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steelersfanman92
12-21-2008, 03:42 PM
What do you think about getting a FB in one of the later rounds? Somebody that can really block and get that one yard when we need it. I really like Jorvorskie Lane out of Texas A&M, Brannan Southerland from GT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VhmOJ8kpF8) and Conredge Collins out of Pitt. A solild FB would really help the offense and get the running game going even with a not so solid line.

KeiselPower99
12-21-2008, 09:21 PM
Im all for a Fb but with BA running the show i dont think itll happen.

MDSteel15
12-21-2008, 10:38 PM
Then fire da bum!

Rhee Rhee
12-30-2008, 02:52 AM
a real leadblocker in the mold of dan kreider is quinn johnson out of LSU... played LB early on and switched to FB... at least we know he likes to hit people..

he'd be a nice FA pickup...

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
12-30-2008, 03:12 AM
I really like Jorvorskie Lane out of Texas A&M,

Couldn't agree more!!! :tt03:

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-30-2008, 07:26 AM
Javorskie Lane & Brandon Southerland top my list!!!

lilyoder6
12-30-2008, 08:55 AM
javorskie lane is an over weight BUM...

he is good for a few plays and then he needs a breather.... too risky i think

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-30-2008, 09:21 AM
javorskie lane is an over weight BUM...

he is good for a few plays and then he needs a breather.... too risky i think

2193 yards... 4.5 ypc...and 49 TD's

Holds A&M's TD record

Plays both HB and FB

Has played through this season with a neck stinger...which is why he played sporadically.

"BUM's" usually dont accumalate 49 rushing TD's.

El-Gonzo Jackson
12-30-2008, 09:21 AM
Javorskie Lane & Brandon Southerland top my list!!!
Where do you think Lane goes though? Maybe in the 4th or 5th round? I really doubt that we draft a FB and if we do, it will be a 7th rounder or maybe a UFA.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-30-2008, 09:30 AM
Where do you think Lane goes though? Maybe in the 4th or 5th round? I really doubt that we draft a FB and if we do, it will be a 7th rounder or maybe a UFA.

Southerland is predicted as a 5th rounder...I have seen Lane from 5th round to UFA...I think that those that have actually seen Lane have him rated higher, and the draftniks that are just looking at his weight and havnt seen him in action drop him because he doesnt fit the "mold".

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-30-2008, 09:38 AM
Traditionally FB's never get drafted before the 4th round...and only about 5-6 of them go in the draft at all...so the list of potential drafted FB's is a short list:

Brannan Southerland from Georgia
Chris Pressley from Wisconsin
Jorvorskie Lane from Texas A&M
Will Ta'ufo'ou from California
Conredge Collins from Pittsburgh
Eric Kettani from Navy

lilyoder6
12-30-2008, 01:34 PM
2193 yards... 4.5 ypc...and 49 TD's

Holds A&M's TD record

Plays both HB and FB

Has played through this season with a neck stinger...which is why he played sporadically.

"BUM's" usually dont accumalate 49 rushing TD's.

u put a 300 lb person on the goal line.. he can prob get u the 1 yrd and get a td..
esp in college

ok who cares about stats??? look at Ron Dayne.. the man was historic at wis.. and he sucked horribly in the nfl.. well not entirely but was never has good as ppl thought he was gonna be

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-30-2008, 01:50 PM
u put a 300 lb person on the goal line.. he can prob get u the 1 yrd and get a td..
esp in college

ok who cares about stats??? look at Ron Dayne.. the man was historic at wis.. and he sucked horribly in the nfl.. well not entirely but was never has good as ppl thought he was gonna be

He could end up being a Ron Dayne...except that Dayne was used primarily as a shortage back and not as a blocking FB....and even as a big back...he started dancing behind the line of scrimmage instead of running north/south.

When Texas A&M got the new coach, however...he moved Lane to FB...to prepare him for the NFL...he is a DEVASTATING blocker..and goes until the whistle blows.

