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Steelers-Shaun
11-14-2008, 07:57 AM
So the Gazette along with alot of others say its not Arians fault. You also have the other people who think he SHOULD go. Our last offensive coordinator started us on the path of more passing with Tommy Maddox and Bruce seems to have taken it to an even higher level and pretty much deleted the FB position. What do you guys think? I personally think its not all his fault (Arians) but alot of it is. I think he was much better as an assistant coach. His wide receiver coaching days seem to really have affected his play call. Some of the main hot topics of criticism seem to be not using the no huddle and not using more two and three step drops among others. Also the complaints about Moore at the goal line getting stuffed in the Colts game, people have not mentioned the fact that after the game the Colts defense admitted they KNEW the play was coming so maybe Bruce made another bad call. :tt:

steelpride12
11-14-2008, 08:20 AM
Always have been and still all for KEEPing Arians. He is not the one out there throwing the ball or running it, and at that rate throwing INT.
His play calls def. the first drive of th game are excellent calls and they still consider Arians one of the better Offensiv Coordinators in the league and i can agree with that.

fansince'76
11-14-2008, 08:35 AM
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Steelers-Shaun
11-14-2008, 08:48 AM
fansince'76 that may be but its an issue that is not going away and will continue to be a subject of controversy. So just vote so we can put it to rest for awhile :)

stlrtruck
11-14-2008, 08:53 AM
As I've said before a coach can only coach so much ad players have to execute or it all falls apart.

Sometimes our offensive players execute and you see the results. When they don't - you see the results. I think Arians has some great plays but they can't be run if other plays prior aren't executed. Plays set up other plays...just like having a good running game sets up the PA.

Leftoverhard
11-14-2008, 10:57 AM
I have a hard time blaming Arians for everything. Toss up.

vasteeler
11-14-2008, 11:33 AM
:iagree:Always have been and still all for KEEPing Arians. He is not the one out there throwing the ball or running it, and at that rate throwing INT.
His play calls def. the first drive of th game are excellent calls and they still consider Arians one of the better Offensiv Coordinators in the league and i can agree with that.

devilsdancefloor
11-14-2008, 11:43 AM
Keep him! He sometimes will make the offense fall asleep, but is his fault or the players?? maybe a bit of both?

revefsreleets
11-14-2008, 11:46 AM
The only people who have an opinion that matter are the Rooney's, Colbert and Tomlin. Since they are all happy, and I don't expect any of them will be posting a vote, this is just a tad superfluous.

Besides, he'll be hired away as a HC next year anyway.

memphissteelergirl
11-14-2008, 11:46 AM
I personally think its not all his fault (Arians) but alot of it is. I think he was much better as an assistant coach. His wide receiver coaching days seem to really have affected his play call.

You may have hit on something there, Shaun. We are relying WAY too much on the pass, IMO. Our most successful offensive schemes were based on the running game. But BA seems to be trying to boost Ben's passing percentage and the receivers' stats and its backfiring....badly!

I agree that it's up to the players to execute the plays...but what if those plays are not that great to begin with??? :noidea:

The Lakelander
11-14-2008, 12:07 PM
The Steelers have been most effective since drafting Ben Roethlisberger when his passing attempts are limited. I don't have those numbers but they are staggering!

Why deviate from a formula that plain and clear works?

Ben is a phenomenally efficient passer but he is no Dan Marino. His attempts should be limited and the Steelers should have never abandoned the Pro Set offensive backfield and the heavy usage of a fullback to lead the blocking for the halfback.

Bruce Arians and the WR's coach BOTH need to go! They have developed this offense TOGETHER and it has SOFTENED what was once a physical Steelers offense!

Ben should only have to win games when absolutley necessary. The rest of the wins should be squarely on the ground attack and the defense!

