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mesaSteeler
12-07-2008, 08:30 PM
Picked this up from a poster named Bri-Ski on another blog. I'm sure if the numbers are not right then some Big Ben hater will point it out. However if the numbers are correct then Big Ben is doing just fine with me. I don't care if we win pretty as long as we win. - mesa

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/12148966


49 - Ben Roethlisberger (2004-2008)*
48 - Otto Graham (1950-54)
48 - Dan Marino (1983 - 1987)
48 - Tom Brady (2000-2004)
46 - John Elway (1983-1987)

Pretty good company - Any questions?

T.Richardson
12-07-2008, 08:32 PM
"The defense won all those games"

Thats what they will say.

Hines0wnz
12-07-2008, 08:34 PM
First to say: "way to manage the game, Ben!" :hatsoff:

Borski
12-07-2008, 08:41 PM
Picked this up from a poster named Bri-Ski on another blog. I'm sure if the numbers are not right then some Big Ben hater will point it out. However if the numbers are correct then Big Ben is doing just fine with me. I don't care if we win pretty as long as we win. - mesa

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/12148966


49 - Ben Roethlisberger (2004-2008)*
48 - Otto Graham (1950-54)
48 - Dan Marino (1983 - 1987)
48 - Tom Brady (2000-2004)
46 - John Elway (1983-1987)

Pretty good company - Any questions?

You got the Asterisk after the wrong player.

fansince'76
12-07-2008, 08:42 PM
It was the defense and running game that carried him. He sucks. /sarcasm :coffee:

The Duke
12-07-2008, 08:46 PM
You got the Asterisk after the wrong player.

:toofunny:

amazing stat. but many will say the defense carried him

mesaSteeler
12-07-2008, 08:47 PM
You got the Asterisk after the wrong player.

LOL, Actually I just copied what the other poster wrote. I think the asterisk is because this season is not over yet.

Preacher
12-07-2008, 08:47 PM
Picked this up from a poster named Bri-Ski on another blog. I'm sure if the numbers are not right then some Big Ben hater will point it out. However if the numbers are correct then Big Ben is doing just fine with me. I don't care if we win pretty as long as we win. - mesa

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/12148966


49 - Ben Roethlisberger (2004-2008)*
48 - Otto Graham (1950-54)
48 - Dan Marino (1983 - 1987)
48 - Tom Brady (2000-2004)
46 - John Elway (1983-1987)

Pretty good company - Any questions?

The only question I have about that. . . is Otto Graham. They played less teams, so they were able to play them more often and could beat up on them. . . However, they played less game per year as well (if I remember right), so that probably balances it out. Pretty dang impressive either way.

markymarc
12-07-2008, 09:39 PM
Not bad for a game manager :noidea: Ben continues to win and that is the bottom line in the NFL.

stillers4me
12-07-2008, 09:40 PM
You got the Asterisk after the wrong player.


49 - Ben Roethlisberger (2004-2008)
48 - Otto Graham (1950-54)
48 - Dan Marino (1983 - 1987)
48 - Tom Brady (2000-20040)*
46 - John Elway (1983-1987)

I fixed it.
:drink:

lardlad
12-08-2008, 04:22 AM
Unfortunately some people are not able to look at his entire body of work and appreciate what he has done. I know many people who aren't able to enjoy good play as it is happening. I am not saying he played well today, well enough to win. But these people will appreciate him when he retires or leaves and takes a look at his highlight reel as a Steeler and think, wow he was pretty good. Its that old saying about not seeing the trees from the forest deal.

I have absolutely no problem blaming Ben for things he does, he was part of the problem in the first half last night, but you do have to appreciate his focus in the stretch. He is very very tough in these kinds of situations, not many QB's would have been able to keep it together in that game. But I think if you are going to complain about specific problem Ben has had, that is fine and most of the time I will agree, but to just say he is anything but a great football player is just not true. Look at what he has done, this stat is evidence of that.