Give him an NFL conditioning program and Lane could be a sixth or 7th round steal.

Besides...if he can get me a TD from the one yard line....I'll take him.

lilyoder6
12-30-2008, 02:54 PM
i did say that he was good for a few plays... and he'll just be a short yrd back.. anything else i don't see

it's that he runs out of o2 very quickly..

Texasteel
12-30-2008, 03:08 PM
Traditionally FB's never get drafted before the 4th round...and only about 5-6 of them go in the draft at all...so the list of potential drafted FB's is a short list:

Brannan Southerland from Georgia
Chris Pressley from Wisconsin
Jorvorskie Lane from Texas A&M
Will Ta'ufo'ou from California
Conredge Collins from Pittsburgh
Eric Kettani from Navy


I know a lot of people love Lane, But personally I like Southerland.

I still don't think you will give up much if anything in short yardage, he is a much better blocking back, and he will catch the ball out of the backfield.

And, he may not go till the 5th round. :thumbsup:

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-30-2008, 03:24 PM
I know a lot of people love Lane, But personally I like Southerland.

I still don't think you will give up much if anything in short yardage, he is a much better blocking back, and he will catch the ball out of the backfield.

And, he may not go till the 5th round. :thumbsup:

Southerland is the best pure blocker in this group..(in my opinion)...his stats are deceptive because he only got the ball in goalline situation..so you will see alot of 1-2 yard carries.

When comparing I think that :

Blocking...Southerland (slight advantage, though Lane is very, very good)
Running...Lane (both are good in short yardage and Lane much better in open field)
Catching..too close to call, but both are good

I would be happy with either of these guys.

lilyoder6
12-30-2008, 03:35 PM
u also have to look at the lvl of competition they are blocking against... i doubt they were going up against players like ray lewis, brian urlacher, james harrison, etc... i think thats y most fb's never get drafted higher than a 5th maybe a 4th...

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-30-2008, 04:29 PM
u also have to look at the lvl of competition they are blocking against... i doubt they were going up against players like ray lewis, brian urlacher, james harrison, etc... i think thats y most fb's never get drafted higher than a 5th maybe a 4th...

But dont all college players, regardless of position....play against college talent?

MasterOfPuppets
12-30-2008, 04:42 PM
do you guys think tomlin is going to demand a REAL fullback be worked back into the offense ? after all, they did cut one of the best in the business,just to accomodate arians system..... :noidea:

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-30-2008, 04:51 PM
do you guys think tomlin is going to demand a REAL fullback be worked back into the offense ? after all, they did cut one of the best in the business,just to accomodate arians system..... :noidea:

I'm hoping that the drop in rush yards opens his eyes to the reality of what a FB/big back could do for our system

MasterOfPuppets
12-30-2008, 05:04 PM
I'm hoping that the drop in rush yards opens his eyes to the reality of what a FB/big back could do for our systemthere's where the debate comes in for tomlin.....in one hand he has the leading rusher in the league thru 15 weeks last year ...... in the other he has this years mess to look at .......i wouldn't be suprised to see him give arians philosophy one more year to prove one way or another....... :doh:

Texasteel
12-30-2008, 07:05 PM
there's where the debate comes in for tomlin.....in one hand he has the leading rusher in the league thru 15 weeks last year ...... in the other he has this years mess to look at .......i wouldn't be suprised to see him give arians philosophy one more year to prove one way or another....... :doh:

I don't know MOP, it seemed like I noticed a little bit of a shift in their thinking the last game. It will be interesting how the 1st playoff game plays out.

