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Steel Duck
10-28-2008, 03:47 AM
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Dan Rooney endorses Sen. Barack Obama
By The Tribune-Review
Monday, April 14, 2008

Buzz up!


Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney today endorsed Sen. Barack Obama in this open letter:


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Dear Fellow Pennsylvanian,
Based on the experiences that I have had in my seventy-five years and my assessment of what I think our nation needs to make real the change that is so needed, I am proud and now feel compelled to endorse Senator Barack Obama.

This is not something that I do regularly but as I listen to the candidates in this race, I am struck that we continue to hear about the problems and the same challenges that we have been talking about for decades. Protecting jobs here in Pennsylvania, breaking our dangerous and costly addiction to foreign oil, making health care accessible and affordable " these are neither new issues nor new ideas. And yet we have failed to make real progress.

As a grandfather and a citizen of this community I think Barack Obama's, thoughtful, strategic approach is important for America. When I hear how excited young people seem to be when they talk about this man, I believe he will do what is best for them which is to inspire them to be great Americans.


This time, we can't afford to wait. Our country needs a new direction and a new kind of leadership " the kind of leadership, judgment and experience that Senator Obama has demonstrated in more than 20 years of public service, and in a particularly impressive way in this campaign. Senator Obama has rejected the say-and-do anything tactics that puts winning elections ahead of governing the country. And he has rejected the back-room politics in favor of opening government up to the people. Barack Obama is the one candidate in this race who can finally put an end to business as usual in Washington and bring about real change for Pittsburgh and the country as a whole. He has inspired me and so many other people around our country with new ideas and fresh perspectives.

True sports fans know that you support your team even when they are the underdogs. Barack Obama is the underdog here but it is with great pride that I join his team.

When I think of Barack Obama's America I have great hope. I support his candidacy and look forward to his Presidency

Sincerely,

Daniel M. Rooney, Owner and Chairman, Pittsburgh Steelers


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Vis
10-28-2008, 06:53 AM
That's why Rooney won''t post here

stlrtruck
10-28-2008, 07:42 AM
This is why endorsements from people don't sway my votes.

lamberts-lost-tooth
10-28-2008, 07:54 AM
A Reminder.....

68% of our brave soldiers currently still in service support McCain...83% of Veterans support McCain...76% of people of faith support McCain.

86% of the Media support Obama...Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades support Obama....A.C.O.R.N. supports Obama.


We might not win this "game"....but when the buzzer sounds....we will like our "team-mates" more than you will.

revefsreleets
10-28-2008, 08:20 AM
Obama getting elected will raise ticket prices for the Steelers.

That's no joke. The Steelers players taxes will increase. The Steelers taxes will increase. Who do you think will bear the brunt of those increases?

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tax-percent-federal-2077390-taxes-tiger

cubanstogie
10-28-2008, 08:21 AM
a reminder of what, Rooney is old, senile, and cheap.

X-Terminator
10-28-2008, 09:10 AM
Obama getting elected will raise ticket prices for the Steelers.

That's no joke. The Steelers players taxes will increase. The Steelers taxes will increase. Who do you think will bear the brunt of those increases?

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tax-percent-federal-2077390-taxes-tiger

So basically, I can look forward to paying $60+ per seat (up from $47) for my Pens season tickets under Obama's tax plan in order to cover their increased costs. And that's not counting any other increases that the team may impose that would raise it even more. Thanks Barack! :coffee:

Just another reason to vote McCain.

HometownGal
10-28-2008, 09:37 AM
We might not win this "game"....but when the buzzer sounds....we will like our "team-mates" more than you will.

:thumbsup:

Buhdee, buhdee, buhdee . . .

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GBMelBlount
10-28-2008, 10:18 AM
A Reminder.....

68% of our brave soldiers currently still in service support McCain...83% of Veterans support McCain...76% of people of faith support McCain.

86% of the Media support Obama...Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades support Obama....A.C.O.R.N. supports Obama.


We might not win this "game"....but when the buzzer sounds....we will like our "team-mates" more than you will.