The guy makes mistakes, but he is good. No two ways about it.

Galax Steeler
12-08-2008, 04:55 AM
That is amazing good job Ben everyone can say that it was the deffense that carried him but if you remember in his rookie year he was the one winning the games for us so I think ben has done a really good job.

jjpro11
12-08-2008, 04:57 AM
he's a winner and he's clutch.. i just wish he would be a bit more consistent over the course of the entire game so that we arent always needing these last second heroics.

whats his stat line on game winning drives, come from behind wins, or whatever it is since he entered the league in 2004? i thought he led that category.

missedgehead
12-08-2008, 09:20 AM
49 - Ben Roethlisberger (2004-2008)
48 - Otto Graham (1950-54)
48 - Dan Marino (1983 - 1987)
48 - Tom Brady (2000-20040)*
46 - John Elway (1983-1987)

I fixed it.
:drink:


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz. Whatever. Ignorance is bliss I guess. :) I mean, get over it already. The next thing I will be hearing is that Ben is better than Tom because he has more wins which is ridiculous. That is like saying Big Brown is better than Secretariat which is just as idiotic. :banging:

fansince'76
12-08-2008, 09:38 AM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz. Whatever. Ignorance is bliss I guess. :) I mean, get over it already. The next thing I will be hearing is that Ben is better than Tom because he has more wins which is ridiculous. That is like saying Big Brown is better than Secretariat which is just as idiotic. :banging:

Don't you have a Pats* or Giants board to hang out at? It was a pleasant week without you here and you weren't missed in the least. :yawn:

DACEB
12-08-2008, 09:54 AM
. Ignorance is bliss I guess. :)

Then you must be one happy individual!!

DACEB
12-08-2008, 09:57 AM
people will appreciate him when he retires or leaves and takes a look at his highlight reel as a Steeler and think, wow he was pretty good.

I have absolutely no problem blaming Ben for things he does, he was part of the problem in the first half last night, but you do have to appreciate his focus in the stretch. He is very very tough in these kinds of situations, not many QB's would have been able to keep it together in that game. But I think if you are going to complain about specific problem Ben has had, that is fine and most of the time I will agree, but to just say he is anything but a great football player is just not true. Look at what he has done, this stat is evidence of that.

The guy makes mistakes, but he is good. No two ways about it.

Great post!

X-Terminator
12-08-2008, 10:30 AM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz. Whatever. Ignorance is bliss I guess. :) I mean, get over it already. The next thing I will be hearing is that Ben is better than Tom because he has more wins which is ridiculous. That is like saying Big Brown is better than Secretariat which is just as idiotic. :banging:

You really need to just go away. Seriously. Your bandwagon act is tired and old.

LambertIsGod58
12-09-2008, 02:11 PM
It was the defense and running game that carried him. He sucks. /sarcasm :coffee:


Let's look at that shall we Gary....Since BEN is winning all these games, let's see what everyone else is not doing. Here's the help Ben hasn't had since day one.:coffee:



2004 Defense ranked 1st Running game ranked 2nd

2005 Defense ranked 4th Running game ranked 5th

2006 Defense ranked 9th Running game ranked 10th

2007 Defense ranked 1st Running game ranked 3rd

2008 Defense ranked 1st Running game ranked 23rd



2004 28th ranked passing game

2005 24th ranked passing game

2006 9th ranked passing game

2007 22nd ranked passing game

2008 20th ranked passing game

fansince'76
12-09-2008, 02:12 PM
And I'm the one who can't drop it, supposedly. :toofunny:

LambertIsGod58
12-09-2008, 02:14 PM
yeah, you're all right. Having the best defense in the league 3 of your first 5 years and in the top 10 all 5? Are you serious? Ben is the reason for these wins? The passing game is in the bottom of the league every year but ONE! Ben is a good QB. He makes throws that our QB's of the past couldn't. True. But that doesn't make him an elite QB. If our defense sucked or had no running game these last 5 years, fine. But that's so not the case here, is it?

