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stlrtruck
11-05-2008, 08:35 AM
By the word of God and that the Lord is sovereign over all.

I stand by my votes and feel that I voted based on my beliefs and values. And while the candidate I voted for did not make it to the White House, I know that the Lord is in control and regardless of who is at the head of this country - only the Lord above knows our future. Maybe it will take Obama as President for this country to truly become a repentent nation and a praying nation!

Today there are many people who need our prayer:

1) The men and women who serve this great country both past and present. For protection against forces of evil and for peace and comfort from past wars.
2) President Bush as he prepares to end his 8 years in office and move forward.
3) Those in Congress both old and new that they would decern how to lead this country back to it's prominant place.
4) And bless McCain for his role in this process. As he moves forward in his career, may it be well with you Lord.
5) And finally, President elect Obama. For wisdom, knowledge, and discernment on being the leader of the free world. I pray that in 4 years we are the USA and not the USSA (United Socialist States of America). I pray that you receive a better understanding of how some of your programs are not a benefit to this country as a whole. I pray that you receive a better understanding of the programs that will benefit this country and return it to glory. I pray that you truly have the heart of America at interest and that you will not sale out her military and that WHEN you are tested that you have the resolve that was shown back on 9/11.

While I don't understand God's decisions all the time, I know in my knower that He is the one true living God and regardless of President this country will go nowhere without God securely in the it's foundation!

God Bless Bush
God Bless McCain
God Bless Obama
God Bless America

GBMelBlount
11-05-2008, 08:39 AM
Great post.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-05-2008, 08:51 AM
Very Nice....its good to keep in mind that regardless of who is in the White House..we still serve the same God.

:thumbsup:

SCSTILLER
11-05-2008, 09:01 AM
Great post! May God Bless America!

xfl2001fan
11-05-2008, 09:26 AM
I hate that post..


OK, I only said that to be different. It's a great post. Regardless of how I feel Obama might lead this country (or how McCain might have led it) it still comes down to their actual actions. None of us can accurately predict all future events...because if we could...there would be lottery winners every month.

While I didn't vote for Obama, he will be my CIC and #1 in my military Chain of Command and I will serve you as faithfully as I have Bush and Clinton before him in my military capacity.

How you vote, veto, and act these next 4 years will determine how I vote 4 years from now...because it will then be about much more than just a perception...it will be your actions.

Leftoverhard
11-05-2008, 10:59 AM
Great post stlrtruck

Leftoverhard
11-05-2008, 11:00 AM
I hate that post..


OK, I only said that to be different. It's a great post.

lol

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-05-2008, 11:13 AM
Hey, I prayed to god to help get Obama elected.... Yaaa....he answered my prayer...right?

stlrtruck
11-05-2008, 11:50 AM
Hey, I prayed to go to help get Obama elected.... Yaaa....he answered my prayer...right?

who is go? Do you mean God? And if so I guess you can say He answered your prayers. But I guess it also depends on how your relationship is with Him but that's a deeper discussion you probably weren't looking to have at this point :wink02:

SCSTILLER
11-05-2008, 12:09 PM
I hate that post..


OK, I only said that to be different. It's a great post. Regardless of how I feel Obama might lead this country (or how McCain might have led it) it still comes down to their actual actions. None of us can accurately predict all future events...because if we could...there would be lottery winners every month.

While I didn't vote for Obama, he will be my CIC and #1 in my military Chain of Command and I will serve you as faithfully as I have Bush and Clinton before him in my military capacity.

How you vote, veto, and act these next 4 years will determine how I vote 4 years from now...because it will then be about much more than just a perception...it will be your actions.

I am with you XFLfan! Time to back a new CINC and move forward in the unsteady world that lay before us! :drink:

HometownGal
11-05-2008, 12:12 PM
Kudos to you stlrtruck. :drink:

While I am still terribly disappointed that my candidate did not win the election and still extremely wary of Mr. Obama and fearful of how his actions (based on all of his "promises" that he will not be able to keep) will affect our brave soldiers who are fighting a war they are - YES - winning in Iraq, as well as our country as a whole, as a God-fearing mortal capable of fault and sin, I am also an American and have to somehow find a way to accept what is because that is what my God would want. I have never distrusted a candidate in any election in my lifetime as much as I do Mr. Obama, but with prayer and faith in the Lord, I hope to find a way to overcome my gut feelings and find some sort of middle ground acceptance.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-05-2008, 12:20 PM
Kudos to you stlrtruck. :drink:

