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NYC SteelersFan
12-01-2008, 11:49 PM
That's correct....Ben even leads in getting sacked!!! But that was left out. And I'd also point out that Eli is outplaying Ben this year. I know that the post is geared toward the first 5 years.

Actually they both have only played 4 3/4 years so I don't know what you're talking about when you say their first 5 years, and yes, Roethlisberger is worse in one category amongst 13 significant QB stats:

1. Yards-Ben 14,085
2. Completions/attempts- Ben 1116/1779
3. TD/INT-Ben 97/66
4. Cmp%-Ben 62.7%
5. QB rating-Ben 90.1
6. Yards per attempt-Ben 7.9
7. Wins-Ben
8. Rushing yards-Ben 564
9. Yards per carry-Ben 3.2
10. Rushing TD's-Ben 10
11. Fumbles-Ben 26 fumbles and 11 lost
12. Games-Ben 67
13. Sacks-Eli 108

Yes, I left out the sack stat because it is so significant and I knew it would prove clearly that Eli is the better QB. And let's not forget Ben's Superbowl performance everyone. And yes because Eli has been playing marginally better than Ben for the first 3/4 of this season, regardless of the past 4 years, that makes Eli better automatically, cause you're as good as your last game. Ask Favre.

As much as I hate the term and as much as I hate using it, you are the absolute definition of an internet TROLL

Preacher
12-02-2008, 01:37 AM
On the biggest stage in the world:

O'Donnell: 28/49 239yds 1TD 3 INT's
Ben: 9/21 123yds 1TD 2 INT's


O'Donnell gets blasted for his SB loss and that's what he's remembered for. But Ben performs at the same or lower level and he's still the next coming.

Um... O'Donnell LOST the game for us with two bad INT's.

Ben, scored a TD, which ISNT reflected in the stats, and then, when it was on the line and we needed a first down to seal the game, kept the ball on a bootleg for the first down. And no, that WASNT the called play. Cowher is heard on tape yelling, BEN KEPT IT BEN KEPT IT.

So yes, on the biggest stage, O'Donnell couldn't get it done. Ben, when struggling in one stage of the game, was able to get it done in another stage, his legs.

There is nothing wrong with you having an opinion. . . however irrational it is. But the degree which you hold and foist it has me wondering just how sincere you are as opposed to needed something to kvetch about and picking a QB of a football team to vent about.

Steelers & I
12-02-2008, 01:46 AM
Sure, I thought Kevin Greene was overrated.

I'll damn well second that opinion!

Steelers & I
12-02-2008, 02:07 AM
Just dropping by, so, does anyone want to argue for a bit? :argue:

I enjoy the differing of opinions, the reading was entertaining.

Preacher
12-02-2008, 02:54 AM
Sure, I thought Kevin Greene was overrated.

He was a one trick pony. . . Dang GOOD 1 trick pony, but he absolutely SUCKED in pass overage.

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How about Hines Ward. He would not be the receiver he is in another system. It is his ability to hit and block that makes him stand out. The physicality translates to other elements of the game. I do not think he is an elite receiver. . . except with the Steelers.

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How about Jerome Bettis. the guy was great. I loved him. But he has been built up almost to the level of John Kuhn. He got hit in the backfield.... often... and did not have the burst to get away from trouble. Running to darkness only works when you can get a head of steam.

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Any second string QB for the Steelers. To some people on this board, they are the 2nd coming being held back by Ben... I guess the same can be said for MeMo and Willie.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-02-2008, 03:26 AM
How about Jerome Bettis. the guy was great. I loved him. But he has been built up almost to the level of John Kuhn.

:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

Steelers & I
12-02-2008, 04:06 AM
He was a one trick pony. . . Dang GOOD 1 trick pony, but he absolutely SUCKED in pass overage.

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How about Hines Ward. He would not be the receiver he is in another system. It is his ability to hit and block that makes him stand out. The physicality translates to other elements of the game. I do not think he is an elite receiver. . . except with the Steelers.

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How about Jerome Bettis. the guy was great. I loved him. But he has been built up almost to the level of John Kuhn. He got hit in the backfield.... often... and did not have the burst to get away from trouble. Running to darkness only works when you can get a head of steam.

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Any second string QB for the Steelers. To some people on this board, they are the 2nd coming being held back by Ben... I guess the same can be said for MeMo and Willie.

