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Vis
10-27-2008, 03:44 PM
http://obama.senate.gov/press/070111-lugar-obama_non/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/19/AR2007011901456.html

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:s.2590.es:

http://obama.senate.gov/press/060929-congress_to_pas/

http://obama.senate.gov/press/050922-obama_amendment/

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:s.1630:

MACH1, I'll get you more after my son's football game.

Vis
10-27-2008, 03:56 PM
Let me add a big one. He beat the Clintons in the primary. That in and of itself is amazing.

MACH1
10-27-2008, 04:03 PM
I'm sure you won't like this. But....ONE

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Preacher
10-27-2008, 04:08 PM
OBAMA ??

You gotta be kidding me.

He gets no yards on first down. Gets dropped behind the LOS NUMEROUS times.

Then gets a 30 or 40 yard run to make his stats look good.





Oh what.. OBAMA. I thought this was another hate Willie P. thread.

Sorry! :chuckle:

fugawzi
10-27-2008, 04:08 PM
I disagree with people who say Obama is not qualified due to a lack of experience. There are a couple reasons why, in addition to his legislative achievements. First, there isn't really any evidence to suggest that the most experienced presidents were the best presidents or vice-versa. There's a great breakdown of past presidents, experience, and their ratings to which I will provide a link at the end of this post. Check it out if you are interested. A quick quote from the article: "But the point remains, the Presidents with a lot of experience have not been more outstanding than those with little experience."

Another thing is that Obama was indeed a "professor" of constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Those are not my words, but the words of the U of Chicago. Quote: "From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School." I'll also provide a link to factcheck.org further supporting this fact. Before people start claiming factcheck.org is tied to or biased in favor of Obama, consider that Leonore Annenberg, founder of the Annenberg Foundation, which factcheck is a project of, has endorsed JOHN McCAIN for president.

Here are the links:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html

MACH1
10-27-2008, 04:15 PM
OBAMA ??

You gotta be kidding me.

He gets no yards on first down. Gets dropped behind the LOS NUMEROUS times.

Then gets a 30 or 40 yard run to make his stats look good.





Oh what.. OBAMA. I thought this was another hate Willie P. thread.

Sorry! :chuckle:

:rofl: :applaudit:

Preacher
10-27-2008, 04:16 PM
I disagree with people who say Obama is not qualified due to a lack of experience. There are a couple reasons why, in addition to his legislative achievements. First, there isn't really any evidence to suggest that the most experienced presidents were the best presidents or vice-versa. There's a great breakdown of past presidents, experience, and their ratings to which I will provide a link at the end of this post. Check it out if you are interested. A quick quote from the article: "But the point remains, the Presidents with a lot of experience have not been more outstanding than those with little experience."

Another thing is that Obama was indeed a "professor" of constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Those are not my words, but the words of the U of Chicago. Quote: "From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School." I'll also provide a link to factcheck.org further supporting this fact. Before people start claiming factcheck.org is tied to or biased in favor of Obama, consider that Leonore Annenberg, founder of the Annenberg Foundation, which factcheck is a project of, has endorsed JOHN McCAIN for president.

Here are the links:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html

Being a professor in a law school has nothing to do with being president, regardless of whether it is constitutional law or not.

As far as your comment about experience not being important for being a president, you will then, of course, admit that Governor Palin has as much chance to be a great president as Obama, based on the experience argument, correct?

tony hipchest
10-27-2008, 04:23 PM
admit that Governor Palin has as much chance to be a great president as Obama, based on the experience argument, correct?that would assume she's read the job description....

fugawzi
10-27-2008, 04:23 PM
Being a professor in a law school has nothing to do with being president, regardless of whether it is constitutional law or not.

As far as your comment about experience not being important for being a president, you will then, of course, admit that Governor Palin has as much chance to be a great president as Obama, based on the experience argument, correct?

Well for the record it was constitutional law that he taught. Sorry but if you are saying that constitutional law has nothing to do with the presidency then I HIGHLY disagree. Maybe if we had a president who actually knew constitutional law the last 8 years, he wouldn't have disobeyed and manipulated it the way it has been.