I agree. I don't even want to get started on the list of "groups" who primarily support Obama....it's not pretty.....

revefsreleets
10-28-2008, 02:41 PM
So basically, I can look forward to paying $60+ per seat (up from $47) for my Pens season tickets under Obama's tax plan in order to cover their increased costs. And that's not counting any other increases that the team may impose that would raise it even more. Thanks Barack! :coffee:

Just another reason to vote McCain.


Look on the bright side: If you quit your job and go on government relief, perhaps President Obama will pay for your Pens tickets?

fugawzi
10-28-2008, 02:44 PM
Yea I did think it's funny Rooney endorsed Obama and it seems most people here are for McCain. But thats good that everybody doesn't blindly follow whatever Rooney does or says, credit where credit is due.

Leftoverhard
10-28-2008, 03:16 PM
I doubt many people who hate Obama would care even if Jesus endorsed him. Endorsements don't carry a lot of weight unless they're for the other candidate, lol.

fugawzi
10-28-2008, 03:23 PM
I doubt many people who hate Obama would care even if Jesus endorsed him. Endorsements don't carry a lot of weight unless they're for the other candidate, lol.

That would be crazy if Jesus made an endorsement before next week.

"Hey everyone...it's me Jesus. I know it's been about 2000 years, but I thought I had to speak out on who I am endorsing in the pres election. And my vote goes to..........Nader, Ralph Nader"

And everyone would go:

"Aawwww, Nader?"

xfl2001fan
10-28-2008, 03:30 PM
That would be crazy if Jesus made an endorsement before next week.

"Hey everyone...it's me Jesus. I know it's been about 2000 years, but I thought I had to speak out on who I am endorsing in the pres election. And my vote goes to..........Nader, Ralph Nader"

And everyone would go:

"Aawwww, Nader?"

And then another Book would be written about the second crusification. The theological effects are mind boggling.

I was thinking He'd vote for Ross Perot. :flap:

HometownGal
10-28-2008, 03:50 PM
That would be crazy if Jesus made an endorsement before next week.

"Hey everyone...it's me Jesus. I know it's been about 2000 years, but I thought I had to speak out on who I am endorsing in the pres election. And my vote goes to..........Nader, Ralph Nader"

And everyone would go:

"Aawwww, Nader?"

LOL! You're too funny! :chuckle:

Sorry - couldn't resist posting a pic of the "savior", who is going to save us all from the throes of poverty. :laughing:

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fugawzi
10-28-2008, 03:54 PM
LOL! You're too funny! :chuckle:

Sorry - couldn't resist posting a pic of the "savior", who is going to save us all from the throes of poverty. :laughing:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc46/gearyb/obamjesus2.gif

That actually looks kinda creepy! Whoever it is that gets elected, I hope they do save us from the throes of poverty, and all our other problems too.

Polamalu Princess
10-28-2008, 05:22 PM
Well, that being said...oh forget it. Anyway, that does not sway me one way or the other. The man is getting up there in age and may not be the owner for very much longer...

43Hitman
10-28-2008, 09:16 PM
Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

Leftoverhard
10-28-2008, 09:52 PM
Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

That's a fake story......you could at least say you got it from one of the many sites that use it. I love how eveyone pretends it's theirs. Cheesy. You should actually try it. The waiter would probably tell you to keep your cheap tip and give it to someone who cares.

MACH1
10-28-2008, 10:01 PM
That's a fake story......you could at least say you got it from one of the many sites that use it. I love how eveyone pretends it's theirs. Cheesy. You should actually try it. The waiter would probably tell you to keep your cheap tip and give it to someone who cares.

LINK

tony hipchest
10-28-2008, 10:20 PM
LINKi often walk through my back yard at night (where i have a pig and some dogs)

i dont need a link to tell me when i stepped in crap.

if the story isnt a scripted fake, im gonna start a chain e-mail to see how long of legs it can grow.

