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Vis
10-31-2008, 04:29 PM
I nominate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzhUOfgxg2c

The Libby Dole

Dole's desperate turn to Big Lie advertising

Somewhere, Jesse Helms is laughing and clapping in glee.

Posted: Thursday, Oct. 30, 2008
North Carolina knows from sad experience about negative election campaigns and misleading, untruthful advertising. In the 1950 campaign, opponents of the late UNC President Frank Porter Graham used a doctored photo of his wife with a black man to inject race into a Senate campaign and help defeat the revered educator. In 1990, Sen. Jesse Helms used the infamous “white hands” ad, blaming the failure of a white person to get a job on a minority and “a racial quota” to help defeat former Charlotte Mayor Harvey Gantt.

When Helms retired in 2002 and Salisbury native Elizabeth Dole was elected to take his place, voters here breathed a sigh of relief. Surely Dole would not stoop to the racial appeals that marked too many N.C. elections and soured so many people on politics. It just wasn't her way. While she might be every bit as conservative as Helms, her style was not divisive. She did not demonize her opponents.

Until now. In a new TV ad that must have the late Sen. Helms smiling and cheering from the great beyond, the Dole campaign has attacked her opponent, Democratic state Sen. Kay Hagan of Greensboro, as “godless.” Hagan attended a September fundraiser in Boston sponsored by dozens of people and co-hosted by two persons associated with a group called Godless Americans PAC. Dole's ad says Hagan took “godless” money. Hagan's campaign says she did not receive money from the PAC, though she did get money from one of the co-hosts. She has demanded Dole halt the ad.

Hagan's attendance at any fundraiser and acceptance of a contribution is a fair topic for comment. Yet Dole has resorted to the Big Lie technique, morphing a kernel of truth into a monumental fiction.

How so? The Dole campaign stepped across a broad line, portraying Hagan as not Christian and suggesting she does not believe in God. The Dole ad shows a picture of Hagan while a woman's voice, not Hagan's, intones, “There is no God.”

This is indecent. It is the modern-day version of the “white hands” ad, a lie born of Dole's desperation in a race in which she has trailed for weeks. It is also a deliberate attempt by Dole's campaign not just to distort the truth, but to shatter Hagan's admirable record as an elder for more than a decade in Greensboro's First Presbyterian Church, as a Sunday School teacher and a volunteer in her church's fundraising campaigns, worship services and community service programs.

Political campaigns in this state are often hard-fought, with bitter, overwrought accusations that stretch the truth, embellish the facts and attempt to confuse voters. Hagan has hit Dole hard. Dole has hit Hagan hard. That is par for the course.

This ad is something else, an attack on a Christian woman's faith against all evidence to the contrary. It is wrong. It may well backfire on Dole.

It has no place in N.C. politics. Unless she admits this egregious, shameful mistake and acts appropriately, Elizabeth Dole has no place in N.C. politics, either

Leftoverhard
10-31-2008, 05:10 PM
Yeah, that ad wins hands down. Kay Hagen: Godless Sunday school teacher and church elder. Wierd.....At least this is backfiring so loud that campaign is ducking for cover.

Steel Duck
10-31-2008, 05:47 PM
It's truly too bad that Doles campaign felt compelled to stoop to such a level...I know that I am a democrat.... but I have been a big fan of Liddy's for a number of years...
In fact I wished after Palin was picked, that McCain had chosen Liddy Dole....He would have quite possibly gotten my vote!!!
Again...shame on you Liddy, for not only authorizing this commercial, but for being a part of it...AND now making excuses for it!:thmbdown:

Leftoverhard
10-31-2008, 06:16 PM
I actually thought she was going to be the VP pick. To me the obvious choice for McCain was a woman - but a real old school attack dog like Dole - not Palin, not even close.

cubanstogie
10-31-2008, 06:52 PM
I find it really hard to believe any of you above would have endorsed anyone McCain chose. Pretty amusing listening to you act like you actually might be bipartisan though. Maybe I am just cynical. How dare McCain choose an evil woman with 5 kids and real american values with an 80 to 90 percent approval rating from the state she governs.

cubanstogie
10-31-2008, 06:56 PM
Dirty? laughter, the truth hurts. Call a spade a spade. Just like the US wasn't ready for a mormon president in Romney, they are not ready for an Atheist in politics either.

