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KeiselPower99
11-01-2008, 11:47 PM
I know there are a few people in here who support Barack Obama, but as a Independant Conservative, please explain to me the policies of barack obama, and how they would help America. I am trying to understand a few things about him. I trust you all, as part of the Steelers family, to help me.

Thanks

PisnNapalm
11-02-2008, 07:20 AM
http://obama-mccain.info/index-obama-mccain.php

Leftoverhard
11-02-2008, 12:38 PM
KP99 - That's a very broad question. Many of us on this board who support Obama have listed these things in the locker room already, numerous times. Feel free to search my posts. If you're torn between Obama and McCain, you may have to boil it down to a few issues, which depends on which kind of conservative you are. If you're a social conservative, then McCain is for you.

43Hitman
11-02-2008, 01:48 PM
And if your a socialist, then Barack Hussein Obama is for you.

Steel Duck
11-02-2008, 01:54 PM
This was a post I made on another thread regarding my decision to vote for Obama...


And YES there are some democrats here who CAN be bi-partisn. Do you want to know when I decided I was going to vote for Obama????? It was 3 weeks after McCain announced his VP candidate. Up to that point I was on the fence. AFTERALL my candidate lost in the primary and honestly I was more than just a little pissed off Obama didn't choose Hillary as his running mate.
I had to put my personal feelings aside....my fears of flawed characteristics...and base my vote ONLY on the issues that are important to me. I had to support the person running who would best represent my beliefs in Washington. THIS WAS NOT AN EASY TASK FOR ME!
Having said all that, I am proud of my decision, and proud that I voted for Obama! (yes I voted early) The last few weeks of the McCain campaign has only nullified my decision....McCain will stop at nothing to win...
My personal opinion about Palin, is that she was choosen because it was thought she could win the election for McCain...She wasn't choosen because she was the best candidate for this country.
Opposite for Obama...he could have choosen Hillary as a running mate..and ya know what? If he had, he would have closed this deal a long time ago....He had 19 million reasons to choose Hillary..and only 1 reason to choose Biden....Biden was the best candidate for our country.

Leftoverhard
11-02-2008, 01:59 PM
And if your a socialist, then Barack Hussein Obama is for you.

There's an old Chinese proverb about age and shoe size but I don't remember it - it's been too long since I had to use it.

xfl2001fan
11-02-2008, 01:59 PM
Which issues is Obama best for? What has he done to make anyone believe he'll actually follow through on what his (evershifting) campaign has been promising?

MACH1
11-02-2008, 02:51 PM
If you want to support poor(lazy) people and spread the wealth, vote for Obama. If you want gun control vote Obama. If you want to tax business's so much that the either go under or move out of the country vote Obama. If you want someone to sit down and talk with terrorists vote Obama.

Among many other things the "real" media refuses to report about Barack Hussein Obama

RunWillieRun
11-02-2008, 03:39 PM
Obama: I will not opt out of public financing!

Obama: I am opting out of public financing.

This is all I need to know right here. He basically has no record what-so-ever to judge his ACTIONS on. All he does is talk, and when he lies like the above example, I have no reason to trust ANYTHING he says.

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tony hipchest
11-02-2008, 05:09 PM
:rolleyes:

george bush sr.-

"Read my lips... No new taxes!"

thats all i need to know about the republican party.

MACH1
11-02-2008, 05:38 PM
Obama-

"Spread the Wealth"

That's all I need to know.

tony hipchest
11-02-2008, 05:41 PM
Obama-

"Spread the Wealth"

That's all I need to know.so youre voting for joe the plumber? :sofunny:

MACH1
11-02-2008, 05:44 PM
so youre voting for joe the plumber? :sofunny:

Nah..I was thinking Tito the Builder. :flap:

KeiselPower99
11-03-2008, 12:57 AM
Obama has to many shady dealings to really get my vote. And this whole thing about taxing coal mines till the bankrupt scares me. To be quite honest neither Obama or McCain excite me. I will vote for McCain. He seems like the one with common sense and honestly cares for America and its Military. And this whole distribution of wealth is only good if your a lazy welfare case.

augustashark
11-03-2008, 01:47 AM
Obama: I will not opt out of public financing!

Obama: I am opting out of public financing.

This is all I need to know right here. He basically has no record what-so-ever to judge his ACTIONS on. All he does is talk, and when he lies like the above example, I have no reason to trust ANYTHING he says.

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Nice post runwillie. However you will not get a response to your post. All the libs here will spew the "he lied" comment all over any republican, but will never admit that one of the first executive decisions the O had to make he lied about. Just wait, IF he is elected he will not lower taxes. He will tell you the reason is because of the economic downturn, but none of these libs here will say he lied.

MasterOfPuppets
11-03-2008, 02:15 AM
IF he is elected he will not lower taxes. wow!!! a politician lying??? noway !!! thats unheard of !!! this look / sound familiar ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5DZBFbMdjI

RunWillieRun
11-03-2008, 06:20 AM
:rolleyes:

george bush sr.-

"Read my lips... No new taxes!"

thats all i need to know about the republican party.


Automatic response to any obama critisizim: BLAME A BUSH!

How about directly responding the post instead of deflecting?

I was not old enough to vote for Bush Sr. but I would not have voted for him in his second term bid.

BTW...I like your broad generalization about 'all i need to know about the republican party.' Most of us here know that republicans and democrats have different politics and we are capable of critisizing on individual, not sterotypical bases. Way to show your true colors though, thanks!

RunWillieRun
11-03-2008, 06:26 AM
wow!!! a politician lying??? noway !!! thats unheard of !!! this look / sound familiar ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5DZBFbMdjI


Yes...and I am openly critical of Bush Sr. for it and would not have voted for him for re-election if I was old enough then.

Now...after that lame attempt of deflection, please address why I should trust anything Obama says after his obvious public financing lie. (Hint: a reasonable answer should be about trusting OBAMA, and thus should not include the names Bush, McCain, Palin, Cheney, Bush Sr., Nixon, Reagan, etc.) Thanks!

ohiosteelerfan20
11-03-2008, 06:42 AM
Here are the three main reasons not to vote for Obama.

1. You like the direction the country is in right now.

2. You make over 250 thousand a year and or your buisness deals with those that make over 250 thousand a year.

3. You want a woman not to have a choice or you are worried about some gays getting married.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-03-2008, 07:23 AM
Here are the three main reasons not to vote for Obama.

1. You like the direction the country is in right now.



Bush isnt running...thought you knew that...its in all the papers.

