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HometownGal
11-01-2008, 12:51 PM
WOW. I know just about everyone's mind is made up here with regard to who they are supporting in the Presidential election, but the comparisons with regard to both candidates' experience/qualifications and community involvement is astounding!!

I still cannot believe any rational person who wants to see this country prosper and grow would entrust it into the hands of someone who has so little governmental experience, basically no qualifications and obviously doesn't appear to want to be bothered with interacting with community and philanthropic organizations, not only in his own state, but throughout the country he is campaigning to preside over. :horror::jawdrop:

This comparison was taken from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, who has always leaned to the left and in this election, has endorsed Obama.

http://z4.thevoterguide.org/a-post-gazette/index.do

Comparison

John McCain
Age: 72
Home Municipality: Phoenix, AZ
Current occupation: U.S. Senator

Education/Degrees: • National War College, 1973 • United States Naval Academy, 1959

Experience/qualifications: • Senator, United States Senate, 1987-present • Representative, United States House of Representatives, 1983-1987 • Pilot, United States Navy, 1958-1981

Community Involvement: • Member, American Dream Political Action Committee, 1997-present • Member, Council on Foreign Relations, 1997-present • Honorary Board Member, Hispanic Youth Foundation, 1997-present • Honorary Board Member, The Leonard Cheshire Foundation, 1997-present • Honorary Member, National Hispanic Foundation for the Arts Advisory Council, 1997-present • Honorary Vice Chairman, New Majority Council, 1997-present • Board of Trustees, Gallaudet University, 1995-present • Founding Member, Pacific Council on International Policy, University of Southern California, 1995-present • Board of Directors, Board of Directors Chair, International Republican Institute, 1992-present • Life Member, Navy League, 1987-present • Member, The Alfalfa Club • Member, Air Force Sergeants Association • Honorary Advisor Board, Arizona Black Chamber of Commerce • Honorary Co-chairman, Advisory Board of Directors, Arizona Cancer Research Foundation • Honorary Member, Arizona Hispanic Chamber of Commerce • Complimentary Member, Association of the United States Army • Honorary Member, Barry Goldwater Foundation • Honorary Member, Fifty-Five Years and Up Incorporated • Honorary Member, Board of Regents, Francis Scott Key Foundation • Honorary Member, The John Goodwin Tower Center • Honorary Board Member, Kids Voting Arizona • Member, The Military Order of World Wars • Honorary Member, Mo Udall Foundation • Board of Directors, Nixon Center for Peace and Freedom • Member, Purple Heart Association • Member, The Retired Officers Association • Member, Sons of the Revolution in the State of Virginia • Member, U.S. Naval Academy Alumni Association • Member of Board of Visitors, US Naval Academy • Honorary Member, Board of Directors, Council of Notables, U.S.-Spain Council • Member, Veterans of Foreign Wars • Member, Vietnam Veterans Association
Campaign Phone: 703-418-2008

Web Site: www.johnmccain.com

Barack Obama
Age: 47
Home Municipality: Chicago, Illinois
Current occupation: U.S. Senator

Education/Degrees: Columbia University, BA; Harvard University, JD
Experience/qualifications: Developing Communities Project; Illinois State Senate; U.S. Senate

Community Involvement: Community organizer for Project Vote

Campaign Phone: 412-867-6773 Pittsburgh office
Web Site: www.pabarackobama.com
Email: info@paforchange.com

MACH1
11-01-2008, 12:58 PM
Obama's pretty good at dancing around the issues.

http://chicagoagainstobama.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/obamagymnastics1.jpg

Steel Duck
11-01-2008, 01:04 PM
LOL that is such a bad photoshop:laughing:

tony hipchest
11-01-2008, 02:05 PM
so now were just irrational huh? lol. its getting deep here in "the bunker".

:moon: *puts on waders*

sorry but being a member of the "alfalfa club" just isnt gonna win mccain my vote. :toofunny:

looks like being a POW has "earned" mccain alot of token achievements and honorary memberships.

i cant believe more rational people dont place such emphasis on family values. after all, isnt obama an honorary member of the "dad of the year club" and permanent fixture of the "great husband's society"? :wink: :hug:

steelerstrade
11-01-2008, 02:24 PM
Hate me all u want for this comment...

Is it Wednesday yet?

HometownGal
11-01-2008, 02:31 PM
so now were just irrational huh? lol. its getting deep here in "the bunker".