MasterOfPuppets
12-30-2008, 08:15 PM
I don't know MOP, it seemed like I noticed a little bit of a shift in their thinking the last game. It will be interesting how the 1st playoff game plays out. well thats what confuses me about tomlin/arians.... they tend to NOT stick with what works. like the three step drops......remember the game ben went 31/41...300+ yds? why do we not see that alot more? a 5 yard pass, works just as well as a 5 yard run. and it keeps the linebackers guessing. ......the no huddle.....why do they do it for 3....4 plays then stop? if its freakin workin....STICK WITH IT !!! remember ben gushing over it BEFORE the season started? i was expecting to see regular intervals of it during games....not just when desparation sets in. the best way to slow a pass rush down is to tire em out.

lilyoder6
12-31-2008, 12:34 PM
But dont all college players, regardless of position....play against college talent?

not rly.. u play against players and then u play against sunday players.. evry team u play won't have many sunday players... thats what i'm talking about...

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-31-2008, 01:18 PM
not rly.. u play against players and then u play against sunday players.. evry team u play won't have many sunday players... thats what i'm talking about...

Thanks for clarifying...what you are saying is that some college players dont play against opponants who will someday be in the NFL...now I understand

lilyoder6
12-31-2008, 05:10 PM
u welcome llt.. maybe i should of done that in the first place.. bad on my part...

steelerdave1969
01-25-2009, 09:50 AM
a real leadblocker in the mold of dan kreider is quinn johnson out of LSU... played LB early on and switched to FB... at least we know he likes to hit people..

he'd be a nice FA pickup...

Man, I love the way you are looking at our backfield. I think that FB Quinn Johnson would be an awesome pick up, but I really dont think there is much chance that he will make it to the free agency pool after last nights performance. He can block very well, and he is showing he can catch the ball pretty well as well.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-25-2009, 11:02 AM
Man, I love the way you are looking at our backfield. I think that FB Quinn Johnson would be an awesome pick up, but I really dont think there is much chance that he will make it to the free agency pool after last nights performance. He can block very well, and he is showing he can catch the ball pretty well as well.

I think you are correct...this years FB crop isnt as deep as last year and unless someones impresses at the combine we may only see 2 FB drafted (Southerland & Johnson)...with a few more going in as UDFA.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-25-2009, 11:19 AM
Arians likes more flexible players at FB-Hback. I think Conredge Collins is a good fit as a receiving/running threat that can block....but I dont know if we will spend a 5th round pick on him as he might go around there.

Eric Kattani from Navy really impressed me in Senior Bowl week as a blocker. The kid is tough.

SunshineMan21
01-25-2009, 04:38 PM
I've liked the way Sean McHugh has been used as a lead blocker this year, but we need a real FB, and Carey Davis isn't it. He's a good ST player, but he's a poor rusher/receiver and he's been pretty clearly outclassed by McHugh as a blocker.

That said, we have much more pressing needs than FB, especially if McHugh continues to get PT over Davis. I wouldn't want to see us pass on O-line, D-line, or maybe even a DB until at least the fifth round.

MDSteel15
01-25-2009, 11:07 PM
How about Tony Fiammetta from 'Cuse?

TheSteelCurtain
01-26-2009, 12:33 AM
We need a good Fullback. Dan Kreider is missed in our running game a lot more than some people think. Not really familiar with this player. Ill check him out however.

MDSteel15
01-26-2009, 09:38 AM
He's a big boy, actually from my area, so you can call me a homer :noidea: But he is on some lists as a possible FA pickup being rated in the top 10 at FB!

TheSteelCurtain
01-26-2009, 10:08 AM
Steelers love unsigned free agents they turn into stars.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-26-2009, 12:13 PM
How about Tony Fiammetta from 'Cuse?

Tony Fiammetta, Syracuse
Height: 5-11. Weight: 246.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2009): 7.
1/5/09: Tony Fiammetta caught 16 passes for 127 yards and a touchdown. He also had five carries. His strength is his powerful run blocking
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009FB.php

steelymcmatt
01-26-2009, 01:34 PM
I definitely think we need to pick up a FB/big back, but I'm not sure it needs to be in the draft. Kreider is a free agent, as are several other quality FB.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-26-2009, 10:27 PM
I definitely think we need to pick up a FB/big back, but I'm not sure it needs to be in the draft. Kreider is a free agent, as are several other quality FB.