There will be a new President in the White House REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS!!:doh::doh:

That also leaves out the reasoning that a...lets say...socialist....may make things worse

2. You make over 250 thousand a year and or your buisness deals with those that make over 250 thousand a year.

Or you work for someone who makes over $250,000 a year and YOU are one of their inevitable layoffs.....(follow the logic?)

3. You want a woman not to have a choice or you are worried about some gays getting married

The first part I agree with...Obama is your man if....you believe in partial birth abortions (in which a fully formed baby is pulled out feet first until only the head is left inside the mother....and then a doctor severs the infants spinal cord)
http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/diagram.html

....or you believe that a child that was being aborted who survives the procedure....should be denied medical treatement and either be suffocated or left to die....
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121261107480446197.html

...however....you are wrong about Obama and his supporting gay marriage....you might want to do research before you try and convince folks about something that you are uniformed about....see the link below
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/01/MN8J11I731.DTL&type=politics

RunWillieRun
11-03-2008, 07:50 AM
Here are the three main reasons not to vote for Obama.

1. You like the direction the country is in right now.

2. You make over 250 thousand a year and or your buisness deals with those that make over 250 thousand a year.

3. You want a woman not to have a choice or you are worried about some gays getting married.


Fail.

Obama opposes gay marriage.

Inform yourself.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-03-2008, 07:51 AM
Fail.

Obama opposes gay marriage.

Inform yourself.

:thumbsup:

Exactly!!!!

revefsreleets
11-03-2008, 09:18 AM
:rolleyes:

george bush sr.-

"Read my lips... No new taxes!"

thats all i need to know about the republican party.

The ultimate irony is that it was this modest gas tax increase enacted by Bush that REALLY resulted in the "Clinton budget surplus" by the end of the decade. Double whammy. Bush, in order to remain ficsally responsible and try and balance the budget, almost certainly lost the election due to this reversal, and then, to add insult to injury, his legacy is lost because Slick Willie claimed the balanced budget as his own since it happened during his term.

43Hitman
11-03-2008, 05:55 PM
There's an old Chinese proverb about age and shoe size but I don't remember it - it's been too long since I had to use it.

Or your just old and bitter like the people in PA that cling to their guns and religion.

By the way if you want to insult me with back door comments. You don't have to. I am more than capable of handling your snide remarks right up front.

Typical passive aggressive liberal.

Leftoverhard
11-04-2008, 09:15 AM
Or your just old and bitter like the people in PA that cling to their guns and religion.

?

By the way if you want to insult me with back door comments. You don't have to. I am more than capable of handling your snide remarks right up front.

Typical passive aggressive liberal.

Hey angry dude, I was just replying to your own backdoor comment, lighten up. When you make one liner comments that call over half the country socialists (including me) then expect call outs. There's another old Chinese proverb about dishing things out. :wave:

cubanstogie
11-04-2008, 09:37 AM
Here are the three main reasons not to vote for Obama.

1. You like the direction the country is in right now.

2. You make over 250 thousand a year and or your buisness deals with those that make over 250 thousand a year.

3. You want a woman not to have a choice or you are worried about some gays getting married.
Actually here is the list
His spiritual mentor is a racist who hates America.
He supports abortion of a fetus up to 8 1/2 months.
He lies, lies, lies
His economic plan will return us to the days of Jimmy Carter. He wants to penalize the most productive members of society (financially) and give to the most unproductive and undeserving.
Has party's with unrepentant terrorists
Soft on crime, he opposed punishment for gang members
he voted against keeping pedophiles in prison for there term
he is for open borders

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 09:42 AM
:rolleyes:

george bush sr.-

"Read my lips... No new taxes!"

thats all i need to know about the republican party.

Really?

Within the last several months you posted about how you may go either way in this election....and led people to believe that you were "independent" in regards to how you approached politics....and only as of late have been "enlightened" as to voting for the Dem ticket.

But now you say that a quote from 1988....twenty years ago...taught you ALL that you need to know about the Republican party.

Are you being dishonest now....or was it over the last several months?

I guess you can be whatever you want to be in a forum....Not a big deal...it is what it is.

revefsreleets
11-04-2008, 09:45 AM
What about "I did not have sexual relations with that woman...Miss Lewinsky".

MACH1
11-04-2008, 10:03 AM
Obama's still a member of the hate mongering Trinity United Church.

Hammer67
11-04-2008, 10:12 AM
Man...I sure hope, if Obama is elected, that at least the house of reps gets some counter balance and boots some of the Dems out. Considering their approval ratings are lower then Bush's.

revefsreleets
11-04-2008, 10:18 AM
I wa listening to NPR today and they were pretty sure that the Senate is going to reach 60 Dem seats, meaning the Democrats will have a fillibuster-proof majority.

So much for checks and balances.

Hammer67
11-04-2008, 10:27 AM
I wa listening to NPR today and they were pretty sure that the Senate is going to reach 60 Dem seats, meaning the Democrats will have a fillibuster-proof majority.

So much for checks and balances.

Baffling to me....it's funny you don't here many Libs saying "It's congress's fault!".....as if Bush is all powerful and the Democratic congress has no impact on any of this...

revefsreleets
11-04-2008, 10:35 AM
Look at this way: When the country REALLY goes to Hell in a handbasket over the next 4, the GOP can play saviour, because the Dems will have no one to point fingers at but themselves...

MACH1
11-04-2008, 10:37 AM
Look at this way: When the country REALLY goes to Hell in a handbasket over the next 4, the GOP can play saviour, because the Dems will have no one to point fingers at but themselves...

Some how I think they'll still try to blame it all on Bush.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 10:50 AM
Some how I think they'll still try to blame it all on Bush.

Nope...they will play divisive politics and convince the sheep that everything is the fault of someone else who either has to much money...too much influence...etc....and that they are just victims that only the "champions of social injustices" can help.

cubanstogie
11-04-2008, 10:55 AM
Did anyone see Obama interviewed by Couric. He stated if his Aunt was here illegally she should be deported. I couldn't believe he had a straight face when saying it. Here is a guy who wants open borders for all but pretends to want to send his aunt back to Kenya. He probably doesn't want to have to redistribute his family wealth to other family members so is sending her packing.

tony hipchest
11-04-2008, 11:03 AM
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Did anyone see Obama interviewed by Couric. He stated if his Aunt was here illegally she should be deported. I couldn't believe he had a straight face when saying it. what?!?!?!?

a presidential candidate who wants to abide by the law?!?!?!?

what an evil bad man!.:rolleyes:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 11:03 AM
If you want someone to follow the policies of George Bush and views politics and makes political decisions the way George Bush had for the past 8 years vote for McCain...