LambertIsGod58
12-09-2008, 02:15 PM
And I'm the one who can't drop it, supposedly. :toofunny:

following your lead bro.....:tt:

LambertIsGod58
12-09-2008, 02:19 PM
and a top 10 running game every year but one, imagine that?

fansince'76
12-09-2008, 02:20 PM
Talk to yourself often? :toofunny:

LambertIsGod58
12-09-2008, 02:22 PM
Talk to yourself often? :toofunny:


Can't argue any of it can you, Gary? Makes too much sense. That's ok. I'll take your 3rd grade commentary as I proved my point. Since you have nothing else to say.

fansince'76
12-09-2008, 02:26 PM
Since you have nothing else to say.

No, not to you, I don't. :coffee:

LambertIsGod58
12-09-2008, 02:29 PM
No, not to you, I don't. :coffee:


C'mon Gary. Humor me. I've got plenty of salt here for when you put your foot in your mouth. If you can't give me anything to the contrary, then it's simple. You have no argument. You've had no problem going round and round with me every other time. So why is now different? It's not....so C'MON!! Give it a shot....OK, OK. Well, if something should come to mind, just shout it out....:rofl:

MACH1
12-09-2008, 03:31 PM
49 - Ben Roethlisberger (2004-2008)

Look at all those wins just handing the ball off. :rolleyes: Oh ya and defense.

5..4..3..2..1...

LambertIsGod58
12-09-2008, 03:40 PM
49 - Ben Roethlisberger (2004-2008)

Look at all those wins just handing the ball off. :rolleyes: Oh ya and defense.

5..4..3..2..1...

you don't have anything to argue it either? Didn't think so.

Edman
12-09-2008, 03:57 PM
Ben didn't do that. The rest of the team did it.

Best Game Manager ever.

Kvnfaber
12-09-2008, 04:50 PM
You are not going to win many games with a GREAT quarterback who has a crappy running game and crappy defense.

It takes a good team to win games....period.

It takes a great quarterback to win the Super Bowl being the #6 seed and playing all road games in the playoffs.

It takes a great quarterback to come from behind and win 16 times in <5 seasons.

It takes a great quarterback to be in the top 10 of all time in Passer Rating.

lilyoder6
12-09-2008, 04:55 PM
come on guys, we know that in the 49 wins ben has had, he didn't have 16 4th qtr comebacks, or he rly didn't have all of those great qb ratings... it was the def... b/c u know evry tackle they get we get 1 point

LambertIsGod58
12-09-2008, 04:59 PM
come on guys, we know that in the 49 wins ben has had, he didn't have 16 4th qtr comebacks, or he rly didn't have all of those great qb ratings... it was the def... b/c u know evry tackle they get we get 1 point

yeah, the 2000 Ravens are supporting evidence for you....:coffee:

LambertIsGod58
12-09-2008, 05:00 PM
:rofl:Didn't we go 13-3 just two years before Ben came to town? With Kordell Stewart? Maybe it's the other Pittsburgh.

NYC SteelersFan
12-09-2008, 05:12 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz. Whatever. Ignorance is bliss I guess. :) I mean, get over it already. The next thing I will be hearing is that Ben is better than Tom because he has more wins which is ridiculous. That is like saying Big Brown is better than Secretariat which is just as idiotic. :banging:

You're profile is littered with Professional wrestlers, modern day ones at that, and you are calling other people's statements idiotic and ridiculous.

MACH1
12-09-2008, 05:14 PM
http://bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/image13.jpg

We should trade Ben for this guy.

NYC SteelersFan
12-09-2008, 05:15 PM
Picked this up from a poster named Bri-Ski on another blog. I'm sure if the numbers are not right then some Big Ben hater will point it out. However if the numbers are correct then Big Ben is doing just fine with me. I don't care if we win pretty as long as we win. - mesa

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/12148966


49 - Ben Roethlisberger (2004-2008)*
48 - Otto Graham (1950-54)
48 - Dan Marino (1983 - 1987)
48 - Tom Brady (2000-2004)
46 - John Elway (1983-1987)

Pretty good company - Any questions?