:moon: *puts on waders*

sorry but being a member of the "alfalfa club" just isnt gonna win mccain my vote. :toofunny:

looks like being a POW has "earned" mccain alot of token achievements and honorary memberships.

i cant believe more rational people dont place such emphasis on family values. after all, isnt obama an honorary member of the "dad of the year club" and permanent fixture of the "great husband's society"? :wink: :hug:

The description "irrational" is really giving you Libs too much credit. :moon::wink02: I'd have to say blindly following and voting straight party lines is more appropo, my dear hipcheese.

Y'know, not a one of you Libs has ever posted a rational (there's that word again! :wink02:) reason why you are choosing/chose to vote for Obama. Funny - another member made a big tadoo over his mistaken assumption that I voted straight GOP which I corrected him on. I've only been a member (proudly, I might add) of the GOP for a little over 4 years, but have voted for members of the Democratic party in state and local races since then. There are several Demos I will vote for in local and state races on election day. I just won't vote for Do Nuttin' and Juice. :chuckle:

I believe J-Mac being a POW, being willing to die for the country he loves, and staying actively involved in military and Veterans associations is quite honorable, Tony. If you want to believe that his "achievements" are "token", sad as it is, so be it.

In addition to McCain's "token military achievements", I found these also quite honorable:

Member, Council on Foreign Relations, 1997-present
Honorary Board Member, Hispanic Youth Foundation, 1997-present
Honorary Board Member, The Leonard Cheshire Foundation, 1997-present
Honorary Member, National Hispanic Foundation for the Arts Advisory Council, 1997-present
Honorary Vice Chairman, New Majority Council, 1997-present
Board of Trustees, Gallaudet University, 1995-present
Founding Member, Pacific Council on International Policy, University of Southern California, 1995-present
Honorary Advisor Board, Arizona Black Chamber of Commerce
Honorary Co-chairman, Advisory Board of Directors, Arizona Cancer Research Foundation
Honorary Member, Arizona Hispanic Chamber of Commerce
Honorary Member, Barry Goldwater Foundation
Honorary Member, Fifty-Five Years and Up Incorporated
Honorary Member, Board of Regents, Francis Scott Key Foundation
Honorary Member, The John Goodwin Tower Center
Honorary Board Member, Kids Voting Arizona
Board of Directors, Nixon Center for Peace and Freedom
Honorary Member, Board of Directors, Council of Notables, U.S.-Spain Council

So - what's on Obama's resume other than past and present associations with embezzlers, thieves, racists and bomb making hoodlums, smooth talk and :bs:?

tony hipchest
11-01-2008, 02:45 PM
The description "irrational" is really giving you Libs too much credit. :moon::wink02: I'd have to say blindly following and voting straight party lines is more appropo, my dear hipcheese.

Y'know, not a one of you Libs has ever posted a rational (there's that word again! :wink02:) reason why you are choosing/chose to vote for Obama. Funny - another member made a big tadoo over his mistaken assumption that I voted straight GOP which I corrected him on. I've only been a member (proudly, I might add) of the GOP for a little over 4 years, but have voted for members of the Democratic party in state and local races since then. There are several Demos I will vote for in local and state races on election day. I just won't vote for Do Nuttin' and Juice. :chuckle:

I believe J-Mac being a POW, being willing to die for the country he loves, and staying actively involved in military and Veterans associations is quite honorable, Tony. If you want to believe that his "achievements" are "token", sad as it is, so be it.

In addition to McCain's "token military achievements", I found these also quite honorable:

Member, Council on Foreign Relations, 1997-present
Honorary Board Member, Hispanic Youth Foundation, 1997-present
Honorary Board Member, The Leonard Cheshire Foundation, 1997-present
Honorary Member, National Hispanic Foundation for the Arts Advisory Council, 1997-present
Honorary Vice Chairman, New Majority Council, 1997-present
Board of Trustees, Gallaudet University, 1995-present
Founding Member, Pacific Council on International Policy, University of Southern California, 1995-present
Honorary Advisor Board, Arizona Black Chamber of Commerce
Honorary Co-chairman, Advisory Board of Directors, Arizona Cancer Research Foundation
Honorary Member, Arizona Hispanic Chamber of Commerce
Honorary Member, Barry Goldwater Foundation
Honorary Member, Fifty-Five Years and Up Incorporated
Honorary Member, Board of Regents, Francis Scott Key Foundation
Honorary Member, The John Goodwin Tower Center
Honorary Board Member, Kids Voting Arizona
Board of Directors, Nixon Center for Peace and Freedom
Honorary Member, Board of Directors, Council of Notables, U.S.-Spain Council

So - what's on Obama's resume other than past and present associations with embezzlers, thieves, racists and bomb making hoodlums, smooth talk and :bs:?

my little girl just won the citezen of the month award for kindergarteners and the perfect attendance certificate. 15 more and she's tied with mccain! :tt03:



The description "irrational" is really giving you Libs too much credit. I'd have to say blindly following and voting straight party lines is more appropo, my dear hipcheese.