If you are happy with the way this country is right now today.... Vote McCain.
If you think George Bush is a great president... Vote McCain.

If you want change... if you want an energetic president that is for the middle class americans vote for Obama.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 11:04 AM
Look at this way: When the country REALLY goes to Hell in a handbasket over the next 4, the GOP can play saviour, because the Dems will have no one to point fingers at but themselves...

George Bush

revefsreleets
11-04-2008, 11:05 AM
Well, folks, there it is...

It was, is, and always shall be: George Bush's fault.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 11:12 AM
Well, folks, there it is...

It was, is, and always shall be: George Bush's fault.

True Story

I believe we will see a record number of voters this year, Obama will win over 300 electoral votes, and the people will send a message that they are tired of incompetence in the white house.

McCain should have been president the first time he ran.

With that said:
I like McCain, think he is a good honest guy, However, he agrees with bush too much and that hurts him, and he made a horrible choice for vice president.
Had he chosed Tom Ridge from PA, i might have voted for him.....

cubanstogie
11-04-2008, 11:13 AM
what?!?!?!?

a presidential candidate who wants to abide by the law?!?!?!?

what an evil bad man!.:rolleyes:

The point is you people buy into that crap. Evil man, your right for neglecting an aunt and poor brother. Family comes first. I would actually have some respect for the guy if he came out and said I will do what it takes to keep her here as opposed to some stone face cold man. Keep drinking the kool aid.

RunWillieRun
11-04-2008, 11:16 AM
George Bush


So you blame Bush for the past 8 years and then you'll blame Bush again if Obama is president and things don't go well the next 4 years?

Better cover-up...your bias is showing.

revefsreleets
11-04-2008, 11:16 AM
True Story

I believe we will see a record number of voters this year, Obama will win over 300 electoral votes, and the people will send a message that they are tired of incompetence in the white house.

McCain should have been president the first time he ran.

With that said:
I like McCain, think he is a good honest guy, However, he agrees with bush too much and that hurts him, and he made a horrible choice for vice president.
Had he chosed Tom Ridge from PA, i might have voted for him.....

Good thing you weren't at Jonestown...

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 11:22 AM
Good thing you weren't at Jonestown...

Why is that

revefsreleets
11-04-2008, 11:26 AM
Why is that

http://prorev.com/JONESTOWN2.jpg

fansince'76
11-04-2008, 11:31 AM
I like McCain, think he is a good honest guy, However, he agrees with bush too much and that hurts him, and he made a horrible choice for vice president.
Had he chosed Tom Ridge from PA, i might have voted for him.....

Yup, I believe that. I also believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and that the moon is made of green cheese.

cubanstogie
11-04-2008, 11:36 AM
Yup, I believe that. I also believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and that the moon is made of green cheese.

Its funny how these libs try to act like they are open minded. If McCain didn't pick Palin I would have thought about voting for him is typical lib BS. Yeah right she swayed your vote because she is too religious, she actually cares about babies, thinks people deserve to keep the money they make. I will admit I don't care who is on the ticket, I would never vote for Hussein Hood.

Hammer67
11-04-2008, 11:37 AM
Wow...Jonestown reference...probably the most punishing kool aid statement I have ever seen!!!!

tony hipchest
11-04-2008, 11:38 AM
Its funny how these libs try to act like they are open minded. If McCain didn't pick Palin I would have thought about voting for him is typical lib BS. Yeah right she swayed your vote because she is too religious, she actually cares about babies, thinks people deserve to keep the money they make. I will admit I don't care who is on the ticket, I would never vote for Hussein Hood....thats cause youre not very "open minded". atleast you dont pretend to be. :drink:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 11:39 AM
Yup, I believe that. I also believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and that the moon is made of green cheese.

lol... no really i do like McCain...
I do not vote by party I vote the candidate....If McCain pulls off an upset I just hope he stays healty and Palin never gets to take over

tony hipchest
11-04-2008, 11:40 AM
Wow...Jonestown reference...probably the most punishing kool aid statement I have ever seen!!!!well that is where the term "drinking the kool-aid" came from. :hunch:

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 11:41 AM
Yup, I believe that. I also believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and that the moon is made of green cheese.

I have been up to my hips in that green cheese of hypocrisy....

"How dare you continue to ask me questions that I can't answer"....My inability to provide facts is YOUR fault!!!:crying01:

tony hipchest
11-04-2008, 11:41 AM
lol... no really i do like McCain...
I do not vote by party I vote the candidatenope. youre not allowed. they all say so. :rolleyes:

tony hipchest
11-04-2008, 11:42 AM
someone has MANY questions that need answered. i see a couch in their future.

:couch:

revefsreleets
11-04-2008, 11:44 AM
well that is where the term "drinking the kool-aid" came from. :hunch:

I think maybe he meant the picture...it's not usually presented so graphically.

Sometimes it's good to remind people what drinking the Kool Aid can result in...

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 11:44 AM
nope. youre not allowed. they all say so. :rolleyes:

I quess we can all be hypocrits and spend months on this board pretending to be someone that we're not...right Tony?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 11:51 AM
I think maybe he meant the picture...it's not usually presented so graphically.

Sometimes it's good to remind people what drinking the Kool Aid can result in...

I could see Palin's husband doin somethin like that while he was trying to break alaska away from the united states..

revefsreleets
11-04-2008, 11:54 AM
I'm sure Michelle enjoyed the imagery of so many dead white people. Ayers probably would have preferred bombing them. The good reverend Wright is certainly on board.

If you're gonna go there, then let's go there...

cubanstogie
11-04-2008, 11:58 AM
I'm sure Michelle enjoyed the imagery of so many dead white people. Ayers probably would have preferred bombing them. The good reverend Wright is certainly on board.

If you're gonna go there, then let's go there...

if Obama gets elected are we now going to sing God damn America instead of God bless America. If his mentor has it his way we will.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 11:58 AM
someone has MANY questions that need answered. i see a couch in their future.

:couch:

Someone has many questions that he cant answer without a "spotter".

revefsreleets
11-04-2008, 11:59 AM
Well, it's been fun. I'm gonna go cast my vote (for what it's worth) then take a night off from the political bullshit...I'm not even gonna watch the election returns, just wait for the Wednesday paper to tell me what I already know is going to happen.

It's only 4 years...but, please God, let the GOP find someone OTHER than Sarah Palin to run against Obama in 2012!!!

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 11:59 AM
lol..........Okay..... So say you are a board member for your job..... and there is a guy tht you do not really know (only through the meetings), and he goes and blows up a school.... Does that make you someone who is going to blow up a school?
Or better yet... There was a guy on the board when you were 8 years old.........and blew up a shopping mall........Does that make you someone that will do the same?

