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Makaveli
11-01-2008, 02:46 PM
I am fully aware that talking politics is more often that not,.. useless. As people will stand vehemently behind whatever their beliefs happen to be regardless of anything else.

But with that said,....i was wondering,....how can any person whom makes less than even 40 grand a year consider themselves Republican ?

Let alone those whose annual income is anywhere between 10 and 20 g's.

Even for those of us whom do make more than the 50k mark,.....your not wealthy enough to actually consider yourself an "elitist" with a straight face.

So how is this so ? (supporting a party composed of individuals that are ONLY concerned with the financial wellbeing of themselves and others that they consider their "peers") Those whom make MORE than 250,000 annually. (the ELITE)

Hammer Of The GODS
11-01-2008, 03:04 PM
Whaaat?

I have run the gauntlet so to speak from my youth living with a single parent(mom) and having almost nothing to being a US Marine making a puny 21k a year while fighting terrorist all the way to where I am today living in a new home and residing in the 50 to 60k income area. Yet I affiliate myself with NO PARTY!

The feel of your question suggests that I shouldn't vote McCain because he only looks out for the elite!

WRONG! I am voting McCain because obama is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what I want in a president! He is an inexperienced lying socialist who pals around with terrorist and prays at the feet of a man who HATES white America!

My vote has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with party affiliation! Or the color of his skin for that matter!

devilsdancefloor
11-01-2008, 03:05 PM
I am fully aware that talking politics is more often that not,.. useless. As people will stand vehemently behind whatever their beliefs happen to be regardless of anything else.

But with that said,....i was wondering,....how can any person whom makes less than even 40 grand a year consider themselves Republican ?

Let alone those whose annual income is anywhere between 10 and 20 g's.

Even for those of us whom do make more than the 50k mark,.....your not wealthy enough to actually consider yourself an "elitist" with a straight face.

So how is this so ? (supporting a party composed of individuals that are ONLY concerned with the financial wellbeing of themselves and others that they consider their "peers") Those whom make MORE than 250,000 annually. (the ELITE)


Honestly being a republican has NOTHING to do with how much money i make (The 40k mark is close enough) . i consider myself a republican because the party has some of the same beliefs i have. And your last paragraph doesnt really describe the republican party if ya look close you are describing the democrats. And as far as elitism goes look at the democratic party is FULL of elitist.

Leftoverhard
11-01-2008, 03:10 PM
Makaveli - There are a lot of social issues that people vote on, some are single issue voters, some believe the hype, just like they would accuse people who are voting for Obama. I personally think there is a lot of fear involved but that is my opinion.

X-Terminator
11-01-2008, 03:21 PM
First of all, you're making the mistaken assumption that Republicans only care about "the rich." Your average conservative does care about the average Joe. They want the average Joe to become better off financially - through their own blood, sweat and tears. The average conservative also does not mind the government giving those who are struggling a helping hand toward becoming better off financially, despite the constant assumption that they do. Think of all of the charitable organizations that are run by conservatives that receive millions of dollars a year. If they truly didn't care about the average Joe or the less-fortunate, why would they bother? They just don't like people who are lazy and do nothing to earn that money, yet expect the government (taxpayers) to support them in the form of handouts. I'm not a Republican or a true conservative, but I don't disagree with that sentiment. At the same time, they don't believe that a person or business should be punished via excessively high taxes just because they happened to become successful and/or wealthy, and that being so requires them to forfeit their right to complain when someone comes along that proposes tax increases. They are the producers in this country, the ones who hire the people who make $50,000 or less, and conservatives feel that they should be treated fairly when it comes to taxation. I cannot disagree with that either. You start taking more money away from businesses, making it more expensive for them to do business, and you risk putting more people out of work, significant price increases on goods and services since those tax increases would be passed on to consumers, more layoffs, more outsourcing of jobs, businesses moving overseas to more business-friendly countries and thus taking their potential tax revenue with them, using loopholes to significantly reduce their tax burden...and those are just the ones off the top of my head. That's why it seems like conservatives only care about the rich, when it's more accurate that they want the rich to be treated no differently than anyone else.

tony hipchest
11-01-2008, 03:24 PM
heres another question. the media (tv networks, periodicals, newspapers, hollywood etc...) is big, no HUGE money!

how could an entire conglomerate that has so much money to lose, back a liberal "socialist" in a "left wing conspiracy"?

by the same token, how could so many rich republicans and organizations who are so against these financial losses, pretty much tuck their wallets and quit giving and contributing to mccains "give to the rich" campaign?