While I am still terribly disappointed that my candidate did not win the election and still extremely wary of Mr. Obama and fearful of how his actions (based on all of his "promises" that he will not be able to keep) will affect our brave soldiers who are fighting a war they are - YES - winning in Iraq, as well as our country as a whole, as a God-fearing mortal capable of fault and sin, I am also an American and have to somehow find a way to accept what is because that is what my God would want. I have never distrusted a candidate in any election in my lifetime as much as I do Mr. Obama, but with prayer and faith in the Lord, I hope to find a way to overcome my gut feelings and find some sort of middle ground acceptance.

...well put.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-05-2008, 12:34 PM
who is go? Do you mean God? And if so I guess you can say He answered your prayers. But I guess it also depends on how your relationship is with Him but that's a deeper discussion you probably weren't looking to have at this point :wink02:

yes i mean God.... my bad...

I guess he did answer my prayers....But why not yours? I will admit you are proubably much more religious than I am. I do not say that with negative intentions towards you or myself.
I would be willing to discuss that question at anytime. I will admit my relationship with God is not where it should be, or even where I want it to be, however, I still believe and accept him... but it is times like this when everyone places it in the hands of god? Will it work for Obama.... I dont know... Did it work for Bush .. (I think he is the worse president in history.....BUT only time will tell)

stlrtruck
11-05-2008, 01:43 PM
yes i mean God.... my bad...

I guess he did answer my prayers....But why not yours? I will admit you are proubably much more religious than I am. I do not say that with negative intentions towards you or myself.
I would be willing to discuss that question at anytime. I will admit my relationship with God is not where it should be, or even where I want it to be, however, I still believe and accept him... but it is times like this when everyone places it in the hands of god? Will it work for Obama.... I dont know... Did it work for Bush .. (I think he is the worse president in history.....BUT only time will tell)

I hate to consider myself religious. The Pharisees were religious people that twisted God's word for their own use and power. I prefer to say that I have a relationship with Jesus Christ and in that I am blessed. But I can say that God did answer my prayer (and this is the relationship part of it) - it's not about what I want but instead I pray that God's will be done for me, my family, and my country. For a reason God has not revealed to me, Obama is the next President of the United States. It is His will that I accept.

It's not just times like these that I place things in God's hands, again this is the relationship part of it - I try every day to let go of my life and let God have it that I would do His will and not my own.

I don't know where Obama is with his relationship with Christ. He called himself a Christian but one can define themselves however they want - the proof of his relationship with Christ will be in his fruits.

As for Bush, one would have to find out if it truly matter to him about his rating. I believe that if a person is truly seeking God's Will, then common opinion polls will matter little compared to the reward for following God's word.
And don't worry, no negativity was felt in any of your comments.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-05-2008, 01:57 PM
I guess he did answer my prayers....But why not yours? I will admit you are proubably much more religious than I am.

God did answer my prayers last night....It would be very arrogant of me to think that God cannot sometimes tell me...No.

Unfortunatey,,,"no" is an answer.

I have to understand that He sees from beginning to the end....and that I only see the "now"....How all this works out for to further God's plans... are beyond our ability to understand...and in all honesty I have to humble myself and say that I dont have the right to question a God who knows every hair on my head...and who created the universe with a word.

Sometimes he tells me "yes"...sometimes he tells me "no"....but the hardest times are those when he tells me "wait".

Texasteel
11-05-2008, 02:27 PM
Kudos to you stlrtruck. :drink:

While I am still terribly disappointed that my candidate did not win the election and still extremely wary of Mr. Obama and fearful of how his actions (based on all of his "promises" that he will not be able to keep) will affect our brave soldiers who are fighting a war they are - YES - winning in Iraq, as well as our country as a whole, as a God-fearing mortal capable of fault and sin, I am also an American and have to somehow find a way to accept what is because that is what my God would want. I have never distrusted a candidate in any election in my lifetime as much as I do Mr. Obama, but with prayer and faith in the Lord, I hope to find a way to overcome my gut feelings and find some sort of middle ground acceptance.


Its been my experiance that these candidates are never as far to the left or the right as they claim when they are running. Obama should be given a chance to prove what he is. That does not mean give he a blank check. If we think he is wrong in what he is doing we should fight back and there are things we can do. I for one will wait to see what direction our new president will take us, but I will watch him like a hawk.

xfl2001fan
11-05-2008, 02:30 PM
I for one will wait to see what direction our new president will take us, but I will watch him like a hawk.