None of this stuff stuck with Obama because it is all nonsense... If any of it were true McCain campaign would not be where they are right now...... Obama would be through............But I guess u keep turning on Fox News and listening to Hanity and his stupid garbage

fansince'76
11-04-2008, 12:03 PM
nope. youre not allowed. they all say so. :rolleyes:

This post was dated June 17, 2008 - a good TWO MONTHS before McCain ever announced a running mate:

I'm voting for him (Obama), hes the best man for the job.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?p=406175#post406175

In light of this, I highly doubt McCain's choice of running mate would have swayed BBFW's voting intention one iota, regardless of who McCain chose, as it appears he had his mind made up about it at least as early as mid-June. Try again.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 12:06 PM
This post was dated June 17, 2008 - a good TWO MONTHS before McCain ever announced a running mate:



http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?p=406175#post406175

In light of this, I highly doubt McCain's choice of running mate would have swayed BBFW's voting intention one iota, regardless of who he chose, as it appeared he had his mind made up about it at least as early as mid-June. Try again.

First of all I want to say ............ Impressive work....
Second I would like to say........ I still believe that Obama is the best man for the job.
Third.... Impressive work.
Last but not least ...... If McCain would have picked Tom Ridge I may have have voted for him...(or considered it). I like Tom Ridge.....

cubanstogie
11-04-2008, 12:09 PM
lol..........Okay..... So say you are a board member for your job..... and there is a guy tht you do not really know (only through the meetings), and he goes and blows up a school.... Does that make you someone who is going to blow up a school?
Or better yet... There was a guy on the board when you were 8 years old.........and blew up a shopping mall........Does that make you someone that will do the same?

None of this stuff stuck with Obama because it is all nonsense... If any of it were true McCain campaign would not be where they are right now...... Obama would be through............But I guess u keep turning on Fox News and listening to Hanity and his stupid garbage

you believe Hussein, I believe Hannity. Fact is Obama stated he considered Ayers a close friend at one time. He has lied about his relationship. That is a concern. I can see some of your arguements. He is not quilty by association. His judgement is questioned though. Is he a criminal, no. If McCain went to a church with a white pastor saying the things Wright says about whites, but referring to blacks this would be huge news. ACLU would be spending every penny they have to ruin McCain. It would be like going to KKK meetings. I just don't see how you so called open minded liberals don't see that side of it. 500 times he went to the church. He called this man his spiritual mentor. You honestly don't have a problem with that. I am sure a lot of blacks probably don't.

cubanstogie
11-04-2008, 12:11 PM
This post was dated June 17, 2008 - a good TWO MONTHS before McCain ever announced a running mate:



http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?p=406175#post406175

In light of this, I highly doubt McCain's choice of running mate would have swayed BBFW's voting intention one iota, regardless of who McCain chose, as it appears he had his mind made up about it at least as early as mid-June. Try again.

Great investigative work.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 12:28 PM
lol..........Okay..... So say you are a board member for your job..... and there is a guy tht you do not really know (only through the meetings), and he goes and blows up a school.... Does that make you someone who is going to blow up a school?
Or better yet... There was a guy on the board when you were 8 years old.........and blew up a shopping mall........Does that make you someone that will do the same?

None of this stuff stuck with Obama because it is all nonsense... If any of it were true McCain campaign would not be where they are right now...... Obama would be through............But I guess u keep turning on Fox News and listening to Hanity and his stupid garbage

So...by your own logic....since the casual connection between Ayers and Obama proves Obamas innocense and only a prolonged relationship would be damning....

....please explain How Obama is not complicit, through association, for the hate-filled racist sentiments of his pastor of 20 plus years?

Havik
11-04-2008, 12:29 PM
you believe Hussein, I believe Hannity. Fact is Obama stated he considered Ayers a close friend at one time. He has lied about his relationship. That is a concern. I can see some of your arguements. He is not quilty by association. His judgement is questioned though. Is he a criminal, no. If McCain went to a church with a white pastor saying the things Wright says about whites, but referring to blacks this would be huge news. ACLU would be spending every penny they have to ruin McCain. It would be like going to KKK meetings. I just don't see how you so called open minded liberals don't see that side of it. 500 times he went to the church. He called this man his spiritual mentor. You honestly don't have a problem with that. I am sure a lot of blacks probably don't.

I'm really glad this election will be over. I'm beginning to tire of all the ignorance and hypocrisy.

Obama and Ayers worked together on community projects. At one time Ayers hosted a gathering at his home to introduce Obama when he was running for Illinois Senate. He wasn't aware of Ayers' past at that time. They live in the same neighborhood but aren't close friends. Just so that you know McCain has worked with white racists such as Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, and Robert Byrd. Everyone is well aware of their pasts. Byrd at one time belonged to the KKK, a racist terrorist group. Obama has taken the high road and not brought any of it up. So every time you bring up Obama's associations with Ayers and Wright, think about McCain's involvement with people who have ugly pasts.

I'm grateful Obama will have a fair chance to win Ohio tonight. Unlike 2004, our Chief Election Official isn't a Bush crony.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 12:44 PM
you believe Hussein, I believe Hannity. Fact is Obama stated he considered Ayers a close friend at one time. He has lied about his relationship. That is a concern. I can see some of your arguements. He is not quilty by association. His judgement is questioned though. Is he a criminal, no. If McCain went to a church with a white pastor saying the things Wright says about whites, but referring to blacks this would be huge news. ACLU would be spending every penny they have to ruin McCain. It would be like going to KKK meetings. I just don't see how you so called open minded liberals don't see that side of it. 500 times he went to the church. He called this man his spiritual mentor. You honestly don't have a problem with that. I am sure a lot of blacks probably don't.

The Rev. Wright issue is the only thing that I do not like about Obama.

when you say a lot of blacks probably dont............ are you thinking that I am black??

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 12:45 PM
So...by your own logic....since the casual connection between Ayers and Obama proves Obamas innocense and only a prolonged relationship would be damning....

....please explain How Obama is not complicit, through association, for the hate-filled racist sentiments of his pastor of 20 plus years?


I have said I don not like the hate-filled racist sentiments of his pastor of 20 plus years...........althought I never once heard Obama say anything like that

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 12:46 PM
Just to let you all know I am a white male 28 years old..........I feel many of you..... in your comments have the opinion that I am black and that is why I am defending and or voting for Obama.....

If this is not the case......then I appologize.......