Steel Duck
11-01-2008, 03:36 PM
WRONG! I am voting McCain because obama is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what I want in a president! He is an inexperienced lying socialist who pals around with terrorist and prays at the feet of a man who HATES white America!

My vote has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with party affiliation! Or the color of his skin for that matter!

So, in other words you're not voting on the issues.

Steel Duck
11-01-2008, 03:44 PM
I should have added....
My sister is voting republican....read her beliefs and tell what you think of this...

She is pro choice
anti gun
pro animal rights
pro gay marriage
is an ATHIEST

These are her most important beliefs....and yet she is voting republican...always has...
When I pointed out these things out to her....Showing her the contradiction between her core beliefs and the core values of the republican party, she just replied... "Oh well, I like McCain better"

This is the same person who told me after the election in 2000 "Don't be so worked up about Bush winning...He can't do that much damage"

And this person has the right to vote.......:doh:

I respect a republican that stands by their beliefs and votes according to them. I however can't respect someone who votes just cause they like him....

Hammer Of The GODS
11-01-2008, 03:57 PM
So, in other words you're not voting on the issues.

Wow. Your ability to perpetrate your intelligence while remaining clueless astounds me! Please stop your attempts to descredit my posts because I have already proven you will not succeed.

I've tried to be respectful but you continue to try and goat me into your world of rhetoric. I would put you on my ignore list but there is some humor in your diatribe. :chuckle:

So before this gets out of control like our last arguement I will end it by making this my last response to your attempts to argue for the sake of argueing.

X-Terminator
11-01-2008, 03:57 PM
I should have added....
My sister is voting republican....read her beliefs and tell what you think of this...

She is pro choice
anti gun
pro animal rights
pro gay marriage
is an ATHIEST

These are her most important beliefs....and yet she is voting republican...always has...
When I pointed out these things out to her....Showing her the contradiction between her core beliefs and the core values of the republican party, she just replied... "Oh well, I like McCain better"

This is the same person who told me after the election in 2000 "Don't be so worked up about Bush winning...He can't do that much damage"

And this person has the right to vote.......:doh:

I respect a republican that stands by their beliefs and votes according to them. I however can't respect someone who votes just cause they like him....

WOW...I'd say she's confused. Sadly though, a lot of people are like her and vote for candidates because "they like him." Dems seem to do this a lot more than Repubs, though. :wink02::stirthepot:

revefsreleets
11-01-2008, 04:06 PM
Accepting the question as is, when I was in college I made practically no money, but that was when I forged my strongest ties to the Republican Party. Why? Because fiscal conservatism is the backbone of this country. Containing spending while promoting growth is the right and smart policy both in the micro and macrocosm. I also agree that we should always "talk softly but carry a big stick", while many liberals naively believe that World Peace is actually some kind of achievable goal. It is. On the fictional TV show Star Trek. In the real world we need to maintain our hyper-power status at all costs so the more idealistic and unrealistic people actually have a country where they are free to believe whatever it is they want to believe. It's also a springboard to maintaining order in the rest of the World, a large portion of which is run by animals who are hell-bent on destroying everything we stand for (on both sides of the aisle).

Social values shift. Mine have. I'm a thousand times "more liberal" in my social views than I was in school, and I attribute a lot of that to increased awareness of the world I live in and the diversity of the people who live there, and an open mind always looking to learn more. As soon as you think you "know something" you've just closed yourself off to every learning anything more or new on that subject.

Getting back on track, until I see any evidence that Democrats are ever going to do anything other than spend money by increasing taxes, and playing dangerous games with our military power, I will not be swayed over to "the dark side" no matter how attractive their social platform is. Social issues don't build and destroy countries, economic and military issues do.