Y'know, not a one of you Libs has ever posted a rational (there's that word again! ) reason why you are choosing/chose to vote for Obama.

if you wanna make it personal just dont do it in the way that jeremy did. my voting recors stands for itself. mccain had every opportunity to win my vote. selecting caribou barbie as his running mate screwed that up (as it was his 1st MAJOR executive decision).

i bet his experience in the "alfalfa club" influenced that decision...:toofunny:

tony hipchest
11-01-2008, 03:08 PM
wow. desperation is getting thick as that collar getts tighter and tighter....

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/john-mccain.jpg

"Vote for me. I have 2 dozen of these hanging in my office-"

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/TusCertSmall.jpg

word is palin has 17 stuffed and mounted dead animal parts hanging in her office, and therefore is more american and qualified than obama/biden combined. :hunch:

:wink: lol (YAY!) :cheer:...........:smile:

Hammer Of The GODS
11-01-2008, 03:37 PM
looks like being a POW has "earned" mccain alot of token achievements and honorary memberships.


In all the your posts that I have read I have honored your right to your opinion. But the above statement crossed the line. For you to marginalize his p.o.w. experience speaks to your real ignorance and no matter what comes out of your mouth from here on out I will consider your opinion in line with things like pickled egg farts!

It really shows how desperate you are to defend your position without a shred of intelligence!

Fire away at me if you wish but like I said when you speak I smell fart!

Steel Duck
11-01-2008, 03:53 PM
my little girl just won the citezen of the month award for kindergarteners and the perfect attendance certificate. 15 more and she's tied with mccain! :tt03:



if you wanna make it personal just dont do it in the way that jeremy did. my voting recors stands for itself. mccain had every opportunity to win my vote. selecting caribou barbie as his running mate screwed that up (as it was his 1st MAJOR executive decision).

i bet his experience in the "alfalfa club" influenced that decision...:toofunny:

:applaudit::thumbsup::tt03::popcorn:

tony hipchest
11-01-2008, 03:53 PM
In all the your posts that I have read I have honored your right to your opinion. But the above statement crossed the line. For you to marginalize his p.o.w. experience speaks to your real ignorance and no matter what comes out of your mouth from here on out I will consider your opinion in line with things like pickled egg farts!

It really shows how desperate you are to defend your position without a shred of intelligence!

Fire away at me if you wish but like I said when you speak I smell fart!

lol. ok.

i still dont regard showing up to an awards banquet as the highest philanthopic endeavor or dedication to community service. i recognize it as a night on the town, to be honored, in a tux and tie event, and attend a dinner with lots of applause and deserved regognition and appreciation. doesnt make one more qualified to be a president though.

john mccain is a true american hero and deserves all recognition as such. ive never waivered from that. if that speaks of my real ignorance, then so be it.

to pass it off as something that it isnt, is the real non rational travesty in my mind.

HOTG, i have also honored your views and respected your opinions (and most importantly your military service and sacrifice) and will continue to do so, despite how despicable you may think i am. :drink:

Steel Duck
11-01-2008, 03:54 PM
wow. desperation is getting thick as that collar getts tighter and tighter....

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/john-mccain.jpg

"Vote for me. I have 2 dozen of these hanging in my office-"

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/TusCertSmall.jpg

word is palin has 17 stuffed and mounted dead animal parts hanging in her office, and therefore is more american and qualified than obama/biden combined. :hunch:

:wink: lol (YAY!) :cheer:...........:smile:

:applaudit::thumbsup::toofunny:

Steel Duck
11-01-2008, 03:56 PM
lol. ok.

i still dont regard showing up to an awards banquet as the highest philanthopic endeavor or dedication to community service. i recognize it as a night on the town, to be honored, in a tux and tie event, and attend a dinner with lots of applause and deserved regognition and appreciation. doesnt make one more qualified to be a president though.

john mccain is a true american hero and deserves all recognition as such. ive never waivered from that. if that speaks of my real ignorance, then so be it.

to pass it off as something that it isnt, is the real non rational travesty in my mind.