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 12:50 PM
Just to let you all know I am a white male 28 years old..........I feel many of you..... in your comments have the opinion that I am black and that is why I am defending and or voting for Obama.....

If this is not the case......then I appologize.......

Why would you apologize for your perception that others thought you were black?....Has anyone been racist towards you or are you just taking the lowest of roads and making a false insinuation?

cubanstogie
11-04-2008, 12:52 PM
The Rev. Wright issue is the only thing that I do not like about Obama.

when you say a lot of blacks probably dont............ are you thinking that I am black??

no I read my post and thought you might think that. no I am not assuming anything, I just don't thinks most blacks care about racism towards whites. And I understand them being unsympathetic.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 12:52 PM
I have said I don not like the hate-filled racist sentiments of his pastor of 20 plus years...........althought I never once heard Obama say anything like that

I didnt ask you if you liked it...read the question again.:doh:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 12:56 PM
Why would you apologize for your perception that others thought you were black?....Has anyone been racist towards you or are you just taking the lowest of roads and making a false insinuation?

Noone has been rascist towards me.........Infact I dont believe any of these post have had any signs of rascism in them...... I dont believe anyone on the forum would stand for it.. this is steelers forum caught up in an election.......

I am apoligizing because I do not want to offend anyone who is responding to my post and have them feel I am acusing them of thinking I am black or basing my opions in this way..........

Just putting it out there that I got that feeling.....and was giving my side

and why would i make false insinuations? Im a democrate:rofl:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 01:00 PM
I do not believe that he is complicit, through association, for the hate-filled racist sentiments of his pastor of 20 plus years because to each his own....... I dont think Obama has the same views as his minister, just like I do not share all the same views as my minister.... and I hope you do not share all the same views as your minister... I hope you realize that you can follow religion and not be a puppet to your minister or your religion and think on your own two feet all by yourself....

RunWillieRun
11-04-2008, 01:02 PM
and why would i make false insinuations? Im a democrate:rofl:



:sofunny:

I KNOW!!!!

It's not like a democrat would, for example, promise to take public financing and then challenge his opponent to do the same only to later break his promise...oh wait...nevermind.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 01:04 PM
:coffee:

RunWillieRun
11-04-2008, 01:06 PM
:coffee:

Drinking the kool-aid warm now?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 01:10 PM
That stuff is pretty good when you warm it up

MACH1
11-04-2008, 01:16 PM
That stuff is pretty good when you warm it up

It also changes flavors.

http://www.crazyforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/obama-kool-aid.jpg

xfl2001fan
11-04-2008, 01:18 PM
I do not believe that he is complicit, through association, for the hate-filled racist sentiments of his pastor of 20 plus years because to each his own....... I dont think Obama has the same views as his minister, just like I do not share all the same views as my minister.... and I hope you do not share all the same views as your minister... I hope you realize that you can follow religion and not be a puppet to your minister or your religion and think on your own two feet all by yourself....

If there was a minor point of contention between a Minister and I, I could over look it. However, some things are just to big to be ignored. Listening to racist rants and not choosing a different church says something about the people who continue to go there.

I "grew up" in a non-denominational church where the head pastor spent as much time in the pulpit as his wife. I believe that if you are Called to serve, you serve. I believe that God (or w/e name you give Him) is not racist, sexist etc...that we are all created in His image.

When my wife (born and raised Southern Baptist) took me to her church and I heard the pastor there exclaim that women had no right to preach, I was done with that church. From that point forward, I knew that I couldn't subject myself and my family to that kind of teaching. To me, Preaching is Teaching. If women can't preach, then they can't teach. They can't have their women's prayer groups. None of it. It doesn't sit well with me and I told my wife she may go to that church, but I would never return.

I won't stand around and listen to sexism...I won't stand around and listen to racism.

If Obama can sit there for 20 years, he's either going to church for the sake of looking religious/Christian, or he believes the message given. Either way, it does not sit well with my sensibilities.

RunWillieRun
11-04-2008, 01:25 PM
It also changes flavors.

http://www.crazyforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/obama-kool-aid.jpg



:rofl:

Leftoverhard
11-04-2008, 01:29 PM
Wow, the kool-aid thing never gets old........uh, seriously.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 01:33 PM
:rofl:

You can find anything on the internet if you look hard enough:applaudit:
How did we ever survive befor the internet....thanks al gore (figured I would say if first)

tony hipchest
11-04-2008, 01:35 PM
you believe Hussein, I believe Hannity. Fact is Obama stated he considered Ayers a close friend at one time. He has lied about his relationship. That is a concern. I can see some of your arguements. He is not quilty by association. His judgement is questioned though. Is he a criminal, no. If McCain went to a church with a white pastor saying the things Wright says about whites, but referring to blacks this would be huge news. ACLU would be spending every penny they have to ruin McCain. It would be like going to KKK meetings. I just don't see how you so called open minded liberals don't see that side of it. 500 times he went to the church. He called this man his spiritual mentor. You honestly don't have a problem with that. I am sure a lot of blacks probably don't.im pretty confident in Obamas Christianity. i though he testified unto the Lord sincerely during the debates.mccain on the other hand, must just say he's a Chrisian to put on a show or act like a good ol GOPer, cause i really dont know where he stands. i know he stands by some unsavory types who like to preach hatred about catholics and islams. looks like he hops around alot and prefers the rich while elitist types of evangelicals. im sure hes a huge fan of benny hinn's and jimmy/tammy bakers form of trickle down "offerings" where tons of money is collected from the common folks in hopes that it will one day trickle down to those who need it. go on closing your eyes and pretending mccain is a perfect saint.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/02/29/mccain-distances-himself-from-evangelical-pastor/

February 29th, 2008
McCain distances himself from evangelical pastor
Post a comment (5)Posted by: Andy Sullivan
Tags: Tales from the Trail: 2008
ROUND ROCK, Texas - John McCain on Friday distanced himself from evangelical leader John Hagee two days after the Republican presidential front-runner appeared with the controversial preacher to receive his endorsement.

“When he endorses me it does not mean that I endorse everything that he stands for,” McCain said at a news conference. “I don’t have to agree with everyone who endorses my candidacy.”

Hagee, who leads the 19,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, is best known for his unwavering support for Israel. In his books, he describes a blood-soaked apocalypse in which the anti-Christ turns out to be the head of the European Union.

Hagee has also written some not-so-nice things about the Catholic Church. In his latest book, “Jerusalem Countdown,” he accuses the Church of conspiring with Adolph Hitler to destroy the Jews.

McCain declined to comment when asked about Hagee’s writings on Wednesday.

