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Atlanta Dan
12-15-2005, 10:38 PM
Interesting article in Post-Gazette Black & Gold Insider by Ed B. of the Post-Gazette today regarding Cowher remaining in a snit about discussions on Ben's thumb.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05349/622751.asp

Without repeating the entire article, key points were that:

"In a way, Cowher is throwing another quarterback under the bus by making it out to appear that this is such a minor injury that it should not even be mentioned. Full disclosure. As you may see by a story I wrote that's in Thursday's Post-Gazette, the thumb has a tendon or ligament strain with a sliver of bone chipped off. Where's the mystery or intrigue? Why could the Steelers have not just said that It's not as if an opponent can gain an advantage from that knowledge because they already know that Roethlisberger's thumb hurts him.

I'm starting to wonder about Cowher's relationships with his quarterbacks. He does not seem to support them the way he has supported other players on his team. Kordell Stewart was a prime example.

I do believe that Roethlsiberger rubs Cowher the wrong way. Maybe it's his youth or self-confidence, or maybe it's the fact that Roethlisberger does not bow to all of his coach's wishes (such as the motorcycle helmet issue). It was very telling in January when Cowher had such a strong reaction to Ben saying he broke three toes in the AFC title game against New England. Cowher vehemently denied they were broken. What was the big deal? The season was over. Cowher could have just shrugged and said he did not believe they were broken, but it was no big deal. Instead, he acted as if his quarterback had just hand delivered the game plan to the enemy."



To me, the Ben/Cowher relationship is strained because Cowher potentially will, for the first time since he arrived as coach in 1992, no longer be the center of attention for the Pittsburgh Steelers (e.g. - "It's Bill Cowher & the Pittsburgh Steelers on Monday Night Football!"). Belichek and Brady both appear to have checked their egos at the door to win Super Bowls, Tony Dungy appears comfortable in letting Peyton Manning be the star of the show, and Carson Palmer is working with a head coach who is as new to his job as Palmer is to being a QB in the NFL.

However, for the first time in his 14 year tenure as head coach, Cowher has a franchise QB to work with and those types (unlike simply great players at other positions like Bettis, Dermonnti Dawson & Rod Woodson) have a lot more clout than any other player. Cowher has never appeared to be good at sharing, but he better work it out with Ben or the Steelers management may work it out for him if the Steelers still have not won a Super Bowl when Ben comes up for free agency in a few years and wants a style of play & coaching more to his liking.

BB2W
12-15-2005, 10:46 PM
I do believe that Roethlsiberger rubs Cowher the wrong way.
I get the same feeling sometimes...

I have not liked all of my coworkers, but we got the job done. :grin:

Ambridge
12-15-2005, 10:49 PM
I remember hearing a quote from Johnny Unitas that went something like:

"A good Quarterback needs to know when to tell the head coach to go to Hell".

If it should come to it I hope Ben knows when to tell Bill to "Piss Off" concerning issues both on and off the field.

TexaSteeler
12-15-2005, 11:08 PM
Wow, good article. Explains a lot. Especially why he clung to a dud like Kordell. Forgive me guys, but I boycotted the Steelers in '00 and '01 because of him. I couldn't handle it. I still kind of hold a grudge against Cowher for that.

So we got Ben, are we going to keep him? You know in the NBA all-stars can get their coaches fired. We can only hope.

Koopa
12-15-2005, 11:19 PM
well cowher better not be rubbing big ben the wrong way when it comes time to resign him or we can say bye bye to the best thing that has happened to us in a long long time. and i would like to see ben tell cowher to go to hell that would be funny

StillerPaul
12-16-2005, 12:12 AM
Interesting article in Post-Gazette Black & Gold Insider by Ed B. of the Post-Gazette today regarding Cowher remaining in a snit about discussions on Ben's thumb.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05349/622751.asp

Without repeating the entire article, key points were that:

"In a way, Cowher is throwing another quarterback under the bus by making it out to appear that this is such a minor injury that it should not even be mentioned. Full disclosure. As you may see by a story I wrote that's in Thursday's Post-Gazette, the thumb has a tendon or ligament strain with a sliver of bone chipped off. Where's the mystery or intrigue? Why could the Steelers have not just said that It's not as if an opponent can gain an advantage from that knowledge because they already know that Roethlisberger's thumb hurts him.

I'm starting to wonder about Cowher's relationships with his quarterbacks. He does not seem to support them the way he has supported other players on his team. Kordell Stewart was a prime example.

I do believe that Roethlsiberger rubs Cowher the wrong way. Maybe it's his youth or self-confidence, or maybe it's the fact that Roethlisberger does not bow to all of his coach's wishes (such as the motorcycle helmet issue). It was very telling in January when Cowher had such a strong reaction to Ben saying he broke three toes in the AFC title game against New England. Cowher vehemently denied they were broken. What was the big deal? The season was over. Cowher could have just shrugged and said he did not believe they were broken, but it was no big deal. Instead, he acted as if his quarterback had just hand delivered the game plan to the enemy."



