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tony hipchest
01-08-2009, 07:11 PM
as much as our running game has fallen, weve heard many excuses and reasons why, but the one i cant recall seeing (and never really thought about) was the impact of losing long time steeler coach dick hoak.

was he not to the steelers running game, what lebeau is to the defense? just look at some of the running backs he has worked with. franco and rocky. foster had the most yards ever for a steeler back and finished 2nd to e. smith in his prime for the running title. bam looked like he would be a star. jerome, duce, and parker were all leading the league in rushing late in the season until injuries derailed it.

would you not want this guy as mendenhalls coach over anyone else? no knock on kirby, but hoaks resume speaks for itself, much like lebeaus.

has his retirement been an underrated part of the drop in our run game? to say "no" almost seems to discredit what an obviously great position coach he was.

Preacher
01-08-2009, 07:20 PM
I don't think the position could fall off that fast... then again, with all the new guys this year, it could.

It could also be the input he had to the offensive game planning.

TheWarDen86
01-08-2009, 07:24 PM
It's hard to say how much of an impact since the new OC and his change in the run philosophy, but I'm sure the was some impact as a result of DH leaving.

tony hipchest
01-08-2009, 07:31 PM
I don't think the position could fall off that fast... then again, with all the new guys this year, it could.

It could also be the input he had to the offensive game planning.granted... losing faneca is the biggest factor, plus abandonning a kreider type FB is probably something hoke couldnt overcome.

but, to give the man his just due, his retirement certainly hasnt helped. i would really like to hear willie and jeromes honest thoughts on the topic.

TheWarDen86
01-08-2009, 07:34 PM
granted... losing faneca is the biggest factor, plus abandonning a kreider type FB is probably something hoke couldnt overcome.

but, to give the man his just due, his retirement certainly hasnt helped. i would really like to hear willie and jeromes honest thoughts on the topic.

Tony, mind if I do "mini-hijacking here?"

Do you guys think that when/if Cowher starts coaching again, he could/would coax Dick LeBeau into joining him?

Personally, I think DL loves the city and the team first, but that's not to say it doesn't worry me a bit. That, and his inevitable retirement.

Thanks.

PisnNapalm
01-08-2009, 07:46 PM
I think LeBeau would retire first before leaving the Steelers again. He's a Steeler through and through.

jjpro11
01-08-2009, 11:55 PM
i dont think lebeau would choose cowher over his players. as a matter of fact i know he wouldnt. that doesnt mean he doesnt like cowher.. but the players and him seem to have a special relationship. by the time most of the guys on our defense are gone, lebeau will already be retired.

Steelers & I
01-09-2009, 04:40 AM
as much as our running game has fallen, weve heard many excuses and reasons why, but the one i cant recall seeing (and never really thought about) was the impact of losing long time steeler coach dick hoak.

was he not to the steelers running game, what lebeau is to the defense? just look at some of the running backs he has worked with. franco and rocky. foster had the most yards ever for a steeler back and finished 2nd to e. smith in his prime for the running title. bam looked like he would be a star. jerome, duce, and parker were all leading the league in rushing late in the season until injuries derailed it.

would you not want this guy as mendenhalls coach over anyone else? no knock on kirby, but hoaks resume speaks for itself, much like lebeaus.

has his retirement been an underrated part of the drop in our run game? to say "no" almost seems to discredit what an obviously great position coach he was.

The Steelers definitely fielded some good runing backs during Hoak's tenure. Along with the ones that you've mentioned I'll throw in Merril Hoge, Walter Abercrombie, Preston Pearson, Frank Pollard.

Hammer67
01-09-2009, 09:55 AM
I think Parker lead the league in rushing late last year without Hoak coaching and Arians was the OC.

I am not sure if that had as much impact as the injuries to the O line and RB's this year have.

tony hipchest
01-09-2009, 09:59 AM
I think Parker lead the league in rushing late last year without Hoak coaching and Arians was the OC.

I am not sure if that had as much impact as the injuries to the O line and RB's this year have.that was parkers 1st year w/o hoak.

with hoak, he went from udfa to pro bowl starter. point being is that he coached parker.

mendenhall, moore, and russell dont get the luxury of being coached by a legend.

Hammer67
01-09-2009, 10:02 AM
that was parkers 1st year w/o hoak.

with hoak, he went from udfa to pro bowl starter. point being is that he coached parker.

mendenhall, moore, and russell dont get the luxury of being coached by a legend.

I guess it can be considered, but I think at the pro level, the fundamentals of the positional coach probably don't have as great an impact as the scheming of the coordinators. At least not as much when you compare them to their counterparts at the HS and collegiate levels.

Look at how many rookie RB's come into the league and tear it up.