But after several Catholic groups objected, McCain said he did not necessarily agree with some of Hagee’s more colorful opinions.

“I am very proud of Pastor John Hagee’s spiritual leadership to thousands of people and I am proud of his commitment to the independence and freedom of the state of Israel,” McCain said. “That does not mean I support or endorse or agree with some of the things that Pastor Hagee may have said nor positions he may have taken on other issues.”

We’ll see if Hagee appears at any events with McCain when the Arizona senator returns to San Antonio next week.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

Unhelpful for establishing the tone McCain sought in Davenport was the Rev. Arnold Conrad, past pastor of the Grace Evangelical Free Church. His prayer before McCain arrived at the convention center blocks from the Mississippi River appeared to dismiss faiths other than Christianity and cast the election as a referendum on God himself.

"I would also pray, Lord, that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their god — whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah — that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons," Conrad said.

"And Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day," he said.

A McCain spokeswoman distanced the campaign from the remarks.


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/mccains-latest.html

David Corn reports on a man whom McCain has called "a spiritual guide" and who believes that America must destroy the "false religion" of Islam. McCain has not rejected Rod Parsley's endorsement and shared a stage with him. Of course, a twenty-year relationship with a preacher counts for more than a public political endorsement and embrace of a religious nut-job. But Obama kept Wright at a political distance for a reason; and when McCain keeps no distance and even embraces the religious far right, he has to be held accountable. If the religious left is now part of the politics of association, so too must the religious right.

And the truth is: the GOP is far, far more influenced by its religious fanatics than the Democrats by theirs'. And yet the right-wing extremist ranters are given a pass, as mainstream Republicans like McCain feel obliged to suck up to them. After what the right has done with Wright, they don't get a pass any more. The GOP needs to be held accountable for every religious extremist it panders to, especially when their sectarian rhetoric could impact the work of American foreign policy:

MACH1
11-04-2008, 01:37 PM
Wow, the kool-aid thing never gets old........uh, seriously.

Put your Silly Straw down and back away slowly.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 01:37 PM
If there was a minor point of contention between a Minister and I, I could over look it. However, some things are just to big to be ignored. Listening to racist rants and not choosing a different church says something about the people who continue to go there.

I "grew up" in a non-denominational church where the head pastor spent as much time in the pulpit as his wife. I believe that if you are Called to serve, you serve. I believe that God (or w/e name you give Him) is not racist, sexist etc...that we are all created in His image.

When my wife (born and raised Southern Baptist) took me to her church and I heard the pastor there exclaim that women had no right to preach, I was done with that church. From that point forward, I knew that I couldn't subject myself and my family to that kind of teaching. To me, Preaching is Teaching. If women can't preach, then they can't teach. They can't have their women's prayer groups. None of it. It doesn't sit well with me and I told my wife she may go to that church, but I would never return.

I won't stand around and listen to sexism...I won't stand around and listen to racism.

If Obama can sit there for 20 years, he's either going to church for the sake of looking religious/Christian, or he believes the message given. Either way, it does not sit well with my sensibilities.

Incredibly well put.....you crystalized my thoughts perfectly.

43Hitman
11-04-2008, 01:39 PM
?



Hey angry dude, I was just replying to your own backdoor comment, lighten up. When you make one liner comments that call over half the country socialists (including me) then expect call outs. There's another old Chinese proverb about dishing things out. :wave:


I wasn't calling you a socialist, I was calling Barrack Hussein Obama a socialist. I would call you duped. :coffee:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 01:48 PM
I wasn't calling you a socialist, I was calling Barrack Hussein Obama a socialist. I would call you duped. :coffee:


only a few more hours until Obama is elected.... :tt02: and then you can all quiet down about Barrack HUSSEIN Obama the socialist....

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 01:48 PM
im pretty confident in Obamas Christianity. i though he testified unto the Lord sincerely during the debates.mccain on the other hand, must just say he's a Chrisian to put on a show or act like a good ol GOPer, cause i really dont know where he stands. i know he stands by some unsavory types who like to preach hatred about catholics and islams. looks like he hops around alot and prefers the rich while elitist types of evangelicals. im sure hes a huge fan of benny hinn's and jimmy/tammy bakers form of trickle down "offerings" where tons of money is collected from the common folks in hopes that it will one day trickle down to those who need it. go on closing your eyes and pretending mccain is a perfect saint.


So your logic is:

You are "confident" in the faith of a man who spent every Sunday for 20 years, listening to the Racist ramblings of an anti-American bigot.

BUT

You question the faith of a man who was endorsed or more loosely associated with questionable pastors?

....so if McCain actually attended Hagee's Church FULL-TIME....you would feel better about him...right?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 01:50 PM
So your logic is:

You are "confident" in the faith of a man who spent every Sunday for 20 years, listening to the Racist ramblings of an anti-American bigot.

BUT

You question the faith of a man who was endorsed or more loosely associated with questionable pastors?

....so if McCain actually attended Hagee's Church FULL-TIME....you would feel better about him...right?


you are really gonna be upset tonight arent you??

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 01:52 PM
only a few more hours until Obama is elected.... :tt02: and then you can all quiet down about Barrack HUSSEIN Obama the socialist....

I can promise you that if Obama is elected...my son and daughter will respect the new President of the United States. I demanded respect from my family for Clinton when he was in office though I disagreed with his policies....and I will disagree with Obama more so, since he is an extremist...but I didnt fight for this country to have the President disrespected....

...Can you say the same?

HometownGal
11-04-2008, 01:56 PM
you are really gonna be upset tonight arent you??

IF Obama wins tonight (and that's still a BIG IF), I believe you are going to be more than just upset in the next 4 years, young man. :shake02:

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 01:58 PM
you are really gonna be upset tonight arent you??

No...if Obama wins, I will be concerened....not upset. but I personally am a "winner" regardless of who sits in the White House.

Personally, I am a "winner" regardless of who sits in the White House.

Unlike some...I have a good enough life....that I dont have to live vicariously through others.

If McCain wins...I dont. I voted for him to "represent" me....I didnt vote for me.

If a person was a winner before the election,,,they will be when all is said and done...If a person was a loser...all the votes in the world for their candidate changes nothing.:wave:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 01:59 PM
IF Obama wins tonight (and that's still a BIG IF), I believe you are going to be more than just upset in the next 4 years, young man. :shake02:

I dont think that there is a BIG IF...... I know that.........and if your honest you should know that too.... Obama is ahead and is projected to win. I look at it like the Patriots playing the Dolphins last season.... ya the dolphins might pull of an amazing upset. but in all reality the patriots were going to win....