43Hitman
10-29-2008, 05:04 AM
That's a fake story......you could at least say you got it from one of the many sites that use it. I love how eveyone pretends it's theirs. Cheesy. You should actually try it. The waiter would probably tell you to keep your cheap tip and give it to someone who cares.


You mean fake like Obama? Since you have so much money and think that a 10 dollar tip is cheap, you can re-distribute some of YOUR money to me anytime your ready pal.

lamberts-lost-tooth
10-29-2008, 07:45 AM
That's a fake story......you could at least say you got it from one of the many sites that use it. I love how eveyone pretends it's theirs. Cheesy. You should actually try it. The waiter would probably tell you to keep your cheap tip and give it to someone who cares.

Still funny...not mean spirite...and proves a very valid point....

Like this.....

A mans oldest daughter was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals she was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs -- what her dad dismissed as "redistribution of wealth."

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, and a rich one at that -- a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his, rather than benefit society.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. "You don't need to spend money on these expensive furnishings in this huge house when there are people who need to earn more than minimum wage and better food!" she lectured.

To her shock and amazement, all her father said said in reply was "Welcome to socialism."

That's it? she thought to herself -- no argument? But before she could even think of a follow-up, he actually changed the subject! "How are you doing with your studies?" he asked her.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for her boyfriend, and couldnt do alot of things with hercollege friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her father was closing in now. He told her, "Thats too bad. I feel sorry for her. Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA ."

Visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, she angrily fired back, "Why would I do that!? I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! I earned that 4.0 grade average!"

Her father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to capitalism."

Leftoverhard
10-29-2008, 09:16 AM
LINK

ok......it's an email forward, junk mail, spam. There are at least 445 links, I'll start with 3.

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/today_on_my_way_to_lunch_i_passed_a_homeless_guy_w ith_a_sign_that_read_vote/

http://artpredator.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/not-funny-not-waving-but-drowning/

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=777094

You mean fake like Obama? Since you have so much money and think that a 10 dollar tip is cheap, you can re-distribute some of YOUR money to me anytime your ready pal.

Hitman, a 10 dollar tip on a guys 10 dollar lunch? (if he had a 50 dollar lunch, then maybe this story should reconsider who the wealthy person in this story is......) That's a two dollar tip if you're a normal person, a buck fifty if you're the kind of jerk who would pull a stunt like that. Waiters are wealthy? Really.... How could that be called redistribution of wealth? Seriously, this spam story has more holes than a mad cows brain.

SCSTILLER
10-29-2008, 02:48 PM
Who cares if the waiter story is true, false, happened to my mother, or whatever. The point that you are missing is that the story drives home the fact of Obama's wealth redistribution policy. It is to prove a point to the Obamanites that their hard earned money is now somebody else's. I make the money, he gives it to somebody else. Great policy, what is my incentive to work hard anymore?

I know I for one am going to quit my job and sit at home and rely on the big government to take care of me "sarcasm smiley"

Leftoverhard
10-29-2008, 03:02 PM
The point that you are missing is that the story drives home the fact of Obama's wealth redistribution policy.

And for that, you win the relief long snapper of the day award. Wealthy waiter. No such thing. End.

HometownGal
10-29-2008, 04:31 PM
And for that, you win the relief long snapper of the day award. Wealthy waiter. No such thing. End.

Actually, LO, there are many waiters and waitresses out there who make a damned nice buck every week, mostly from tips. Of course these people are employed by 4 and 5 star restaurants, but they only have to report a portion of their tips on their income tax returns. A woman in my neighborhood works at a 5 star restaurant in Mt. Washington and pulls in around $1,400.00 per week waiting tables. No, not wealthy, but she lives very comfortably and doesn't have to report all of it when Uncle Sam comes knockin'.

FWIW - I could associate with the example made by Hitman and I think he "hit" the point right on the button. :thumbsup:

tony hipchest
10-29-2008, 05:05 PM
FWIW - I could associate with the example made by Hitman and I think he "hit" the point right on the button. :thumbsup::scratchchin: hmmmm....

i think i'll start fabricating stories and life experiences to con everyone and hammer home a point.