HOTG, i have also honored your views and respected your opinions (and most importantly your military service and sacrifice) and will continue to do so, despite how despicable you may think i am. :drink:

Very well said!

devilsdancefloor
11-01-2008, 03:59 PM
In all the your posts that I have read I have honored your right to your opinion. But the above statement crossed the line. For you to marginalize his p.o.w. experience speaks to your real ignorance and no matter what comes out of your mouth from here on out I will consider your opinion in line with things like pickled egg farts!

It really shows how desperate you are to defend your position without a shred of intelligence!

Fire away at me if you wish but like I said when you speak I smell fart!

LMAO ohhhhh man pickled egg farts! :toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny: your killing me here. 2 things come to mind whe you say that 1 cool hand luke. 2. the old guys at the VFW and thinking how the hell can they eat those, their poor wives!

MACH1
11-01-2008, 04:10 PM
http://www.pheistyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/obama-sap1.jpg

HometownGal
11-01-2008, 08:41 PM
http://www.pheistyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/obama-sap1.jpg

:thumbsup::tt03::applaudit::toofunny::thumbsup:

:toofunny::applaudit::hatsoff::cheer::popcorn:

HometownGal
11-01-2008, 08:45 PM
Obama's pretty good at dancing around the issues.

http://chicagoagainstobama.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/obamagymnastics1.jpg

:thumbsup::applaudit::tt03::laughing::rofl:

:toofunny::laughing::applaudit::toofunny::popcorn:

HometownGal
11-01-2008, 09:05 PM
my little girl just won the citezen of the month award for kindergarteners and the perfect attendance certificate. 15 more and she's tied with mccain! :tt03:



if you wanna make it personal just dont do it in the way that jeremy did. my voting recors stands for itself. mccain had every opportunity to win my vote. selecting caribou barbie as his running mate screwed that up (as it was his 1st MAJOR executive decision).

i bet his experience in the "alfalfa club" influenced that decision...:toofunny:

Congrats to your little girl. :thumbsup::drink:

My reply was NOT making anything personal, Tony. Nice deflection - I would expect nothing less from you. :applaudit:

Though I've never served in the military (which I deeply regret having chosen going to college instead), I have friends who have served and are currently serving in Iraq and other parts of the world. Your reply to my first post came across as poking fun at McCain's POW experience and military honors - if you didn't mean to come across in that manner, you always have the option of editing. :drink:

McCain's community involvement doesn't just mean hanging certificates on his wall. He actively participates in most of these organizations (as does his lovely and classy wife) - not just when it benefits him to do so like Do Nuttin. He is an honorable man with a long and extremely honorable resume of almost 50 years of service to this country, not only as a Vet but as a representative of the people. He has never wavered in his love for this country and his dedication to it. That deep and abiding love was one of the many reasons I so proudly chose him as my candidate in this election. When you love something, you protect it at all costs and there is no doubt in my mind that McCain, if elected, will fight to keep this country safe and terror free.

steelwall
11-01-2008, 09:16 PM
In all the your posts that I have read I have honored your right to your opinion. But the above statement crossed the line. For you to marginalize his p.o.w. experience speaks to your real ignorance and no matter what comes out of your mouth from here on out I will consider your opinion in line with things like pickled egg farts!

It really shows how desperate you are to defend your position without a shred of intelligence!

Fire away at me if you wish but like I said when you speak I smell fart!

I guess to some people being a POW in no big deal.

I ask some of you Obama supporters, to step one foot on a battle feild. Know what it feels like to get shot. I was shot 2 times, and was a proud recipiant of the purple heart. Thats what I did for my country, and would do it again in a heartbeat. Mcain' POW experiance I'm sure was far worse than mine. You may not like the man, you don't even have to vote for him, but you should respect hisservice to this nation.

tony hipchest
11-01-2008, 09:17 PM
Congrats to your little girl. :thumbsup::drink:

My reply was NOT making anything personal, Tony. Nice deflection - I would expect nothing less from you. :applaudit:

Though I've never served in the military (which I deeply regret having chosen going to college instead), I have friends who have served and are currently serving in Iraq and other parts of the world. Your reply to my first post came across as poking fun at McCain's POW experience and military honors - if you didn't mean to come across in that manner, you always have the option of editing. :drink:

