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Jammer
01-07-2009, 01:21 PM
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1298/Blog-network-debate--Chargers-vs--Steelers.html

Which quarterback will have a bigger impact?



Philip Rivers and the Chargers ride a five-game winning streak into Pittsburgh Sunday.
Bill Williamson: John, it's going to be San Diego quarterback Philip Rivers. The Chargers are the hottest team in the NFL and Rivers is one of the hottest players in the league. He's playing out of his mind. Why shouldn't he? It's the playoffs and Rivers is a late-season player.

Rivers, taken seven picks higher than Roethlisberger, has developed into one of the great late-season players. He is 14-0 in December games and he is 3-2 in the postseason. While Indianapolis' Peyton Manning got his numbers Saturday night, it was Rivers who led the Chargers to 10 points in the final minute of regulation and in overtime.

Rivers is a big-game player. Yes, Big Ben has his Super Bowl ring and he knows how to get it done in the clutch as well. But Rivers is red hot. His statistics far surpass Roethlisberger's numbers in 2008. Rivers is playing with a purpose. He is a fantastic leader. He will not be intimidated by the vaunted Pittsburgh defense or the miserable weather. Rivers has willed the Chargers to victory during this five-game win streak, and there's no reason not to think Rivers won't do it again, Mr. Clayton.

John Clayton: Billy, you can throw me all the stats you want, but Ben Roethlisberger was the first of the top three quarterbacks taken in the 2004 draft to go to the Super Bowl and win, beating Eli Manning and Philip Rivers to the punch. The 14-0 December stat is nice, but Roethlisberger did get the field goal drive to beat Rivers in Pittsburgh this year. He's a big-time player in big-time games. Rivers is a quarterback who is learning the playoffs. Last year, he learned how to win a playoff game, beating the Titans. Roethlisberger is one of the best in football in the final two possessions of the fourth quarter. He has a presence in those situations that is one of the best in football. He has a strong arm that doesn't have problems in windy conditions. I'm not going to make a pick in this game, but Roethlisberger has the edge during his career in one key stat -- wins. He's 51-20 during the regular season and he's done it against tough schedules. Drew Brees has better stats than both those guys, but don't bet against Roethlisberger in the final four minutes of any game.



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Can San Diego's defense keep up with Pittsburgh's defense?


BW: Yes. Look, the Pittsburgh defense is special. It is fantastic in every phase and it is mean and nasty.

But the Chargers' defense is playing at a high level, too. It gave up just 17 points to Manning and the Colts. During this streak, San Diego's defense is playing near the top of the league.

It has been aggressive, instinctive and timely.


Joe Robbins/Getty Images
James Harrison was named the NFL's defensive player of the year.
All three phases of the defense are clicking.
It made key plays in Pittsburgh seven weeks ago in a game the Steelers won in the final minute, 11-10. The Steelers did not score a touchdown in the game. And the Chargers' defense is much better than it was seven weeks ago. That game was San Diego's second under defensive coordinator Ron Rivera who took over for the fired Ted Cottrell.
The defense has improved dramatically under Rivera. San Diego is attacking the ball much better now. The Chargers are not going to be afraid going into Pittsburgh.

On San Diego's last defensive play of the game against the Colts, it came through with a sack of Manning on third-and-2 deep in Colts territory, setting up the game-tying field goal. Had Indianapolis converted the first down, it probably would have run out the clock. That play typified the new San Diego defense. That is the defense that is headed to Pittsburgh, John.

JC: You are correct that the Chargers' defense can keep up with the Steelers because the first game was 11-10 and I don't figure this to be a high-scoring game either. We both agree the Steelers' defense is better this year. They gave up only 3.9 yards a play. The Chargers give up too many big plays, but they are getting better and it might cost them Rivera. He looks like a head coaching waiting to be hired. But the Steelers have the master of the 3-4, Dick LeBeau, who created the zone blitz and runs it better than just about anyone. As much as the Chargers have fallen in love with Rivera, the Steelers have been in LeBeau's corner for years. The difference in this game is that the Steelers have James Harrison, the defensive player of the year. It's a shame that Shawne Merriman wasn't healthy enough to be in this game. His big-play ability could have topped Harrison's. The Chargers have the new defense. The Steelers' defense is the one that has aged as beautifully as a fine wine.