Steel Duck
10-31-2008, 07:19 PM
I find it really hard to believe any of you above would have endorsed anyone McCain chose. Pretty amusing listening to you act like you actually might be bipartisan though. Maybe I am just cynical. How dare McCain choose an evil woman with 5 kids and real american values with an 80 to 90 percent approval rating from the state she governs.

I don't see anything written in this thread that would cause you to be so vile and hostile.
And YES there are some democrats here who CAN be bi-partisn. Do you want to know when I decided I was going to vote for Obama????? It was 3 weeks after McCain announced his VP candidate. Up to that point I was on the fence. AFTERALL my candidate lost in the primary and honestly I was more than just a little pissed off Obama didn't choose Hillary as his running mate.
I had to put my personal feelings aside....my fears of flawed characteristics...and base my vote ONLY on the issues that are important to me. I had to support the person running who would best represent my beliefs in Washington. THIS WAS NOT AN EASY TASK FOR ME!
Having said all that, I am proud of my decision, and proud that I voted for Obama! (yes I voted early) The last few weeks of the McCain campaign has only nullified my decision....McCain will stop at nothing to win...
My personal opinion about Palin, is that she was choosen because it was thought she could win the election for McCain...She wasn't choosen because she was the best candidate for this country.
Opposite for Obama...he could have choosen Hillary as a running mate..and ya know what? If he had, he would have closed this deal a long time ago....He had 19 million reasons to choose Hillary..and only 1 reason to choose Biden....Biden was the best candidate for our country.

cubanstogie
10-31-2008, 07:29 PM
I don't see anything written in this thread that would cause you to be so vile and hostile.
And YES there are some democrats here who CAN be bi-partisn. Do you want to know when I decided I was going to vote for Obama????? It was 3 weeks after McCain announced his VP candidate. Up to that point I was on the fence. AFTERALL my candidate lost in the primary and honestly I was more than just a little pissed off Obama didn't choose Hillary as his running mate.
I had to put my personal feelings aside....my fears of flawed characteristics...and base my vote ONLY on the issues that are important to me. I had to support the person running who would best represent my beliefs in Washington. THIS WAS NOT AN EASY TASK FOR ME!
Having said all that, I am proud of my decision, and proud that I voted for Obama! (yes I voted early) The last few weeks of the McCain campaign has only nullified my decision....McCain will stop at nothing to win...
My personal opinion about Palin, is that she was choosen because it was thought she could win the election for McCain...She wasn't choosen because she was the best candidate for this country.
Opposite for Obama...he could have choosen Hillary as a running mate..and ya know what? If he had, he would have closed this deal a long time ago....He had 19 million reasons to choose Hillary..and only 1 reason to choose Biden....Biden was the best candidate for our country.

nothing hostile about it. My opinion and notice i didn't write in BOLD like you did. I even stated it may be cynical. I just don't understand the hatred toward Palin. Its not like she hangs with terrorists, or racists.

Steel Duck
10-31-2008, 07:32 PM
nothing hostile about it. My opinion and notice i didn't write in BOLD like you did. I even stated it may be cynical. I just don't understand the hatred toward Palin. Its not like she hangs with terrorists, or racists.

For me it's not hating her......It's questioning McCains abilty to surround himself with experienced and intelligent people. She IS afterall a heartbeat away from the presidency, and though it may not matter to you, it matters to me because I have not seen anything in her that would comfort me in the fact that she was ready for that.

Leftoverhard
10-31-2008, 07:57 PM
stogie..........nevermind. Have a nice day.

xfl2001fan
10-31-2008, 11:09 PM
For me it's not hating her......It's questioning McCains abilty to surround himself with experienced and intelligent people. She IS afterall a heartbeat away from the presidency, and though it may not matter to you, it matters to me because I have not seen anything in her that would comfort me in the fact that she was ready for that.

So her inexperience counts against McCain...but Obama's inexperience doesn't? Afterall, he's just a few thousand Acorn votes away from the presidency...