That almost sounds Hillary Clinton-esque. :rofl:

SCSTILLER
11-05-2008, 02:37 PM
Kudos to you stlrtruck. :drink:

While I am still terribly disappointed that my candidate did not win the election and still extremely wary of Mr. Obama and fearful of how his actions (based on all of his "promises" that he will not be able to keep) will affect our brave soldiers who are fighting a war they are - YES - winning in Iraq, as well as our country as a whole, as a God-fearing mortal capable of fault and sin, I am also an American and have to somehow find a way to accept what is because that is what my God would want. I have never distrusted a candidate in any election in my lifetime as much as I do Mr. Obama, but with prayer and faith in the Lord, I hope to find a way to overcome my gut feelings and find some sort of middle ground acceptance.

Me too!

Leftoverhard
11-05-2008, 02:41 PM
I just want to say something about separation of church and state. I truly believe in this idea. I think it's unfortunate that some religious people believe that God let them down by allowing or making Obama win the presidency. I think that could be a dangerous idea - one of the reasons Bush scares me. I thought that Christian spirituality was all about the believer and their personal relationship with God or Jesus. Not about whose political side he's on. I'm not trying to be offensive or insensitive towards anyone's spirituality - I just have a hard time understanding the idea of God making *decisions* about elections - or anything for that matter.

stlrtruck
11-05-2008, 03:55 PM
I just want to say something about separation of church and state. I truly believe in this idea. I think it's unfortunate that some religious people believe that God let them down by allowing or making Obama win the presidency. I think that could be a dangerous idea - one of the reasons Bush scares me. I thought that Christian spirituality was all about the believer and their personal relationship with God or Jesus. Not about whose political side he's on. I'm not trying to be offensive or insensitive towards anyone's spirituality - I just have a hard time understanding the idea of God making *decisions* about elections - or anything for that matter.

It is about one's personal relationship with Christ and not their affiliation with some political party. However, the separation of church and state is an overplayed card. It was established to prevent the government from creating a state religion and not that some politician couldn't get down on his knees and pray to God about a vote about to come up or who knows what he wants to pray about, even if it's on Capitol Hill.

God's *decisions* weren't about people or party - it was about His Will for this country. Something no human can comprehend in our finite knowledge. And I guess this is where it depends on the individual's relationship with Christ. If a person doesn't believe in Christ then that person's view of God being involved will be opposite of a person who has a relationship with Christ and knows that there are things God has ordained before time that we will never understand.

Although I did not take offense to your comments, I would like to point out that it's not about spirituality, it is about relationship. Spriituality sounds more like yin and yang type stuff as well as self meditation. A relationship with Christ is about dying to self and allowing the Word of God to flow through us, and to be an example of Christ to everyone.

xfl2001fan
11-05-2008, 04:19 PM
God's *decisions* weren't about people or party - it was about His Will for this country. Something no human can comprehend in our finite knowledge.

One of the best written examples of this came from a secular book I read by Terry Goodkind. I believe it was in the second book of his Sword of Truth series.

One of the "Sisters of the Light" (devout followers of The Creator) was having a discussion with a Wizard with the Gift of Prophecy. He had let slip a piece of information to someone who in turn went into the town outside of the Palace and caused a riot that caused the death of thousands of innocent people.

His answer to the questioning was that while thousands did die, so did one particular child who, if grown to adulthood, would become a terrible emporer that would lead a giant army responsible for the deaths of millions of people.

It was easy for the Sisters of the Light to place the "blood of thousands of innocent lives" at his hands...because they couldn't see the possiblity of what would have happened otherwise.

Maybe the same is true of Obama. Let's say he's elected, we're attacked (just like Biden prophesied) but that attack kills off some other person (let's call him Bob) who would have led this country to war when they became President in the next term. Maybe McCain being President is less likely to be attacked and there for "Bob" survives.

Which do you prefer? Hindsight seems like it's 20/20...but even with hindsight, only "true sight" like what God has is perfect. Maybe the plan is for Obama to run this country into the dirt with socialistic views so that some other country (or even possibly this country) could re-revolutionize how this nation (and the rest of the world) is run.

What we'll never know (no matter how good or bad a President Bush and Obama are viewd ) is how bad things might have been should someone else (Gore? yech) become President.

