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tony hipchest
12-18-2008, 04:46 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80d6d12a&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Pittsburgh's Mike Tomlin and Arizona's Ken Whisenhunt made their mark in 2007, their first season as head coaches. Atlanta's Mike Smith, Baltimore's John Harbaugh and Miami's Tony Sparano have their teams on the playoff doorstep in 2008, their rookie year. So when team owners look for new head coaches this offseason, expect them to duplicate the concept of hiring an innovative yet relatively inexperienced and inexpensive assistant to flip their franchise's fortunes.

So, what candidates should make the short list to become head coaches in 2009?

Well, Tomlin went to the Steelers when he was 36, making him the youngest of the five coaches mentioned, and Smith went to the Falcons when he was 49, making him the oldest, so being under 50 seems to fit the profile. Three of the five coaches were coordinators before taking over a team, with Sparano coming from an offensive line job and Harbaugh coming from a defensive back position, although he had been a special-teams coordinator.

Having a powerful influence earlier in their careers also seems to be a factor in the coach's rise to a top job. Mike Tomlin's roots were in the famed Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense, Whisenhunt had the Steelers' seal of approval, and Harbaugh learned organizational skills from the Eagles and defense from Jim Johnson. Sparano was a Bill Parcells disciple, and Smith had experience with tremendous defenses in Baltimore and Jacksonville.

With those factors in mind, here's my list of 10 candidates for head-coaching openings after this season ends:




1. Steve Spagnuolo
2. Josh McDaniels
3. Leslie Frazier
4. Jason Garrett
5. Raheem Morris
6. Jim Schwartz
7. Ron Rivera
8. Todd Haley
9. Brian Schottenheimer
10. Jeff Davidson

stillers4me
12-18-2008, 04:50 PM
No Bruce Arians????? :stirthepot:

KeiselPower99
12-18-2008, 05:57 PM
I wonder if we can get Todd Haley as our OC.

devilsdancefloor
12-18-2008, 06:17 PM
I wonder if we can get Todd Haley as our OC.

doesnt the cards throw the ball to much :stirthepot::noidea::wink02::chuckle:

lilyoder6
12-18-2008, 06:29 PM
i doubt jason garrett will be on another team next yr... that deal he signed in the off-season was insane... and prob could be dallas next HC

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
12-18-2008, 11:14 PM
If the Brownies HAVE to go the assistant route, I wouldn't mind getting Josh McDaniels. Guy could maybe help Quinn become a better QB.

He also grew up in NEOhio and I even played against a team his dad coached.

My list is however: Cowher and then Marty.

tony hipchest
12-18-2008, 11:38 PM
If the Brownies HAVE to go the assistant route, I wouldn't mind getting Josh McDaniels. Guy could maybe help Quinn become a better QB.

He also grew up in NEOhio and I even played against a team his dad coached.

My list is however: Cowher and then Marty.THAT WOULD BE GREAT! :tt02:

due to "belichick regret" they have already failed trying to catch falling swords once (romeo). i'd love to see them do it again (another scrub patriots assistant- mcdaniels).

after all, charlie weiss did wonders for brady quinns career and has returned notre dame to...

he has resurrected that franchise to...

:noidea: well, notre dame pretty much sucks. :doh:

as for cowher/shottenheimer, john riggins made a great point today. the browns need somebody to turn their franchise around (ala bill parcells, who turned around the giants, patriots, jets, and now dolphins).

his point was that shotty was a better fit than cowher, because, like parcells, marty is a "professional turner a rounder".

marty turned around the browns, chiefs, almost washington, and san diego.

who has cowher turned around? sure, he brought pittsburgh back to the playoffs and elite franchise status, but its not like the steelers needed "turning around". its not like they were turning in 2-14, 3-13, 4-12 seasons year after year.

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
12-19-2008, 12:15 AM
THAT WOULD BE GREAT! :tt02:

due to "belichick regret" they have already failed trying to catch falling swords once (romeo). i'd love to see them do it again (another scrub patriots assistant- mcdaniels).

after all, charlie weiss did wonders for brady quinns career and has returned notre dame to...

he has resurrected that franchise to...

:noidea: well, notre dame pretty much sucks. :doh:

as for cowher/shottenheimer, john riggins made a great point today. the browns need somebody to turn their franchise around (ala bill parcells, who turned around the giants, patriots, jets, and now dolphins).

his point was that shotty was a better fit than cowher, because, like parcells, marty is a "professional turner a rounder".

marty turned around the browns, chiefs, almost washington, and san diego.

who has cowher turned around? sure, he brought pittsburgh back to the playoffs and elite franchise status, but its not like the steelers needed "turning around". its not like they were turning in 2-14, 3-13, 4-12 seasons year after year.


Good points about McDaniels, hence why he's not my top choice as the new coach..But I think its rather slim pickens for us if Marty and Cowher both decline it.