To answer your question, like I said in my last post, there's no evidence to suggest that experience leads to a nominee actually being a good president. No matter who it is, including Palin. Look at the article it has a ton of information backing this up. The difference is, Palin is not on the ballot for being president, Obama is. Palin will be a heartbeat away, especially being vice pres to a 72 year old cancer survivor. Nonetheless, her experience or lack thereof doesn't relate to whether she will be a good president or not. Same goes for Obama.

devilsdancefloor
10-27-2008, 04:41 PM
TERRY ANDERSON, A BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST, WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA HAS SAID THAT AREN'T EXACTLY CORRECT.

Obama's Not Exactlys:
1.) Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles a bout its various untruths.)

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.

Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the 20 election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....
http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn except how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of pe ople who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of20My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel .

30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your 20 plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

GBMelBlount
10-27-2008, 04:45 PM
Let me add a big one. He beat the Clintons in the primary. That in and of itself is amazing.

Not really. Obama was simply anointed by the media after 16 years of closing their eyes while holding their noses in order to allow for their liberal agenda to be advanced because they saw no one better. The instant the media found Obama, they kicked the Clintons to the curb. Simple as that.

tony hipchest
10-27-2008, 04:53 PM
Not really. Obama was simply anointed by the media after 16 years of closing their eyes while holding their noses in order to allow for their liberal agenda to be advanced because they saw no one better. The instant the media found Obama, they kicked the Clintons to the curb. Simple as that.wow. where is somebody to chastize you for your obvious vile hatred? :hunch:

just for that, next week im gonna advise sitting d. will for that powerhouse back up brad hoover. :wink02:

fugawzi
10-27-2008, 05:16 PM
TERRY ANDERSON, A BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST, WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA HAS SAID THAT AREN'T EXACTLY CORRECT.
Obama's Not Exactlys:

That list itself is a HUGE not exacty.

Not really. Obama was simply anointed by the media after 16 years of closing their eyes while holding their noses in order to allow for their liberal agenda to be advanced because they saw no one better. The instant the media found Obama, they kicked the Clintons to the curb. Simple as that.

So Barack Obama won the Democratic primary because of the media? Riiiiight.

lamberts-lost-tooth
10-28-2008, 09:47 AM
In Obama's first general election ad. We were told that Obama "passed laws" that "extended healthcare for wounded troops who'd been neglected," with a citation at the bottom to only one Senate bill:....The 2008 Defense Authorization Bill... which passed the Senate by a 91-3 vote. Six Senators did not vote-including Obama. He nerver contributed to its passage in any way...... So, his claim to have "passed laws" amounts to....well.... citing a bill that was largely unopposed.... that he didn't vote for.... and whose passage he didn't impact.

Even his hometown Chicago Tribune caught this false claim. It's classic resume-padding....falsely taking credit for the work of others.

Or take one of Obama's standard lines...he claim of "twenty years of public service." .... the numbers don't add up. Shall we count? Three years in the US Senate (two of which he's spent running for President),.... seven years in the Illinois State Senate equals ten. Even if we want to generous... throw in his three years as a "community organizer" and that still adds up to just thirteen.

Obama's other activities since 1985 included Harvard Law School.... writing two autobiographies....three years as an associate at a Chicago law firm.... and twelve years on the University of Chicago Law School faculty....., it takes quite the ego to consider any of those stints "public service." Which of them is Obama including?

Or take this inflated boast during his visit to Israel. At his press conference Obama talked up "his" efforts to protect Israel from Iran......"Just this past week, we passed out of the US Senate Banking Committee - which is "my" committee - a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon."

Even CNN noted.... Obama is not on that committee. Isnt that a peculiar "mistake" to simply have made by accident.......again, his claiming credit for the work of others just looks like clumsy, transparent resume embellishment.

There seems to be a pattern there..., Obama spent twelve years on the University of Chicago Law School faculty....and produced not even a single scholarly paper...... He was President of Harvard Law Review... but wrote nothing himself..... Even as a state legislator for seven years and community organizer for three years, there is little that shows his imprint....... OK, to be fair, he did write two books. About himself.

For all his glowing job titles, Obama has never gotten much done. Is it any wonder that his followeres respond with sweeping generalities...... when asked what Obama has actually accomplished that is relevant to the presidency?

Look at his record...even according to your own facts.... he's now completed over half of a Senate term; yet, is there even one signature issue he has taken hold of, other than his own presidential run?

