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The_WARDen
10-26-2008, 06:36 PM
I know the cheerleaders have been predicting this thread...thought I'd oblige!

Steelman16
10-26-2008, 06:36 PM
I know the cheerleaders have been predicting this thread...thought I'd oblige!

That was nice of you. :wink02:

HereWeGoSteelers219
10-26-2008, 06:37 PM
Theres no excuse for Tomlin not to be prepared to have a long snapper.

Hines0wnz
10-26-2008, 06:37 PM
Isnt this a duplicate thread? :flap:

revefsreleets
10-26-2008, 06:38 PM
I think we should just sell the team and move out of Pittsburgh altogether after losing by 7 to the World Champions with a team that was devastated by injuries.

Hines0wnz
10-26-2008, 06:38 PM
Theres no excuse for Tomlin not to be prepared to have a long snapper.

Dude, all NFL teams have 1 long snapper.

One.

Uno.

Einz.

Get over it.

Crushzilla
10-26-2008, 06:39 PM
Isnt this a duplicate thread? :flap:

Haha.

Warden... why encourage them!

HereWeGoSteelers219
10-26-2008, 06:39 PM
Dude, all NFL teams have 1 long snapper.

One.

Uno.

Einz.

Get over it.

Dude, to not at least know who to have as a backup is ridiculous. Be prepared for everything. Inexcusable.

Crushzilla
10-26-2008, 06:40 PM
Dude, to not at least know who to have as a backup is ridiculous. Be prepared for everything. Inexcusable.

They were.

The guys on DVE said RIGHT after the injury that Harrison was the man.

Then he came in.

Then he did a... crappy job...

It happens. I was surprised, though, that it WAS Silverback.

MACH1
10-26-2008, 06:40 PM
Dude, to not at least know who to have as a backup is ridiculous. Be prepared for everything. Inexcusable.

They should fire Tomlin and make you the coach. :banging:

X-Terminator
10-26-2008, 06:41 PM
Dude, to not at least know who to have as a backup is ridiculous. Be prepared for everything. Inexcusable.

Dude, if you listened to the radio broadcast, they said that James Harrison is the backup long snapper. And if you're going to bash Tomlin for this, then you'd better bash every other team in the NFL, because Hines is right in that they all carry ONE - ONE - long snapper. Period.

revefsreleets
10-26-2008, 06:42 PM
Dude, to not at least know who to have as a backup is ridiculous. Be prepared for everything. Inexcusable.

Clearly THEY DID! Harrison was the back-up.

Jackass....are they supposed to carry TWO LONGSNAPPERS ON THE ROSTER?

Steelman16
10-26-2008, 06:42 PM
They were.

The guys on DVE said RIGHT after the injury that Harrison was the man.

Then he came in.

Then he did a... crappy job...

It happens. I was surprised, though, that it WAS Silverback.

Yeah, I thought for some reason that Stapleton was the backup snapper. Oh well, it happens.

We'll somehow survive the unending talk of firing everyone and their 3rd cousin, and play again next week.

revefsreleets
10-26-2008, 06:43 PM
The mental retardation that will permeate the football side of the board for the next week SICKENS ME!

X-Terminator
10-26-2008, 06:44 PM
Clearly THEY DID! Harrison was the back-up.

Jackass....are they supposed to carry TWO LONGSNAPPERS ON THE ROSTER?

That, of course, would be a waste of a roster spot that could go to...a backup DB, which I might add we are getting a little thin on.

People just don't use their friggin brains when the Steelers lose a game.

Hines0wnz
10-26-2008, 06:44 PM
The mental retardation that will permeate the football side of the board for the next week SICKENS ME!

I'll just laugh.

X-Terminator
10-26-2008, 06:45 PM
I'll just laugh.

I might just take the week off from reading this forum.

Preacher
10-26-2008, 06:52 PM
This was the exact reason I didn't want to come here... but like a moth to light....


So let's see... Either you yell, scream and act like a spoiled brat whining about how everything sucks... arians is horrible, blah blah blah...

or your a cheerleader.

Really?

The ignorance of people who cannot comprehend what LEVEL HEADED CRITIQUE means just blows me away.

People who just can't understand why other don't to see every thread turn into a this/that/the other guy completely sucks tripe which limits the ability for other posters to actually ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION of what went wrong and right.

Nope. That's a cheerleader.