I don't care if we win with Roethlisberger as long as we win. He is a great QB who has helped this team succeed just as the team has helped him succeed. HE is not responsible for the wins, he is responsible for playing great on the team that is responsible for those wins.

NYC SteelersFan
12-09-2008, 05:17 PM
http://bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/image13.jpg

We should trade Ben for this guy.

Oh this pic is priceless. You should've captioned it with, "I'm not playing anymore! OK Fine! Now I wanna play!"

LambertIsGod58
12-09-2008, 05:31 PM
Oh this pic is priceless. You should've captioned it with, "I'm not playing anymore! OK Fine! Now I wanna play!"

you're one funny cat if nothing else....I'll give you props for creativity. But nothing for the argument.

Steelman16
12-09-2008, 06:33 PM
And so because Ben has had some good defenses behind him, that disqualifies this statistic?

Pretty sure it's a team game. Find me another quarterback who can thrive behind our offensive line and still put up those type of stats. Ben is equal or better.

Some folks just don't count their blessings.

:coffee:

LambertIsGod58
12-09-2008, 08:22 PM
And so because Ben has had some good defenses behind him, that disqualifies this statistic?

Pretty sure it's a team game. Find me another quarterback who can thrive behind our offensive line and still put up those type of stats. Ben is equal or better.

Some folks just don't count their blessings.

:coffee:

some folks are just blind....

beSteelmyheart
12-09-2008, 08:41 PM
I'll take the wins over stats anyday.

lilyoder6
12-09-2008, 09:04 PM
even w/ the 2000 ravens.. i still saw that dilfer and the off score points to win the game

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
12-09-2008, 09:28 PM
I'll take the wins over stats anyday.

Works for me. Some people won't be happy even if we win numba 6 this year! :tt03:

billybob
12-19-2008, 09:09 AM
Cool stat , not that it means so much. Quarterback Big Ben has set a record by becoming the first to ever win 50 games in his first 5 seasons. 50-19 Thats not too shabby.

The_WARDen
12-19-2008, 03:20 PM
Cool stat , not that it means so much. Quarterback Big Ben has set a record by becoming the first to ever win 50 games in his first 5 seasons. 50-19 Thats not too shabby.

but he doesn't throw for 300 yds and 3 TDs every week, so he sucks. Bring in Favre!

Neil-Still-Rules-14
12-19-2008, 04:02 PM
Ben needs 138 more passing yards this year to have 3000 3 years in a row, the first Steelers QB ever to do that.
Also he needs one more TD pass to become the second to 100 behind TB.
And one more 300 yard game to have the most of those by a steeler ever.
THAT is elite.

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
12-19-2008, 04:24 PM
Ben needs 138 more passing yards this year to have 3000 3 years in a row, the first Steelers QB ever to do that.
Also he needs one more TD pass to become the second to 100 behind TB.
And one more 300 yard game to have the most of those by a steeler ever.
THAT is elite.

Put Leftwich in!

The_WARDen
12-19-2008, 04:34 PM
Ben needs 138 more passing yards this year to have 3000 3 years in a row, the first Steelers QB ever to do that.
Also he needs one more TD pass to become the second to 100 behind TB.
And one more 300 yard game to have the most of those by a steeler ever.
THAT is elite.

just because he is up there on Steeler QB lists doesn't make him elite. This organization has had some drek since Bradshaw.

* note - NOT A BEN BASHER!

Pi Kapp Steeler
12-19-2008, 07:35 PM
He has an X-factor that you can't look up in any statistic. How many times has he dug us out of a broken play or came from behind?! That is what I beleive truley makes the great ones. His stats will develop over time when he gets his O-Line, and Mendenhall in healthy, and when Limas Sweet Hands Sweed is in the rotation. Trust me!