GBMelBlount
10-31-2008, 11:40 PM
For me it's not hating her......It's questioning McCains abilty to surround himself with experienced and intelligent people. She IS afterall a heartbeat away from the presidency, and though it may not matter to you, it matters to me because I have not seen anything in her that would comfort me in the fact that she was ready for that.

she is arguably more qualified to be president than Obama is Steelduck.

devilsdancefloor
11-01-2008, 11:27 AM
a vote for mccain is a vote for pelosi think about it everyone is so sure mccain is gonna drop dead.... so vote mccain your voting for her http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08446/nancy627.png


:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny: sorry couldnt resist

Steel Duck
11-01-2008, 11:50 AM
a vote for mccain is a vote for pelosi think about it everyone is so sure mccain is gonna drop dead.... so vote mccain your voting for her http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08446/nancy627.png


:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny: sorry couldnt resist

GOOD LORD!!!! That is a terrible pic!!!:laughing:

SteelCityMan786
11-01-2008, 12:39 PM
a vote for mccain is a vote for pelosi think about it everyone is so sure mccain is gonna drop dead.... so vote mccain your voting for her http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08446/nancy627.png


:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny: sorry couldnt resist

Actually, no. it's a vote for Pelosi and Obama. Obama is a Liberal, Pelosi to is a Liberal.

Oh, and to the people who are so sure that McCain would die in office, that's what they said about Ronald Reagan, and he lived into his 90s.

MACH1
11-01-2008, 12:41 PM
What the hell is that? The Bride of Frankenstein.

fansince'76
11-01-2008, 12:50 PM
http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08446/nancy627.png

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/01/24/amd_jackjoker.jpg

"Love that Joker!"

devilsdancefloor
11-01-2008, 01:05 PM
Actually, no. it's a vote for Pelosi and Obama. Obama is a Liberal, Pelosi to is a Liberal.

Oh, and to the people who are so sure that McCain would die in office, that's what they said about Ronald Reagan, and he lived into his 90s.

i was just trying to make a funny :chuckle::laughing: :toofunny: it seems as the closer we get to the election i thought a lil funny would help cause honestly the debate in forums has been running hot hot hot the past few days.

HometownGal
11-01-2008, 01:36 PM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/01/24/amd_jackjoker.jpg

"Love that Joker!"

My God - the resemblance is uncanny! :toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

Here's Nancy stumping for Obama:

http://firstfriday.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/pelosi-joker.jpg


:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

steelcity_88
11-01-2008, 02:40 PM
I find it really hard to believe any of you above would have endorsed anyone McCain chose. Pretty amusing listening to you act like you actually might be bipartisan though. Maybe I am just cynical. How dare McCain choose an evil woman with 5 kids and real american values with an 80 to 90 percent approval rating from the state she governs.

Might I ask, what "real American values" do you speak of?

cubanstogie
11-01-2008, 03:25 PM
Might I ask, what "real American values" do you speak of?

capitalism, freedom, faith, family (mom and Dad not Dad and Dad) , life

steelcity_88
11-01-2008, 03:41 PM
capitalism, freedom, faith, family (mom and Dad not Dad and Dad) , life

So, you like her because she's not a "socialist" like Obama, right? Faith? I have no religion, does that mean I'm less American? What about gay people? Are they, too, less American? Was our country not founded on equal rights for all? She represents a very small right-winged extreme religious nut minority.

cubanstogie
11-01-2008, 03:54 PM
So, you like her because she's not a "socialist" like Obama, right? Faith? I have no religion, does that mean I'm less American? What about gay people? Are they, too, less American? Was our country not founded on equal rights for all? She represents a very small right-winged extreme religious nut minority.

I never stated those were the reasons I like her, nor did I say I did like her. Read the post again, I was referring to the hatred of her by the media and left.I made a sarcastic comment saying how dare McCain choose a running mate with american values and so forth. You then asked the what american values I was referring to and I told you. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Leftoverhard
11-01-2008, 04:05 PM
I don't really like posting scary photoshop images up here but here's to your Batman theme. Althought I didn't alter anyone's face.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4540/mcpenguiniu5.jpg

revefsreleets
11-01-2008, 04:06 PM
This is my favorite Obama ad. There's not a single fact in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbcJtOHdcE

Wait...it's a tie. Two ads, zero facts,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5o2wvVcARM&feature=related

SteelCityMan786
11-01-2008, 11:16 PM
i was just trying to make a funny :chuckle::laughing: :toofunny: it seems as the closer we get to the election i thought a lil funny would help cause honestly the debate in forums has been running hot hot hot the past few days.

haha ok then. Nevermind that. But either way to whoever wants to make it a serious remark, make sure they keep it in mind.