Do agree with you and John Riggins about Marty, though I do want Cowher as our head man first and fore-most, I think having Marty back in any capacity would do wonders for the franchise. The only thing is..He can't get the "gleam". But for now, contending for the division and auctually making the playoffs seem better than just sitting around and waiting for draft day.

The dream scenario us Browns fans are all holding out for is, Bill getting the head coaching job and hiring Marty as the GM or some Front office gig, and Bernie Kosar auctually running the franchise business side of things.

steelreserve
12-19-2008, 10:45 AM
No Bruce Arians????? :stirthepot:

He'll probably go to the Raiders. That would be about par for everyone's course.

KeiselPower99
12-19-2008, 07:50 PM
If the Brownies HAVE to go the assistant route, I wouldn't mind getting Josh McDaniels. Guy could maybe help Quinn become a better QB.

He also grew up in NEOhio and I even played against a team his dad coached.

My list is however: Cowher and then Marty.

From Canton aint he? And his brother is an assistant for Canton McKinley if I remember correctly.

SteelCityMan786
12-19-2008, 08:59 PM
If the Brownies HAVE to go the assistant route, I wouldn't mind getting Josh McDaniels. Guy could maybe help Quinn become a better QB.

He also grew up in NEOhio and I even played against a team his dad coached.

My list is however: Cowher and then Marty.

Might as well go for Marty. Don't think Cowher wants to go anywhere.

RoethlisBURGHer
12-20-2008, 07:05 AM
Did anyone else see Bill Cowher on the CBS pregame show last week?

He said that he HATES the Ravens and was making it so obvious that he was rooting for the Steelers in this game, he even pulled out a Terrible Towel.

If he had a bone in his body that wanted to become the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns, he would have never done that IMHO.

So I think there's a good chance you can kiss the thought of Bill Cowher roaming the Browns sidelines goodbye.

revefsreleets
12-20-2008, 03:32 PM
Did anyone else see Bill Cowher on the CBS pregame show last week?

He said that he HATES the Ravens and was making it so obvious that he was rooting for the Steelers in this game, he even pulled out a Terrible Towel.

If he had a bone in his body that wanted to become the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns, he would have never done that IMHO.

So I think there's a good chance you can kiss the thought of Bill Cowher roaming the Browns sidelines goodbye.

It's gonna be an especially bitter pill for you to swallow, then.

It's all a smokescreen.

RoethlisBURGHer
12-20-2008, 06:10 PM
It's gonna be an especially bitter pill for you to swallow, then.

It's all a smokescreen.

And if it doesn't happen...are you going to eat your crow or bury your head in the sand and hide because you won't be able to admit that you were full of shit.

I just find it hard to beleive that Cowher said he wanted to be the Browns HC at the Ohio Auto Dealers Association meeting like you said he did, and it not being all over the newapapers.

Not in the day and age where big desicions from college sports teams to big government desicions gets leaked out to the media...but you're the only person to leak the info of what Cowher supposedly said.

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
12-20-2008, 08:34 PM
And if it doesn't happen...are you going to eat your crow or bury your head in the sand and hide because you won't be able to admit that you were full of shit.

I just find it hard to beleive that Cowher said he wanted to be the Browns HC at the Ohio Auto Dealers Association meeting like you said he did, and it not being all over the newapapers.

Not in the day and age where big desicions from college sports teams to big government desicions gets leaked out to the media...but you're the only person to leak the info of what Cowher supposedly said.

Big Ben has said as much:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-to-Cleveland-?urn=nfl,44046&cp=2

It was probably just shrugged off at the time, Romeo's job wasn't all that in jeopardy, there was speculation that he might have been fired if the '07 season didn't go well, but DA pulled a Tommy Maddox and saved romeo's job.

I trust revefsreleets because, he really doesn't have anything to gain on this. He's a Stelers fan whom lives in Ohio, and probably like you hates the Browns. ;), add the fact that its on a Steelers board and not on a Browns. Just shows a bit more creedence to it.

RoethlisBURGHer
12-20-2008, 08:45 PM
Big Ben has said as much:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-to-Cleveland-?urn=nfl,44046&cp=2

It was probably just shrugged off at the time, Romeo's job wasn't all that in jeopardy, there was speculation that he might have been fired if the '07 season didn't go well, but DA pulled a Tommy Maddox and saved romeo's job.

I trust revefsreleets because, he really doesn't have anything to gain on this. He's a Stelers fan whom lives in Ohio, and probably like you hates the Browns. ;), add the fact that its on a Steelers board and not on a Browns. Just shows a bit more creedence to it.

His source is himself, saying Cowher was at some auto dealers meeting and said that he'd love to come back to Cleveland and coach.

It would be one thing if he was just giving his opinion, but he said that Cowher had actually said it. Cowher just being in Cleveland would have been in the papers, and him saying what he supposedly said would have damn sure been in the newspapers.

43Hitman
12-20-2008, 09:16 PM
Rex Ryan could be a coaching candidate as well. They were saying in the game tonight that he will probably be offered a job this off-season. And was a finalist in the Falcons job last season.