"example" :chuckle: no need to whitewash what was obviously a "tall-tale", a fib, a farce, etc.

GBMelBlount
10-29-2008, 05:17 PM
LMAO!!!!!!! Great sig Leftover!

klick81
10-29-2008, 05:40 PM
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Dan Rooney endorses Sen. Barack Obama
By The Tribune-Review
Monday, April 14, 2008

Buzz up!


Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney today endorsed Sen. Barack Obama in this open letter:


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Dear Fellow Pennsylvanian,
Based on the experiences that I have had in my seventy-five years and my assessment of what I think our nation needs to make real the change that is so needed, I am proud and now feel compelled to endorse Senator Barack Obama.

This is not something that I do regularly but as I listen to the candidates in this race, I am struck that we continue to hear about the problems and the same challenges that we have been talking about for decades. Protecting jobs here in Pennsylvania, breaking our dangerous and costly addiction to foreign oil, making health care accessible and affordable " these are neither new issues nor new ideas. And yet we have failed to make real progress.

As a grandfather and a citizen of this community I think Barack Obama's, thoughtful, strategic approach is important for America. When I hear how excited young people seem to be when they talk about this man, I believe he will do what is best for them which is to inspire them to be great Americans.


This time, we can't afford to wait. Our country needs a new direction and a new kind of leadership " the kind of leadership, judgment and experience that Senator Obama has demonstrated in more than 20 years of public service, and in a particularly impressive way in this campaign. Senator Obama has rejected the say-and-do anything tactics that puts winning elections ahead of governing the country. And he has rejected the back-room politics in favor of opening government up to the people. Barack Obama is the one candidate in this race who can finally put an end to business as usual in Washington and bring about real change for Pittsburgh and the country as a whole. He has inspired me and so many other people around our country with new ideas and fresh perspectives.

True sports fans know that you support your team even when they are the underdogs. Barack Obama is the underdog here but it is with great pride that I join his team.

When I think of Barack Obama's America I have great hope. I support his candidacy and look forward to his Presidency

Sincerely,

Daniel M. Rooney, Owner and Chairman, Pittsburgh Steelers


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WHAT A GREAT POST!!! Thanks for posting!

Steel Duck
10-29-2008, 06:24 PM
WHAT A GREAT POST!!! Thanks for posting!

Thank you!:hug:

HometownGal
10-29-2008, 07:36 PM
:scratchchin: hmmmm....

i think i'll start fabricating stories and life experiences to con everyone and hammer home a point.

"example" :chuckle: no need to whitewash what was obviously a "tall-tale", a fib, a farce, etc.

hmmmm....:scratchchin:

Very strange that you once again choose my post agreeing with someone else to nitpick at instead of addressing it directly with the poster himself. :scratchchin:

Crushzilla
10-29-2008, 07:59 PM
When we are referring to Obama "spreading the wealth" are we talking about his Emergency Economic plan?

tony hipchest
10-29-2008, 08:27 PM
hmmmm....:scratchchin:

Very strange that you once again choose my post agreeing with someone else to nitpick at instead of addressing it directly with the poster himself. :scratchchin:see post #21 instead of making it like i single you out because you are a strong minded female. i didnt take issue with the poster himself cause leftoverhard beat me to the punch and i saw no reason to repeat him.

again, youre not being singled out. i just responded to your words on a screen as if you were any other poster (not a mod or female or anything). please dont take it so personally. MACH1 didnt. :huh:

Steel Duck
10-29-2008, 08:36 PM
When we are referring to Obama "spreading the wealth" are we talking about his Emergency Economic plan?

No, they are talking about Obamas tax cut to middle class families.....They call this "spreading the wealth"...Now I'm not sure what they call McCains 700 billion dollar tax cut to fortune 500 companies :noidea:

HometownGal
10-29-2008, 08:40 PM
see post #21 instead of making it like i single you out because you are a strong minded female. i didnt take issue with the poster himself cause leftoverhard beat me to the punch and i saw no reason to repeat him.