McCain's community involvement doesn't just mean hanging certificates on his wall. He actively participates in most of these organizations (as does his lovely and classy wife) - not just when it benefits him to do so like Do Nuttin. He is an honorable man with a long and extremely honorable resume of almost 50 years of service to this country, not only as a Vet but as a representative of the people. He has never wavered in his love for this country and his dedication to it. That deep and abiding love was one of the many reasons I so proudly chose him as my candidate in this election. When you love something, you protect it at all costs and there is no doubt in my mind that McCain, if elected, will fight to keep this country safe and terror free.actually youre response was making it totally personal, as i highlighted.

anyways.... :link:

show me where any of these banquet award/certificates are anything but that... (how do you know he "actively" participates in them all?)

the alfalfa club? what does he do? hand straw to a calf? :laughing:

im not slamming mccain, and MOST CERTAINLY aint poking fun at his POW experience and military honors.

there is a HUGE difference between spending 5 1/2 years in the hanoi hilton, as opposed to sitting in a banquet room and receiving a slip of paper and deserved applause.

the honorable john mccain would be the 1st one to tell you that.

oh, and i will pass on the "edit function". i only use it to add something funnier, or maybe to correct a typo, but NEVER to delete my initial point.

im one who thinks before i type.

i am tony hipchest and i approve this message

:laughing:

tony hipchest
11-01-2008, 09:37 PM
I guess to some people being a POW in no big deal.

I ask some of you Obama supporters, to step one foot on a battle feild. Know what it feels like to get shot. I was shot 2 times, and was a proud recipiant of the purple heart. Thats what I did for my country, and would do it again in a heartbeat. Mcain' POW experiance I'm sure was far worse than mine. You may not like the man, you don't even have to vote for him, but you should respect hisservice to this nation.i would step 2 feet on the battle field and spend 5 years in a camp and it still wouldnt convince me to vote for mccain.

while your post quotes HOTG it seems directed at me (since said quoted post was directed at me).

ive already said my piece to the both of y'all.

i know many veterans who would say they were no better than anybody else and that they were just doing their job. i would hope that is the case with you when it comes to expressing opinions on a messageboard.

Leftoverhard
11-02-2008, 12:43 PM
I wonder how many times Tony has been ganged up on and had his patriotism questioned on this board?

Hammer Of The GODS
11-02-2008, 01:18 PM
I wonder how many times Tony has been ganged up on and had his patriotism questioned on this board?

I don't give a damn if the Pope said it! When you cheapen a thing like being a p.o.w. to support your position on ANYTHING it speaks to your patriotism! You can NOT defend those statements. I guess its just a reflection of the democrats position on national defense. The Clintons are at the top of the list when it comes to the lack of respect and disdain towards the military. So I guess you clowns are just towing the party line. I have as much respect for ass pimples as I do the clintons and thier kool aid drinking cronies!

tony hipchest
11-02-2008, 02:10 PM
I wonder how many times Tony has been ganged up on and had his patriotism questioned on this board?

:bump: the good thing is, i have so many patriotic and pro-america posts on this board, i dont have to say much to back myself up. my posting record speaks for itself.

When you cheapen a thing like being a p.o.w. to support your position on ANYTHING it speaks to your patriotism! You can NOT defend those statements. I guess its just a reflection of the democrats position on national defense. The Clintons are at the top of the list when it comes to the lack of respect and disdain towards the military. So I guess you clowns are just towing the party line.thats complete bs. you may wanna actually check my personal stance on the military (i dont hide it) before you go off on some sort of stereotypical "all dems are this..." sort of rant against me.

just cause i respect the hell out of those who served dont mean i have to bow down and worship at their (or mccains feet). i am no less of an american because i havent taken a bullet in combat or spent time in enemy camps.

how come mccain has gotten those honorary memberships and certificates of appreciation and achievement? not all veterans get that. it is because he was a POW who later became a popular politician. making it more than what it is is whats chepening it to support a position. to make them awards out to be community service or philanthropic endeavers is total and complete misrepresentation.

mccain served his community through the naval academy, in the skies, and for 5 and a half years in the hanoi hilton. he continued to do so throughout his political career.

it is what it is. nothing more and nothing less. he deserved those awards. but now those awards are being used as a political agenda to downplay and denigrate any of obamas community involvement or accomplishments. to me, that is cheapening the sacrifice mccain made along with his sufferings.



i wrote this to steelwall a week or 2 ago, and it just as easilly could be and should be addressed to you-
thank you Hammer of the GODS
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=28321

HometownGal
11-02-2008, 03:00 PM
I wonder how many times Tony has been ganged up on and had his patriotism questioned on this board?

Considering you really haven't been here too long, I guess you wouldn't have a clue there would ya? :violin: You have the audacity to whine about someone else being ganged up on - you've done your fair share of pouncing on others around here - and then some.