So I stand by my sig... I thought about changing it. But no. I think it is rightly justified.

SanAntonio'sHomes
10-26-2008, 06:55 PM
i thought that the playcalling was prettty decent this game. We utilized the short slant routes to negate some of the pressure and i thought we did a decent job of throwing to miller down the middle. We just did not execute on a few crucial plays (3rd and 9 that Boss converted after the bad snap was the deal breaker).

X-Terminator
10-26-2008, 07:00 PM
i thought that the playcalling was prettty decent this game. We utilized the short slant routes to negate some of the pressure and i thought we did a decent job of throwing to miller down the middle. We just did not execute on a few crucial plays (3rd and 9 that Boss converted after the bad snap was the deal breaker).

I do have a problem with the playcalling on the drive after the safety and especially after the Giants' TD. That would have been a great time to break out the no-huddle, quick pass offense, but it didn't happen. Yes Ben was off, but sometimes you have to put the ball in the hands of your best playmaker, win lose or draw.

SteelersTilIDie
10-26-2008, 07:01 PM
Theres no excuse for Tomlin not to be prepared to have a long snapper.

Just a question....do you think any other NFL Team has a backup long snapper and gives them special time in practice...cause i sure don't!

SteelCityMan786
10-26-2008, 07:02 PM
Isnt this a duplicate thread? :flap:

Yes it is. This thread should be deleted.

SteelMusic
10-26-2008, 07:11 PM
Now I am not screaming fire Ariens (right now). However, I do feel that when he is under pressure the play calling has been questionable. Even Barber, Collinsworth and Bettis were just talking about the offensive play calling. It seemed as if he wanted to get the whole 90 yards at once at the end of the game. I don't know but I think we had the win bagged if the momentum wouldn't have shifted after the bad snap./

Dino 6 Rings
10-26-2008, 07:12 PM
This was the exact reason I didn't want to come here... but like a moth to light....


So let's see... Either you yell, scream and act like a spoiled brat whining about how everything sucks... arians is horrible, blah blah blah...

or your a cheerleader.

Really?

The ignorance of people who cannot comprehend what LEVEL HEADED CRITIQUE means just blows me away.

People who just can't understand why other don't to see every thread turn into a this/that/the other guy completely sucks tripe which limits the ability for other posters to actually ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION of what went wrong and right.

Nope. That's a cheerleader.

So I stand by my sig... I thought about changing it. But no. I think it is rightly justified.

Hey Preacher...Got that Level Headed Critique done and posted already...its My Breakdown.

steelpride12
10-26-2008, 07:19 PM
I know the cheerleaders have been predicting this thread...thought I'd oblige!

I love it! :popcorn:

SanAntonio'sHomes
10-26-2008, 07:34 PM
we played a great game defensively until the end of the game but that could be due to the momentum shift after the bad snap. Also, the penalties that cost us Washington's second touchdown were big....... if we get that score the game is over!

eafratitpm3
10-26-2008, 07:59 PM
Maybe I'm missing something here but why wouldn't you use your center as a long snapper, it looked like some of the snaps he was giving Ben in the shotgun could have made it back to the punter. The center position gets in that stance every play, to ask a beast like Harrison to long snap is rediculous.

X-Terminator
10-26-2008, 08:08 PM
Maybe I'm missing something here but why wouldn't you use your center as a long snapper, it looked like some of the snaps he was giving Ben in the shotgun could have made it back to the punter. The center position gets in that stance every play, to ask a beast like Harrison to long snap is rediculous.

I've already addressed this before, but here it goes again and maybe someone will finally understand:

NOT every player can be a long snapper. It isn't as easy as you think to snap a ball perfectly 15 yards into the punter's hands with enough velocity to allow him to get the punt off cleanly. If it was, then everyone could do it, and you wouldn't need to spend a roster spot on it.

eafratitpm3
10-26-2008, 08:20 PM
I'm not saying every player can do it but I would think the center is more comfortable in that stance than a monster OL. What's the worst thing that could happen, possibly a blocked punt, that's 2 less points we would have given up.

Steelman16
10-26-2008, 08:26 PM
I'm not saying every player can do it but I would think the center is more comfortable in that stance than a monster OL. What's the worst thing that could happen, possibly a blocked punt, that's 2 less points we would have given up.