To me, the Ben/Cowher relationship is strained because Cowher potentially will, for the first time since he arrived as coach in 1992, no longer be the center of attention for the Pittsburgh Steelers (e.g. - "It's Bill Cowher & the Pittsburgh Steelers on Monday Night Football!"). Belichek and Brady both appear to have checked their egos at the door to win Super Bowls, Tony Dungy appears comfortable in letting Peyton Manning be the star of the show, and Carson Palmer is working with a head coach who is as new to his job as Palmer is to being a QB in the NFL.

However, for the first time in his 14 year tenure as head coach, Cowher has a franchise QB to work with and those types (unlike simply great players at other positions like Bettis, Dermonnti Dawson & Rod Woodson) have a lot more clout than any other player. Cowher has never appeared to be good at sharing, but he better work it out with Ben or the Steelers management may work it out for him if the Steelers still have not won a Super Bowl when Ben comes up for free agency in a few years and wants a style of play & coaching more to his liking.

AD can i share this with my Steeler fan friends at SR? Is that entire post from the article?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
12-16-2005, 02:16 AM
When Bens contract is up in a few years. the steelers better sign him to a long ass deal. Ben needs to retire as a steeler....and i agree.....Ben takes the steelers away from cowher.
But then again.......since last year and until ben retires.........its bens team.noone elses.....step aside cowher.....

Atlanta Dan
12-16-2005, 09:26 AM
AD can i share this with my Steeler fan friends at SR? Is that entire post from the article?

Stiller Paul

The entire article can be accessed through the link at the top of my post. I do not post full articles from BGI in that it is a paid site and the P-G presumably, although I doubt that it would do so, could argue reposting an entire article is a violation of fair use of copyrighted material.

The quoted excerpt which I clearly attribute to the P-G is the crux of the article and can be retransmitted as you see fit as far as I am concerned. If the link to the entire article works, then the P-G presumably does not care who accesses the whole article and retransmits it. If I get sued maybe I can ask the Forum members to contribute to my legal defense fund :)

For what it is worth, I have e-mailed Ed B. and asked him to consider writing an article for the dead trees version of the P-G, which could be accessed through the public P-G web site, which develops his views on the Ben-Cowher relationship and would include views (anonymous or otherwise) of the players on Ben's interactions with coaches and teammates.

Ben appears to have strained relationships with Cowher and at least some teammates. I believe the major issue the Steelers will have over the next several years is how their first franchise QB since Bradshaw fits into a team on which Ben is not surrounded by the number of stars on the '70s Steelers team that kept that team from becoming the Terry Bradshaw show. The real fireworks will come when Ben will need to decide if he will be like Tom Brady and leave some $$$ on the table in order that the Steelers can pay for other players or whether he will go the Peyton Manning/Michael Vick route and grab for every $ he can get. Given the problems that occurred in the Hines Ward negotiations, that may not be a pleasant process.

tony hipchest
12-16-2005, 01:25 PM
i dont see from cowher that he is a media hog or would be jealous of not being the main attraction in pittsburgh. and i think hes rather low key for being the longest tenured coach, and for as many coaches he has tutored, and all his success (and failures).

as for the helmet incident i think cowher talked to ben like a concerned father would. thats the impression i got.

as for cowher falling in love with kordell, i think that was seen as a sign of weakness and the coach has probably learned from that. he sort of got burnt. its probably a concentrated effort by him now to not show that much emotion for a certain player. i think he cares for and definitely respects all his players, but you notice since kordell he doesnt favor any or even pump any of their heads up to much. he doesnt slobber over any of his players. even the great ones. t. polamalu, hines ward, jerome, h. miller, faneca, porter, gildon, ben, etc. which one is his favorite? hes very good at keeping everything focused on the team as a whole.

ben and cowher will be fine and will have a strong relationship. anyone thinks ben didnt appreciate cowher oppenning up the offense for him with a bad thumb, one week after the beatdown in indy? i think theres mutual trust there and cowher is too smart not to know what he has in ben.

StillerPaul
12-16-2005, 03:05 PM
Stiller Paul

The entire article can be accessed through the link at the top of my post. I do not post full articles from BGI in that it is a paid site and the P-G presumably, although I doubt that it would do so, could argue reposting an entire article is a violation of fair use of copyrighted material.

The quoted excerpt which I clearly attribute to the P-G is the crux of the article and can be retransmitted as you see fit as far as I am concerned. If the link to the entire article works, then the P-G presumably does not care who accesses the whole article and retransmits it. If I get sued maybe I can ask the Forum members to contribute to my legal defense fund :)

For what it is worth, I have e-mailed Ed B. and asked him to consider writing an article for the dead trees version of the P-G, which could be accessed through the public P-G web site, which develops his views on the Ben-Cowher relationship and would include views (anonymous or otherwise) of the players on Ben's interactions with coaches and teammates.