This sounds like a great idea for a new thread, "Overrated Steelers, both current and former."

NYC SteelersFan
12-02-2008, 02:38 PM
Um... O'Donnell LOST the game for us with two bad INT's.

Ben, scored a TD, which ISNT reflected in the stats, and then, when it was on the line and we needed a first down to seal the game, kept the ball on a bootleg for the first down. And no, that WASNT the called play. Cowher is heard on tape yelling, BEN KEPT IT BEN KEPT IT.

So yes, on the biggest stage, O'Donnell couldn't get it done. Ben, when struggling in one stage of the game, was able to get it done in another stage, his legs.

There is nothing wrong with you having an opinion. . . however irrational it is. But the degree which you hold and foist it has me wondering just how sincere you are as opposed to needed something to kvetch about and picking a QB of a football team to vent about.

Forget Superbowl stats Preacher, regardless of its magnitude, it is still just one game. The fact here is that there is a biased and subjective hatred/dislike/disdain (whatever you want to call it) for Roethlisberger. Whether it be cause he isn't your typical pretty boy, cookie-cutter QB. ESPN's short-lived attempt in taking him mainstream with fathead commercials. Or those who never wanted him to begin with due to there favortism for another QB at the pro or college level.

The fact that people will actually claim that Eli Manning is better than Roethlisberger is just extraordinary when there is absolutely no statistical evidence to make this claim aside from the fact that Roethlisberger has been sacked more times than Eli in both of their 4 3/4 years of play. When the Berger beats Eli in every other significant and non-significant statistical QB category and both have Superbowl rings, and Eli has had more weapons on offense in his career, and still someone can say that Eli is better, there is more than what appears on the surface to a statement like that.

BrandonCarr39
12-02-2008, 02:45 PM
Oh what the heck, I might give my 2 cents here...

To be frank, football is a TEAM sport, which is why I try to stray away from trying to criticize too much on one player. When we lose, yeah-Romo gets like 90% of the blame from our fan base and media, followed by TO.

Anyhow-every team in this new NFL has their share of weaknesses, but ultimately, the better teams in this league REALIZE that wins have to be EARNED, regardless, and know how to make adjustments, perservere, etc. The Giants are a prime example of that.

Look at the Chargers-most of their losses have been gut-wrenchingly close, but does that mean they're a "good" team that's "competitive"? No, of course not. Obviously, the coaches don't communicate well with their personnel and/or they don't pay attention to most of the details that's required of them to do so.

Anyways-just my thoughts here.

NYC SteelersFan
12-02-2008, 02:59 PM
Oh what the heck, I might give my 2 cents here...

To be frank, football is a TEAM sport, which is why I try to stray away from trying to criticize too much on one player. When we lose, yeah-Romo gets like 90% of the blame from our fan base and media, followed by TO.

Anyhow-every team in this new NFL has their share of weaknesses, but ultimately, the better teams in this league REALIZE that wins have to be EARNED, regardless, and know how to make adjustments, perservere, etc. The Giants are a prime example of that.

Look at the Chargers-most of their losses have been gut-wrenchingly close, but does that mean they're a "good" team that's "competitive"? No, of course not. Obviously, the coaches don't communicate well with their personnel and/or they don't pay attention to most of the details that's required of them to do so.

Anyways-just my thoughts here.

I agree with your thoughts 100% Football is the ultimate team sport with every position playing key/necessary roles. Every position is effected by the play of another position, the defense needs the offense and the offense needs the defense. The head coach and coordinators are the glue that keeps all 11 players on either side of the ball together. And one great player does not make a team good and one horrible player does not make a team bad. QB's get way too much credit for wins and losses because the media and fans need individual heroes, not teams of heroes. It's easier for the media to cover and glorify and it's easier for the fan to relate to or envision themself as.

With all that being said, in absolutely no way is Eli Manning better than Ben Roethlisberger.

Cape Cod Steel Head
12-02-2008, 03:26 PM
He still cant throw the long ball and hit his receiver in stride. They all have to stop and come back one or two steps to make the catch, or out jump the defender. Not a hater. Just saying.

NYC SteelersFan
12-02-2008, 03:28 PM
He still cant throw the long ball and hit his receiver in stride. They all have to stop and come back one or two steps to make the catch, or out jump the defender. Not a hater. Just saying.

Eli or Ben? Cause they both do that.

Cape Cod Steel Head
12-02-2008, 03:33 PM
Eli or Ben? Cause they both do that.Ben

NYC SteelersFan
12-02-2008, 03:44 PM
Watch Giant games, Eli does the exact same thing. That's why they got Burress for him.

cubanstogie
12-02-2008, 05:12 PM
He still cant throw the long ball and hit his receiver in stride. They all have to stop and come back one or two steps to make the catch, or out jump the defender. Not a hater. Just saying.

He sure hit Nate in stride on Sunday, hit him right in the hands. One problem Nate can't catch easy passes.

cubanstogie
12-02-2008, 05:21 PM
Watch Giant games, Eli does the exact same thing. That's why they got Burress for him.

I personally think Ben better, although they have both had a solid first 5 years. I agree it is a team game and would like to see Eli with our O-line. Ben is a great scrambler, a non scrambler like Palmer or Peyton, Eli, Kurt Warner etc... would have zero success with our O line the last couple of years. The negatives with Ben is the intereptions have returned this year. I am sure the New Yorkers now think Eli is better, but certainly didn't have any leg to stand on until the second half of last year and this year. Its just like arguing Peyton vs Brady the last few years. I think Brady better but there are just as many who think Peyton better.

steel striker
12-02-2008, 06:38 PM
Yeah Nate & Tone dropped possible td passes against the cheats. Lets remember Ben's shoulder still is not right and, no I'm making excuses just stating the facts. Some of you can blame Ben and say he sucks but, I have sat through many steeler games in the past where our qb's were just awful pure and simple. Ben is the best qb we have had here since Bradshaw. Every qb throws picks name one who has not? You can't so get over it and our offense is starting to get better and, it is almost playoff time. Come on people were are 9-3 and at the top of the afc north what more do you want? Oh I'm sorry you want perfection well thats never going to happen just be glad that we have a qb that is good as Ben I would hate to see if Rivers or Manning had to play with our oline at the start of the season because they would not have been as patient as Ben has. Again I'm just stating the truth.

NYC SteelersFan
12-02-2008, 07:13 PM
I personally think Ben better, although they have both had a solid first 5 years. I agree it is a team game and would like to see Eli with our O-line. Ben is a great scrambler, a non scrambler like Palmer or Peyton, Eli, Kurt Warner etc... would have zero success with our O line the last couple of years. The negatives with Ben is the intereptions have returned this year. I am sure the New Yorkers now think Eli is better, but certainly didn't have any leg to stand on until the second half of last year and this year. Its just like arguing Peyton vs Brady the last few years. I think Brady better but there are just as many who think Peyton better.

Cuban, I agree with the second part of your post, any of those QB's you mentioned would be dead behind this O-line. Roethlisberger has the ability to scramble and all of the ones you mentioned certainly do not. And I do agree that Giant fans would definitely try and argue that Eli is better than Roethlisberger (I hear it all the time). But i disagree when you say BOTH have had a solid 5 years. Because when you look at the numbers and if you have watched both QB's in action, there's no way someone can use the same adjective to describe the two QB's. If Roethlisberger has been solid then Eli has been awful. If Eli has been solid then Roethlisberger has been spectacular.

Roethlisberger-90.1
Manning-76.4

subtract this years QB rating from their average's

Roethlisberger-94
Manning-70.1

QB rating does not lie especially in this case where both QB's came into the league at the same time and have played virtually an even number of games (Eli-69-Ben-68). And even if someone thinks that QB rating does lie, every other possible statistical category for a QB between these two are all one-sided in favor of Roethlisberger except for sacks, which Eli has less.

You just can't use the same adjective to describe these two QB's.

LambertIsGod58
12-02-2008, 08:26 PM
Actually they both have only played 4 3/4 years so I don't know what you're talking about when you say their first 5 years, and yes, Roethlisberger is worse in one category amongst 13 significant QB stats:

1. Yards-Ben 14,085
2. Completions/attempts- Ben 1116/1779
3. TD/INT-Ben 97/66
4. Cmp%-Ben 62.7%
5. QB rating-Ben 90.1
6. Yards per attempt-Ben 7.9
7. Wins-Ben
8. Rushing yards-Ben 564
9. Yards per carry-Ben 3.2
10. Rushing TD's-Ben 10
11. Fumbles-Ben 26 fumbles and 11 lost
12. Games-Ben 67
13. Sacks-Eli 108

Yes, I left out the sack stat because it is so significant and I knew it would prove clearly that Eli is the better QB. And let's not forget Ben's Superbowl performance everyone. And yes because Eli has been playing marginally better than Ben for the first 3/4 of this season, regardless of the past 4 years, that makes Eli better automatically, cause you're as good as your last game. Ask Favre.

As much as I hate the term and as much as I hate using it, you are the absolute definition of an internet TROLL

OK, so I'm a troll because I'm a legit Steelers fan, been on this site longer than you, and don't wanna suck Ben off all day long like you and some others on here? Are you serious? I was trying to recall the other day when I had something negative to say about Ben. Other than this thread starting it, it was in July. And if you go back, it all comes back to I don't think he's worth the money. SO WHAT? You can't handle a difference in opinion? That goes for you to Preacher....Ben is not worth the money and there are at least 6 other quarterbacks I'd take in the league before Ben. Preacher, are you serious? Ben in the SB with his legs? His stats were worse than O'Donnells. Once again Ben gets a pass. You guys are so blind it's scary. And I've challenged people on frankly dumbass comments. One that comes to mind is that Ben is better than Favre was or that Rivers can't carry Ben's jock. All statistically incorrect. Ben has been better than Eli over the first 5 years. But since late last year, Eli has outplayed Ben and that's a fact. You might not like it....I'm surprised Mommy didn't tell you that there will be things in life you won't like. But you have to deal with them.

LambertIsGod58
12-02-2008, 08:32 PM
Um... O'Donnell LOST the game for us with two bad INT's.

Ben, scored a TD, which ISNT reflected in the stats, and then, when it was on the line and we needed a first down to seal the game, kept the ball on a bootleg for the first down. And no, that WASNT the called play. Cowher is heard on tape yelling, BEN KEPT IT BEN KEPT IT.

So yes, on the biggest stage, O'Donnell couldn't get it done. Ben, when struggling in one stage of the game, was able to get it done in another stage, his legs.

There is nothing wrong with you having an opinion. . . however irrational it is. But the degree which you hold and foist it has me wondering just how sincere you are as opposed to needed something to kvetch about and picking a QB of a football team to vent about.


So Preacher, you're telling me that if we lost XL that you wouldn't be blaming Ben? You know what? I already know that answer. It's always someone else's fault for an mistake Ben makes, isn't it? If we'd lost that game, it would have been the defense or the O-line. THE WORST QB RATING OF ANY WINNING SB QB. I'd like to actually check the losers too and see if it goes down as the WORST EVER. And Preacher, "to the degree which I hold and foist it", I'm defending my point of view. Look at my original post in this thread. If Ben ever goes into porn, they'll know where to find a fluffer.

Steelman16
12-02-2008, 08:38 PM
So Preacher, you're telling me that if we lost XL that you wouldn't be blaming Ben? You know what? I already know that answer. It's always someone else's fault for an mistake Ben makes, isn't it? If we'd lost that game, it would have been the defense or the O-line. THE WORST QB RATING OF ANY WINNING SB QB. I'd like to actually check the losers too and see if it goes down as the WORST EVER. And Preacher, "to the degree which I hold and foist it", I'm defending my point of view. Look at my original post in this thread. If Ben ever goes into porn, they'll know where to find a fluffer.

And, despite all of that and the posts you've made, you'll be cheering him on right along with the rest of us if we make it to the Super Bowl. :coffee:

Lay off already bro. We get it -- you obviously don't like Ben. OK, we understand.

NYC SteelersFan
12-02-2008, 08:42 PM
OK, so I'm a troll because I'm a legit Steelers fan, been on this site longer than you, and don't wanna suck Ben off all day long like you and some others on here? Are you serious? I was trying to recall the other day when I had something negative to say about Ben. Other than this thread starting it, it was in July. And if you go back, it all comes back to I don't think he's worth the money. SO WHAT? You can't handle a difference in opinion? That goes for you to Preacher....Ben is not worth the money and there are at least 6 other quarterbacks I'd take in the league before Ben. Preacher, are you serious? Ben in the SB with his legs? His stats were worse than O'Donnells. Once again Ben gets a pass. You guys are so blind it's scary. And I've challenged people on frankly dumbass comments. One that comes to mind is that Ben is better than Favre was or that Rivers can't carry Ben's jock. All statistically incorrect. Ben has been better than Eli over the first 5 years. But since late last year, Eli has outplayed Ben and that's a fact. You might not like it....I'm surprised Mommy didn't tell you that there will be things in life you won't like. But you have to deal with them.


Roethlisberger or Manning have not completed 5 years yet that you keep stating "their first 5 years". Even if Manning has been better for 12 games this year and lets go as far to say, 6 games last year, which equals 18, what about the other 50 games prior, they don't count?

Your point is that he is not worth the money and we say the contract is not guaranteed and you say, "it doesn't matter"

You'll take 6 quarterbacks ahead of Roethlisberger and you'll take 1 quarterback ahead of all, your lover Farver, go fantasize about frolicking on a beach somewhere with your good ole' boy and stop trolling with comments that make no sense and have no merit, troll.

And I really hate that term but you are the first person I have ever encountered on a forum who is truly that, a troll.

iloveben7
12-02-2008, 09:04 PM
So Preacher, you're telling me that if we lost XL that you wouldn't be blaming Ben? You know what? I already know that answer. It's always someone else's fault for an mistake Ben makes, isn't it? If we'd lost that game, it would have been the defense or the O-line. THE WORST QB RATING OF ANY WINNING SB QB. I'd like to actually check the losers too and see if it goes down as the WORST EVER. And Preacher, "to the degree which I hold and foist it", I'm defending my point of view. Look at my original post in this thread. If Ben ever goes into porn, they'll know where to find a fluffer.

It would be part of Ben's fault too, but not ALL his fault. A lot of people on here blame everything on Ben, including you. But Ben made some great plays in that Superbowl which helped us to win, which doesn't show in the stats. It was a team effort to win that Superbowl and it would've been a team loss if we wouldn't have won.

MACH1
12-02-2008, 09:25 PM
OK, so I'm a troll because I'm a legit Steelers fan, been on this site longer than you, and don't wanna suck Ben off all day long like you and some others on here?


But you'd rather Favre, Brady and Eli all day long. :drooling:

iloveben7
12-02-2008, 09:30 PM
^and don't forget Rivers and Romo

NJarhead
12-02-2008, 09:49 PM
But you'd rather Favre, Brady and Eli all day long. :drooling:

I think we should trade Ben and try to get Plax back. Gotta strike while the iron is hot! :chuckle: :wink02:

Steelers & I
12-02-2008, 10:12 PM
He still cant throw the long ball and hit his receiver in stride. They all have to stop and come back one or two steps to make the catch, or out jump the defender. Not a hater. Just saying.

I'll pass a little of that blame to the shoulder injury that's obviously not 100% quite yet.

cubanstogie
12-02-2008, 10:21 PM
Cuban, I agree with the second part of your post, any of those QB's you mentioned would be dead behind this O-line. Roethlisberger has the ability to scramble and all of the ones you mentioned certainly do not. And I do agree that Giant fans would definitely try and argue that Eli is better than Roethlisberger (I hear it all the time). But i disagree when you say BOTH have had a solid 5 years. Because when you look at the numbers and if you have watched both QB's in action, there's no way someone can use the same adjective to describe the two QB's. If Roethlisberger has been solid then Eli has been awful. If Eli has been solid then Roethlisberger has been spectacular.

Roethlisberger-90.1
Manning-76.4

subtract this years QB rating from their average's

Roethlisberger-94
Manning-70.1

QB rating does not lie especially in this case where both QB's came into the league at the same time and have played virtually an even number of games (Eli-69-Ben-68). And even if someone thinks that QB rating does lie, every other possible statistical category for a QB between these two are all one-sided in favor of Roethlisberger except for sacks, which Eli has less.

You just can't use the same adjective to describe these two QB's.

The reason I stated Elis has been solid over his 5 years is due to SB win and this years record. I don't expect a QB to come in in first few years and produce. That is why I think Ben has greatness ahead of him. Regardless of some peoples view on this board he helped and guided a 6-10 team to 15-1, and then won a SB. yes he had a bad game although he did have 3 to 4 big, big plays that helped them win. But in getting there played awesome for 3 tough games on the road . He did that in first 2 years, pretyy amazing and unchartered territory. Anyone outside of San Diego who thinks Rivers is better is frigging mentally handicapped. We all know who I am referring to. Anyway back to my point, I bashed Eli for 3 years and now I am just giving him props for playing well. I would take Ben over him anyday. Mainly because of the scrambling and being able to keep plays alive. I will live with an interception in the regular season for big plays. Playoffs different story, you can't make mistakes in playoffs and win . Hopefully Ben will curtail his pics in playoffs when they get magnified.

iloveben7
12-02-2008, 10:29 PM
^we won the Superbowl with 2 picks

NYC SteelersFan
12-03-2008, 12:39 AM
The reason I stated Elis has been solid over his 5 years is due to SB win and this years record. I don't expect a QB to come in in first few years and produce. That is why I think Ben has greatness ahead of him. Regardless of some peoples view on this board he helped and guided a 6-10 team to 15-1, and then won a SB. yes he had a bad game although he did have 3 to 4 big, big plays that helped them win. But in getting there played awesome for 3 tough games on the road . He did that in first 2 years, pretyy amazing and unchartered territory. Anyone outside of San Diego who thinks Rivers is better is frigging mentally handicapped. We all know who I am referring to. Anyway back to my point, I bashed Eli for 3 years and now I am just giving him props for playing well. I would take Ben over him anyday. Mainly because of the scrambling and being able to keep plays alive. I will live with an interception in the regular season for big plays. Playoffs different story, you can't make mistakes in playoffs and win . Hopefully Ben will curtail his pics in playoffs when they get magnified.

Fair enough cuban and I agree with you about the interceptions in the playoffs. Even if the O-line is terrible and the receivers are screwing up the routes and idiot Arians is calling miserable plays, I rather him throw it away or take a hit rather than throw a pick. It gives us a chance to still win and it exposes the team for sucking instead of allowing people to put all the blame on Roethlisberger.

Eli has definitely improved over the last 16 games or so but it is because he is now a "game manager" rather than what they first tried to bill him as, which was a sequel to his brother. He failed miserably and his best year was a QB raiting of 77 and that was in spite of having Burress and Barber and a very protective O-line.

Coughlin at some point last year gave up on Eli being the leader of the offense and decided to simply make him just part of the offense or what ESPN calls "game manager". This is a perfect example of overrated/hyped for those who claim Roethlisberger is overrated/hyped; When Ben is a game manager and we win the Superbowl, they say, "He is an efficient game manager on a great team." When Eli plays the game manager, they say, "He is a great quarterback who leads the team."

Having media friendly profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfilterprofanityfilters like Peyten and Archie to give you all the media relations/connections you need before you even throw your first ball in the NFL makes all the difference.

Eli is nothing more than an average quarterback at best on a great team. If he was on the Steelers, we would be 6-6 at best. And everyone says he started coming around towards the end of last year, it's just not true unless they literally mean the end because up until the Patriots game Eli was:

275 completions and 497 attempts
55.2 Cmp%
3085 yards
19 TD's and 19 INT's
70.5 QB rating

Take away his first game of the 2007 season and Eli's stats for 07' were:

247 completions and 456 attempts
54.3 Cmp%
2773 yards
15 TD's and 18 INT's
67.4 QB rating

He had 10 games with a QB rating under 80. He had 6 games with a QB rating under 70. He had just 3 games with a QB rating over 90.

In his 69 career games, Eli has had only 29 games with a QB rating over 80
In 68 career games, Roethlisberger has had 46 games with a QB rating over 80

In 69 Career games, Eli has had 17 games with a QB rating over 90
In 68 Career games, Ben has had 38 games with a QB rating over 90

In 69 career games, Eli has had 19 games with 2 or more interceptions
In 68 career games, Ben has had 18 games with 2 or more interceptions

In 69 career games, Eli has had 25 games with 2 or more TD's
In 68 career games, Ben has had 30 games with 2 or more TD's

I can keep going for page after page with the statistical difference between these two and with stats that show just how awful Eli Manning is. I mean the statistical difference between these two QB's is just staggering. Any stat you look up and Eli looks like a horror show in comparison to Roethlisberger.

El-Gonzo Jackson
12-03-2008, 12:46 AM
Dude, let the hating on Eli thing go already......its not healthy.

As Frank Costanza said "serenity now!"

augustashark
12-03-2008, 01:05 AM
Its a new day when a guy who joined this site less then 30 days ago calls someone who has been here 3 years a troll. LOL!

The biggest gripe I have with Ben is he overestimates his arm. If you watch his playaction deep ball he will hold onto it for too long and let the db catch up because he under throws it. Don't know if its due to the shoulder or not, but he needs to focus on it.

NYC SteelersFan
12-03-2008, 01:16 AM
Its a new day when a guy who joined this site less then 30 days ago calls someone who has been here 3 years a troll. LOL!

The biggest gripe I have with Ben is he overestimates his arm. If you watch his playaction deep ball he will hold onto it for too long and let the db catch up because he under throws it. Don't know if its due to the shoulder or not, but he needs to focus on it.

I appologize for breaking internet forum etiquette and not waiting whatever amount of time is proper before calling someone for what he is.

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]

That is from good ole' wikidpedia, and that is the definition I have always understood, didn't know post count or length of membership had anything to do with it.

NYC SteelersFan
12-03-2008, 01:19 AM
Dude, let the hating on Eli thing go already......its not healthy.

As Frank Costanza said "serenity now!"

I have lots of Serenity Gonzo and my posts have nothing to do with hate. You are one of the ones who said Eli was BETTER than Roethlisberger. I'm just posting stats to the contrary of your statement.

augustashark
12-03-2008, 01:31 AM
I appologize for breaking internet forum etiquette and not waiting whatever amount of time is proper before calling someone for what he is.



That is from good ole' wikidpedia, and that is the definition I have always understood, didn't know post count or length of membership had anything to do with it.

Listen pal, I'm not going to argue with you. Just read the definition again. Even by those standards I don't think you can call him a troll. Then again that was not the meat of my post anyway.

NYC SteelersFan
12-03-2008, 01:41 AM
Listen pal, I'm not going to argue with you. Just read the definition again. Even by those standards I don't think you can call him a troll. Then again that was not the meat of my post anyway.

He's comparing Roethlisberger to Kordell Stewart and Neil O'Donnell, how is that not outrageously controversial, inflammatory and irrelevant with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response?

augustashark
12-03-2008, 01:49 AM
He's comparing Roethlisberger to Kordell Stewart and Neil O'Donnell, how is that not outrageously controversial, inflammatory and irrelevant with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response?

Maybe because they were all STEELERS QB'S. Just a guess.:drink:

NYC SteelersFan
12-03-2008, 01:56 AM
Maybe because they were all STEELERS QB'S. Just a guess.:drink:

lol...only cause fans never got close enough to lynch them.

LambertIsGod58
12-03-2008, 06:52 AM
I appologize for breaking internet forum etiquette and not waiting whatever amount of time is proper before calling someone for what he is.



That is from good ole' wikidpedia, and that is the definition I have always understood, didn't know post count or length of membership had anything to do with it.


Your posting of the definition is impressive....that you actually did some research before you shot your mouth off. But, the fact is that these posts are what I believe. Therefore, you would be incorrect. The intent is where you lose your case. Nice try though. Ben would be proud.

LambertIsGod58
12-03-2008, 06:52 AM
^and don't forget Rivers and Romo


Is it hard for you to decide to slobber over Ben all day or watch Olsen twin DVD's?

LambertIsGod58
12-03-2008, 06:54 AM
Maybe because they were all STEELERS QB'S. Just a guess.:drink:

Augusta....as elementary as it seems he needs someone to point out the obvious sometimes.

LambertIsGod58
12-03-2008, 06:58 AM
It would be part of Ben's fault too, but not ALL his fault. A lot of people on here blame everything on Ben, including you. But Ben made some great plays in that Superbowl which helped us to win, which doesn't show in the stats. It was a team effort to win that Superbowl and it would've been a team loss if we wouldn't have won.

Like I've said before, your crush on Ben is cute! But if you haven't started watching football until 2004, do you really think you're being objective. I don't know if you were born yet when they played SB XXX, but O'Donnell consistently gets blamed soley for that loss. But Ben plays worse than O'Donnell in XL and because we won he gets a pass. I think I heard one person say that we won IN SPITE of Ben, not because of him.

fansince'76
12-03-2008, 09:25 AM
"Ben sucks," "no he doesn't," "yes he does," "no he doesn't," "yes he does," "no he doesn't," "yes he does...." :blah: :blah: :blah:

It's like a broken record. This thread has pretty much run its course and is now closed.