On that note, I don't have to wonder how many times McCain has had his military and POW experiences maligned and made light of - there are plenty of posts here, as well as blogs and articles from liberal pundits out there to support that ignorance. :scratchchin:

Deep down, I don't believe Tony wanted to come across as though he was poking fun at J-Mac's POW/military experience, though I think his post unintentionally swayed in that direction. Though Tony and I have been at political odds for the last several months, I believe him to be a good person and not someone who would deliberately take a shot at anyone who has and will continue to sacrifice his/her life to keep this country safe and free from terrorism. We are both extremely passionate about our candidates of choice and that passion tends to erupt at times and can easily be misconstrued, as it obviously was in this case.

For the record - I proudly support and honor our military and Vets and will defend them any time their dedication or service is maligned or questioned. Our men and women who serve are not forced into combat via the draft and consists of those who voluntarily put their lives on hold and/or sacrifice those lives to protect this country we all love.

Now - I shall step down off my soap box. :chuckle:

P.S. Also for the record - NO - I'm not losing it.

tony hipchest
11-02-2008, 03:14 PM
Deep down, I don't believe Tony wanted to come across as though he was poking fun at J-Mac's POW/military experience, though I think his post unintentionally swayed in that direction. Though Tony and I have been at political odds for the last several months, I believe him to be a good person and not someone who would deliberately take a shot at anyone who has and will continue to sacrifice his/her life to keep this country safe and free from terrorism. We are both extremely passionate about our candidates of choice and that passion tends to erupt at times and can easily be misconstrued, as it obviously was in this case.

.and you would be 100% correct in those beliefs HTG. :drink:

i feel i was pretty much crystal clear. i am still taken aback how making fun of ones membership in the "alfalfa club" :chuckle: could be seen as unpatriotic. :noidea:

(hell, i'd even make fun if obama were a member of the "buckwheat" club.)

HometownGal
11-02-2008, 03:17 PM
and you would be 100% correct in those beliefs HTG. :drink:

i feel i was pretty much crystal clear. i am still taken aback how making fun of ones membership in the "alfalfa club" :chuckle: could be seen as unpatriotic. :noidea:

We don't need to rehash, hipcheese, but the offense I and others took was not because of the "alfalfa club" comment. It's all water under the bridge at this point. :drink:

tony hipchest
11-02-2008, 04:00 PM
We don't need to rehash, hipcheese, but the offense I and others took was not because of the "alfalfa club" comment. It's all water under the bridge at this point. :drink:is that a subtle hint to drop it? i would say i take my patriotism (which was called into question) just as seriously as anyone else.


so the offense taken was that i simply challenged someone elses post?

its no mystery. those "student of the month" awards are more tickets/receipts to a banquet ball than proof of active philanthropy or "community service".

it is what it is.

Hammer Of The GODS
11-02-2008, 05:48 PM
Ok this will be the last I remark on his subject.

1st of all I don't care what you've said previously about your support of the military. I don't think you get it. Your support of obama and all his skeletons over McCain puts you in the same category as him and the clintons. Your choice to take shots at his POW experience reinforces your contempt of that experience no matter what you say or how far you backtrack. Don't like it? Tough shyte! You chose your side you chose your words. So if yo don't want to be aligned with those accusations consider rethinking your choice!

The fact remains you and other dems here have made light of McCains POW experience in order to hold up your position of voting for obama. You don't like that he uses it as a platform in this election? WTF? The man has EARNED the right to use that experience as a testiment to his devotion to his country. You are just pissed that your canidate has absolutely no way to counter that experience. Invoking his POW experience as some sort of punchline will ALWAYS draw the ire of veterans!

I will be honest. I have ZERO respect for anyone who continually turns thier head to all this crap obama has been associated with. And worse yet you claim its because McCain is Bush all over again and McCain is just making it up and grasping at straws. What a sad point in American history when amidst all the threat of terrorism people are supporting a muslim with terrorist friends to be thier next president. I won't go into ALL the other shady things about this guy as they have been brought to light only to have obama supporters write it off as "negative campaigning" by MCain.

sniff sniff......I smell fart...... :wtf:

tony hipchest
11-02-2008, 06:01 PM
sniff sniff......I smell fart...... :wtf:


i suggest you just cut off your nose to spite your face then...

being against a 2 party system is about as anti american as it gets. :noidea:

Hammer Of The GODS
11-02-2008, 06:23 PM
i suggest you just cut off your nose to spite your face then...

being against a 2 party system is about as anti american as it gets. :noidea:


Nice try.