Whatever you say hipcheese. That never stopped you before. :wink02:

again, youre not being singled out. i just responded to your words on a screen as if you were any other poster (not a mod or female or anything). please dont take it so personally. MACH1 didnt. :huh:

See Post #25. I didn't see you take issue with SC where he posted in agreement with regard to the rationale behind Hitman's post, which is exactly what I did.

Once again - I never stated in my prior post what Hitman posted was or wasn't a trumped up story. I simply stated:

FWIW - I could associate with the example made by Hitman and I think he "hit" the point right on the button.

tony hipchest
10-29-2008, 09:17 PM
See Post #25. I didn't see you take issue with SC where he posted in agreement with regard to the rationale behind Hitman's post, which is exactly what I did.

:more proof that im fair and balanced in my replies. i had forgotten about that response and after checking it out again, i now know why. it wasnt even worth a response in my mind.

he's gonna quit his job and sponge off the system. good for him :applaudit:

SCSTILLER
10-30-2008, 07:23 AM
No, they are talking about Obamas tax cut to middle class families.....They call this "spreading the wealth"...Now I'm not sure what they call McCains 700 billion dollar tax cut to fortune 500 companies :noidea:

McCains plan is called Trickle Down Economics, and contrary to what the left beleives, it does work. Trickle up economics does not. To steal a quote from Glenn Beck, "when was the last time you were hired by a poor person?" I know I have never been employed by a poor person. If you don't like being poor, go get another job. Go back to college, their are thousands of ways to get college paid for by the lower class (I know because I see it alot in the courses that I am taking). Now imagine if every employer had to lay off just one person because of Obama's tax plans/minimum wage increase/required health care, the unemployment rate would sky rocket, further causing an increase in the lower/poor class.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/22652.html

check out the above link. It gives some good info on how much the wealthy are actually paying in taxes based on percentages.

I can already read the comebacks now! :blah:

SCSTILLER
10-30-2008, 07:38 AM
And for that, you win the relief long snapper of the day award. Wealthy waiter. No such thing. End.


LO, I was waiting for that SNAPPY comeback!

Leftoverhard
10-30-2008, 02:59 PM
LMAO!!!!!!! Great sig Leftover!

Thanks GBMel, I just saw your comment. I couldn't help myself - :laughing:

Leftoverhard
10-30-2008, 03:09 PM
LO, I was waiting for that SNAPPY comeback!

Again, couldn't help myself, lol.
HTG, I was a waiter and a bartender. I made great money for what I did but even during the busiest hour at a five star restaurant a waiter will never be a wealthy waiter. Sure, there are nights you make $300 bucks but there are also days where you make $40 and when it gets slow, you get sent home with nothing. You are taxed on your tips.
I'll tell you what though, as a bartender, I bought my fair share of drinks/dinners/lunches for plenty of homeless guys, lol.

KeiselPower99
10-30-2008, 05:44 PM
I am a member of Glenn Becks insiders and in an interview a few years ago Obama said the problem of the civil right movement was Wealth wasnt distributed fairly. This isnt merry ol England and he isnt Robin Hood. No as far as Rooneys endorsement....Whoopie. I trust Rooney but only on the football side of things.

Steel Duck
10-30-2008, 05:53 PM
I am a member of Glenn Becks insiders and in an interview a few years ago Obama said the problem of the civil right movement was Wealth wasnt distributed fairly. This isnt merry ol England and he isnt Robin Hood. No as far as Rooneys endorsement....Whoopie. I trust Rooney but only on the football side of things.

Do you have a link to back this up this "story"?

MACH1
10-30-2008, 06:18 PM
Do you have a link to back this up this "story"?

2001 Interview

Obama 2001: Scrap the Constitution, spread the wealth

Obama rips U.S. Constitution
Faults Supreme Court for not mandating 'redistribution of wealth'
Posted: October 27, 2008
1:46 pm Eastern

2008 WorldNetDaily

Seven years before Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" comment to Joe the Plumber became a GOP campaign theme, the Democratic presidential candidate said in a radio interview the U.S. has suffered from a fundamentally flawed Constitution that does not mandate or allow for redistribution of wealth.

In a newly unearthed tape, Obama is heard telling Chicago's public station WBEZ-FM in 2001 that "redistributive change" is needed, pointing to what he regarded as a failure of the U.S. Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren in its rulings on civil rights issues in the 1960s.

The Warren court, he said, failed to "break free from the essential constraints" in the U.S. Constitution and launch a major redistribution of wealth. But Obama, then an Illinois state lawmaker, said the legislative branch of government, rather than the courts, probably was the ideal avenue for accomplishing that goal.


In the 2001 interview, Obama said:

If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it Id be OK

But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.

And that hasn't shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79225

HometownGal
10-30-2008, 08:04 PM
I made great money for what I did but even during the busiest hour at a five star restaurant a waiter will never be a wealthy waiter. Sure, there are nights you make $300 bucks but there are also days where you make $40 and when it gets slow, you get sent home with nothing. You are taxed on your tips.
I'll tell you what though, as a bartender, I bought my fair share of drinks/dinners/lunches for plenty of homeless guys, lol.

Maybe the restaurant clientele is different in the areas of NM at certain 5 star eateries, but up on Mt. Washington, there are several 5 star restaurants which are quite pricey. My neighbor makes very good money and lives quite nicely on what she earns at the LeMont. You are taxed on what you REPORT to your employer and your employer in turn reports to the IRS. :wink02::wink02:

Leftoverhard
10-30-2008, 08:59 PM
Maybe the restaurant clientele is different in the areas of NM at certain 5 star eateries, but up on Mt. Washington, there are several 5 star restaurants which are quite pricey. My neighbor makes very good money and lives quite nicely on what she earns at the LeMont. You are taxed on what you REPORT to your employer and your employer in turn reports to the IRS. :wink02::wink02:

Hmm but according to McCain isn't wealthy a millionaire? According to me it is. I don't consider someone who makes $40,000 a year wealthy. Most restaurants take 15% of your sales and tax you on it. That's why a waiter's paycheck is usually about $15 bucks every two weeks. The key word in this "scenario" spam email is wealthy. I was simply debunking the story piece by piece. It wasn't hard. It's not a good "scenario".

Texasteel
10-31-2008, 06:39 AM
Again, couldn't help myself, lol.
HTG, I was a waiter and a bartender. I made great money for what I did but even during the busiest hour at a five star restaurant a waiter will never be a wealthy waiter. Sure, there are nights you make $300 bucks but there are also days where you make $40 and when it gets slow, you get sent home with nothing. You are taxed on your tips.
I'll tell you what though, as a bartender, I bought my fair share of drinks/dinners/lunches for plenty of homeless guys, lol.

My daughter taught at a privage school last year. When you husband was out of work she tolk a job as a waitress at an Outback Steak House. She had good day, and bad, and I really don't know exactly what she did make as a waitress but I can tell you this. She made quite a bit more as a waitress than she did as a school teacher. A GOOD waiters, or waitress can do pretty well if they are willing to work at it.

Leftoverhard
10-31-2008, 02:09 PM
She made quite a bit more as a waitress than she did as a school teacher. A GOOD waiters, or waitress can do pretty well if they are willing to work at it.

I was a very good waiter/bartender, I did very well. I made decent money*. I was not wealthy nor do I know anyone who was ever wealthy from doing any of that work. Here are some facts about waiting tables.
1. No matter how hard you work at it, you won't become wealthy as a waiter.
2. The "life expectancy" of your job is low. Most people won't retire as a waiter. I know of a few. They don't have a retirement. You move on or work as a host at Dennys. That's fine but you're not wealthy.
3. The fact that teachers make less than a lot of waiters speaks volumes. Why is this? Maybe we should figure out the answer to this question. Teachers should make much more than waiters. Teachers should make A LOT more than that.


*Decent money is in the eye of the beholder. My decent money as a waiter would be peanut shells to an actual wealthy person.

Vis
10-31-2008, 02:16 PM
Food service is a career killer because it puts cash in your hands at a time when school gets harder. Who needs that damn accounting class. I've got $200.00 in my pocket from a short shift......

KeiselPower99
11-01-2008, 02:32 PM
Thanks for the back up Mach1.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-03-2008, 05:28 AM
I was a very good waiter/bartender, I did very well. I made decent money*. I was not wealthy nor do I know anyone who was ever wealthy from doing any of that work. Here are some facts about waiting tables.
1. No matter how hard you work at it, you won't become wealthy as a waiter.
2. The "life expectancy" of your job is low. Most people won't retire as a waiter. I know of a few. They don't have a retirement. You move on or work as a host at Dennys. That's fine but you're not wealthy.
3. The fact that teachers make less than a lot of waiters speaks volumes. Why is this? Maybe we should figure out the answer to this question. Teachers should make much more than waiters. Teachers should make A LOT more than that.


*Decent money is in the eye of the beholder. My decent money as a waiter would be peanut shells to an actual wealthy person.

Who cares ....this is all a rabbit tail to get off the point that wealth distributions IS NOT capitalism and IS socialism....the left can stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that their candidate is something less than far-left....but in their hearts they always have to resort to these types of "rationale".

Talk about everything except:

1) his socialist policies and relationships
2) his lack of any real substance or experience.

I learned my lesson with Gov. Ryan here in Illinois....I will NEVER again hold my nose while voting for a candidate....

I believe with all my heart that there is a large group of dems out there who see this election as payback for the "Gore" & "Kerry" elections in which they falsely believe that they were cheated....and if Satan himself were to run under the Dems ticket this year we would see the same kind of justification that we are seeing with Obama....

"Hey...he was CEO of Hell....he has executive experience!"

"Come on....Who better to understand global WARMING?"

"Sure...Hitler and Stalin are on his staff....but he never really has called them friends"

Steel Duck
11-03-2008, 05:33 AM
I believe with all my heart that there is a large group of dems out there who see this election as payback for the "Gore" & "Kerry" elections in which they falsely believe that they were cheated...

We were cheated in 2000. Everyone now knows Gore won!

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-03-2008, 06:56 AM
We were cheated in 2000. Everyone now knows Gore won!

Case in point. Thank you....and YOU are not "Everyone".

xfl2001fan
11-03-2008, 07:58 AM
We were cheated in 2000. Everyone now knows Gore won!

Checking Google...
Checking Encyclopedia...
Checking my daughters American History textbook...

Funny, it shows that Gore did not win that election. I do believe that George Bush became the President in that particular election...which means Gore was then, is now and always will be a LOSER!

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-03-2008, 08:21 AM
Checking Google...
Checking Encyclopedia...
Checking my daughters American History textbook...

Funny, it shows that Gore did not win that election. I do believe that George Bush became the President in that particular election...which means Gore was then, is now and always will be a LOSER!

...wow....cant really add to that. Some posts just sum it up perfectly.

revefsreleets
11-03-2008, 09:25 AM
The electoral college was established in the constitution. So, here's how this shakes out:

If you believe in the US Constitution and what the founding fathers intended, then Bush won in '04.

If you DISPUTE the Constitution and the founding fathers intentions, then Gore won in '04.

The popular election sways the electoral college, but it IS the electoral college that elects the president.

Havik
11-03-2008, 09:53 AM
The electoral college was established in the constitution. So, here's how this shakes out:

If you believe in the US Constitution and what the founding fathers intended, then Bush won in '04.

If you DISPUTE the Constitution and the founding fathers intentions, then Gore won in '04.

The popular election sways the electoral college, but it IS the electoral college that elects the president.

I had no idea Gore ran for president in '04.

revefsreleets
11-03-2008, 10:03 AM
Cute. Alright, '00. My bad...

That in no way invalidates the information in the post. Anyone care to address the REAL issue here?