KeiselPower99
12-21-2008, 12:36 AM
How Rex Ryan isnt a coach by now is suprising.

tony hipchest
12-21-2008, 12:49 AM
rex ryan is the next mike nolan or eric mangina....

he isnt coaching now because he couldnt beat out harbaugh for a job. just like his brother couldnt beat out kiffen for a job.

maybe it goes back to their dad sucking as a head coach? :noidea:

who knows?

fansince'76
12-21-2008, 12:56 AM
rex ryan is the next mike nolan or eric mangina....

he isnt coaching now because he couldnt beat out harbaugh for a job. just like his brother couldnt beat out kiffen for a job.

maybe it goes back to their dad sucking as a head coach? :noidea:

who knows?

Buddy Ryan wasn't the best at influencing people and making friends either, and it is a good ol' boy network. Or maybe he just gives a bad interview? :noidea:

KeiselPower99
12-21-2008, 11:05 AM
If Cowher says no I think the city is gonna erupt. Everyone there is so into him becoming their coach its pathetic and sad.

xfl2001fan
12-21-2008, 11:43 AM
Buddy Ryan wasn't the best at influencing people and making friends either, and it is a good ol' boy network. Or maybe he just gives a bad interview? :noidea:

Maybe owners are wising up to "successful" coordinators who merely have to coach exceptionally talented teams (ala Billick as OC for the Randy Moss/Chris Carter Vikings or RC as DC for the Patriots...and their tapes.)

RoethlisBURGHer
12-22-2008, 02:31 AM
Maybe owners are wising up to "successful" coordinators who merely have to coach exceptionally talented teams (ala Billick as OC for the Randy Moss/Chris Carter Vikings or RC as DC for the Patriots...and their tapes.)

Very good point.

How often does a coordinator of a bad offense or defense get hired as a head coach if he has no prior HC experience? It's not often.

Tomlin got the interview for two reasons, he was a minority so it complied with the Rooney Rule and because he was the coordinator of the best run defense in football that season. The Rooneys were not going to interview a minority canidate that didn't have a shot at the job, otherwise they would have interviewed some minority special teams coordinator or defensive line coach.

Teams go after guys who have worked for successful head coaches and have had success at their assitant positions.

I would think the Browns wouldn't go back to the Bellichick coaching tree after Romeo bombed out on them though. Once bitten, twice shy.

revefsreleets
12-22-2008, 09:19 AM
When are you kids gonna learn to stop questioning me when it comes to sources?

Frankly, I find the denial hillarious, but when I start getting attacked merely for being the messenger, it actually becomes absurd. Look, it's fine to be passionate about not wanting Cowher to coach for the Browns. I get that. But why bash me for pointing out what is rapidly becoming not only possible, but more and more probable?

http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/02/bill_cowher_is_a_hit_in_clevel.html

Bill Cowher, the long-time coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, visited enemy territory today as the keynote speaker for the Cleveland Auto Show dealer's breakfast.

Cowher, who played for the Browns and later was an assistant under Marty Schottenheimer, stepped down as Steelers coach a year ago to spend time with his family. He was rumored as a possible candidate for the Browns job at the start of last season when there was speculation that Romeo Crennel might be fired.

In a question-and-answer session following his speech, Cowher was asked if he'd ever want to come back and coach in Cleveland.

"I'd love to come back," Cowher said. "If there's a place I'd like to come back to, this is it."
He quickly added, "Don't get me wrong. I'm not coming back."

Cowher, who worked as a pre-game host on CBS this past season, praised Crennel.

"Romeo has done the hard work and now he's reaping the rewards," Cowher said. "He's a great head coach and you (Browns fans) should support him."

As he finished his speech, Cowher received a standing ovation from the crowd. He was asked if he ever expected that to happen in Cleveland.

"No one would ever believe me if I told them it did," he said.

KeiselPower99
12-22-2008, 02:43 PM
Kansas City with Marty. I guarantee it.

El-Gonzo Jackson
12-22-2008, 04:33 PM
No Bruce Arians????? :stirthepot:
I think he is #11 on that list, right ahead of #12 Russ Grimm. :toofunny:

revefsreleets
12-23-2008, 09:44 AM
An almost year old. "I'd love to coach here" is all you have???

We already knew Cowher was a Cleveland guy(he played there for 3 years and coached there for 3 years) , I don't see anything in that post that is compelling.

Not any better than what you have here, but a month newer

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08065/862482-66.stm

No, that is not "all I have". My source was questioned, and I supplied it.

Sounds like you're another person in denial.

Do you think a coach who makes 10 mil a year can't afford more than one house? Do you expect Cowher to come out and say "Yes, I plan on taking the Cleveland job after Crennel is fired"?

Things don't work that way. This is just like when rumors of lay-offs or mergers occur in corporate America: The second a denial is voiced, it almost surely means those lay-offs or that merger is/are imminent.