It's naive to think that a 3 party or 5 party system for that matter isn't a good idea!

Look how well the 2 party system has worked........:doh:

This board is a PERFECT example that 2 party doesn't work! One side against the other just to spite the other side! A 3rd party allows for real progress not stalemates!

Wow that was a REALLY lame shot...............:toofunny:

By the way before you go there........ I am neither left or right. I just dispise obama that much to vote right.

tony hipchest
11-02-2008, 06:29 PM
Nice try.

It's naive to think that a 3 party or 5 party system for that matter isn't a good idea!

Look how well the 2 party system has worked........:doh:

This board is a PERFECT example that 2 party doesn't work! One side against the other just to spite the other side! A 3rd party allows for real progress not stalemates!

Wow that was a REALLY lame shot...............:toofunny:

By the way before you go there........ I am neither left or right. I just dispise obama that much to vote right.
a 3 party or a 5 party system is a great idea. unfortunately the "lobbys" i.e. big money rule that too.

perhaps i shoulda just said "multiparty system". my bad.

so what was really a lame shot was assuming where i am voting this year dictates my personal stance on the military.

after all it is REALLY, REALLY naive to think that everybody who casts a vote for a democrat is anti military and unpatriotic.

BritishSteel
11-02-2008, 07:06 PM
What a sad point in American history when amidst all the threat of terrorism people are supporting a muslim with terrorist friends to be thier next president.


?

In the war on terror, don't we have more muslims on our side than they have on theirs? I don't understand the relevence, unless the inference is that all muslims aren't to be trusted.

steelwall
11-03-2008, 03:54 AM
i would step 2 feet on the battle field and spend 5 years in a camp and it still wouldnt convince me to vote for mccain.

while your post quotes HOTG it seems directed at me (since said quoted post was directed at me).

ive already said my piece to the both of y'all.

i know many veterans who would say they were no better than anybody else and that they were just doing their job. i would hope that is the case with you when it comes to expressing opinions on a messageboard.

As you know our armed services, as of now is all volunteer, there is something to be said about that I think.

No my post was not directed at you Toney, I know what you said to me in the past and I believe you. As I said, and will say again I think you are a patriot. My post was actually directed a steelduckling.

Steel Duck
11-03-2008, 05:11 AM
As you know our armed services, as of now is all volunteer, there is something to be said about that I think.

No my post was not directed at you Toney, I know what you said to me in the past and I believe you. As I said, and will say again I think you are a patriot. My post was actually directed a steelduckling.

Funny...all I did in this thread was agree with Tony....
Attacking my political views is one thing..but do not attack me personally. By calling me a "duckling" you are insinuating that I am either young in years or worse, young in mentality. I assure you I am neither.
I am a 36 year old intelligent, opinionated, strong women. I do not attack others personally because their views are different than mine, nor do I look down on anyone for belonging to the other political party. Yes, I try to act like an adult and I suggest you do the same.

(This is now the second time you have done this)

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-03-2008, 06:55 AM
Just saw this thread as I have been gone for 4 days....just wanted to give my 2 bits.


1) Any P.O.W. (especially one who chooses to stay with his buddies instead of taking the easy track out) deserves recognition....and for ANYONE to call that recognition "Token" is simply being an asshat......period.....(and those who want to add clapping smilies to such a statement is an A.B.A.....asshat by association)

2) I have seen Tony sticking up for the military...have seen Tony express his patriotism....THOSE THINGS SHOULDd NEVER BE QUESTIONED.....but in this case I think Tony unfortunately let partisan politics cloud his judgment, and made a comment that was unfortunate and mean-spirited.

3) It is easier to take the path of least resistance and continue to belittle/downplay everything about McCain/Palin ...instead of stepping up and giving substantive information about the qualifications of ones own candidate....

fansince'76
11-03-2008, 08:32 AM
Funny...all I did in this thread was agree with Tony....
Attacking my political views is one thing..but do not attack me personally. By calling me a "duckling" you are insinuating that I am either young in years or worse, young in mentality. I assure you I am neither.
I am a 36 year old intelligent, opinionated, strong women. I do not attack others personally because their views are different than mine, nor do I look down on anyone for belonging to the other political party. Yes, I try to act like an adult and I suggest you do the same.

(This is now the second time you have done this)

1.Posting smilies in order to cheerlead others' posts isn't "acting like an adult."