The Steelers will never pay a veteran FB, a veteran salary. Why bother when you can get a guy in the 7th round or UDFA and pay him in Primanti's to lead block 10 times a game.? :noidea:

steelymcmatt
01-27-2009, 08:07 AM
The Steelers will never pay a veteran FB, a veteran salary. Why bother when you can get a guy in the 7th round or UDFA and pay him in Primanti's to lead block 10 times a game.? :noidea:

That's easy.....I would mych rather have a veteran protecting my 100+ million dollar man than some rookie

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-27-2009, 09:12 AM
That's easy.....I would much rather have a veteran protecting my 100+ million dollar man than some rookie

The only problem with that logic is that we have a "vet" blocking for him now...and I see a number of upcoming rookies that could do a better job.

steelymcmatt
01-27-2009, 09:24 AM
I understand that, but wouldn't you rather have a COMPETENT veteran like Kreider who knows our system on a 1-2 year deal to train the late round draft pick?

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-27-2009, 09:43 AM
I understand that, but wouldn't you rather have a COMPETENT veteran like Kreider who knows our system on a 1-2 year deal to train the late round draft pick?

Yes...but I understand the monetary reasons behind not spending Vet money on the FB position...
If given the choice I would take Southerland over Kreider for that reason alone...since both are competent blockers and since the play book for a fullback isnt near as complex as other skill positions.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-27-2009, 10:20 AM
That's easy.....I would mych rather have a veteran protecting my 100+ million dollar man than some rookie
FB and LT are 2 EXTREMELY different positions. Its why there were something like 7 OT's taken in the 1st round and only 4 FB's were taken in the entire draft.

A lot of teams have de-emphasized the FB and just about anybody that is a decent blocker can be told to lead to a hole and hit the defender he sees 1st. If you miss a block, its just a 1 yard loss. A rookie like Peyton Hillis can do that much cheaper than a veteran like Dan Kreider.

Playing LT on the other hand involves technique, quickness, strength and if you miss a block, you end up on sportcentre labelled as a bum. Guys that give up 8 sacks a season are labelled as bad pass blockers. 1 bad play every 2 games!!!!! No comparison between a veteran LT and a veteran FB.

steelymcmatt
01-27-2009, 11:14 AM
FB and LT are 2 EXTREMELY different positions. Its why there were something like 7 OT's taken in the 1st round and only 4 FB's were taken in the entire draft.

A lot of teams have de-emphasized the FB and just about anybody that is a decent blocker can be told to lead to a hole and hit the defender he sees 1st. If you miss a block, its just a 1 yard loss. A rookie like Peyton Hillis can do that much cheaper than a veteran like Dan Kreider.

Playing LT on the other hand involves technique, quickness, strength and if you miss a block, you end up on sportcentre labelled as a bum. Guys that give up 8 sacks a season are labelled as bad pass blockers. 1 bad play every 2 games!!!!! No comparison between a veteran LT and a veteran FB.

No one I know is comparing a LT to a FB....we are comparing signing a veteran FB to taking a late round FB.

steelymcmatt
01-27-2009, 11:15 AM
Yes...but I understand the monetary reasons behind not spending Vet money on the FB position...
If given the choice I would take Southerland over Kreider for that reason alone...since both are competent blockers and since the play book for a fullback isnt near as complex as other skill positions.

I see your point.....all I know is that there is some value to having a proven commodity over what is at best a crap-shoot draft pick

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-27-2009, 11:46 AM
No one I know is comparing a LT to a FB....we are comparing signing a veteran FB to taking a late round FB.

FB...by nature... are ALL late rounders...The better FB's are usually 4th rounders.

Since the current players agreement in the NFL does not differentiate, by positiion, how much Vets make...but rather by years only...Teams, more often then not, will let go of players at certain non-skill positiions..and replace them with younger,cheaper players.