Steelers-Shaun
11-14-2008, 12:11 PM
memphissteelergirl ... exactly, even when when the offense executes the plays they still suck. All these INT's people keep reffering to are only recently and THOSE are because ben is not healthy. And people say play him anyway. I dunno, i just don't agree with most of the posters so i will say it once again....FIRE BRUCE , bench parker and ben for the next 2 games. Give us a chance to have some healthy starters for the playoffs !!!

steelreserve
11-14-2008, 12:35 PM
We have Pro Bowl caliber players at every position on offense, except for the line, which is just average. That points to something else being wrong, so the coaching and playcalling spring to mind as the obvious places to look.

revefsreleets
11-14-2008, 01:03 PM
This is foolish. Arians was the OC for one of the most proficient and productive Steelers offenses EVER last year.

The problem is nobody here seems to even know what they are talking about. We have ran the ball 248 times this year to 263 times passing. How is that abandoning the run? In 2007 we ran even more (and this was under Arians, mind you) more than we did under Cowher! 442 passing to 511 rushing. We had almost 5600 yards of offense last year.

Ever hear of taking what they give you? Plus, I've seen this all before. When we run the ball, everybody bitches that we don't throw it enough. But when we throw it, everyone bitches that we don't run it enough. It's just laughable to see knee-jerk reactions, especially after losses, from a bunch of arm-chair QB's.

As for Arians, get used to him, as he's going nowhere unless someone hires him away.

Steelers-Shaun
11-14-2008, 01:16 PM
revefsreleets i didn't like arians last year either and niether did alot of fans i know....so i wont get used to it and will continue to take every opportunity to piss on him and throw my towel at the screen every time he makes one of his SHIT calls !

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
11-14-2008, 01:33 PM
I vote to lose him because he all but deleted the fullback position. An absolutely bonehead decision when you have a line that can't block for crap and a now antsy qb.

memphissteelergirl
11-14-2008, 01:37 PM
It's just laughable to see knee-jerk reactions, especially after losses, from a bunch of arm-chair QB's.




Ok, first of all, I take issue with the "knee jerk" reference. I wasn't in love with Arian's playcalling last year either. A lot of his plays cost us games we should have easily won. Granted, there were other factors as well (injuries or just plain old bad luck), but Arians did not impress me last year and he's impressing me even less this year.

revefsreleets
11-14-2008, 01:42 PM
That's fine. As I stated, he's not going anywhere, so bitch away...

You can even attack me if you like for pointing it out...changes nothing.

TerribleSteelyMcBeam
11-14-2008, 01:43 PM
You may have hit on something there, Shaun. We are relying WAY too much on the pass, IMO. Our most successful offensive schemes were based on the running game.

I'll give that a big hell yeah :tt03:

El-Gonzo Jackson
11-14-2008, 01:46 PM
Keep him. It makes little sense to change your OC on a 6-3 team, in the middle of the season.

Especially with injuries to offensive players like:
Roethlisberger
Parker
Mendenhall
Miller
Marvel Smith
Kendal Simmons
Holmes suspension

Steelers-Shaun
11-14-2008, 01:50 PM
Keep him. It makes little sense to change your OC on a 6-3 team, in the middle of the season.

Especially with injuries to offensive players like:
Roethlisberger
Parker
Mendenhall
Miller
Marvel Smith
Kendal Simmons
Holmes suspension

Let me clarify then i didn't mean NOW i mean after the season.

revefsreleets
11-14-2008, 01:50 PM
Keep him. It makes little sense to change your OC on a 6-3 team, in the middle of the season.

Especially with injuries to offensive players like:
Roethlisberger
Parker
Mendenhall
Miller
Marvel Smith
Kendal Simmons
Holmes suspension

A team that is literally a couple ball bounces away from being 8-1.

El-Gonzo Jackson
11-14-2008, 02:36 PM
Let me clarify then i didn't mean NOW i mean after the season.

I'm the wrong guy to ask, just because I prefer a power running game like Whisenhunt ran, with some passing that develops off the run. Even Chan Gailey's offenses that sometimes went 4 and 5 wide could grind out tough yards on the ground with John L. Williams and Tim Lester at FB.