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Can San Diego be effective in the poor weather?

JC: There is no doubt that Darren Sproles will slip on the Heinz Field grass. The field has been re-sodded and they are talking about snow and wet conditions.


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Slick field conditions could make things interesting for Darren Sproles (43) and Willie Parker.
The temperature is going to be in the teens. Billy, pack your coat. You'll feel like you're back in Green Bay or Minnesota. Of course, the Steelers will be affected, too. Willie Parker is a back who gains yards because of his speed and elusiveness just like Sproles. Both backs will have problems. What I'm more concerned about it how Rivers is going to throw if the wind is coming off the Ohio River. His ball doesn't travel with the speed of Roethlisberger's and could be affected in the conditions. This is Steelers weather, not Chargers weather. Historically, the Steelers have had some of the best equipment people in sports figuring out the right shoes and the right ways to stay warm. The Chargers are still learning. I think the other player whom the weather will impact is Nate Kaeding, the Chargers' kicker. Visiting kickers have their worst days in Heinz Field. Kaeding has the extra problem that he is playing with a groin injury suffered when he slipped on the opening kickoff in San Diego last week.
BW: It's not ideal for the California beach boys, but the Chargers can handle the bad weather.

The temperature is supposed to be in the high 20s with a chance of snow. It's not going to remind anyone of Pacific Beach, John, that's for sure.

But the Chargers are expecting poor weather and they are used to it. Their last trip to Pittsburgh, on Nov. 16, was played in miserable weather.

The Chargers are ready to slug it out. This is a tough, stout team that is willing to play smashmouth football. Remember, San Diego nearly won in bad weather in Pittsburgh this season.

Mentally, that is what this team is thinking about. It knows it can play in bad weather. The key for San Diego is footing. If Sproles -- who is expected to play a lot with LaDainian Tomlinson hobbled by a groin injury -- can keep from slipping and sliding on offense and on special teams, the Chargers should be fine. That is the only potential weather hazard awaiting the California boys, but the Steelers' skill-position players will have to deal with the slick field conditions as well.

Fire Haley
01-07-2009, 01:27 PM
John Clayton is a smart man.

Fire Haley
01-07-2009, 01:34 PM
Who will meet in the AFC Championship Game?

15% Ravens and Chargers

45% Ravens and Steelers

11% Titans and Chargers

29% Titans and Steelers

Total Votes: 45291

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl

Jammer
01-07-2009, 01:44 PM
Who will meet in the AFC Championship Game?

15% Ravens and Chargers

45% Ravens and Steelers

11% Titans and Chargers

29% Titans and Steelers

Total Votes: 45291

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl

wishing for 15%

HometownGal
01-07-2009, 02:22 PM
This is Steelers weather, not Chargers weather.

Glad we can put this debate to rest. Oh - what am I thinking? It's -19 in Montreal in January. :flap::chuckle:

Rick5895
01-07-2009, 02:34 PM
Steelers will win 27-10

Jammer
01-07-2009, 02:37 PM
Steelers will win 27-10

in a pipe dream game will be 17-14

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-07-2009, 03:07 PM
Glad we can put this debate to rest. Oh - what am I thinking? It's -19 in Montreal in January. :flap::chuckle: Yeah, but its 70 inside Schwartz's Deli where they serve the best Montreal Smoked Meat Sandwich :drool:

Steelers 20- Bolts 13

Jammer
01-07-2009, 03:14 PM
Yeah, but its 70 inside Schwartz's Deli where they serve the best Montreal Smoked Meat Sandwich :drool:

Steelers 20- Bolts 13

Now you are talking :)