Will I be anymore upset in the next 4 years than I was the last 8?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 02:02 PM
No...if Obama wins, I will be concerened....not upset. but I personally am a "winner" regardless of who sits in the White House.

Personally, I am a "winner" regardless of who sits in the White House.

Unlike some...I have a good enough life....that I dont have to live vicariously through others.

If McCain wins...I dont. I voted for him to "represent" me....I didnt vote for me.

If a person was a winner before the election,,,they will be when all is said and done...If a person was a loser...all the votes in the world for their candidate changes nothing.:wave:

since you said that "Personally, I am a "winner" regardless of who sits in the White House" two times in this post............ I am going to believe that you feel you are a "winner"..........Not sure where you are going with your "winner" comments.....but you didnt win me over with this one.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 02:03 PM
I dont think that there is a BIG IF...... I know that.........and if your honest you should know that too.... Obama is ahead and is projected to win. I look at it like the Patriots playing the Dolphins last season.... ya the dolphins might pull of an amazing upset. but in all reality the patriots were going to win....

Will I be anymore upset in the next 4 years than I was the last 8?

Like I said before....some people dont have the moral compass to care if Obama beat a Nun with a tire iron...they will go through life as knee-jerk reactionist living off the accomplishments of others.

No...I think your safe if Obama wins...as long as he doesnt jump off a cliff with those ethical lemmings in pursuit.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 02:05 PM
Like I said before....some people dont have the moral compass to care if Obama beat a Nun with a tire iron...they will go through life as knee-jerk reactionist living off the accomplishments of others.

No...I think your safe if Obama wins...as long as he doesnt jump off a cliff with those ethical lemmings in pursuit.

Well thats good........Im not worried about him jumping off cliffs.........I believe hes afraid of heights...

tony hipchest
11-04-2008, 02:07 PM
So your logic is:

You are "confident" in the faith of a man who spent every Sunday for 20 years, listening to the Racist ramblings of an anti-American bigot.

BUT

You question the faith of a man who was endorsed or more loosely associated with questionable pastors?

....so if McCain actually attended Hagee's Church FULL-TIME....you would feel better about him...right?so what youre saying is that its your job to troll all dems on this board and tell them what it is theyre saying?

commendable.

:coffee: you are the master. :thumbsup:

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 02:08 PM
since you said that "Personally, I am a "winner" regardless of who sits in the White House" two times in this post............ I am going to believe that you feel you are a "winner"..........Not sure where you are going with your "winner" comments.....but you didnt win me over with this one.

That was a typo...and you couldnt be won over if Obama was found with a dead girl or a live boy....Your the worst type of voter, because you care so little for facts...and if you dont know where I was going with the "winner" comment.....then it probaby didnt apply to you...you can ignore it.:wave:

HometownGal
11-04-2008, 02:11 PM
I dont think that there is a BIG IF...... I know that.........and if your honest you should know that too.... Obama is ahead and is projected to win. I look at it like the Patriots playing the Dolphins last season.... ya the dolphins might pull of an amazing upset. but in all reality the patriots were going to win....

Will I be anymore upset in the next 4 years than I was the last 8?

I am VERY honest - to a fault - and I never give up hope in any given situation. The "polls" put Obama ahead and you know how much faith I have in polls from past hands-on experiences. As I've said numerous times and is FACT - Kerry was projected to win according to the "polls", pundits and Demos and you know how that drama ended.

I look at it in a different light. Whether it is football, life or politics - never count the underdog out. The underdog sometimes has a way of coming from behind and crossing the finish line ahead of the favorite. :thumbsup:

In answer to your last question - if I'm a betting person (and I'm quite successful with bets) :wink02:, I'd have to say most definitely YES.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 02:12 PM
it seemed to be in a quote with my name on it......but okay i will ignore it... Fact is.......like I said many times........I base my decisions not on party but on candidate......... I would not base my vote on things such as abortion or gay marriage........like many republicans and democrates seem to do...... More importantly,,,,,,,, I do care about the facts.. Then I think on my own..... I dont listen to fox news and base my beliefs on the "we report, you decide" bias """news"""" station

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 02:13 PM
I am VERY honest - to a fault - and I never give up hope in any given situation. The "polls" put Obama ahead and you know how much faith I have in polls from past hands-on experiences. As I've said numerous times and is FACT - Kerry was projected to win according to the "polls", pundits and Demos and you know how that drama ended.

I look at it in a different light. Whether it is football, life or politics - never count the underdog out. The underdog sometimes has a way of coming from behind and crossing the finish line ahead of the favorite. :thumbsup:

In answer to your last question - if I'm a betting person (and I'm quite successful with bets) :wink02:, I'd have to say most definitely YES.

Thank you.... I appreciate your input.....:wink02:

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 02:15 PM
so what youre saying is that its your job to troll all dems on this board and tell them what it is theyre saying?

commendable.

:coffee: you are the master. :thumbsup:

Not THE master...just yours.

Some people can actually talk politics...they are considerably easier to deal with.

(Funny how everytime you get called out for that type of 5th grade logic you just used....you never explain yourself...you just make a personal attack...In your world anyone who calls you out for ill-informed juvenile attempts at an argument...must be a Troll )

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 02:15 PM
HTG..... If Obama wins...........just promise me your not gonna ban me from the forum

xfl2001fan
11-04-2008, 02:19 PM
HTG..... If Obama wins...........just promise me your not gonna ban me from the forum

If you get banned it's because you are acting like an idiot.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 02:21 PM
If you get banned it's because you are acting like an idiot.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

X-Terminator
11-04-2008, 02:21 PM
HTG..... If Obama wins...........just promise me your not gonna ban me from the forum

Oh for the love of...

PLEASE do not tell me that you really believe you're going to be banned because you support Obama. You claim you're smart and think for yourself...PLEASE oh PLEASE tell me you're smarter than that!

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 02:21 PM
If you get banned it's because you are acting like an idiot.

I dont think Ive done or said anything to be acting like an idiot......
Name calling will get you nowhere...:screwy:

xfl2001fan
11-04-2008, 02:25 PM
I dont think Ive done or said anything to be acting like an idiot......
Name calling will get you nowhere...:screwy:

Wow. Just wow. :doh:

Did I say you were an idiot? Did I say anywhere at all that BBFW is an idiot?

I said IF in there. What that means is IF you act like an idiot, you'll get banned. It doesn't matter who you voted for or who got elected. You get banned based on your posts.

I do believe you are a bit on the thin skinned side to automatically assume that I'm calling you an idiot.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 02:27 PM
Wow. Just wow. :doh:

Did I say you were an idiot? Did I say anywhere at all that BBFW is an idiot?