I voted that Arians should stay and probably will.

SteelMember
11-14-2008, 02:39 PM
A team that is literally a couple ball bounces away from being 8-1.

I agree.

Arians getting away from the FB, I believe has more to do with flexibility setting formations than anything else. A tightend is more versitlie to be shifted during a snap count from covering a tackle, moving into the backfield, setting in the slot or lining up near the sideline. Having more versitile players on your roster instead of so-called specialists is not only Arians way of thinking, but also Tomlin's imo.

Also, changing an OC is in no way a guarantee you will improve your QB, or your team. A box of chocolates, so to speak.

Preacher
11-14-2008, 03:20 PM
A team that is literally a couple ball bounces away from being 8-1.

And a long-snap.

Say, wasn't that a defensive player that did that?

FIRE LEBEAU!

:stirthepot:

Steelers & I
11-14-2008, 03:30 PM
This is foolish. Arians was the OC for one of the most proficient and productive Steelers offenses EVER last year.

The problem is nobody here seems to even know what they are talking about. We have ran the ball 248 times this year to 263 times passing. How is that abandoning the run? In 2007 we ran even more (and this was under Arians, mind you) more than we did under Cowher! 442 passing to 511 rushing. We had almost 5600 yards of offense last year.

Ever hear of taking what they give you? Plus, I've seen this all before. When we run the ball, everybody bitches that we don't throw it enough. But when we throw it, everyone bitches that we don't run it enough. It's just laughable to see knee-jerk reactions, especially after losses, from a bunch of arm-chair QB's.

As for Arians, get used to him, as he's going nowhere unless someone hires him away.


Nobody seems to know what they're talking about except for you, RIGHT? Are you willing to eat crow when Arians is fired at the end of the season? That's right, FIRED!

No NFL team is going to hire him as a damn head coach, that's complete nonsense. He'll be coaching WR's again next season for the likes of the Lions or 49ers.

I also find it funny when I see you insinuating that the Rooney's are happy with Arians.
How do you know that they're happy with him? You don't expect the Rooney's to run to the media and sling mud at Arians do you? Have the Rooney's EVER publicly criticized ANYONE? The answer my friend is quite simply NO!

SuzyPeppercorn
11-14-2008, 03:43 PM
And a long-snap.

Say, wasn't that a defensive player that did that?

FIRE LEBEAU!

:stirthepot:


haha i never thought of it that way. i'm all for it. down with lebeau!!!

fansince'76
11-14-2008, 04:15 PM
Nobody seems to know what they're talking about except for you, RIGHT? Are you willing to eat crow when Arians is fired at the end of the season? That's right, FIRED!

No NFL team is going to hire him as a damn head coach, that's complete nonsense. He'll be coaching WR's again next season for the likes of the Lions or 49ers.

I also find it funny when I see you insinuating that the Rooney's are happy with Arians.
How do you know that they're happy with him? You don't expect the Rooney's to run to the media and sling mud at Arians do you? Have the Rooney's EVER publicly criticized ANYONE? The answer my friend is quite simply NO!

And you know all this....how?

Steelers & I
11-14-2008, 04:26 PM
Ok, first of all, I take issue with the "knee jerk" reference. I wasn't in love with Arian's playcalling last year either. A lot of his plays cost us games we should have easily won. Granted, there were other factors as well (injuries or just plain old bad luck), but Arians did not impress me last year and he's impressing me even less this year.

You're right on the money Memphisteelgirl. For someone to imply that a " fire Arians debate" is a knee jerk reaction is totally absurd. The world wide web has carried this type of debate amongst Steelers fans for more than a year.

I just find it comical that some fans, rather than just debating and posting their opinion, act as if they're posting on behalf of the Rooney's, Kevin Colbert, and Mike Tomlin. It makes me think of the Verizon network commercials, "You're good, post away, the Rooney's are here to support your viewpoint." lol

Steelers & I
11-14-2008, 04:43 PM
And you know all this....how?