CHEZ PARÉE? anyone? :flap:

sdchargeher
01-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Steelers will win 27-10

rofl the steelers will not score anywhere near 27. I'm thinking 17-13 chargers or 24-13 chargers. The Chargers offense will be more effective and score TOUCHDOWNS against the steelers defense than the steelers offense vs a VERY well playing Chargers defense. I mean Peyton Manning only managed 17 points and one of those was a cheapy td. So manning gets 10 points basically and you expect big ben to lead the steelers to 27?? Not Gonna happen bruh. Of course if you want to still say oh the chargers are 31st in pass defense and yada yada ya. Fact is WE ALL KNOW the Chargers can play some defense. Whether we had merriman or not this year we would have sucked through the middle of the season. Our d coord was an idiot and got fired. Rivera has these boys playing like the Chargers of old and the team is playing better than I've ever seen them in the past. Whether we were 14-2 11-5 or 9-8. Records really don't matter what does matter is who is playing the best football.
Then consider we beat the colts with 2 red zone turnovers and scored 52 41 and 34 points in our previous games and its easy to see how the chargers will win this game. I'll be here after the game regardless of the outcome.

Polamalu43
01-07-2009, 04:01 PM
Trust me guys. Nate Kaeding will choke once again in the playoffs for them. the guy can't kick to save his life in perfect weather games, how do you think hes gonna do in this poor weather game, probably in snow? NOT GOOD.


STEELERS 28

CHARGELESS 17

Bolts+-
01-07-2009, 04:08 PM
Trust me guys. Nate Kaeding will choke once again in the playoffs for them. the guy can't kick to save his life in perfect weather games, how do you think hes gonna do in this poor weather game, probably in snow? NOT GOOD.


STEELERS 28

CHARGELESS 17

You guys are pretty funny. If (and thats a huge IF) the Steelers score 28, the defense will have to score 14 of those :coffee:

fansince'76
01-07-2009, 04:15 PM
You guys are pretty funny. If (and thats a huge IF) the Steelers score 28, the defense will have to score 14 of those :coffee:

Yeah, just as funny as you guys thinking you've suddenly become the '85 Bears on D. :coffee:

Polamalu43
01-07-2009, 04:16 PM
Yeah, just as funny as you guys thinking you've suddenly become the '85 Bears on D. :coffee:

:sofunny::toofunny:

Polamalu43
01-07-2009, 04:17 PM
You guys are pretty funny. If (and thats a huge IF) the Steelers score 28, the defense will have to score 14 of those :coffee:

Does it matter though who scores, what if we win?? Umm NO! Thank you

Fire Haley
01-07-2009, 04:29 PM
wishing for 15%

I see you're stealing my fine material and taking it back to your home burrow like a weasel.


http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=64386

Polamalu43
01-07-2009, 04:30 PM
I see you're stealing my material and taking it back to your home burrow like a weasel.


http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=64386

Now that's just pathetic. can we ban the charger troll now please??

Fire Haley
01-07-2009, 07:54 PM
Now that's just pathetic. can we ban the charger troll now please??

no no

That's not what I meant - it's just that my powers of perception reach far beyond these walls.


You can run but you can't hide.

steel striker
01-07-2009, 08:26 PM
Charger fans do you hear that? Tic tic tic. Your time in the playoffs is coming to and end on sunday and, furthermore Ben can put up more points than Manning. I have a funny feeling that Fast Willie is going to have a big game. Call me crazy if you want to but, I have a hunch that you charger fans are for a rough game. Final 31-10 steelers.

:tt::tt::tt::tt03::tt03::tt03:

lilyoder6
01-07-2009, 08:47 PM
the steelers need to demolish the chargers to make evryone who is jumping on the chargers ashamed

markymarc
01-08-2009, 07:12 AM
rofl the steelers will not score anywhere near 27. I'm thinking 17-13 chargers or 24-13 chargers.

That's funny how you think Ben won't score much against your defense, but for some odd reason you think the Bolts offense is going to put up 17 or 24 points on the #1 NFL defense. You only got 10 points the last game, but now for some reason they are going to put up at least 17. Laughable at best. Good luck believing that hype.