I said IF in there. What that means is IF you act like an idiot, you'll get banned. It doesn't matter who you voted for or who got elected. You get banned based on your posts.

I do believe you are a bit on the thin skinned side to automatically assume that I'm calling you an idiot.


Well then, if you did not intend to call me an idiot in a post that had been quoted then I do apologize.:drink:

xfl2001fan
11-04-2008, 02:30 PM
Well then, if you did not intend to call me an idiot in a post that had been quoted then I do apologize.:drink:

Yeah, there will never be any doubt at all if I call you (or anyone else) something derogatory. :drink: <---Diet Mountain Dew (Don't drink alcohol)

Vis
11-04-2008, 02:32 PM
I said IF in there. What that means is IF you act like an idiot, you'll get banned.


I'm screwed

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 02:33 PM
Yeah, there will never be any doubt at all if I call you (or anyone else) something derogatory. :drink: <---Diet Mountain Dew (Don't drink alcohol)

:tt02:

tony hipchest
11-04-2008, 02:35 PM
...Can you say the same?

:horror: yes master... whatever you say, master. your wish is our command. we will say the "mcsame":salute: :horror: :eyecrazy: :nervous::yikes::cylon::borg:

:couch: :checkit:

Not THE master...just yours.

Some people can actually talk politics...they are considerably easier to deal with. :mg:

(Funny how everytime you get called out for that type of 5th grade logic you just used....you never explain yourself...)

why would i need to explain myself. isnt that what youre here for? your the dude who tells everybody what they mean, think, and are saying right?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 02:39 PM
:horror: yes master... whatever you say, master. your wish is our command. we will say the "mcsame":salute: :horror: :eyecrazy: :nervous::yikes::cylon::borg:

:couch: :checkit:



why would i need to explain myself. isnt that what youre here for? your the dude who tells everybody what they mean, think, and are saying right?

:rofl:

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 02:46 PM
:horror: yes master... whatever you say, master. your wish is our command. we will say the "mcsame":salute: :horror: :eyecrazy: :nervous::yikes::cylon::borg:

:couch: :checkit:



why would i need to explain myself. isnt that what youre here for? your the dude who tells everybody what they mean, think, and are saying right?


Really...this is your answer to a legtimate question?...

Here was the question I asked you:
You are "confident" in the faith of a man who spent every Sunday for 20 years, listening to the Racist ramblings of an anti-American bigot.

BUT

You question the faith of a man who was endorsed or more loosely associated with questionable pastors?

....so if McCain actually attended Hagee's Church FULL-TIME....you would feel better about him...right?

there is Nothing in that question that would make a sane person think I attempted to "tell" you what to think.....

In lieu of an actual "adult" response....You (once again) chose to be the lowest common denominator in the forum and perform another pathetic dodge at a question that was obviously too hard.....

cubanstogie
11-04-2008, 02:51 PM
im pretty confident in Obamas Christianity. i though he testified unto the Lord sincerely during the debates.mccain on the other hand, must just say he's a Chrisian to put on a show or act like a good ol GOPer, cause i really dont know where he stands. i know he stands by some unsavory types who like to preach hatred about catholics and islams. looks like he hops around alot and prefers the rich while elitist types of evangelicals. im sure hes a huge fan of benny hinn's and jimmy/tammy bakers form of trickle down "offerings" where tons of money is collected from the common folks in hopes that it will one day trickle down to those who need it. go on closing your eyes and pretending mccain is a perfect saint.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/02/29/mccain-distances-himself-from-evangelical-pastor/



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/mccain



http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/mccains-latest.html

Tony, you quoted my post and responded with something totally irrelevant. I wasn't questioning Obamas christianity with that post. I was responding to someone earlier saying Ayers, Wright other associations irrelevant. I say they are not and tried to put the shoe on other foot. I personally am not religious and could care less what religion McCain is as long as he is not muslim.Its the mentor / deciple relationship with a racist in which I think is troubling.

tony hipchest
11-04-2008, 02:53 PM
Really...this is your answer to a legtimate question?...

Here was the question I asked you:


there is Nothing in that question that would make a sane person think I attempted to "tell" you what to think.....

In lieu of an actual "adult" response....You (once again) chose to be the lowest common denominator in the forum and perform another pathetic dodge at a question that was obviously too hard.....
more proof that youre not sane.

....so if McCain actually attended Hagee's Church FULL-TIME....you would feel better about him...right?

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-04-2008, 02:56 PM
more proof that youre not sane.

still no adult answer...??

tony hipchest
11-04-2008, 02:58 PM
still no adult answer...??

i dont have the answers you NEED... :couch: :checkit:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 03:04 PM
Oh for the love of...

PLEASE do not tell me that you really believe you're going to be banned because you support Obama. You claim you're smart and think for yourself...PLEASE oh PLEASE tell me you're smarter than that!

lol... yes...........im only joking with HTG..... dont take things so seriously....:hatsoff:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-04-2008, 03:08 PM
still no adult answer...??

Why do you have to judge his answers..........I believe this is what he is talking about..:banging:

HometownGal
11-04-2008, 04:52 PM
HTG..... If Obama wins...........just promise me your not gonna ban me from the forum

I have never and will never ban anyone for their political preferences - that would be unfair and unjustified.

However, IF Obama wins, I trust that you will post respectfully and not gloat. I have already stated several times that IF McCain is the victor, I won't. :drink:

The Patriot
11-04-2008, 04:55 PM
I have never and will never ban anyone for their political preferences - that would be unfair and unjustified.

However, IF Obama wins, I trust that you will post respectfully and not gloat. I have already stated several times that IF McCain is the victor, I won't. :drink:

I hope everybody knows that neither canidate will be able to do much as the next president. They've both promised us lots of goodies, which is pretty amazing for a country that's in debt.

HometownGal
11-04-2008, 04:56 PM
I'm screwed

If you act like an "idiot" - then yes, I'd have to say you are. :wink02:

http://www.noodad.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/screwed.jpg

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-05-2008, 10:33 AM
Why do you have to judge his answers..........I believe this is what he is talking about..:banging:

Not judging his answers....pointed out the fact that he couldnt answer..and had to use smilies and personal attacks in return....Hopefully he will be more mature now that the election is over...but I wont hold my breath,

MACH1
11-05-2008, 10:50 AM
Not judging his answers....pointed out the fact that he couldnt answer..and had to use smilies and personal attacks in return....Hopefully he will be more mature now that the election is over...but I wont hold my breath,

Nope...That times already past.