Hey, I heard we're in the market for a new long snapper. Tryouts are tomorrow at noon, Southside facility.

:coffee:

X-Terminator
10-26-2008, 08:35 PM
I'm not saying every player can do it but I would think the center is more comfortable in that stance than a monster OL. What's the worst thing that could happen, possibly a blocked punt, that's 2 less points we would have given up.

That blocked punt could have also ended up being a TD, which would have been 4 more points they would have allowed.

Not every center can be a long snapper. Period.

DACEB
10-27-2008, 06:28 AM
I'm sure James fires a few snaps every now and then in practice. He is forced to snap in the game due to injury, adrenalin kicks in and the snap goes high. S#it happens!!

What bothered me was that it seemed that Farrior was practicing the snaps on the sideline. Did James refuse to snap again? I would expect someone else (besides our starting LBs) to feverishly be practicing the snaps on the sideline in case it came down to a field goal.

I don't think anyone is an idiot here, noone needs to be told that long-snapping is a specialty. The team wouldn't keep a guy on the roster for solely that reason if it were easy. But to deny that there was a lack of preparation for the unforeseen is idiotic.

That's what makes championship teams, being prepared for the unforeseen setback. I am extremely happy with the way this team has stepped up with the injuries we've had, but this was dissappointing to see.

X-Terminator
10-27-2008, 07:55 AM
I'm sure James fires a few snaps every now and then in practice. He is forced to snap in the game due to injury, adrenalin kicks in and the snap goes high. S#it happens!!

What bothered me was that it seemed that Farrior was practicing the snaps on the sideline. Did James refuse to snap again? I would expect someone else (besides our starting LBs) to feverishly be practicing the snaps on the sideline in case it came down to a field goal.

I don't think anyone is an idiot here, noone needs to be told that long-snapping is a specialty. The team wouldn't keep a guy on the roster for solely that reason if it were easy. But to deny that there was a lack of preparation for the unforeseen is idiotic.

That's what makes championship teams, being prepared for the unforeseen setback. I am extremely happy with the way this team has stepped up with the injuries we've had, but this was dissappointing to see.

How in the world is it "idiotic" to deny a lack of preparation??? NO OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE CARRIES MORE THAN ONE GUY AS A LONG SNAPPER! I don't know why the hell the coaches should take blame for that when no other team does it. God, Steelers fans will look for ANYTHING as a scapegoat. :banging:

DACEB
10-27-2008, 08:31 AM
How in the world is it "idiotic" to deny a lack of preparation??? NO OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE CARRIES MORE THAN ONE GUY AS A LONG SNAPPER! I don't know why the hell the coaches should take blame for that when no other team does it. God, Steelers fans will look for ANYTHING as a scapegoat. :banging:

Listen pal, you can shove your scapegoat. I've never scapegoated anything or anyone.

Your on here bashing people left and right for their opinion, what makes yours any better or more logical than theirs.

The team didn't try a field goal and got a safety because the long-snapper got hurt and the alternate was not prepared to execute. Plain and simple.

You can be happy with mediocrity, I'm not, I expect more. Maybe others on this forum also expect better.

fansince'76
10-27-2008, 08:35 AM
The team didn't try a field goal and got a safety because the long-snapper got hurt and the alternate was not prepared to execute. Plain and simple.

You can be happy with mediocrity, I'm not, I expect more. Maybe others on this forum also expect better.

Sorry, but the expectation that any Tom, Dick and Harry can step in in a pinch and long snap effectively is unrealistic. If it were so easy that anybody could do it, the Steelers (and every other team in the league) wouldn't dedicate a roster spot solely to a long snap specialist. But then again, unrealistic expectations are the norm around here.

X-Terminator
10-27-2008, 08:51 AM
Listen pal, you can shove your scapegoat. I've never scapegoated anything or anyone.

Your on here bashing people left and right for their opinion, what makes yours any better or more logical than theirs.

The team didn't try a field goal and got a safety because the long-snapper got hurt and the alternate was not prepared to execute. Plain and simple.

You can be happy with mediocrity, I'm not, I expect more. Maybe others on this forum also expect better.

Listen pal, I'm entitled to MY opinion the same as anyone else. If you don't like it, hey, there's nothing I can do about that. I speak my mind, and that's that.