It's been said that some people want to be President so they can do something; and some want to be President so they can be something.

steelwall
10-28-2008, 10:44 AM
In Obama's first general election ad. We were told that Obama "passed laws" that "extended healthcare for wounded troops who'd been neglected," with a citation at the bottom to only one Senate bill:....The 2008 Defense Authorization Bill... which passed the Senate by a 91-3 vote. Six Senators did not vote-including Obama. He nerver contributed to its passage

As a vet.........thats all I need to know right there. His trips to the middle East were a media hype. Did he not say the war in Iraq would end in 2009 if he was president???? Oh but like on many issues he flip floped on that.

Vote for Obama if you want, let him be the first black president....the country is due for a black president but IMO not him......but he will ruin this country...then blame it on the powers before him.

His senate record is a joke, his financial plan doesnt add up....he changed possitions on just about everything...... yeah ..... good candidate:applaudit:

revefsreleets
10-28-2008, 02:47 PM
wow. where is somebody to chastize you for your obvious vile hatred?

I'll be your Hucklebuck.


Liberal slant, here's a good one: The Pew Institute found overwhelming bias in the media (article here http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081028/pl_politico/14982), which Yahoo Politico first accept, then spend the rest of the article spinning it as to exactly why it's everyone's best interests that the media be liberal and slanted towards Obama.

Really, it's a circular argument that they don't allow to be won by anyone other than themselves. It wouldn't bother me so much accept for the CONSTANT barage of hate for Fox News, when all they do is try to balance the teeter-totter out a little, which is a Sisyphean task anyway, since how could one station balance ALL the others?

carpentermike
10-28-2008, 03:30 PM
I disagree with people who say Obama is not qualified due to a lack of experience. There are a couple reasons why, in addition to his legislative achievements. First, there isn't really any evidence to suggest that the most experienced presidents were the best presidents or vice-versa. There's a great breakdown of past presidents, experience, and their ratings to which I will provide a link at the end of this post. Check it out if you are interested. A quick quote from the article: "But the point remains, the Presidents with a lot of experience have not been more outstanding than those with little experience."

Another thing is that Obama was indeed a "professor" of constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Those are not my words, but the words of the U of Chicago. Quote: "From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School." I'll also provide a link to factcheck.org further supporting this fact. Before people start claiming factcheck.org is tied to or biased in favor of Obama, consider that Leonore Annenberg, founder of the Annenberg Foundation, which factcheck is a project of, has endorsed JOHN McCAIN for president.

Here are the links:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html

Because the University of Chicago paid him to speak how he believes that the US "Constitution is fundamentally flawed" and spew his disdane for the Founding Fathers of this great country does not make Obama an intellectual. He is an Elitist, socialist and determined to ruin our (We The People) country.

fugawzi
10-28-2008, 03:37 PM
Because the University of Chicago paid him to speak how he believes that the US "Constitution is fundamentally flawed" and spew his disdane for the Founding Fathers of this great country does not make Obama an intellectual. He is an Elitist, socialist and determined to ruin our (We The People) country.

Ok. I'd say he is somewhat intellectual going to Harvard, and also being a professor of constitutional law, but that's just my opinion. Elitism, you can make a case for that against McCain. 7 houses? He AND his wife are worth multi-millions. Socialist...eh. I don't think so. I was talking more about experience not having anything to do with good presidents, that's what the first link was about in my quote that you quoted.

revefsreleets
10-28-2008, 04:12 PM
And the interview in question concerning Obama's misgivings about the flaws in the constitution SHOULD be the October surprise.

This quote in particular: "Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."

This is disturbing stuff. This wasn't a gaffe. This wasn't a slip-up. This is Barrack Obama. This is how he thinks and feels. This is the guy that's probably less then 8 days away from winning the White House.

What the Federal government MUST do on your behalf. MUST redistribute wealth as a manifestation of social and political justice.

Don't blame me...I'm voting for McCain.

(Edit: For contextual sake, here is the whole quote)
If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be OK

But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.

And that hasn't shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.

tony hipchest
10-28-2008, 04:30 PM
I'll be your Hucklebuck.

i thought it was a pretty honest, introspective article...

And, yes, based on a combined 35 years in the news business we’d take an educated guess — nothing so scientific as a Pew study — that Obama will win the votes of probably 80 percent or more of journalists covering the 2008 election. Most political journalists we know are centrists — instinctually skeptical of ideological zealotry — but with at least a mild liberal tilt to their thinking, particularly on social issues.