Steel Duck
11-01-2008, 04:15 PM
Accepting the question as is, when I was in college I made practically no money, but that was when I forged my strongest ties to the Republican Party. Why? Because fiscal conservatism is the backbone of this country. Containing spending while promoting growth is the right and smart policy both in the micro and macrocosm. I also agree that we should always "talk softly but carry a big stick", while many liberals naively believe that World Peace is actually some kind of achievable goal. It is. On the fictional TV show Star Trek. In the real world we need to maintain our hyper-power status at all costs so the more idealistic and unrealistic people actually have a country where they are free to believe whatever it is they want to believe. It's also a springboard to maintaining order in the rest of the World, a large portion of which is run by animals who are hell-bent on destroying everything we stand for (on both sides of the aisle).

Social values shift. Mine have. I'm a thousand times "more liberal" in my social views than I was in school, and I attribute a lot of that to increased awareness of the world I live in and the diversity of the people who live there, and an open mind always looking to learn more. As soon as you think you "know something" you've just closed yourself off to every learning anything more or new on that subject.

Getting back on track, until I see any evidence that Democrats are ever going to do anything other than spend money by increasing taxes, and playing dangerous games with our military power, I will not be swayed over to "the dark side" no matter how attractive their social platform is. Social issues don't build and destroy countries, economic and military issues do.

I can't say that I agree with you 100% here...but I can say that in all sincerity I admire and respect you intensly. Thank you for posting this!!!!

revefsreleets
11-01-2008, 04:26 PM
It's not something I take lightly. My social "agenda" falls almost lockstep with that of a moderate center-left Democrat (scarily, my social policy is almost exactly that of [gasp!] Bill Clinton's). I've spent a lot of time wrestling with these pulls from both sides.

I don't agree with much of what my party stands for now, but, given all that, I still find the Democratic party the greater of two evils.

I can't vote for Obama because he is masquerading his uber-left leaning fiscal policy under the mask of some kind of Reagan/Clinton hybrid campaign rhetoric. As soon as he gets in office he'll peel off that mask and show his true stripes.

Makaveli
11-01-2008, 05:41 PM
Interesting answers all. I was just curious as to what degree xenophobia, bigotry and or bitterness over one's shortcomings in terms of their lifestyle and or "means" played a role in their "party" allegiance in terms of considering themselves Democrat or Republican.

Personally,....i wouldn't consider myself either. I have this nasty habit of seeing through anyone's BS. And tend to only focus upon whats of actual importance,....the greatness and or wellbeing of one's Nation as a whole.

With that said,....i look forward to the upcoming "Decision" day with great deal interest. As in my opinion,..it will go a long way towards showing the rest of the World just how we have evolved,... or remained the same as a Nation. Even if are limited in terms of "options"

Makaveli
11-01-2008, 05:52 PM
Accepting the question as is, when I was in college I made practically no money, but that was when I forged my strongest ties to the Republican Party. Why? Because fiscal conservatism is the backbone of this country. Containing spending while promoting growth is the right and smart policy both in the micro and macrocosm. I also agree that we should always "talk softly but carry a big stick", while many liberals naively believe that World Peace is actually some kind of achievable goal. It is. On the fictional TV show Star Trek. In the real world we need to maintain our hyper-power status at all costs so the more idealistic and unrealistic people actually have a country where they are free to believe whatever it is they want to believe. It's also a springboard to maintaining order in the rest of the World, a large portion of which is run by animals who are hell-bent on destroying everything we stand for (on both sides of the aisle).

Social values shift. Mine have. I'm a thousand times "more liberal" in my social views than I was in school, and I attribute a lot of that to increased awareness of the world I live in and the diversity of the people who live there, and an open mind always looking to learn more. As soon as you think you "know something" you've just closed yourself off to every learning anything more or new on that subject.

Getting back on track, until I see any evidence that Democrats are ever going to do anything other than spend money by increasing taxes, and playing dangerous games with our military power, I will not be swayed over to "the dark side" no matter how attractive their social platform is. Social issues don't build and destroy countries, economic and military issues do.

Exceptionally well said. You sound,.. dare i say,..enlightened ?

revefsreleets
11-01-2008, 06:04 PM
Tryin' my best to live my life that way every day...