At least I'm not in here STATING that "on behalf of the Rooney's, Bruce Arians will be fired at the end of the season." I'm posting what I firmly believe will take place and my opinion carries as much weight as anyone elses. If you disagree fine. If you believe that an NFL team is going to hire Arians as a head coach, lol, well that's fine, Dream away. If you believe that the Rooney's air their discontent with players and coaches to the media, believe away.

If a guy want's to debate a topic that's one thing but attempting to shoot down the viewpoints of others by acting as if he has a direct line to the Rooney's, Kevin Colbert, and Mike Tomlin is a fraud. No one here can say, with certainty, that the Rooney's, Kevin Colbert, and Mike Tomlin are all happy with Arians.

devilsdancefloor
11-14-2008, 04:47 PM
honestly i think BA has made some changes that makes sense. he took Ben and said ok what do you like what dont you like with the play book (THAT IS EXTREMELY SMART!) he took what the team did good, but this year injuries, bad bounces (someout of the endzone and shame on you preacher:flap:), and some just plain bad luck puts us at 6-3. You are acting like we are 3-6. and if ya like wiz's play calling become a arizona fan. But for now i support BA i take the good with the bad. and so far it has been GOOD we are 6-3! :tt::tt::tt::tt:

LVSteelersfan
11-14-2008, 06:38 PM
Sorry, we are 6-3 instead of 8-1 directly because of bad playcalling in my opinion. My opinion may not mean crap to some people, but I see with my own eyes the terrible playcalling that seems to happen after the Steelers usually move right down the field on the first couple of series. Then it goes to crap with some seriously STUPID long plays that have no time to develop because the Oline sucks. They look great when they run the short stuff but it should be for the WHOLE GAME, not just at the beginning. Quit falling in love with the long ball. We don't have the personnel to handle it. AND QUIT PUTTING BEN IN AN EMPTY BACKFIELD ON THIRD DOWN. He gets SACKED EVERY TIME they do that. That is Arians and Tomlin stupid play calling.

JackHammer
11-14-2008, 07:00 PM
I abstain until the season is over.

Steelers & I
11-14-2008, 07:01 PM
Sorry, we are 6-3 instead of 8-1 directly because of bad playcalling in my opinion. My opinion may not mean crap to some people, but I see with my own eyes the terrible playcalling that seems to happen after the Steelers usually move right down the field on the first couple of series. Then it goes to crap with some seriously STUPID long plays that have no time to develop because the Oline sucks. They look great when they run the short stuff but it should be for the WHOLE GAME, not just at the beginning. Quit falling in love with the long ball. We don't have the personnel to handle it. AND QUIT PUTTING BEN IN AN EMPTY BACKFIELD ON THIRD DOWN. He gets SACKED EVERY TIME they do that. That is Arians and Tomlin stupid play calling.


I couldn't agree with you more LV. Some fans seem to be content with a 6-3 record while others of us see the big picture, a picture that depicts that the Steelers offense is pathetic EVEN during some of those 6 victories, a piture that depicts that Arians play design and play calling fore tale nothing more than a one and done playoff appearance, a picture that depicts that this offensive personnel is far more talented than it's 25th overall rank, a picture that depicts that Arians is attempting to run a high school playbook in the NFL.

fansince'76
11-14-2008, 07:20 PM
No one here can say, with certainty, that the Rooney's, Kevin Colbert, and Mike Tomlin are all happy with Arians.

Nor can you state with certainty that he'll be sent packing at the end of the season, but yet you do just that:

Are you willing to eat crow when Arians is fired at the end of the season? That's right, FIRED!

Just because you don't like his playcalling doesn't necessarily mean he's gone at the end of the season.

MJ5150
11-14-2008, 08:23 PM
Ever hear of taking what they give you?

Sure have, but there are times that reasoning does not work. Times like....ohhh....when we're down by four with three minutes left in the game and I'm about to throw up from watching this pathetic offense sputter down the field throwing six yard passes to the middle of the field when we have no timeouts.