So what?

....

There have been moments in the general election when the one-sidedness of our site — when nearly every story was some variation on how poorly McCain was doing or how well Barack Obama was faring — has made us cringe.

As it happens, McCain’s campaign is going quite poorly and Obama’s is going well. Imposing artificial balance on this reality would be a bias of its own.
the media is just as likely to sell stories of anna nicole smith, pac man jones, as they are mccain/palin. trainwrecks sell. i dont think its as much as a leftist conspiracy as people make it out to be.

and i like fox news. geraldo in a hurricaine is good stuff.

fugawzi
10-28-2008, 04:36 PM
and i like fox news. geraldo in a hurricaine is good stuff.

That clip was hilarious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLZ7lK7-G_A

revefsreleets
10-28-2008, 04:46 PM
i thought it was a pretty honest, introspective article...

the media is just as likely to sell stories of anna nicole smith, pac man jones, as they are mccain/palin. trainwrecks sell. i dont think its as much as a leftist conspiracy as people make it out to be.

and i like fox news. geraldo in a hurricaine is good stuff.

"Trainwrecks"?

Trainwrecks.

Obama questioning the very foundation of this country, and the methodology and intentions of the founding fathers can't get pub anywhere.

Palin borrows some expensive duds for 3 days and it's pervasive, inundating, ubiquitous.

Throwaway lines by the media who are covering their own tracks mean nothing.

This comes back to the "Entertainment Tonight" mentality of this country, which is VERY VERY real, and the fact that they (They being the press for propagating this myth, and the dumbed down and numb public for buying it) care 100X more about the unimportant and trivial latter than the earth-shaking and monumentally telling former.

Cape Cod Steel Head
10-28-2008, 04:56 PM
Ok. I'd say he is somewhat intellectual going to Harvard, and also being a professor of constitutional law, but that's just my opinion. Elitism, you can make a case for that against McCain. 7 houses? He AND his wife are worth multi-millions. Socialist...eh. I don't think so. I was talking more about experience not having anything to do with good presidents, that's what the first link was about in my quote that you quoted.Just because he went to Harvard doesn't mean he's an intellectual. Remember W went to Yale!:alcoholic

fugawzi
10-28-2008, 04:58 PM
Just because he went to Harvard doesn't mean he's an intellectual. Remember W went to Yale!:alcoholic

I do remember that. W didn't teach constitutional law though. Also, Obama hasn't made as many stupid gaffes as W. I don't think anyone could.

revefsreleets
10-28-2008, 05:01 PM
Bill Gates and Albert Einstein were both college drop-outs...Lincoln was self-educated. Obama's intellect is both unrelated to his education and irrelevant to his political positions.

But his political positions are perhaps the most relevant subject in this Country right now...

fugawzi
10-28-2008, 05:16 PM
Bill Gates and Albert Einstein were both college drop-outs...Lincoln was self-educated. Obama's intellect is both unrelated to his education and irrelevant to his political positions.

I think after 8 years of a complete moron, I'm ready for an intellectual. Just me though. Gates and Einstein weren't president and Lincoln was over 200 years ago. Times have changed dramatically.

revefsreleets
10-28-2008, 05:22 PM
I think after 8 years of a complete moron, I'm ready for an intellectual. Just me though.

I don't care about the intellectual level of my leader. I just want him to use common sense.

Hitler was a military genius and had eidetic memory. Both Marx and Lenin were considered brilliant intellectuals.

I wouldn't want any of them in charge.

HometownGal
10-28-2008, 05:56 PM
Also, Obama hasn't made as many stupid gaffes as W.

Obama may not have made as many (YET, but he is on track to surpass even W), but one that he did make is quite memorable (and also very disturbing).

“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”
:horror:


Here are some of Nobama's most infamous gaffes:

http://www.gop.com/BarackGaffes/

Preacher
10-28-2008, 06:04 PM
I do remember that. W didn't teach constitutional law though. Also, Obama hasn't made as many stupid gaffes as W. I don't think anyone could.

It doesn't take an intellectual to teach at a college or graduate level. It just takes memory skills.
In my education... The one thing I have realized, anyone of AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE can get a doctorate... and can teach.

All it takes is perseverance.

To get hired? It is much more WHO you know then WHAT you know.. .unless you are published.