Ben appears to have strained relationships with Cowher and at least some teammates. I believe the major issue the Steelers will have over the next several years is how their first franchise QB since Bradshaw fits into a team on which Ben is not surrounded by the number of stars on the '70s Steelers team that kept that team from becoming the Terry Bradshaw show. The real fireworks will come when Ben will need to decide if he will be like Tom Brady and leave some $$$ on the table in order that the Steelers can pay for other players or whether he will go the Peyton Manning/Michael Vick route and grab for every $ he can get. Given the problems that occurred in the Hines Ward negotiations, that may not be a pleasant process.


Oh, when i try to open the link it say's i have to be a member. I'm assuming i'd have to pay so i choose not to register in that case. Well thank you very much, i'll just share your views on the matter if it's all good by you. I happen to be very intrigued by this as we have had this kind of situation happen between Noll and Bradshaw back in the 70's. I wonder if that plays into his opinion at all.

Atlanta Dan
12-16-2005, 03:18 PM
Stiller Paul

As I said, the verbatim guts of the story are in the quoted part of my first post. Feel free to pass those quotes from Ed B. along to whomever.

I think Ed.B. has hit on something that will determine how this franchise goes in the next several years.

Sometimes coaches and big time QBs get along (Marino/Shula) and sometimes not (Marino/Johnson & Reeves/Elway). Unless Super Bowls are being won, someone usually leaves town in the latter situation.

StillerPaul
12-16-2005, 03:32 PM
Gotcha, AD. Man, that is a touchy subject. I think Ben will be happy as long as we keep adequate weapons around him and he feels he's allowed to grow as a QB. I gotta agree that i see him standing up for himself and the passing game in the future. But i just can't see coach Cowher holding him back.

SteelCityMan786
12-16-2005, 05:01 PM
How exactly Atlanta Dan does Big Ben Rub Him The Wrong Way.

clevestinks
12-16-2005, 05:14 PM
I think as long as we having winning season, All will be fine here. I hope and pray!

Dook
12-16-2005, 05:50 PM
Did Ben really break three toes in the AFCC game? No! So why wouldn't Cowher have such a strong reaction? It wasn't true!

BC the center of attention? Nobody wears jersey's with the name 'Cowher' on the back. Bettis and Ward have been getting the attention in Pittsburgh for a very long time.

People who don't like Cowher at least should be fair.

Atlanta Dan
12-16-2005, 06:17 PM
How exactly Atlanta Dan does Big Ben Rub Him The Wrong Way.


The portion of the post that is in quotes (that part that begins and ends with a ") are not my opinions, they are the opinions of Bouchette from the P-G. After the second " there are several spaces and then I post my take, which begins with this statement - To me, the Ben/Cowher relationship is strained because ....

Bouchette says Ben rubs Cowher the wrong way, not me. I happen to agree with Ed.B. on this (Rookie Ben travels to NYC to go on Letterman during a non-bye week last year/Ben says he "breaks" his toes in the AFC championship/Ben rides his motorcycle without a helmet/Ben talks about his thumb and Cowher gets ticked off).

If you want to ask Ed.B. the basis for his opinion on Ben rubbing Cowher the wrong way, you can send him an e-mail at ebouchette@post-gazette.com

Sorry if I have confused anyone

Atlanta Dan
12-16-2005, 06:37 PM
Did Ben really break three toes in the AFCC game? No! So why wouldn't Cowher have such a strong reaction? It wasn't true!

BC the center of attention? Nobody wears jersey's with the name 'Cowher' on the back. Bettis and Ward have been getting the attention in Pittsburgh for a very long time.

People who don't like Cowher at least should be fair.

I happen to like Cowher. However, who gets more sideline shots than Cowher during a game due to The Jaw hopefully spraying spit or otherwise going bats**t? What coach other than Cowher created a more memorable sideline shot in the last 10 years than when Cowher appeared to be thinking about tackling the Jax player who blocked the FG and ran it back at the end of the Monday night game in 1996? For that matter what other current coach other than Parcells (The Tuna - another coach who wants to be The Man on every team he has coached) has been given a nickname by the news media? I happen to enjoy all that, but it still results in Cowher being more of the face of a NFL team than most head coaches and it certainly appears he does not hide from the spotlight.

Because he came in when the Steelers neeeded a boost of energy in 1992, Cowher has been the main face of the Steelers since he arrived - Cowher got into a power struggle with Donahoe in the late 1990s and won it - Cowher insists that he be the only person who discusses injuries - Cowher wants to be (not without justification) The Man.

Is Cowher the only control freak who is a head coach in the NFL - no.

However, Cowher for the first time in his career has a hotshot young stud QB who is not taking any s**t from anyone, including the head coach (you want me to quit riding my motorcycle without a helmet and you want to go public about telling me to quit riding my motorcycle without a helmet? - screw you Coach)

I personally believe Cowher is still working through the fact there may be a new sheriff in town and it is not The Jaw.