This would be a time when WE dictate the game to them. They'll take what we give them!

-Mike

El-Gonzo Jackson
11-14-2008, 10:25 PM
Sure have, but there are times that reasoning does not work. Times like....ohhh....when we're down by four with three minutes left in the game and I'm about to throw up from watching this pathetic offense sputter down the field throwing six yard passes to the middle of the field when we have no timeouts.



-Mike

Better yet was the 3rd and 2 against Washington in the 2nd quarter, where they called a fake end around and threw to Moore in the flat for no gain. Run IT !!

stillers4me
11-14-2008, 10:44 PM
Not a knee jerk reaction. We've had the problem for two years, coincidentally, Arians has been there for...............2 years. I'm not saying he should be fired today...........if we could fix the problem today with a new coach, I'm for it. But throwing a new wrench in the system in the middle of the season will solve nothing real fast. Unless someone from within could jump in and call the plays the first weekend, then wait until the season is over.
sorry, but the bandwagon has a new rider. Me.

Saying that he only calls the plays, he doesn't execute them doesn't make sense to me. Why bother ever changing any coaches? Show the man the door before Ben's career is over. Do we really want to be talking about this ...............again and again, next year?

The Duke
11-14-2008, 11:04 PM
It's 37 Fire him, 17 Keep him

I guess he's gone then since fans make the decisions

Oh wait....:doh:

While I do not agree on some of Arians calls( shotgun on 3 and 2 in steelers territory) it does not mean I want him gone. He was a big part of a great steelers offense last season, and when young players develop more ( Mendy, sweed, hills, hopefully some young linemen) I think we'll all learn to love this offense and arians

Preacher
11-14-2008, 11:44 PM
Not a knee jerk reaction. We've had the problem for two years, coincidentally, Arians has been there for...............2 years. I'm not saying he should be fired today...........if we could fix the problem today with a new coach, I'm for it. But throwing a new wrench in the system in the middle of the season will solve nothing real fast. Unless someone from within could jump in and call the plays the first weekend, then wait until the season is over.
sorry, but the bandwagon has a new rider. Me.

Saying that he only calls the plays, he doesn't execute them doesn't make sense to me. Why bother ever changing any coaches? Show the man the door before Ben's career is over. Do we really want to be talking about this ...............again and again, next year?

No.

We have had problems for 3 years, and have not been able to straight up pass block in the 2000's. The only reason we could do it in the 04 and 05 is because of the running game, and there is no Jerome on the horizon.

Steelers & I
11-15-2008, 04:21 AM
Nor can you state with certainty that he'll be sent packing at the end of the season, but yet you do just that:



Just because you don't like his playcalling doesn't necessarily mean he's gone at the end of the season.


Hey man, is there a problem with you and I?

First of all, I aired my dislike of Arians offense and have predicted that he'll be fired at the end of the season. If you disagree then you disagree, that's your right as an American citizen. I didn't attempt to back my beliefs by saying that the Rooney's, Kevin Colbert, and Mike Tomlin are all disappointed in Arians so therefore he'll be canned. That would be total B.S., agreed?

Another poster stated that the most of us didn't know what we were talking about in reference to our bashing of Arians. He posted his approval of Arians and then tried to back his opinion up by saying that the Rooney's, Kevin Cobert, and Mike Tomlin are all happy with Arians. Well, that's B.S. The poster doesn't have a clue of how the Rooney's, Kevin Colbert, and Mike Tomlin feel about Arians.

And before you say it I'll go ahead say yes, you're right, I too don't know how the Rooney's, etc... feel about Arians and I never claimed to have that knowledge. I'm just using common sense, common sense indicates that Arians is gone at the end of the season.

jdsdaguy
11-15-2008, 04:47 AM
yeah, i agree that its up to the players to execute the plays... but when the plays don't work, shouldn't the OC have a back up plan? in BA's defence, i must say that i've been seeing much better play calling lately, but its just those few bad ones that really brings it down. yes the players do have alot to do with it and things would be better if they executed, but isn't it up to the OC to give them plays they can execute?

stillers4me
11-15-2008, 06:14 AM
No.