No, those things don't really impress me at all. I have spent to much time in post-grad work to get duped by that.

After all, look at me... I ain't intelligent... wait a second............ doh! :doh:

augustashark
10-29-2008, 01:05 AM
I think after 8 years of a complete moron, .

Funny how a moron was elected and then reelected. You libs make me :toofunny:

lamberts-lost-tooth
10-29-2008, 08:24 AM
i thought it was a pretty honest, introspective article...

the media is just as likely to sell stories of anna nicole smith, pac man jones, as they are mccain/palin. trainwrecks sell. i dont think its as much as a leftist conspiracy as people make it out to be.

and i like fox news. geraldo in a hurricaine is good stuff.

I think that the media is incredibly leftist...but I also think that should Obama get into office....they will turn on him like a pack of wolves...because a good embellished story is better than no story at all.

"journalism" in our time has become little more than Op-Ed.

MACH1
10-31-2008, 03:53 PM
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Vincent
12-08-2008, 11:37 AM
TERRY ANDERSON, A BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST, WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA HAS SAID THAT AREN'T EXACTLY CORRECT.

I find the implications of this post deeply offensive to the conventional wisdom regarding the esteemed President elect, and wish to thank DDF for posting. :thumbsup:

HometownGal
12-09-2008, 10:00 PM
I find the implications of this post deeply offensive to the conventional wisdom regarding the esteemed President elect, and wish to thank DDF for posting. :thumbsup:

You forgot to add . . . .

"and I approve of DDF's message". :wink02::chuckle:

cowboykilla
12-13-2008, 04:42 PM
Being a professor in a law school has nothing to do with being president, regardless of whether it is constitutional law or not.

As far as your comment about experience not being important for being a president, you will then, of course, admit that Governor Palin has as much chance to be a great president as Obama, based on the experience argument, correct?

Sarah Palin could not name one magazine or newspaper in her interview with Katie Couric,not one. And this person would make a great president? :chuckle: Get over it,Obama is President.

cubanstogie
12-13-2008, 05:19 PM
Sarah Palin could not name one magazine or newspaper in her interview with Katie Couric,not one. And this person would make a great president? :chuckle: Get over it,Obama is President.

Palin wasn't running for president. Obama's days are numbered unless he changes his associates. I for one am glad he won so now we can pick him and these lame ass liberals apart for doing squat. Bunch of crooks. Libs are the biggest hypocrites in the world.

Makaveli
12-13-2008, 09:59 PM
I don't care about the intellectual level of my leader. I just want him to use common sense.

Hitler was a military genius and had eidetic memory. Both Marx and Lenin were considered brilliant intellectuals.

I wouldn't want any of them in charge.

Uuuuhh, off the subject here Rev,.. but from any military historian's perspective,....Hitler was VERY inept as a strategist. He was deranged, well trained as an orator and very passionate,.....but in terms of making tactical decisions,..the guy was a moron.:chuckle:

Oh,.....and,.... you all may proceed with the anti Obama rhetoric now,...

43Hitman
12-14-2008, 06:04 AM
Uuuuhh, off the subject here Rev,.. but from any military historian's perspective,....Hitler was VERY inept as a strategist. He was deranged, well trained as an orator and very passionate,.....but in terms of making tactical decisions,..the guy was a moron.:chuckle:

Oh,.....and,.... you all may proceed with the anti Obama rhetoric now,...

Sounds like Obama to me.:noidea:

Makaveli
12-14-2008, 04:58 PM
Sounds like Obama to me.:noidea:


I know, I know,..."your just sayin" right ? Touche 43,.....touche.:chuckle:

revefsreleets
12-15-2008, 08:17 AM
Uuuuhh, off the subject here Rev,.. but from any military historian's perspective,....Hitler was VERY inept as a strategist. He was deranged, well trained as an orator and very passionate,.....but in terms of making tactical decisions,..the guy was a moron.:chuckle:

Oh,.....and,.... you all may proceed with the anti Obama rhetoric now,...

I would argue the opposite. I have read plenty about Hitler, and I'd say he was a brilliant tactician, definitely had a vision (Blitzkrieg literally changed warfare), was weaker as a strategist (The Luftwaffe was actually obsolete by the Battle of Brittain due to Hitlers inability to see his own blind spot), and was undone by both his arrogance and the fact that he was also a nut.