Again, I disagree...I think the center is growing BECAUSE there are strong pulls from the fringy weirdos out at the far end of both right and left. It's a LOT easier for them to disseminate their misinformation, and it's also a sign of the dumbing down of our culture that people are more apt to accept what is forcefed to them rather than think for themselves.

It's an ignorant and confused growing center...

xfl2001fan
10-24-2008, 01:12 PM
I see the point, but the unthinking seem pulled into a leftist/rightist direction and away from their nominal thinking because they refuse to be a "free thinker" such as yourself.

It's easier to be swayed by either socialistic views (typically left oriented) or religious views (typically right winged) if you choose to not think things through thoroughly. This keeps people from being in the center.

But all I've really got to go on is my personal experience in my personal "environment" and have (lately) been restricted by personal limitations (mostly because of my ever-growing family).

It could very well be nothing more than that in Columbus OH, people are traveling further from center.

These last few months, I think I've spent more time away from standard news sources (such as CBS, Fox, CNN, etc...) because I am too cynical to believe 90% of what they report.

Hines0wnz
10-26-2008, 11:59 AM
I will choose which points I address on my own. I'll get to the others after I get done with all the Republicans who fit 40.

Mmmmhmmm... :popcorn:

Preacher
10-26-2008, 03:53 PM
I'm just pointing out that the righteous right is hypocritical. And that list is referenced every four years. It's bunk and is every time it's brought up. You're old enough to know this. You playing the game every election is ignorant. (If this is the first time you've seen it used, so sorry. Read more)

I will choose which points I address on my own. I'll get to the others after I get done with all the Republicans who fit 40.

Righteous right? Who?

Come on. Let's try another attempt... or is there something wrong with hoping the man holding the highest office in the land has a code of morality... OH NO. NOT THAT WORD!

That doesn't mean they are perfect. It means they try to be the most moral possible at any time.

Crushzilla
10-26-2008, 06:49 PM
I see McCarthy is alive and well.

Painful...

GBMelBlount
10-26-2008, 06:53 PM
I see McCarthy is alive and well.

Painful...

huh? :noidea:

revefsreleets
10-26-2008, 06:59 PM
He's saying that this is another witch hunt. And he's right. At least so far...

We aren't going to the Commies just yet...Hell, we aren't even sliding left..........yet.........YET!

But Obama may take us there. Clinton was a moderate Democrat. Obama is a radically liberal Democrat. And Clinton had some checks and balances ala GOP house and senate.

GBMelBlount
10-26-2008, 07:16 PM
He's saying that this is another witch hunt. And he's right. At least so far...

We aren't going to the Commies just yet...Hell, we aren't even sliding left..........yet.........YET!

But Obama may take us there. Clinton was a moderate Democrat. Obama is a radically liberal Democrat. And Clinton had some checks and balances ala GOP house and senate.

How is this a witchhunt? Who is being wrongly accused and of what? That is what I don't understand. It makes no sense at all to me and that is why I wanted crush to clarify his statement.

steveironcity
10-26-2008, 07:23 PM
I cant wait till the election is over, because these same old fear tactics will cease until for at least a little while. Same old fear tactics every time, I cant believe people still fall for them

GBMelBlount
10-26-2008, 07:25 PM
I cant wait till the election is over, because these same old fear tactics will cease until for at least a little while. Same old fear tactics every time, I cant believe people still fall for them

what fear tactics?

revefsreleets
10-26-2008, 08:09 PM
Obama is NOT a socialist.

He just embraces some socialist views...

GBMelBlount
10-26-2008, 08:47 PM
Obama is NOT a socialist.

He just embraces some socialist views...

I missed what you were responding to.

So let's say that he is not communist or a socialist. Being that he is obviously into massive taxing and wealth redistribution, government solutions over free markets, demonizing capitalism and big business, and suggesting the middle class is exploited and fleeced, how would you categorize him? "liberal?"

Dino 6 Rings
10-26-2008, 08:55 PM
There is a house in my neighborhood with a sign on the front lawn. Not a "vote for___" sign either.

It says

"Thieves, Communists and Liberals want my Gun."

When it all hits the fan, I'm going to that dude's house with my ramon noodles, gas mask and ammunition.

Preacher
10-26-2008, 10:35 PM
Obama is NOT a socialist.

He just embraces some socialist views...

Your right.. he is an adherent to liberation theology, which is a hybrid of marxism.

steelwall
10-26-2008, 11:22 PM
We do have the constitutional right to form militias. If communism ever came a reality here. Government get ready, alot of folks ain't havin it.

MACH1
10-26-2008, 11:25 PM
We do have the constitutional right to form militias. If communism ever came a reality here. Government get ready, alot of folks ain't havin it.

Not if obama gets his way. You'll be lucky to own a rubber band gun.

steelwall
10-26-2008, 11:29 PM
Not if obama gets his way. You'll be lucky to own a rubber band gun.

True, but tracing down every gun in the US is immpossible, he'll never disarm all Americans. And as long as there's true patriots (especially those with military experiance) dont count militias out of the equation.

Vis
10-27-2008, 08:53 AM
We do have the constitutional right to form militias. If communism ever came a reality here. Government get ready, alot of folks ain't havin it.

Huh? Well regulated militia.

lamberts-lost-tooth
10-27-2008, 09:23 AM
Obama is NOT a socialist.

He just embraces some socialist views...

I deal with people who are NOT thieves, everyday.

They just embrace stealing some things.