We have had problems for 3 years, and have not been able to straight up pass block in the 2000's. The only reason we could do it in the 04 and 05 is because of the running game, and there is no Jerome on the horizon.

Ok....3 years. but what has he done to imporve the situation? Not much. You can say he did this or that but our offensive line is still the laughing stock of the NFL because our bazillion dollar man is being beaten to death and we are beating our selves in games we should easily win. And it's not LeBeau and the D's fault. We have only been beaten by ONE good team this year, and we could even have won that one. I was listening to NFL radio and even they were talking about how bad the play calling was on Monday after the Colts game.

TeeJay
11-15-2008, 06:32 AM
I think this one's up to The Clash!

Darling you gotta let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
If you say that you are mine
I'll be here 'til the end of time
So you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?

It's always tease tease tease
You're happy when I'm on my knees
One day is fine and next it's black
So if you want me off your back
Well come on and let me know
Should I stay or should I go?

Should I stay or should I go now?
Should I stay or should I go now?
If I go, there will be trouble
And if I stay it will be double
So come on and let me know

This indecision's bugging me
Esta indecision me molesta,
If you don't want me, set me free
Si no me quieres, librame
Exactly whom I'm supposed to be
Digame que tengo ser
Don't you know which clothes even fit me?
�No sabes que ropas me queda?
Come on and let me know
Me tienes que decir <-----------decir with C
Should I cool it or should I blow?
�Me debo ir o quedarme?


Should I stay or should I go now?
�Yo me frio o lo soplo?
Should I stay or should I go now?
�Yo me frio o lo soplo?
If I go there will be trouble
Si me voy a ver peligro
And if I stay it will be double
Si me quedo sera el doble
So ya gotta let me know
Me tienes que decir
Should I cool it or should I blow?
�Me debo ir o quedarme?
Should I stay or should I go now?
�Yo me frio o lo soplo?
If I go there will be touble
Si me voy va a ver peligro
And if I stay it wil be double
Si me quedo sera el doble
So ya gotta let me know
Me tienes que decir
Should I stay or should I go

I think they summed it up just perfect! :wink02::thumbsup: Wha..........?

El-Gonzo Jackson
11-15-2008, 11:42 AM
, common sense indicates that Arians is gone at the end of the season.

Common sense says the Steelers are 6-3 and leading the AFC North. Hardly grounds for firing an offensive coordinator.

I think Tomlin is a guy that lets his coaches do their job and doesnt override them a lot. That being said, you never know if he decides in the offseason that he prefers an offense that looks to power run the ball on 3rd and short instead of passing. I think he blames Arians poor results on the O line, just like he probably blames the lack of a return game on having no returner.....not Ligashesky.

Steelers & I
11-15-2008, 04:25 PM
Common sense says the Steelers are 6-3 and leading the AFC North. Hardly grounds for firing an offensive coordinator.

I think Tomlin is a guy that lets his coaches do their job and doesnt override them a lot. That being said, you never know if he decides in the offseason that he prefers an offense that looks to power run the ball on 3rd and short instead of passing. I think he blames Arians poor results on the O line, just like he probably blames the lack of a return game on having no returner.....not Ligashesky.


If you haven't done so you may want to read the latest article by Jim Wexell, THE Steelers insider. He doesn't let offensive line woes CLOUD his judgement in accessing the true PROBLEM with the Steelers offense.

Yeah, they're 6-3 but fans can thank the Steelers defense for that. If not for the defense this team might be 5-4 or worse yet 4-5. NO ONE has said that Arians will be fired today or tommorow, most of us realize that something like this wouldn't occur until seasons end. Besides, that 6-3 mark means nothing at this point. Technically, with a sound-minded offensive coordinator, the Steelers would be 8-1 at this point. If the offensive system continues as such, that 6-3 mark can become an ugly 7-5 real fast. That's unacceptable in my mind.

Once again, read the article, Wexell has 1000 times more insight than anyone in these forums.

T.Richardson
11-15-2008, 04:53 PM
Arians should stay, he has done a good job playcalling. I think people are just a little upset because he is shifting his offense away from the typical "Steelers Football". Although I can understand this, I think the Steelers can become like a finesse team.

I am willing to bet almost half of you guys wants Arians to run the ball more and keep Ben from throwing the ball more than 25 passes correct?

MillerMania83
11-15-2008, 06:48 PM
JMO here, THAT'S ALL, JMO....I think he should GO, I just don't like what our O looks like over the last 2 years....I know the players have to execute and make the plays, and I'm not going to go into exact instances, but there have been calls that even us "armchair" QB's say, WTF was that....When we get back to Ben throwing the ball 20 times or less, and we start playing smash mouth football, DOING WHAT STEELERS football does, then I'll be happy with the O and the playing call, and for me, Mr Arians just isn't what many of us feel SHOULD BE Steelers football....And like I said, granted, the players have to execute and make the plays, but for me, there are too many calls where I am yelling at my TV screen saying "WTF was that"....JMO.

TerribleSteelyMcBeam
11-15-2008, 08:55 PM
[QUOTE=El-Gonzo Jackson;474475]Common sense says the Steelers are 6-3 and leading the AFC North. Hardly grounds for firing an offensive coordinator./QUOTE]

amen to that. not time to start firing staff...

just because we have more than 2 losses doesnt mean the house has to be cleaned

El-Gonzo Jackson
11-16-2008, 01:52 AM
If you haven't done so you may want to read the latest article by Jim Wexell, THE Steelers insider. He doesn't let offensive line woes CLOUD his judgement in accessing the true PROBLEM with the Steelers offense.

Yeah, they're 6-3 but fans can thank the Steelers defense for that. If not for the defense this team might be 5-4 or worse yet 4-5. NO ONE has said that Arians will be fired today or tommorow, most of us realize that something like this wouldn't occur until seasons end. Besides, that 6-3 mark means nothing at this point. Technically, with a sound-minded offensive coordinator, the Steelers would be 8-1 at this point. If the offensive system continues as such, that 6-3 mark can become an ugly 7-5 real fast. That's unacceptable in my mind.

Once again, read the article, Wexell has 1000 times more insight than anyone in these forums.

Yeah, I read Wexell's article and its good, but its really just his opinion. An opinion that is written to be provocative and stir up controversy and in the end .......profit by selling books, papers, subscriptions, etc. Its what most writers do. Rather than just trust an opinion because it is written, I choose to think for myself.

I have never been a fan of Arians offensive system and said that before. I have had issue with his playcalling this season too, but realize its part of his system and his feel of the game he is calling and how his players execute.

I have stood on a highschool sideline as an O-line coach and questioned how my fellow OC was calling the game, only to watch him struggle with the ebb and flow of the game, but prevail. A play that I thought was ridiculous, happens to go for a big gain and you have to sometimes trust the men you have in place and let them coach their way out of the quagmire. I think Tomlin is doing that with BA and as long as the Steelers continue to win......I think BA stays.

I honestly hope Arians is replaced next season, but never wish to see a winning coach stripped of his job and dont think Tomlin is the kind of guy to do that. Face it....if the scribes had all the answers, they would be coaching on Sundays. The fact is they just write stuff to sell papers and get fans talking, like this.

Steelers & I
11-16-2008, 02:12 AM
Yeah, I read Wexell's article and its good, but its really just his opinion. An opinion that is written to be provocative and stir up controversy and in the end .......profit by selling books, papers, subscriptions, etc. Its what most writers do. Rather than just trust an opinion because it is written, I choose to think for myself.

I have never been a fan of Arians offensive system and said that before. I have had issue with his playcalling this season too, but realize its part of his system and his feel of the game he is calling and how his players execute.

I have stood on a highschool sideline as an O-line coach and questioned how my fellow OC was calling the game, only to watch him struggle with the ebb and flow of the game, but prevail. A play that I thought was ridiculous, happens to go for a big gain and you have to sometimes trust the men you have in place and let them coach their way out of the quagmire. I think Tomlin is doing that with BA and as long as the Steelers continue to win......I think BA stays.

I honestly hope Arians is replaced next season, but never wish to see a winning coach stripped of his job and dont think Tomlin is the kind of guy to do that. Face it....if the scribes had all the answers, they would be coaching on Sundays. The fact is they just write stuff to sell papers and get fans talking, like this.

You're right, most of the scribes will write just about anything to sell papers but there are a few exceptions. For instance, John Clayton, the dude is a dork but NFL teams seem to give him inside information, he's nearly always accurate in his reporting.

Wexell is "allegedly" that guy in Pittsburgh, the guy who is provided with accurate information.

El-Gonzo Jackson
11-16-2008, 02:20 AM
You're right, most of the scribes will write just about anything to sell papers but there are a few exceptions. For instance, John Clayton, the dude is a dork but NFL teams seem to give him inside information, he's nearly always accurate in his reporting.

Wexell is "allegedly" that guy in Pittsburgh, the guy who is provided with accurate information.

Yeah, they all get info and then write their "opinions". Gotta take it with a grain of salt as they really dont know any more than most.....they just have better connections.

BTW, here is a great article by John Clayton calling the Titans the #5 draft day loser because they got Chris Johnson. Ooooooops!

5. Tennessee Titans: Running back Chris Johnson is lightning fast, but he's not Felix Jones or Rashard Mendenhall. The Titans got a bad break when Jones and Mendenhall went to the Cowboys and Steelers at No. 22 and No. 23, respectively. Most teams knew the Titans, who picked at No. 24, were leaning toward taking a running back. Jones was their guy and they had to be tempted by Mendenhall.


John Clayton, a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame writers' wing, is a senior writer for ESPN.com.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3369696

El-Gonzo Jackson
11-16-2008, 02:22 AM
BTW, I dont think Titans OC Mike Heimerdinger is any better of a coordinator than Bruce Arians......he just calls a more conservative game and gets better execution. They just win tight games for the most part.

I bet he gets a head coaching job next season.

Steelers & I
11-16-2008, 11:31 AM
BTW, I dont think Titans OC Mike Heimerdinger is any better of a coordinator than Bruce Arians......he just calls a more conservative game and gets better execution. They just win tight games for the most part.

I bet he gets a head coaching job next season.


This years Titans offense looks a lot like some of those Steelers offenses that Cowher fielded. Not so much with their personnel but more so with their conservative approach.

#1LambertFan
11-16-2008, 11:50 AM
I believe we should fire him at the end of this year for someone who likes his offense playing Steelers football. We are passing so much even with Ben hurt (and yes it is obvious don't lie to yourself). I never did like his style. Since he's been here we try to avoid hits completely instead of forcing our will in the opposing defense. Larry Zeirlan is more at fault. This is due to the fact he has had 3 horrible seasons out of our offensive line and most are players of some of our years that we could say we have a legendary offensive line. Atleast the defense is perfectly intact and LaBeau has done some good in making our defense even better.

El-Gonzo Jackson
11-16-2008, 01:35 PM
Larry Zeirlan is more at fault. This is due to the fact he has had 3 horrible seasons out of our offensive line and most are players of some of our years that we could say we have a legendary offensive line. .

This is only Larry Zeirline's 2nd season as O-line coach. He is only in the middle of 1.5 horrible seasons of the Steelers winning/leading the AFC North.

So, those legendary O line components you speak of were Faneca, Marvel Smith(with herniated disc in back), Sean Mahan, Kendall Simmons and Willie Colon. If someone other than Faneca is considered "legendary" .......please advise who it is. Thanks.

NV STEELERS 723
11-16-2008, 03:13 PM
Bruce isn't throwing INT's....Ben is..hopefully he won't today vs SD.