2. Yes, you DO look down on others who don't share your viewpoint, and this subforum is full of examples of it. Someone took you to task for it, and it really wasn't even that much of an "insult." If you're gonna dish it out, you better be able to take it.

3. You said in another thread that you tend not to discuss politics with your friends who hold different political views. I can see why (see #2 above). But if you're gonna do it here, a word of advice: you'd better grow a thicker skin than you currently have.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-03-2008, 08:39 AM
1.Posting smilies in order to cheerlead others' posts isn't "acting like an adult."

2. Yes, you DO look down on others who don't share your viewpoint, and this subforum is full of examples of it. Someone took you to task for it, and it really wasn't even that much of an "insult." If you're gonna dish it out, you better be able to take it.

3. You said in another thread that you tend not to discuss politics with your friends who hold different political views. I can see why (see #2 above). But if you're gonna do it here, a word of advice: you'd better grow a thicker skin than you currently have.

:chuckle::laughing::applaudit:

(hope I used the right smilies)

GBMelBlount
11-03-2008, 08:40 AM
Just saw this thread as I have been gone for 4 days....just wanted to give my 2 bits.


2) I have seen Tony sticking up for the military...have seen Tony express his patriotism....THOSE THINGS SHOULDd NEVER BE QUESTIONED.....

3) It is easier to take the path of least resistance and continue to belittle/downplay everything about McCain/Palin ...instead of stepping up and giving substantive information about the qualifications of ones own candidate....

Well said LLT. :thumbsup:

ANYONE who has read ALL of Tony's posts cannot say he is unpatriotic imo.

I also agree it is best to offer substance over bashing on both sides.

Leftoverhard
11-03-2008, 09:13 AM
Considering you really haven't been here too long, I guess you wouldn't have a clue there would ya? :violin:

HTG - In my short time here on SF, I've seen this scenario happen quite a few times, so my rhetorical question was asking - If it's happened enough for me to notice it in my time here, how many times has it happened before I got here? My patriotism has been questioned plenty here as well. No need for violins, I can handle myself.

You have the audacity to whine about someone else being ganged up on - you've done your fair share of pouncing on others around here - and then some.


Not whining, I don't see how it looked like that. Maybe we need a :not whining: smiley? IMHO, my pouncing has been to call out things that don't get called out enough here. I think if someone (including myself) is ballsy enough to post something inflammatory on this forum, they should be ready to back it up/defend it/post intelligent responses. I don't know about the "and then some" part. I'm pretty respectful here.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-03-2008, 09:20 AM
I think if someone (including myself) is ballsy enough to post something inflammatory on this forum, they should be ready to back it up/defend it/post intelligent responses. .

....and yet when we have respectfully asked you what qualifications your candidate possesses that made you want to vote for him....you have failed to back it up/defend it/post an intelligent response.

There is a core group in this forum that believes attacking the other parties candidate somehow equates in some way to qualifying their own candidate.....and still the question goes unanswered.

HometownGal
11-03-2008, 09:47 AM
HTG - In my short time here on SF, I've seen this scenario happen quite a few times, so my rhetorical question was asking - If it's happened enough for me to notice it in my time here, how many times has it happened before I got here? My patriotism has been questioned plenty here as well. No need for violins, I can handle myself.



The way I look at it, Leftover, is that if a member doesn't want their post questioned and/or attacked, maybe they should re-read it several times to make sure it isn't coming across in an inflammatory or degrading fashion. I myself have been guilty in the past of posting something that came across totally opposite of the way I intended it, but when that has happened, I edit my post (not removing any of the original content) by typing the word "EDIT:" under the original post and clarifying my statement(s). It's really very simple, not underhanded and doesn't hide what was originally posted.

Not whining, I don't see how it looked like that. Maybe we need a :not whining: smiley? IMHO, my pouncing has been to call out things that don't get called out enough here. I think if someone (including myself) is ballsy enough to post something inflammatory on this forum, they should be ready to back it up/defend it/post intelligent responses. I don't know about the "and then some" part. I'm pretty respectful here

We're going to have to agree to disagree here, Leftover. For whatever reason, I keep seeing the smack "intelligent responses" volleyed around here by you leftists directed at those who don't support your candidate. Please don't assume that because us McCain/Palin supporters don't drink the Obama Kool-Aid that we don't and can't post intelligent retorts and opinions that can and have been backed up. Unfortunately, however, not a one of you on the left has answered a couple of very simple questions posed to you by just about every McCain supporter on the board over the past several months. You know what those questions are, I'm sure. :wink02: