View Full Version : a great debate...but lopsided.

12-05-2008, 09:22 PM
i was having a debate the other day with a "friend" of mine. i say "friend" because he is a Dallas Cowboys fan and i don't want people to think i am associated with him. haha! BUT... we were discussing a rather crucial topic that would be severly biased in this forum. but the topic at hand was this...

who is going to make it to the Hall of Fame first, Hines Ward or Terrell Owens?

the question might seem obvious to people in here. but SOME people who aren't Steeler fans of course root for the later of the two. personally, i choose Hines Ward for numerous reason. i would like to know what you think.

The Duke
12-05-2008, 10:13 PM
Owens will get into the HOF easily because of his numbers

Hines will have a tougher time( although he shouldn't) getting in the HOF

If it was my decision they both go in. But I expect Hines to be ignored at least for a few years.

Around that time other receivers such as Marvin Harrison, Torry Holt and Randy Moss will also be in discussion for the hall btw

12-05-2008, 10:25 PM
I think Hines makes it first. If not for #'s but for now he has a SB, SB MVP and hasn't nuked two teams.

12-05-2008, 10:29 PM
Owens is probally first ballot.

Hines might take a few years but he will get in. What sets him apart is his physicality, he played a brand of football unseen by most in the era of football Hines Ward has been playing in.

12-06-2008, 04:22 PM
Once they let Lawrence Taylor in, character no longer became a factor. Due that unfortunate incident and the poor precedent it set, TO goes first.

Dino 6 Rings
12-06-2008, 08:38 PM
Wait until the careers are over. TO could still do something stupid that gets him expelled from the NFL and the Hall of Fame.

Another Drug Overdose or crashing his car into a bus or something.

as for the "Numbers". Owens started playing in 1996. Ward started in 1998. So Owens has 2 years on Ward for "Stats"

Catches for Career
owens is 8th with 934
ward is 22nd with 778

Recieving Yards Career
Owens is 7th with 13,886
Ward is 34th with 9,492

Touchdowns Career
Owens is 2nd 137
Ward is 29th 71

SB MVP Awards
Owens with 0
Ward with 1

SB Rings
Owens with 0
Ward with 1

Added those last two for giggles

12-06-2008, 11:19 PM
According to those stats, Owens has outperformed Ward (you have to remember he didn't play for a while with the Iggles as well).

Ward has been consistent for us, but he is going to have to have another SB run, with some GOOD play, maybe a couple great SB catches, in order to really solidfy his HOF run.

Not just because of him, but because he is a Steeler, and there seems to be a bias against Steelers going into the HOF.

12-07-2008, 04:21 AM
As much as TO annoys me, I have to give him props for his recent reticence. He has practically been a model citizen, on and off the field.

How that affects his entrance into the HOF, I'm not really sure.

Considering how long it took Lynn Swann to make it in, IMO Hines will probably have an upward climb there too. :o

12-09-2008, 11:50 PM
I think Hines makes it first. If not for #'s but for now he has a SB, SB MVP and hasn't nuked two teams.

Couldnt agree more

Stu Pidasso
12-10-2008, 01:16 AM
Ward's biggest problem is that he's on a run-the-ball first football team.

12-15-2008, 08:56 AM
Hines needs one more ring. He owns just about every Steelers receiving record there is, but we are not a passing team, so they'll still pale in comparison. But toss in a couple championships that he was instrumental in and he'll get the nod.

12-15-2008, 11:02 AM
The douchebag known as T.O. will get to the Great Hall on his first nomination. The media jocks still love to slurp his knob. Hines will go too, but he will be inducted several years after T.O. imho. Though I can't stomach that arrogant yap flapper, he is deserving of induction, as much as it pains me to say it.

12-15-2008, 03:45 PM
Alright, ready for the other side of the debate? Think about this. The thing that will likely keep Ward out (stats/playbook) could very well be TO's undoing too. He has played in several pass happy West Coast style of offenses...and the old coots who are voting players in will look at that.

This coupled with his penchant for tearing teams apart and his lack of rings will make it tougher to get him in. (Especially when compared to a more model citizen like Marvin Harrison who will likely be a first ballot guy...even with my stat/playbook argument.)

Also, TO (especially these last few seasons) has been dropping a lot of passes.

On a per season average:

TO: 73 Catches, 1085 Yards, 11 TDs

Hines: 72 Catches, 884 yards, 7 TDs

Unfortunately, the TDs is what will likely keep a guy like Hines Ward out. But that TD disparity is easily explained when you consider the game plans for both WR's respective teams inside the 20. Pittsburgh rode the Bus, TO demanded the ball.