Fullback's ...TE's who are chiefly blocking specialists...and LS's...rotate in and out of teams consistantly.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-27-2009, 11:49 AM
I see your point.....all I know is that there is some value to having a proven commodity over what is at best a crap-shoot draft pick

..and you have a valid point when the team in question does not find a competant replacement....(i.e.... Carey Davis)

Crushzilla
01-27-2009, 01:40 PM
I've liked the way Sean McHugh has been used as a lead blocker this year, but we need a real FB, and Carey Davis isn't it. He's a good ST player, but he's a poor rusher/receiver and he's been pretty clearly outclassed by McHugh as a blocker.

That said, we have much more pressing needs than FB, especially if McHugh continues to get PT over Davis. I wouldn't want to see us pass on O-line, D-line, or maybe even a DB until at least the fifth round.

Agreed.

I want to see what McHugh can do. He's a FB/TE so he HAS to have some hands too.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-27-2009, 06:43 PM
No one I know is comparing a LT to a FB....we are comparing signing a veteran FB to taking a late round FB. You said you would rather have a veteran protecting your $100 mil QB instead of a roookie. I thought you were talking about a OT.

A FB is rarely kept in for pass protection, but rather used as a lead blocker. If a back is asked to block in passing situations, it is usually the 3rd down back like Moore who is a good pass protector. I dont see why a FB would be counted on to protect Ben, but instead lead block for our running game and in short yardage.

Honestly, with Arians offense it would be lucky to see a FB in on 10-15 snaps in a game, so paying a vet FB $760 000- $1mil is highly doubtful.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-29-2009, 03:11 PM
Hey folks, so in the case of FB's, there were only 4 drafted last year. Let's be optimistic and say 5 get drafted this season.....who are your favorite 5?

Southerland from Georgia
Lane, Texas A&M
Collins, Pitt
Johnson, LSU
Kattani, Navy

steelersfanman92
01-29-2009, 03:17 PM
if Kattani gets drafted will the same thing happen to him that happened to Caleb Campbell from Army where he had to be in the service before he could play?

steelerdave1969
01-29-2009, 03:29 PM
Quinn Johnson the FB from LSU is the man, he blocks like a maniac and recieves the ball well out of the backfield. Mayb everyone felt the same way about when the Steelers chose P Daniel Supelveda year before last when I remember all kinds of people questioning the Steelers org. then about him. The man was sorely missed this season after suffering a season ending injury in the preseason. A 5th round or even a 4th rounder when we are gonna have an extra 3rd anyway would be a nice spot for a FB.
If you really enjoyed that style of Steelers Football then we need that blocking FB back in our lineup.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-31-2009, 09:04 AM
Hey folks, so in the case of FB's, there were only 4 drafted last year. Let's be optimistic and say 5 get drafted this season.....who are your favorite 5?

Southerland from Georgia
Lane, Texas A&M
Collins, Pitt
Johnson, LSU
Kattani, Navy

Gotta go with Southerland and Johnson....I would have taken Lane if he hadnt eaten his way out of the draft.

Godfather
02-01-2009, 10:18 AM
We can't tell much about Quinn Johnson from his college career. LSU used him primarily as a blocker which is understandable since we had Joseph Addai, Jacob Hester, Charles Scott, Keiland Williams, and Richard Murphy.

But the Steelers would want him as a short-yardage back and all we have to go on is the Senior Bowl.

atlsteelers
02-02-2009, 02:05 PM
after watching southerland play the last few years - he is a gamer. our offense was a different beast with him in the game. he is a very good athlete and has great hands out of the back field and he has a knack for finding the endzone. he lead the bulldogs in touchdowns his sophmore season. the down side of sutherland is he has been banged upped. he missed a lot of games the past season and half. but i would definately draft him. he could be a nice third down or goal line back too.

Steelersfanforlife
02-05-2009, 03:35 PM
that could actually work out

lilyoder6
02-05-2009, 04:43 PM
i can rly be happy with just keeping sean mchugh as a 3rd te and a fb.. then poss cutting davis and opening up another roster spot on the team..

the league is changing and the fb pos is becoming extinct