Preacher
11-05-2008, 07:51 PM
The issue of God being for or against America and for or against a candidate is vastly overplayed and misunderstood.

There was only one nation in God's economy (not financial, but the outworking of God's will) who's rulers were determined by God. Ancient Israel. Not current Israel, ancient Israel.

At this point, in America, presidents and others choose in their own personal lives to follow or not follow God.

God, however, is not dependent upon the election of a single man to a single place of power for His will and work to be done.

Therefore, there is no such thing as "God's Man" in presidential elections. I pray for God's wisdom for me as I select a man (or woman) who I think will best represent the values I hold as a citizen of this country. I therefore, will always vote conservative because of issues of Abortion, and my belief that the individual should be intimately involved in taking care of his or her neighbor, not the govt. Those beliefs come from my Christian belief.

However, in no way does my Christian belief MANDATE a certain president.

After all, if you are a Christian that accepts the scriptures as the Word of God, then you will recognize that we are "not of this world." Our citizenship "is in heaven." God's economy is worked out through His kindgom, THE CHURCH. If he needs this nation to do or not do something, then it will happen.

After all, we didn't elect who was God. God has control of that.

Steelman16
11-06-2008, 12:40 AM
As Christians we still serve the higher authority, regardless of who is running our country. Having evil dictators (no, I'm not calling Obama one) in leadership didn't stop the underground churches in Russia, China or the Middle East.

However, I believe that a country will eventually reap what it has sown. For all of Iran's other issues, homosexuality is still considered evil. In our country though, it is heavily supported and promoted as an alternative lifestyle. With our nation being near the top in abortions, I think that we'll see more and more evidences of judgement. It's very clear in the bible as to what will happen if a nation turns away from God. We've had more hurricanes and natural disasters than ever before, I think they're all judgements of some sort. Perhaps Obama is just a result of the direction of the nation.

It says in His word that He "raises up Kings, and lowers Kings". I think Obama might be just that. I don't know what His purpose could be, but I do know that God knows. In the meantime, I still serve Jesus. :grin:


Great post StlrTruck. :tt02:

Blitzburgh_Fever
11-06-2008, 12:53 AM
One of the best written examples of this came from a secular book I read by Terry Goodkind. I believe it was in the second book of his Sword of Truth series.

One of the "Sisters of the Light" (devout followers of The Creator) was having a discussion with a Wizard with the Gift of Prophecy. He had let slip a piece of information to someone who in turn went into the town outside of the Palace and caused a riot that caused the death of thousands of innocent people.

His answer to the questioning was that while thousands did die, so did one particular child who, if grown to adulthood, would become a terrible emporer that would lead a giant army responsible for the deaths of millions of people.

It was easy for the Sisters of the Light to place the "blood of thousands of innocent lives" at his hands...because they couldn't see the possiblity of what would have happened otherwise.

Maybe the same is true of Obama. Let's say he's elected, we're attacked (just like Biden prophesied) but that attack kills off some other person (let's call him Bob) who would have led this country to war when they became President in the next term. Maybe McCain being President is less likely to be attacked and there for "Bob" survives.

Which do you prefer? Hindsight seems like it's 20/20...but even with hindsight, only "true sight" like what God has is perfect. Maybe the plan is for Obama to run this country into the dirt with socialistic views so that some other country (or even possibly this country) could re-revolutionize how this nation (and the rest of the world) is run.

What we'll never know (no matter how good or bad a President Bush and Obama are viewd ) is how bad things might have been should someone else (Gore? yech) become President.

A very good book series, so much better than typical swords 'n spells fantasy (of which I'm honestly a big fan, WoT and Dragonlance et cetera, but still SoT was something more for sure). Most of the main philosophical mantras in each book were pretty logically sound, and the scenarios that played out in the books served as an example of that rule, both for and against.

I would fall more in line with Preacher, I think. I don't mean to put words in his mouth, but I think God's greatest gift to man was the ability for free-will. To say that God has (or would execute, anyways) ultimate control over the events of our lives, or even the centennial arc of the world, would be to trivialize that gift.

I guess I don't view God as a judicial body or parent of young children watching us, waiting to intervene when we don't play nice or to save us from potential bruises. If anything, I consider him a parent of now-adult children, who can feel ashamed or proud of His children, but loves each of them no matter what.

Regardless, I certainly don't dismiss or call into question anyone else's personal relationship with God, that's just my view.