I don't know how many times I mentioned yesterday that every team in the league carries just one long snapper, but yet time and time again I get "well, they should be better prepared." As if long snapping is something that is easily done. Again, if it was, then they wouldn't need to spend a roster spot on one because you could just throw anyone out there.

I expect the team to play up to their capabilities. But if they don't, I'm sure as hell not going to come on a message board and go on and on about it, because unlike many others on this board, I do not expect perfection. Sometimes shit happens, and you lose. It's not the end of the world, it's not life or death. It's a FOOTBALL GAME.

DACEB
10-27-2008, 08:54 AM
Sorry, but the expectation that any Tom, Dick and Harry can step in in a pinch and long snap effectively is unrealistic.

That's exactly why you prepare for it in practice.

If it were so easy that anybody could do it, the Steelers (and every other team in the league) wouldn't dedicate a roster spot solely to a long snap specialist.

I stated the exact same thing in my original post.

But then again, unrealistic expectations are the norm around here.

So then you were expecting a safety on the punt attempt. I don't think of it as unrealistic, I myself expected more. Like I said in my original post, I was dissappointed, I didn't call for anyones head on a platter.

DACEB
10-27-2008, 08:59 AM
Listen pal, I'm entitled to MY opinion the same as anyone else. If you don't like it, hey, there's nothing I can do about that. I speak my mind, and that's that.

You spend more time on this board tearing people's opinions down than analyzing a football game, or football period for that matter.

Some people are actually speaking thier mind about football, you should try that some time.

X-Terminator
10-27-2008, 09:05 AM
You spend more time on this board tearing people's opinions down than analyzing a football game, or football period for that matter.

Some people are actually speaking thier mind about football, you should try that some time.

Actually I do analyze the game. It's not my fault you don't read them.

So I'm not allowed to disagree with someone's opinion now?

I'm just tired of the endless negativity on this board after a loss, dude. The calls for firing Tomlin, Arians, benching Ben, etc. Fans expecting perfection when it's impossible to achieve. That's the reason for my attitude. If it were just people analyzing the games, I would not be so abrasive.

EDIT: Just re-read your initial post and several others, and I realize I was too harsh and hasty in my judgment. Sorry about that - I'm willing to man up and admit when I'm wrong.

fansince'76
10-27-2008, 09:08 AM
That's exactly why you prepare for it in practice..

I didn't realize that long snappers blowing their knees out was such a common occurrence that they'd dedicate time "adequately preparing for it."

I stated the exact same thing in my original post.

And yet you completely contradicted it with your statement above. Once again, if long snapping was such an easily acquired skill, and anybody could be "adequately trained and prepped in practice" to do a passable job at it, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE A ROSTER SPOT DEDICATED TO IT.

memphissteelergirl
10-27-2008, 09:12 AM
IMO, this game came down to a lack of execution on the offensive side and BA's questionable playcalling. That said, I give props to our defense....they kept us in it most of the game.

OK...that's all I am gonna say. Let's re-group and get ready for a tough road game against Washington next Monday.

HometownGal
10-27-2008, 09:41 AM
I'm a cheerleader and I'm damned proud of it! YAY! :cheer::cheer::cheer: (lol)

The "sky is falling" mentality around here after a loss is pathetic. I have no problem with constructive criticism of the team, coaches- whatever, but some of these threads and posts tearing down everything that moves because a person can't deal with a loss is a little much. We've been very fortunate as fans to have had as many winning seasons in the last 4 decades - how would you like to be a Lions or a Cards fan?:doh:

With all of the injuries to key players this team has suffered, we're lucky to be where we are. Psssst - we're sitting atop the AFCN at 5-2 which thus far, constitutes a "winning season". Quit yer bitchin'!

Being a Steelers fan is not a right - it's a PRIVILEGE. :tt02::tt02::tt02:

El-Gonzo Jackson
11-04-2008, 05:08 PM
Bump :chuckle:

El-Gonzo Jackson
11-04-2008, 10:08 PM
:sofunny: need a bigger spoon?

:stirthepot: What a difference a week (and a win) makes huh? :sorry:

The_WARDen
11-05-2008, 08:15 AM
it's funny how some of you all don't even know sarcasm when you see it.

:thumbsup:

El-Gonzo Jackson
11-05-2008, 09:00 AM
it's funny how some of you all don't even know sarcasm when you see it.

:thumbsup:

I know.....I bet John Kuhn knows sarcasm personally. :smile: