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i82much
01-12-2009, 09:05 PM
Yeah ... Ravens fan here. Sure, I understand the rivalry and all, but I can say as much as Hines Ward annoys the crap out of me I'd want him on my team in a heartbeat. As for Ray, the guy has been a great player for a LONG time, he's done nothing but the right things since the "incident," and he's a great teammate and mentor for young players around the league - not just Ravens.

I see all these comments disparaging the guy on this board, why??? And even comments on his playing ability which is just silly. He still stuffs the run up the middle better than anybody, although the sideline to sideline speed isn't what it was.

Sharkissle29
01-12-2009, 09:07 PM
why? i dont support murderers

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 09:07 PM
easy-- hes a ratbird!! Enough said. NEXT -->

Hapa
01-12-2009, 09:08 PM
I know a lot of people hate Ray, but I honestly love him as a player (which means I hate him because he's so good) and wish we had player like him.

High intensity guys are fun to watch and make the whole team better, and he's the definition of high intensity.

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 09:08 PM
Yeah ... Ravens fan here. Sure, I understand the rivalry and all, but I can say as much as Hines Ward annoys the crap out of me I'd want him on my team in a heartbeat. As for Ray, the guy has been a great player for a LONG time, he's done nothing but the right things since the "incident," and he's a great teammate and mentor for young players around the league - not just Ravens.

I see all these comments disparaging the guy on this board, why??? And even comments on his playing ability which is just silly. He still stuffs the run up the middle better than anybody, although the sideline to sideline speed isn't what it was.

Why cause after he burns your D, he always smiles?? i would do the same also

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 09:09 PM
I know a lot of people hate Ray, but I honestly love him as a player (which means I hate him because he's so good) and wish we had player like him.
High intensity guys are fun to watch and make the whole team better, and he's the definition of high intensity.

We already do, his name is harrison!! :tt02:

steelpride12
01-12-2009, 09:10 PM
First because he is a Raven, don't have many respect for them, and he is a murderer and got away with it.

RoethlisBURGHer
01-12-2009, 09:11 PM
1. He had his hand in two murders. He's not guilty but paid restitustion to the families of the victims? Last I checked, innocent people don't pay restitustion.

2. He plays for the Ravens, 'nuff said there.

3. He claims to be "God's Linebacker" but with the language he uses on the field, I highly doubt God would want His linebacker to use it. He's a hypocrite, plain and simple.

i82much
01-12-2009, 09:11 PM
Yes. You are correct. Ray Lewis is a murderer.

How many extra chromosomes do you have?

HometownGal
01-12-2009, 09:14 PM
Three reasons:

(1) He should be breaking rocks in a prison yard;

(2) He gets and takes credit for tackles he doesn't make;

(3) I'm sick to death of listening to every single commentator in every single Rats game slobbin' his knob. Ed Reed trumps him a zillion times over and doesn't get mentioned a quarter as much.

Good enough?

BehindSteelCurtain
01-12-2009, 09:16 PM
Ray is a great player and hard hitter. It's just the heated rivalry as I'm sure many of your Ravens' fans feel the same about Ward. You hate him but you'd have him on your team any day.

i82much
01-12-2009, 09:20 PM
Hapa, Curtain - thanks for the rational comments. Some of the other stuff in this thread just sounds like regurgitated nonsense they heard from someone else.

Believe what makes you feel good, I guess.

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 09:24 PM
Hapa, Curtain - thanks for the rational comments. Some of the other stuff in this thread just sounds like regurgitated nonsense they heard from someone else.
Believe what makes you feel good, I guess.

Its called the truth BOZO! :toofunny:

SteelersJW
01-12-2009, 09:24 PM
I actually really like Ray Lewis. It's a shame he happens to be on a team I absolutely despise. His passion for the game is unmatched and I love hearing his pregame speaches. On any interview I've ever heard him on he's shown class, even towards the Steelers. Whether or not he is a murderer isn't up for me or any of us to decide. As far as I'm concerned, he's innocent. He's a great player on a shit team.

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 09:25 PM
I actually really like Ray Lewis. It's a shame he happens to be on a team I absolutely despise. His passion for the game is unmatched and I love hearing his pregame speaches. On any interview I've ever heard him on he's shown class, even towards the Steelers. Whether or not he is a murderer isn't up for me or any of us to decide. As far as I'm concerned, he's innocent. He's a great player on a shit team.

He don't even believe that himself!!

i82much
01-12-2009, 09:28 PM
Wow.

CaliStillersFan
01-12-2009, 09:31 PM
I can think of 4 guys better than Ray Lewis on that defense, but any coverage of the Ravens and there's Ray Lewis talking smack. If you see Ray Lewis, look down I'm sure you'll find Dione Sanders between his legs giving him head.

If I was on the Ravens defense I would be tired of listening to his mouth run all the time. I don't mind a player that talks smack, but when they don't back it up, they look stupid. For all the crap that flies out of his mouth, you would think the Ravens have a handful of super bowl rings, instead of that one little ring they got almost a decade ago.

RoethlisBURGHer
01-12-2009, 09:32 PM
Like I said in my first post, innocent people don't pay restitustion for a crime they didn't commit.

His money and fame is what beat his criminal charges. He brokered a deal with it, a deal that ended up with the crime still being labeled as "unsolved".

A normal Joe Shmoe wouldn't have been offered the deal hew as offered. So screw him.

i82much
01-12-2009, 09:33 PM
Ok good luck Sunday.

steeler chick
01-12-2009, 09:35 PM
Yeah ... Ravens fan here. Sure, I understand the rivalry and all, but I can say as much as Hines Ward annoys the crap out of me I'd want him on my team in a heartbeat. As for Ray, the guy has been a great player for a LONG time, he's done nothing but the right things since the "incident," and he's a great teammate and mentor for young players around the league - not just Ravens.

I see all these comments disparaging the guy on this board, why??? And even comments on his playing ability which is just silly. He still stuffs the run up the middle better than anybody, although the sideline to sideline speed isn't what it was.

Heyyyyyyyyyy alll you steeler fans........................:tt::flap: I have a question? Could someone tell me why there would be Ravens fans on this board?:banging: Don't they have there own board? could be maybe they just want to come over to the winning side? I wouldn't spend any time over there..........:wink02: Oh well maybe I am just being touchy:mad:, but I think they should stay in Ratbird country:rofl: Just my opinion:wink02: HERE WE GO STEELERS.BEAT SOME RATBIRD BUTT:tt::tt03::tt02::applaudit:

i82much
01-12-2009, 09:36 PM
Was actually just curious what the opinion was outside of B-more. Thought I'd pay some props to Hines to start it off on the right foot.

My bad.

tony hipchest
01-12-2009, 09:36 PM
he encourages the placement of bounties on players. he called his shot in knocking mendenhall out for the season.

i just watched the week 4 matchup. everytime he tackled the rookie he stood above him and gloated. and when he was knocked out, ray bragged about it openly.

i understand playing hard and wanting to knock the opposition out, but acting like a classless thug after the fact is bush league.

him mocking an injured joey porter is bushleague. watching all the young players such as cory ivy follow his lead and mock steelers players (ike taylor) in their house is bush league.

bitching eveytime the steelers hand them their ass is bush league.

i can see why people would dislike joey porter. i cant see why anyone would be a fan of rayray. :hunch:

NJarhead
01-12-2009, 09:37 PM
He talks too much and he piles on.

Mad respect for Ed Reed.

Give It To Abercrombie
01-12-2009, 09:37 PM
Three reasons:

(1) He should be breaking rocks in a prison yard;

(2) He gets and takes credit for tackles he doesn't make;

(3) I'm sick to death of listening to every single commentator in every single Rats game slobbin' his knob. Ed Reed trumps him a zillion times over and doesn't get mentioned a quarter as much.

Good enough?

Beat me too it. Those are the exact points I was attempting to put the words together for as I read through the thread.

ShutDown24
01-12-2009, 09:37 PM
Yeah ... Ravens fan here. Sure, I understand the rivalry and all, but I can say as much as Hines Ward annoys the crap out of me I'd want him on my team in a heartbeat. As for Ray, the guy has been a great player for a LONG time, he's done nothing but the right things since the "incident," and he's a great teammate and mentor for young players around the league - not just Ravens.

I see all these comments disparaging the guy on this board, why??? And even comments on his playing ability which is just silly. He still stuffs the run up the middle better than anybody, although the sideline to sideline speed isn't what it was.

Well, he's a tad overrated. We could start there...

NJarhead
01-12-2009, 09:37 PM
he encourages the placement of bounties on players. he called his shot in knocking mendenhall out for the season.
i just watched the week 4 matchup. everytime he tackled the rookie he stood above him and gloated. and when he was knocked out, ray bragged about it openly.

i understand playing hard and wanting to knock the opposition out, but acting like a classless thug after the fact is bush league.

him mocking an injured joey porter is bushleague. watching all the young players such as cory ivy follow his lead and mock steelers players (ike taylor) in their house is bush league.

bitching eveytime the steelers hand them their ass is bush league.

i can see why people would dislike joey porter. i cant see why anyone would be a fan of rayray. :hunch:

That too

RoethlisBURGHer
01-12-2009, 09:38 PM
Heyyyyyyyyyy alll you steeler fans........................:tt::flap: I have a question? Could someone tell me why there would be Ravens fans on this board?:banging: Don't they have there own board? could be maybe they just want to come over to the winning side? I wouldn't spend any time over there..........:wink02: Oh well maybe I am just being touchy:mad:, but I think they should stay in Ratbird country:rofl: Just my opinion:wink02: HERE WE GO STEELERS.BEAT SOME RATBIRD BUTT:tt::tt03::tt02::applaudit:

I dont mind fans of opposing teams posting here as long as they bring actual conversation to the board and not just nonsense trolling.

In the last two Ratbird games, the B-More fans that have posted here have been pretty cool.

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 09:39 PM
You guys are being ridiculous. He is innocent, I guess everyone who was ever suspected of ANYTHING is guilty too? People who cant give someone else credit because they play for the rat birds are being boneheads.


In any case, he's a big time leader and hes one hell of a fierce rival. I love watching our guys play against him, and I sure as hell wish he was on our team. He embodies defense and AFC north football, much like many of the steelers defenders.

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 09:40 PM
You guys are being ridiculous. He is innocent, I guess everyone who was ever suspected of ANYTHING is guilty too? People who cant give someone else credit because they play for the rat birds are being boneheads.


In any case, he's a big time leader and hes one hell of a fierce rival. I love watching our guys play against him, and I sure as hell wish he was on our team. He embodies defense and AFC north football, much like many of the steelers defenders.

Well since you like him so much you might wanna jump on the ratbirds bandwagon now!! :tt02:

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 09:41 PM
Beat me too it. Those are the exact points I was attempting to put the words together for as I read through the thread.




You serious? I seem to remember Ed Reed being a candidate for DFPOTY and not Ray Lewis.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-12-2009, 09:41 PM
The fact that he covered up the murders of 2 family men with children. I believe one was a bartender and the other a barber. To the day he has never contacted the families nor made any ammends, yet he speaks like a religious man.

Thou Shalt not say anything to the police about the stabbing!!!

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 09:41 PM
Well since you like him so much you might wanna jump on the ratbirds bandwagon now!! :tt02:




Hey guy, I actually live in Pittsburgh. :wave:

RoethlisBURGHer
01-12-2009, 09:42 PM
Was actually just curious what the opinion was outside of B-more. Thought I'd pay some props to Hines to start it off on the right foot.

My bad.

Listen, as a football player I have respect for Ray Lewis. He has had a tremendous career and will be the first Raven in the Hall of Fame. He's a lock for enshrinment on his first ballot.

But as a person, I don't have one iota of respect for Ray Lewis. I personally feel his career should have been cut short by a prison scentance. When he dies, he will be rotting in hell. Hopefully his punishment will be being tied to a chair watching a never ending loop of his team losing Sunday's AFCCG to the Steelers. :wink02:

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 09:42 PM
You serious? I seem to remember Ed Reed being a candidate for DFPOTY and not Ray Lewis.

Are you even a staelers fan? guess not huh , sooo much love for the rats, makes me sick!!

MasterOfPuppets
01-12-2009, 09:43 PM
You guys are being ridiculous. He is innocent, I guess everyone who was ever suspected of ANYTHING is guilty too? People who cant give someone else credit because they play for the rat birds are being boneheads.


In any case, he's a big time leader and hes one hell of a fierce rival. I love watching our guys play against him, and I sure as hell wish he was on our team. He embodies defense and AFC north football, much like many of the steelers defenders.
OJ was found innocent too.....:jerkit:

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 09:43 PM
Hey guy, I actually live in Pittsburgh. :wave:

And your point is???

:toofunny:

Give It To Abercrombie
01-12-2009, 09:44 PM
You guys are being ridiculous. He is innocent, I guess everyone who was ever suspected of ANYTHING is guilty too? People who cant give someone else credit because they play for the rat birds are being boneheads.


In any case, he's a big time leader and hes one hell of a fierce rival. I love watching our guys play against him, and I sure as hell wish he was on our team. He embodies defense and AFC north football, much like many of the steelers defenders.

Do I think he did something during "the Incident"? yes.
Should my opinion mean he should go to jail? of course not.
Do I think he is a trash-talking piece of crap? yes.
Do I think he intended to injure Mendenhall? yes.
Do I think commentators kiss his ass and that drives me insane because he isn't even the best player on his own teams defense? yes.
Do I HATE that GD dance he does??? HELL YES!

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 09:44 PM
Are you even a staelers fan? guess not huh , sooo much love for the rats, makes me sick!!



Nah, we bleed black and gold here. You know what your problem is? You're a person who cant give anyone credit when it's due, no matter who they are. You know what we call you? We call you a hater.

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 09:46 PM
Nah, we bleed black and gold here. You know what your problem is? You're a person who cant give anyone credit when it's due, no matter who they are. You know what we call you? We call you a hater.

Why cause im not in love with Lewis like yourself??

To tell you the truth i could careless about lewis and the ratbirds!!

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 09:48 PM
Why cause im not in love with Lewis like yourself??

To tell you the truth i could careless about lewis and the ratbirds!!




How old are you? 13?


I said he's a good player, I dont think he's the absolute best but he's still good. Are you going to tell me that Ray Lewis is not good now? If you're going to say that, dont even bother to watch football, because you're as clueless as it gets.

HometownGal
01-12-2009, 09:50 PM
You guys are being ridiculous. He is innocent, I guess everyone who was ever suspected of ANYTHING is guilty too? People who cant give someone else credit because they play for the rat birds are being boneheads.



Tell that to the victim's family. He skated on those charges and worked a nice little deal for himself while ratting out his buddies.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/06/04/lewis_agreement/

ATLANTA (CNNSI.com) -- A judge Monday approved a deal allowing Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis to avoid murder charges and jail time by pleading guilty to a misdemeanor and testifying against two co-defendants.

Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and Superior Court Judge Alice D. Bonner sentenced Lewis to 12 months' probation, the maximum sentence for a first-time offender. Under the terms of the sentence, Lewis can not use drugs or alcohol during the duration of the probation.

Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard refused to say how the plea agreement was brokered but said his office made the right decision to prosecute Lewis.

In any case, he's a big time leader and hes one hell of a fierce rival. I love watching our guys play against him, and I sure as hell wish he was on our team. He embodies defense and AFC north football, much like many of the steelers defenders

He embodies a big mouth with a big pocketbook to go along with his big head. While I respect a couple of the Rats players and their rookie HC who has done a terrific job as mentioned in other threads, he is pond scum in my book.

I stand by my original opinion of Stabbit Ray. He shouldn't be anywhere near a football field. He should be takin' it in the seat in the penitentiary shower.

RoethlisBURGHer
01-12-2009, 09:50 PM
On April 29, 2004, Lewis reached a settlement with four-year-old India Lollar, born months after the death of her father Richard, preempting a scheduled civil proceeding. [18] Lewis also reached an undisclosed settlement with Baker's family.

You don't settle a civil lawsuit when you're innocent of the charges. You don't pay out money unless you feel guilt and know that you will lose a civil suit.

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 09:51 PM
How old are you? 13?


I said he's a good player, I dont think he's the absolute best but he's still good. Are you going to tell me that Ray Lewis is not good now? If you're going to say that, dont even bother to watch football, because you're as clueless as it gets.

Dude why do i even bother with birdbrain's like you.. ENOUGH SAID! :wave:

HometownGal
01-12-2009, 09:53 PM
Was actually just curious what the opinion was outside of B-more. Thought I'd pay some props to Hines to start it off on the right foot.

My bad.

You're A-OK with me i82. :thumbsup: I don't think anyone here is attacking you - they're attacking Ray the Knife. As you can tell, he isn't well liked by most Steelers fans.

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 09:54 PM
Tell that to the victim's family. He skated on those charges and worked a nice little deal for himself while ratting out his buddies.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/06/04/lewis_agreement/

ATLANTA (CNNSI.com) -- A judge Monday approved a deal allowing Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis to avoid murder charges and jail time by pleading guilty to a misdemeanor and testifying against two co-defendants.

Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and Superior Court Judge Alice D. Bonner sentenced Lewis to 12 months' probation, the maximum sentence for a first-time offender. Under the terms of the sentence, Lewis can not use drugs or alcohol during the duration of the probation.

Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard refused to say how the plea agreement was brokered but said his office made the right decision to prosecute Lewis.



He embodies a big mouth with a big pocketbook to go along with his big head. While I respect a couple of the Rats players and their rookie HC who has done a terrific job as mentioned in other threads, he is pond scum in my book.

I stand by my original opinion of Stabbit Ray. He shouldn't be anywhere near a football field. He should be takin' it in the seat in the penitentiary shower.





Ray Lewis was not guilty of murder. Get over it. Your opinion does not trump the US judicial system. Sorry.

Nighthawk
01-12-2009, 09:54 PM
Why Hate on Ray, is this really a question between Rivals? Now if it was "Why do you Disrespect him?" I might think you have a valid point. As a football player he commands respect, but we can hate on him all we want! Infact I hope he doesn't get any sleep all week long thinking about Ward

i82much
01-12-2009, 09:54 PM
You don't settle a civil lawsuit when you're innocent of the charges. You don't pay out money unless you feel guilt and know that you will lose a civil suit.

Nobody said Ray didn't feel guilty about the incident. Doesn't mean he's guilty of murder. If I was hanging with two of my friends and we got into a fight with some guys and my buddies killed them, I'd feel terrible.

As for the civil suit, if you know anything about civil suits, you know better than to decide guilt or innocence on a criminal charge based on someone settling a civil suit. I'm sure Ray just wanted to put it behind him as quickly as possible.

Say what you want, he's grown into a very decent and charitable man, and he has on more than one occasion expressed his respect for your Steelers.

I'm not surprised by the smack talk, but the fact that some people seem to really think either:

1) He's a murderer, or
2) He's not a great player.

Is really confusing.

NJarhead
01-12-2009, 09:56 PM
Ray's a bad example. Ask us about someone else. :chuckle:

Todd Heap's okay. :thumbsup: :wink02:

As I said earlier, mad respect for Ed Reed.

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 09:57 PM
Ray Lewis was not guilty of murder. Get over it. Your opinion does not trump the US judicial system. Sorry.

Dude why don't you shut ur mouth and go on to the ratbirds boards, since you are getting your panties in a bunch over lewis... lol

NJarhead
01-12-2009, 09:58 PM
Ray Lewis was not guilty of murder. Get over it. Your opinion does not trump the US judicial system. Sorry.

Ignorance is bliss, eh buddy? :coffee:

tony hipchest
01-12-2009, 09:58 PM
Say what you want, he's grown into a very decent and charitable man, and he has on more than one occasion expressed his respect for your Steelers.


. its all lip service. actions are louder than words.

HometownGal
01-12-2009, 09:59 PM
Ray Lewis was not guilty of murder. Get over it. Your opinion does not trump the US judicial system. Sorry.

What part of this aren't you getting? :doh:

A judge Monday approved a deal allowing Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis to avoid murder charges and jail time by pleading guilty to a misdemeanor and testifying against two co-defendants.

Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard refused to say how the plea agreement was brokered but said his office made the right decision to prosecute Lewis.


I worked in law for over 22 years, pal, and that dead man's blood is on Ray Lewis' hands. He did what most high-profile defendants do - pay the piper, work a deal and receive a get out of jail free card. Sad, but unfortunately very true in this day and age.

MasterOfPuppets
01-12-2009, 10:00 PM
Ray Lewis was not guilty of murder. Get over it. Your opinion does not trump the US judicial system. Sorry. ray lewis = oj simpson

i82much
01-12-2009, 10:00 PM
Well Gal then you also know that prosecutors will charge the whole group with the most severe charge because that gives them leverage over the ones they don't really want.

I think I'll leave it at that. Thanks to those of you who were kind enough to engage in a reasonable discussion, good luck on Sunday (as in I hope nobody gets hurt - if the refs screw up I want the call dammit!)

NJarhead
01-12-2009, 10:02 PM
Well Gal then you also know that prosecutors will charge the whole group with the most severe charge because that gives them leverage over the ones they don't really want.

Doesn't make them any less guilty. No one said Ray was the master mind of a huge criminal element. But he DID have more money for a better legal team, no?

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 10:03 PM
its all lip service. actions are louder than words.




Great Argument. You'll see him in the HOF in a few years. You still going to argue?



Hometown Gal, maybe you should have jumped on the case and prosecuted him.:rolleyes:

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 10:04 PM
Great Argument. You'll see him in the HOF in a few years. You still going to argue?



Hometown Gal, maybe you should have jumped on the case and prosecuted him.:rolleyes:

And this clown calls himself a steelers fan?.. Glad your ratbird Arse came out of the closet...!!! :thumbsup: Nice

Sharkissle29
01-12-2009, 10:05 PM
You guys are being ridiculous. He is innocent, I guess everyone who was ever suspected of ANYTHING is guilty too? People who cant give someone else credit because they play for the rat birds are being boneheads.


In any case, he's a big time leader and hes one hell of a fierce rival. I love watching our guys play against him, and I sure as hell wish he was on our team. He embodies defense and AFC north football, much like many of the steelers defenders.

if you are even suspected of murdering someone, odds are you are a bad person. have you been ever suspected of murder?

HometownGal
01-12-2009, 10:05 PM
Separated at birth:

http://z.about.com/d/crime/1/0/q/S/lewis_r.jpg


http://z.about.com/d/crime/1/0/3/T/simpson_oj.jpg

NJarhead
01-12-2009, 10:05 PM
Great Argument. You'll see him in the HOF in a few years. You still going to argue?



Hometown Gal, maybe you should have jumped on the case and prosecuted him.:rolleyes:

You really don't care if you ever post here again do you. :noidea:

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 10:06 PM
You really don't care if you ever post here again do you. :noidea:

Dudes a ratbrd anyway F him!!

HometownGal
01-12-2009, 10:06 PM
Hometown Gal, maybe you should have jumped on the case and prosecuted him.:rolleyes:

Don't you worry, bud - he'll be prosecuted by the most powerful Judge of all one day.

cubanstogie
01-12-2009, 10:08 PM
Why would any Ravens fan try to talk us out of hating Ray. Most of us hate the guy, big deal, get over it. The question was asked and you are getting responses, what are they not the response you want. Its like you guys are taking it personally. Would you want him to date your daughter. I didn't think so.

Sharkissle29
01-12-2009, 10:10 PM
Well Gal then you also know that prosecutors will charge the whole group with the most severe charge because that gives them leverage over the ones they don't really want.

I think I'll leave it at that. Thanks to those of you who were kind enough to engage in a reasonable discussion, good luck on Sunday (as in I hope nobody gets hurt - if the refs screw up I want the call dammit!)

We are having a reasonable discussion, you are just delirious

i82much
01-12-2009, 10:11 PM
Why would any Ravens fan try to talk us out of hating Ray. Most of us hate the guy, big deal, get over it. The question was asked and you are getting responses, what are they not the response you want. Its like you guys are taking it personally. Would you want him to date your daughter. I didn't think so.

I didn't expect anybody to LIKE him! I couldn't believe people actually think he's a murderer, dirty player, or not a great player. Honestly I am just STUNNED at the comments here!

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 10:13 PM
I didn't expect anybody to LIKE him! I couldn't believe people actually think he's a murderer, dirty player, or not a great player. Honestly I am just STUNNED at the comments here!




Eh, people can dislike him all they want. When they say he's not a good player or leader they're unreasonable people who know nothing about the game. Not even worth arguing with,


In any case, I saw a guy at the bar in a Heap jersey. I told him that he was disgusting and he tried to fight me, lol.

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 10:13 PM
I didn't expect anybody to LIKE him! I couldn't believe people actually think he's a murderer, dirty player, or not a great player. Honestly I am just STUNNED at the comments here!

But honestly what you expect , this is a steelers board..

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 10:15 PM
You really don't care if you ever post here again do you. :noidea:




If she cant take a shot like everyone else, I dont care to ever post here again. I'm surprised people on the internet still have such thin skin.

cubanstogie
01-12-2009, 10:15 PM
I didn't expect anybody to LIKE him! I couldn't believe people actually think he's a murderer, dirty player, or not a great player. Honestly I am just STUNNED at the comments here!

I think he is a great player, so was OJ, that doesn't make them any better than Rae Carruth who wasn't a great player and killed someone.

tony hipchest
01-12-2009, 10:18 PM
If she cant take a shot like everyone else, I dont care to ever post here again. I'm surprised people on the internet still have such thin skin.im suprised you have such thin skin cause people dont worship ray in accordance to your standards.

i82much
01-12-2009, 10:18 PM
Kinda sorry I brought it up everyone but I swear I really didn't think anybody still thought he did it. Just wanted to get some opposing fan's comments. It can be really fun to talk football with fans of other teams, but it's pretty clear Ray Ray isn't the topic of choice!

CaliStillersFan
01-12-2009, 10:18 PM
How about this one - 33 career sacks for a 13 year career? He would have gotten cut from the Steelers after his first contract with those numbers. James Harrison will pass those numbers in less than three seasons as a stater.

Lewis is one of the most OVER-RATED players in the history of the NFL ever!!

MasterOfPuppets
01-12-2009, 10:19 PM
I didn't expect anybody to LIKE him! I couldn't believe people actually think he's a murderer, dirty player, or not a great player. Honestly I am just STUNNED at the comments here!oh puuuulease....if he wasn't a ratbird, you'd be saying the same thing....

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 10:22 PM
im suprised you have such thin skin cause people dont worship ray in accordance to your standards.




Worship? No. I dont worship him. He is a great player though.

devilsdancefloor
01-12-2009, 10:22 PM
i respect him for his LB skills, but as a man i do not respect him at all, BUT (and there always is a but :flap:) we have all done things we wished we hadnt done when we where young (some worse than others). lets hope he can help some of those young guys who look up to him on his team and around the league. Like i said i dont like him at all or any of the other loud mouths from "THUG U". Maybe he was given a second chance to make things right in his part of the world :noidea:.

Polamalu43
01-12-2009, 10:23 PM
Kinda sorry I brought it up everyone but I swear I really didn't think anybody still thought he did it. Just wanted to get some opposing fan's comments. It can be really fun to talk football with fans of other teams, but it's pretty clear Ray Ray isn't the topic of choice!

Bro put it ths way. its kinda me going over to a ravens board and askin..

" do you guys think ward is a cheapshot artist" what do you think my responses

will be?? We don't believe he is, it's just the way he plays, but im sure many raven

fans feel diffrent. Just ask suggs LOL

shevdog
01-12-2009, 10:24 PM
Why the hate? Ray Ray is a Jailbird! Why wouldn't we hate Ray Ray!

NJarhead
01-12-2009, 10:24 PM
If she cant take a shot like everyone else, I dont care to ever post here again. I'm surprised people on the internet still have such thin skin.

You're a little too abrasive when it's not necessary..., At all.
We're fellow Steelers fans. Try to remember that.

tony hipchest
01-12-2009, 10:25 PM
Worship? No. I dont worship him. He is a great player though.
i didnt say you did.

dont ask (or expect) us to.

in a way i wish the steelers were classless enough to put a bounty on him, but i know they dont roll like that.

lilyoder6
01-12-2009, 10:29 PM
u should of asked the ? dif.. ask if we liked him as a person and then asked him as a football player..

i do think that Ray Lewis is a rly good lb and a great motivator for his team, u can't deny that..

but it does seem that him as a person he does act like a d-bag depending on the day.

NJarhead
01-12-2009, 10:29 PM
i didnt say you did.

dont ask (or expect) us to.

in a way i wish the steelers were classless enough to put a bounty on him, but i know they dont roll like that.

NOPE! Hines is an equal opportunity pancake artist! :chuckle:

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 10:30 PM
i didnt say you did.

dont ask (or expect) us to.

in a way i wish the steelers were classless enough to put a bounty on him, but i know they dont roll like that.




Big difference between worship and saying that someones good. Damn man.


Make no mistake about it.... I hope Hines Ward knocks him the hell out, but he's still a damn good player.

HometownGal
01-12-2009, 10:31 PM
Well Gal then you also know that prosecutors will charge the whole group with the most severe charge because that gives them leverage over the ones they don't really want.

I think I'll leave it at that. Thanks to those of you who were kind enough to engage in a reasonable discussion, good luck on Sunday (as in I hope nobody gets hurt - if the refs screw up I want the call dammit!)

Not all the time i82. It depends on the circumstances. The circumstances in this case, as well as the actual terms of the plea bargain were never openly revealed and I know from experience that most times, it spells cover up. We're not going to agree here, so we'll just have to disagree. :drink:

I'm sorry, but I just can't see anything reasonable to discuss about Ray Lewis.

RoethlisBURGHer
01-12-2009, 10:32 PM
Nobody said Ray didn't feel guilty about the incident. Doesn't mean he's guilty of murder. If I was hanging with two of my friends and we got into a fight with some guys and my buddies killed them, I'd feel terrible.

As for the civil suit, if you know anything about civil suits, you know better than to decide guilt or innocence on a criminal charge based on someone settling a civil suit. I'm sure Ray just wanted to put it behind him as quickly as possible.

Say what you want, he's grown into a very decent and charitable man, and he has on more than one occasion expressed his respect for your Steelers.

I'm not surprised by the smack talk, but the fact that some people seem to really think either:

1) He's a murderer, or
2) He's not a great player.

Is really confusing.

And you are what, an expert?

I know a few people who have been invovled with civil suits. They wer innocent and they didn't just settle the suits to get it over with.

Innocent people don't pay the families of victims. If he feels guilt over the death of the two men, that tells me he had more to do with it than most Baltimore fans think he did.

Maybe you don't understand brokering a deal with the prosecuting attorney. Often a high profile defandent does this, because he has the money for the best legal defense possible.

Often a prosecutor will charge a group with the big charge, true. But they don't charge someone with something if they don't think they can convict that person of the charges. What if Lewis decided to be loyal to his buddies and not take a deal to rat them out?

I read somewhere that the prosecution didn't come to him offering to deal, but that his lawyer went to them and brokered it. That tells me that they were ready to put him on trial for the murder charges.

Also, you came here thinking that people still didn't think that he did it. People still think OJ commited murder, why would you think anyone thinks different of Lewis? People's opinions on issues like that do not change.

KeiselPower99
01-12-2009, 10:52 PM
I hate Ray for alot of reasons and the biggest one is the Fn dance he does. It gets under my skin and makes me wanna jump through the tv and tackle that pile of murdering garbage. The media kisses his @ss because I think people are afraid he might try something on them. Best thing I ever saw was Dan Krieder flatten his @ss in that playoff game. I hope Hines comes across the middle and jacks him up and breaks his jaw. Only a Steelers victory would make me happier.

beSteelmyheart
01-12-2009, 10:52 PM
"Why cause im not in love with Lewis like yourself??

To tell you the truth i could careless about lewis and the ratbirds!!" (polamalu43)


How old are you? 13?


I said he's a good player, I dont think he's the absolute best but he's still good. Are you going to tell me that Ray Lewis is not good now? If you're going to say that, dont even bother to watch football, because you're as clueless as it gets.
Who cares about his/her age? Was it an answer that you had no legitimate comeback to because it is an individuals own opinion? Who cares if they do or do not know everything about football? Does that mean they are not entitled to their opinion because they might be young or inexperienced?
I'm 42 years old & can't stand Ray Lewis simply because he annoys me. There. Now you don't have to ask how old I am.

tony hipchest
01-12-2009, 10:58 PM
Big difference between worship and saying that someones good. Damn man.


Make no mistake about it.... I hope Hines Ward knocks him the hell out, but he's still a damn good player.great... hes good.

so is the raiders LB thomas howard. :noidea:

the question is Why the hate on Ray?

i dont hate on ray just because he is a raven. and i dont hate on howard even though he is a raider.

i82much
01-12-2009, 11:03 PM
Oh come on. It's one thing not to like the guy, another thing to disrespect his abilities or convince yourself he committed a crime when there isn't a lick of evidence, that's all.

The comment about Harrison's sacks - he's a great LB but he's an outside LB and he's always going to have more sacks than an inside LB. But at least I can be honest about it and say the biggest problem I have with the guy is that we were dumb enough to cut him.

Stlrs4Life
01-12-2009, 11:07 PM
Ray is good, but way over rated. I would not want that loud mouth POS on my team. Plus he got away with murder like his buddy OJ did.

i82much
01-12-2009, 11:14 PM
Like most aging superstars, Ray probably gets more press than he deserves these days, fair enough. But he's actually had a great season, put on some weight and shedding blockers better than ever, hitting harder. But no question he doesn't cover the ground he used to, and Ed Reed is now our best defensive player.

Murder? Come on. Do some research, just google it. Even at the time the papers were reporting there was never any evidence he attacked anyone. He was there when it happened and he shouldn't have been and then he helped cover it up that's really all there is to it. 2009 and you still think Ray Lewis is a murderer?

westcoastransplant
01-12-2009, 11:15 PM
There's a lot of reasons I can't Ray Ray. First, I don't care what happenned or if he killed anybody. I sell beer for a living so I'm not qualified in that matter. I does say something about him that he was in that position in the first place. I hate the celebration dances he does, lukes like he's having a seizure, and I can't stand how he's propped up as the greatest ever. Listen to the announcers and you would think that he can leap tall buildings or line men, cure cancer, stop a bullet with his teeth, etc.... Add the fact that he wears a Ratbirds jersey only adds to it.

I do respect Ed Reed and think he is a phenomonal player. He also had a great response to a reporter who asked if he was upset by not getting the DPOY award. He said if you want individual trophies, there is a trophy store down the street, go buy one. :toofunny:

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-12-2009, 11:31 PM
Lewis aided 2 members of his entourage with escaping murder charges in the death of a 135 lb Artist and a 170 lb barber. Real tough guys :rolleyes:

Lewis didnt kill them, but he covered it up and told others around them to shut their mouth too. To this day, their children are fatherless and Ray Lewis knows who killed those kids dad's, but acts like a man of God. He was an accessory to murder.

In two weeks of testimony, no witnesses reported seeing the 25-year-old player with a knife. Only one -- an admitted con man currently in jail -- said Lewis was actively involved in the fight.

Friends and the police testified that Lewis had tried to cover up his role by misleading officers and telling people with him the night of the fight to ''Keep your mouth shut.''

''He fully acknowledges his responsibility for those acts,'' Garland told Judge Alice Bonner.

Attorneys for the other defendants criticized the agreement Lewis made, saying there was no reason for him to plead guilty because prosecutors had such a weak case.

''The chances of this guy getting convicted of anything were as likely as John Rocker winning the Anti-Defamation League's lifetime achievement award,'' said David Wolfe, Oakley's lawyer. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A00E4DC153FF934A35755C0A9669C8B 63&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/B/Baker,%20Jacinth%20Demarus

Ray Lewis is a coward for protecting murderers.

zsheik22
01-12-2009, 11:50 PM
Lewis aided 2 members of his entourage with escaping murder charges in the death of a 135 lb Artist and a 170 lb barber. Real tough guys :rolleyes:

Lewis didnt kill them, but he covered it up and told others around them to shut their mouth too. To this day, their children are fatherless and Ray Lewis knows who killed those kids dad's, but acts like a man of God. He was an accessory to murder.

In two weeks of testimony, no witnesses reported seeing the 25-year-old player with a knife. Only one -- an admitted con man currently in jail -- said Lewis was actively involved in the fight.

Friends and the police testified that Lewis had tried to cover up his role by misleading officers and telling people with him the night of the fight to ''Keep your mouth shut.''

''He fully acknowledges his responsibility for those acts,'' Garland told Judge Alice Bonner.

Attorneys for the other defendants criticized the agreement Lewis made, saying there was no reason for him to plead guilty because prosecutors had such a weak case.

''The chances of this guy getting convicted of anything were as likely as John Rocker winning the Anti-Defamation League's lifetime achievement award,'' said David Wolfe, Oakley's lawyer. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A00E4DC153FF934A35755C0A9669C8B 63&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/B/Baker,%20Jacinth%20Demarus

Ray Lewis is a coward for protecting murderers.




Did he protect them? Earlier they said he was a "rat" for telling on them.


Confused.

cydnub
01-12-2009, 11:59 PM
Murder? Come on. Do some research, just google it. Even at the time the papers were reporting there was never any evidence he attacked anyone. He was there when it happened and he shouldn't have been and then he helped cover it up that's really all there is to it. 2009 and you still think Ray Lewis is a murderer?

It's 2009 and I still think OJ is a murderer. Oh, and you guys all know he's just flame baiting us, right? :popcorn:

KYMDFAN
01-13-2009, 12:14 AM
So James Harrison is a woman beater? I mean come on guys seriously. I really thought most of you had class but this thread is really ridiculous. I'm sure all of you were on hand at the scene of the crime. I'm sure you were standing in the crowd of people when the incident took place right? I'm sure you can dispute all the claims by witnesses that Ray Lewis tried to break up the fight? I mean obviously you know more than the authorities in this situation. I think you all need to head down to Atlanta and file some paperwork since you were all witnesses to Ray Lewis being a murderer.

I'm not going to explain about what happened in Atlanta because I have no clue. I can only go on what was reported by witnesses and police. I am really disappointed that Ray was involved at all in the incident and think he could've handled the outcome better. But all the evidence and witnesses point to him trying to break up the fight.

But again I mean Harrison is a woman beater,

Santonio Holmes is a woman beater.

Etc.

You see how stupid this thread can become? I'm sorry but can't we just hate on the teams players for the reasons that we are playing.

I hate Big Ben because I think he manages the clock as good as any qb in the league.

I hate Troy P. because he is a beast and seems to be in the middle of every defensive play.

I hate James Farrior because I believe he is one of the most underrated LB in the league.

I hate Casey Hampton because he is a run stopper.

Preacher
01-13-2009, 12:51 AM
So James Harrison is a woman beater? I mean come on guys seriously.

But again I mean Harrison is a woman beater,

Santonio Holmes is a woman beater.

Etc.

You see how stupid this thread can become?

Actually, when that story about Harrison came out, you should have seen this board ripping on him for that very thing. When it came out that he returned to the scene for the cops to show up, confessed to the entire seen, and faced everything like a man, did the calls for his head die down to calls for his right and left arm.

Same thing with Santo when he was first drafted.

Fact is, many on this board were/are ready to see Santo disappear over that rookie summer, and his current ticket for pot. It is a type of mentality amongst Steelers fans. We don't expect our players to be Lilly white. We DO expect them to obey the laws.

Aussie_steeler
01-13-2009, 12:54 AM
Like most aging superstars, Ray probably gets more press than he deserves these days, fair enough. But he's actually had a great season, put on some weight and shedding blockers better than ever, hitting harder. But no question he doesn't cover the ground he used to, and Ed Reed is now our best defensive player.


There is a very strong correlation between the quality of Ray's play and the quality of the NT in front of him.

The best thing the Ravens have done in the past few years is to draft Haloti Ngata. He is the reason why Ray has elevated his game again this year. I think you will even find evidence from Ray himself that he owes a lot to Mr Ngata.

Time has come for the Ravens to consider the status of Ray and his role in the Baltimore D. He is a free agent at the end of this season ( and will get signed) but they will have to start planning for life without him.

And yes - Ed Reed is your best defensive player.

jjpro11
01-13-2009, 12:56 AM
i hate ray because he was involved in a murder in which i believe he had a part in.. thats my honest answer for you.

KYMDFAN
01-13-2009, 01:09 AM
Actually, when that story about Harrison came out, you should have seen this board ripping on him for that very thing. When it came out that he returned to the scene for the cops to show up, confessed to the entire seen, and faced everything like a man, did the calls for his head die down to calls for his right and left arm.

Same thing with Santo when he was first drafted.

Fact is, many on this board were/are ready to see Santo disappear over that rookie summer, and his current ticket for pot. It is a type of mentality amongst Steelers fans. We don't expect our players to be Lilly white. We DO expect them to obey the laws.

I love reading your posts Preacher I find you to be very intelligent.

That being said, we all expect our players to obey the law. Hell I love my family more than football but I expect them to obey the law too. So playing the all high and mighty card really doesn't fly here. He is still on your team, you are still supporting your team, enough said.

I think this thread goes beyond ridiculous when people talk about things they have no clue about. Your hunch may be that he was involved, or hell you may even believe he had the knife in his hands but the case was settled and all witnesses disputed your hunch. I was really disappointed that Lewis was involved in the incident. But I think after that he has become a very good ambassador for the game. I think he regrets everything that happened that night and has tried his best to do the right thing from now on.

If you never panic when you are caught in a bad situation and have plenty to lose, throw the first stone, then tell me how you did such a thing.

VegasStlrFan
01-13-2009, 01:17 AM
It comes down to one thing, he broke the law in an incident where 2 lives were lost. Do we know the exact details, nope nobody on here does. Is he guilty of Murder or a lessor felony, don't know he wasn't prosecuted because of the plea, doesn't mean he was innocent either (details, details, details). You obviously don't plea bargain up though.

I personally don't think much of anyone innvoled in something like this, don't care if he plays football or not.

KYMDFAN
01-13-2009, 01:24 AM
Well I don't think I can win my argument here so I have nothing else to say on this matter. I don't know what happened in Atlanta and i'm pretty sure most of you don't. I just think this thread will go way past football and that is all i'm really on this forum to discuss. I love talking to Squeelers fans about ball but i'm not too sure I want to go in to a discussion about morals, I get enough of that with my born again siblings.

I_Bleed_Black_And_Gold
01-13-2009, 01:48 AM
A) Because he is a murderer that got away with it because he had a lot of money

B) Because he is a loud mouth. It seems the more trash he talks, the more likely they are to loose the game

C) His F&$*#&% dance he does

D) Because the media is so far up his ass to avoid being his next victim

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LambertIsGod58
01-13-2009, 01:53 AM
How about this one - 33 career sacks for a 13 year career? He would have gotten cut from the Steelers after his first contract with those numbers. James Harrison will pass those numbers in less than three seasons as a stater.

Lewis is one of the most OVER-RATED players in the history of the NFL ever!!

Oh really? Since when do middle linebackers get a huge amount of sacks? You obviously don't know much about the game.

LambertIsGod58
01-13-2009, 02:03 AM
Oh come on. It's one thing not to like the guy, another thing to disrespect his abilities or convince yourself he committed a crime when there isn't a lick of evidence, that's all.

The comment about Harrison's sacks - he's a great LB but he's an outside LB and he's always going to have more sacks than an inside LB. But at least I can be honest about it and say the biggest problem I have with the guy is that we were dumb enough to cut him.

First, if the evidence was so great on Ray, why accept a plea? What DA wouldn't want the trophy of an NFL star on their resume? Ray has been a great player for years regardless of what colors he wears. And I'd still say that there's no other MLB I'd want on my team of today.

LambertIsGod58
01-13-2009, 02:05 AM
i hate ray because he was involved in a murder in which i believe he had a part in.. thats my honest answer for you.

But you're a fan of Greg Lloyd who put a gun in his own son's mouth because of getting bad grades in school? Glad you aren't a hypocrite.

sascha2674
01-13-2009, 02:09 AM
Over here in europe we donīt get that mach media about football especial about things happening off the field. We get the games and some highlite shows. Cause there is the internet but i am off course no native speaker so i have to commit that i am not able to understand everything to the smallest detail.
That said here is why i hate Ray Lewis:
- he used to be a great LB, now he is still a good one. But he talks too much on the field since his career started and there are sound files out there with the language he uses on the field that even i do understand..hehe....this language is not my world. You can talk trash without using bad profanity and/or expletives.
The Ravens have a good Defense for ages and they make great plays. Even i like some of it as a defense lover. But Ray always acts like every good play was made by himself, but still he can back it up sometimes. Not enough for the amount of acting and talking in my opinion.
But, i do have to say, there is one player i hate even more on that squad. That guy is just an average LB in my opinion but akcting just like Ray does. That guy is names Suggs and i canīt stand him eben more......

Puh, i hope i could make my point. It is not always easy for me to put my thoughts into english :)

Sascha

markymarc
01-13-2009, 07:45 AM
But you're a fan of Greg Lloyd who put a gun in his own son's mouth because of getting bad grades in school? Glad you aren't a hypocrite.

I'm sorry, but did I miss something because I swear Lloyd was never involved with 2 murders. Yes what Greg Lloyd did was bad, but for you to try and compare that to Ray Lewis is laughable at best.

i82much
01-13-2009, 07:57 AM
It's 2009 and I still think OJ is a murderer. Oh, and you guys all know he's just flame baiting us, right? :popcorn:

Sorry about the way the thread turned out. I guess being in B-more it's kind of a bubble where no one really talks about the stabbing as if Ray did it. I thought I'd hear mainly comments about the talking or the dancing or Ray is overrated or maybe even a few positive comments since I started w/props to Hines Ward.

And I know better than to try to convince a bunch of people on the internet about something like this but I guess I'm somewhat hopeful that some people did some research on the incident and reevaluated their stance on Ray's guilt, even if they do hate the guy for the antics or still judge him for associating with the bad guys or covering it up (both of which he clearly did). But I guess at the end of the day asking a bunch of Steelers fans about Ray Lewis was kind of bound to turn out this way, I probably should have figured that out from all the comments in the other threads before I posted.

I apologize for getting my hackles up a bit but he's a very well-regarded figure where I'm from and I was genuinely surprised to read some of those comments.

jjpro11
01-13-2009, 08:58 AM
But you're a fan of Greg Lloyd who put a gun in his own son's mouth because of getting bad grades in school? Glad you aren't a hypocrite.

Lloyd's a profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfiltering idiot with a screw loose, but he didnt blow anyone's head off.

Stlrs4Life
01-13-2009, 09:55 AM
Like most aging superstars, Ray probably gets more press than he deserves these days, fair enough. But he's actually had a great season, put on some weight and shedding blockers better than ever, hitting harder. But no question he doesn't cover the ground he used to, and Ed Reed is now our best defensive player.

Murder? Come on. Do some research, just google it. Even at the time the papers were reporting there was never any evidence he attacked anyone. He was there when it happened and he shouldn't have been and then he helped cover it up that's really all there is to it. 2009 and you still think Ray Lewis is a murderer?


Guarantee you 1 thing, he couldn't carry Lamberts jock strap.

memphissteelergirl
01-13-2009, 09:57 AM
Do I think he did something during "the Incident"? yes.
Should my opinion mean he should go to jail? of course not.
Do I think he is a trash-talking piece of crap? yes.
Do I think he intended to injure Mendenhall? yes.
Do I think commentators kiss his ass and that drives me insane because he isn't even the best player on his own teams defense? yes.
Do I HATE that GD dance he does??? HELL YES!

Everything he said

BlastFurnace
01-13-2009, 10:47 AM
Yeah ... Ravens fan here. Sure, I understand the rivalry and all, but I can say as much as Hines Ward annoys the crap out of me I'd want him on my team in a heartbeat. As for Ray, the guy has been a great player for a LONG time, he's done nothing but the right things since the "incident," and he's a great teammate and mentor for young players around the league - not just Ravens.

I see all these comments disparaging the guy on this board, why??? And even comments on his playing ability which is just silly. He still stuffs the run up the middle better than anybody, although the sideline to sideline speed isn't what it was.

I don't hate Ray Lewis at all. The player's I can't stand on Baltimore is Suggs and Bart Scott.

I have a lot of respect for Ray Lewis. I don't think he is the greatest MLB that some make him out to be, but he's certainly in the top 5.

The_WARDen
01-13-2009, 11:31 AM
I hate Ray Ray for the same reason I hate Bernie Kosar/Brian Sipe/Boomer/Chad Johnson/Tom Brady/etc...

He is Raven scum that is in our way twice per year.

:popcorn:

revefsreleets
01-13-2009, 01:09 PM
Ray is a human piece of grabage. But he can play a childs sport well, and he's part of a culture that entitles athletes pretty much unlike any other class of citizen.

If Ray Lewis didn't have the skill set that he does, and he was a ham-n-egger like most of us, and he committed the same acts that he did in Atlanta, he'd be serving a 15 year prison sentence now. But he's a millionare, and he's an athlete in America, and they get different treatment than the rest of us.

THAT'S why all the hate. He's exactly like Phil Specter and Robert Blake and OJ Simpson. He gets away with murder because he's in a class of people who are treated differently and can afford the best criminal defense in the World.

cubanstogie
01-13-2009, 01:12 PM
Can we please end this asinine thread, and the Ravens fans along with the 2 Steelers who like Ray can go slob his knob on the Ravens board.

Cape Cod Steel Head
01-13-2009, 01:16 PM
He is a criminal. But he's God's criminal.

BlastFurnace
01-13-2009, 01:17 PM
Can we please end this asinine thread, and the Ravens fans along with the 2 Steelers who like Ray can go slob his knob on the Ravens board.

Why does this bother you. It doesn't have any impact on the game at all. I like a lot of players in the league. It doesn't mean I pull for their team though.

Relax!

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-13-2009, 01:23 PM
'There is no justice'
Outraged and in searing pain, relatives of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar say Lewis got away with murder. And no one cares.
By MARC TOPKIN

Đ St. Petersburg Times, published January 23, 2001

TAMPA -- There is a baby girl in Georgia without a father. There are families with still-raw wounds a year later. And there are two bodies buried in the cold Ohio ground.

What is known is this: A brutal fight occurred outside an Atlanta nightclub. Ray Lewis was there. And Richard Lollar and Jacinth Baker are dead.

Lollar, 24, and Baker, 21, were childhood friends from Akron, Ohio, who had been in some legal trouble of their own and had moved to the Atlanta area seeking a better life. Lollar was a talented barber with three arrests, Baker an aspiring artist who was wanted by police for violating probation on gun and drug charges. Like thousands of others -- like Lewis and his friends -- they were out celebrating on Super Bowl Sunday.

Details are fuzzy, facts scarce. For whatever reason, their group and Lewis' clashed outside the Cobalt Lounge sometime after the 3:30 a.m. Monday closing. The violence escalated quickly. Baker -- a 5-foot-2, 135-pounder known as Shorty P -- and Lollar (6-0, 170) were brutally beaten by a half-dozen men and savagely stabbed, the knives twisted into their organs. "A thrill kill," Lollar-Owens said. Lewis and friends piled into his 40-foot chauffeured Lincoln Navigator limousine and sped off, one of the victim's friends shooting at their tires.

The 24-year-old Lewis, uncooperative in his initial interview with police, was charged with two counts of murder later Monday and arrested. After a three-state manhunt, so were two of his acquaintances, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting.

"He ain't nothing but a liar," said Gladys Robinson, Baker's grandmother. "I wonder how he would feel if someone killed his brother or killed his son. Then he wouldn't have so much to say. But you know, one day he is going to get his, too. Because Ray Lewis was right there, and he knows what exactly went down.

"It's sad, but you try not to worry about it. God says he is the one who will bring justice to it, and I'm leaving it to God's hands. (Lewis) can say he didn't do it, that he's innocent, all he wants. As long as you know who did it, you're as guilty as they are if you don't say. He had something to do with it. I believe that in my heart."

"Ray Lewis can look forward to raising his child," Threatt said. "Can Richard look forward to rearing his first child? No. Can he ever see what she accomplishes in her life? No. And the only thing she can look forward to are words and pictures. She will not be able to receive the love he was waiting to give her.

"The fans want to forget about it," Lollar-Owens said. "They don't care about Richard and Jacinth. They don't know these people. The only thing they care about is they want to see these guys play. Tagliabue and them people, they don't care. As long as it's not their sons or daughters, they don't care. The NFL mothers association -- the NFL mothers! -- they don't even care."

But more than anything, Lollar-Owens would like to talk to Ray Lewis.

"I want to show him the tree," she said. "I have a picture of the tree where they pinned my nephew up. I'd want to ask him if he remembered it. That would be the main thing."

Lewis wrote that he pours his heart out to the families, but they're still waiting to see it. They say they have never heard from Lewis, never gotten an apology or condolences. Baker's grandmother suggested Lewis make an anonymous donation to provide a proper memorial for the slain men, but with the possibility of pending legal action, that seems unlikely.

"I think it's a shame that (Ravens owner) Art Modell and the NFL stand behind this man," Threatt said. "It's a disgrace, not only to us, but to anybody who has to sit and watch him play.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/012301/S...justice_.shtml

The_WARDen
01-13-2009, 01:36 PM
'There is no justice'
Outraged and in searing pain, relatives of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar say Lewis got away with murder. And no one cares.
By MARC TOPKIN

Đ St. Petersburg Times, published January 23, 2001

TAMPA -- There is a baby girl in Georgia without a father. There are families with still-raw wounds a year later. And there are two bodies buried in the cold Ohio ground.

What is known is this: A brutal fight occurred outside an Atlanta nightclub. Ray Lewis was there. And Richard Lollar and Jacinth Baker are dead.

Lollar, 24, and Baker, 21, were childhood friends from Akron, Ohio, who had been in some legal trouble of their own and had moved to the Atlanta area seeking a better life. Lollar was a talented barber with three arrests, Baker an aspiring artist who was wanted by police for violating probation on gun and drug charges. Like thousands of others -- like Lewis and his friends -- they were out celebrating on Super Bowl Sunday.

Details are fuzzy, facts scarce. For whatever reason, their group and Lewis' clashed outside the Cobalt Lounge sometime after the 3:30 a.m. Monday closing. The violence escalated quickly. Baker -- a 5-foot-2, 135-pounder known as Shorty P -- and Lollar (6-0, 170) were brutally beaten by a half-dozen men and savagely stabbed, the knives twisted into their organs. "A thrill kill," Lollar-Owens said. Lewis and friends piled into his 40-foot chauffeured Lincoln Navigator limousine and sped off, one of the victim's friends shooting at their tires.

The 24-year-old Lewis, uncooperative in his initial interview with police, was charged with two counts of murder later Monday and arrested. After a three-state manhunt, so were two of his acquaintances, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting.

"He ain't nothing but a liar," said Gladys Robinson, Baker's grandmother. "I wonder how he would feel if someone killed his brother or killed his son. Then he wouldn't have so much to say. But you know, one day he is going to get his, too. Because Ray Lewis was right there, and he knows what exactly went down.

"It's sad, but you try not to worry about it. God says he is the one who will bring justice to it, and I'm leaving it to God's hands. (Lewis) can say he didn't do it, that he's innocent, all he wants. As long as you know who did it, you're as guilty as they are if you don't say. He had something to do with it. I believe that in my heart."

"Ray Lewis can look forward to raising his child," Threatt said. "Can Richard look forward to rearing his first child? No. Can he ever see what she accomplishes in her life? No. And the only thing she can look forward to are words and pictures. She will not be able to receive the love he was waiting to give her.

"The fans want to forget about it," Lollar-Owens said. "They don't care about Richard and Jacinth. They don't know these people. The only thing they care about is they want to see these guys play. Tagliabue and them people, they don't care. As long as it's not their sons or daughters, they don't care. The NFL mothers association -- the NFL mothers! -- they don't even care."

But more than anything, Lollar-Owens would like to talk to Ray Lewis.

"I want to show him the tree," she said. "I have a picture of the tree where they pinned my nephew up. I'd want to ask him if he remembered it. That would be the main thing."

Lewis wrote that he pours his heart out to the families, but they're still waiting to see it. They say they have never heard from Lewis, never gotten an apology or condolences. Baker's grandmother suggested Lewis make an anonymous donation to provide a proper memorial for the slain men, but with the possibility of pending legal action, that seems unlikely.

"I think it's a shame that (Ravens owner) Art Modell and the NFL stand behind this man," Threatt said. "It's a disgrace, not only to us, but to anybody who has to sit and watch him play.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/012301/S...justice_.shtml


hey, he's a good football player and he "found god"...so you should ignore that stuff.

:popcorn:

The_WARDen
01-13-2009, 01:37 PM
Why does this bother you. It doesn't have any impact on the game at all. I like a lot of players in the league. It doesn't mean I pull for their team though.

Relax!

it bothers us cause he's a Raven scum...

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-13-2009, 01:43 PM
hey, he's a good football player and he "found god"...so you should ignore that stuff.

:popcorn:

I know. I'm just another steeler fan that "doesnt know the facts" and is "just hating on Ray because I wish he was on our team". :rolleyes:

I honestly wish people would read a bit before they try to enshrine guys like Ray Lewis. :coffee:

LambertIsGod58
01-13-2009, 02:00 PM
I'm sorry, but did I miss something because I swear Lloyd was never involved with 2 murders. Yes what Greg Lloyd did was bad, but for you to try and compare that to Ray Lewis is laughable at best.

Where did I compare the two first of all? Second, laughable? Putting a gun in the kids mouth is only a trigger pull away from the same thing. If you want Lloyd for a nanny, that's your choice.

revefsreleets
01-13-2009, 02:17 PM
If If's and maybe's were tinsel and holly, it'd be Christmas every day.

Nobody is saying that Lloyd is a saint. But a lot of people are saying Lewis is the devil. The Steelers have issues just like any other team, but we DO NOT have murderers playing for us, and, if somebody did murder someone, whether they got away with it or not, the Rooneys would drop them like a apass to Braylon Edwards.

RoethlisBURGHer
01-13-2009, 04:05 PM
Where did I compare the two first of all? Second, laughable? Putting a gun in the kids mouth is only a trigger pull away from the same thing. If you want Lloyd for a nanny, that's your choice.

It's a trigger pull away from the same thing, but unless that trigger is pulled, which it was not...then it is not the same thing.

I didn't see anyone defend Greg Lloyd's actions. And I highly doubt anyone who is sane would want Lloyd as a nanny, so please stop putting words into other peope's mouths like you constantly do around here.

LambertIsGod58
01-13-2009, 05:42 PM
It's a trigger pull away from the same thing, but unless that trigger is pulled, which it was not...then it is not the same thing.

I didn't see anyone defend Greg Lloyd's actions. And I highly doubt anyone who is sane would want Lloyd as a nanny, so please stop putting words into other peope's mouths like you constantly do around here.

First, you're right. No one did defend Lloyd. But they do talk about what a piece of shit Lewis is. Without recalling we've had our own garbage. The man was NOT convicted of murder end of story.

Second, don't tell me how to post.

LambertIsGod58
01-13-2009, 05:44 PM
It's a trigger pull away from the same thing, but unless that trigger is pulled, which it was not...then it is not the same thing.

I didn't see anyone defend Greg Lloyd's actions. And I highly doubt anyone who is sane would want Lloyd as a nanny, so please stop putting words into other peope's mouths like you constantly do around here.

In reality, I think that putting a gun in your own child's mouth is worse than obstruction of justice.......If you disagree, your choice.

Dino 6 Rings
01-13-2009, 05:53 PM
I think a lot of the "hate" comes from the fact that every year, for like the last 8 or 9 years, we have to sit and listen to how "awesome" the Ravens defense is...every freaking year...knowing darn well we are either just as good or even better then they are, yet all the talk and love is thrown upon the Ravens defense by the talking heads. Its as if they over look the Steelers because well...everyone already realizes the Steelers have a great defense so it goes without saying. And since Ray Ray is the most vocal guy on that defense, that we have to hear about year after year (and drive 92 yards on for game winning drives, cough cough) we focus our hatred of the Ravens defense upon its most vocal leader.

besides there aren't any Youtube videos of Hines Blowing up Ray Ray the way he did Bart and Reed...so...like...there is that.

LambertIsGod58
01-13-2009, 06:01 PM
I think a lot of the "hate" comes from the fact that every year, for like the last 8 or 9 years, we have to sit and listen to how "awesome" the Ravens defense is...every freaking year...knowing darn well we are either just as good or even better then they are, yet all the talk and love is thrown upon the Ravens defense by the talking heads. Its as if they over look the Steelers because well...everyone already realizes the Steelers have a great defense so it goes without saying. And since Ray Ray is the most vocal guy on that defense, that we have to hear about year after year (and drive 92 yards on for game winning drives, cough cough) we focus our hatred of the Ravens defense upon its most vocal leader.

besides there aren't any Youtube videos of Hines Blowing up Ray Ray the way he did Bart and Reed...so...like...there is that.

I'd love to see that......Hines blowing up Ray like he did Reed and Rivers. If anyone could do it, it's Hines.

HometownGal
01-13-2009, 06:44 PM
The man was NOT convicted of murder end of story.



Of course he wasn't - he bought his way out of the murder rap and worked a deal behind the scenes via his legal counsel.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/06/04/lewis_agreement/

Garland said Lewis' only crime was to tell his companions after the brawl that led to the deaths, "Keep your mouth shut," and giving an incomplete statement to police.



It has been established that Ray Ray didn't physically commit the murders, but I think the statement above establishes a clear conspiracy on his part to hush his homies.

Look - those of us who believe he should be breaking rocks in a prison yard aren't going to change our opinions of him and you do-gooders aren't going to change your stance, which is fine. Your opinions are respected though I vehemently disagree with them. :drink:

LambertIsGod58
01-13-2009, 06:53 PM
Of course he wasn't - he bought his way out of the murder rap and worked a deal behind the scenes via his legal counsel.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/06/04/lewis_agreement/



It has been established that Ray Ray didn't physically commit the murders, but I think the statement above establishes a clear conspiracy on his part to hush his homies.

Look - those of us who believe he should be breaking rocks in a prison yard aren't going to change our opinions of him and you do-gooders aren't going to change your stance, which is fine. Your opinions are respected though I vehemently disagree with them. :drink:



Well, your opinion is respected as well. Let me ask you HTG, if you were in the same situation, wouldn't you get the best counsel money can buy? If the Fulton Co. DA's case was so strong, no amount of money would have saved him. For people to say he's a murderer when there wasn't enough evidence to substantiate that claim, I find it very disturbing. Because I also believe if Ray was a Steeler in the same situation, alot of people on this board would be saying what I'm saying. Do-gooder or not.

MJ5150
01-13-2009, 07:01 PM
I can't shake the whole "incident". We're all taught to forgive and forget, but justice was not done here.

But hey, this is nothing new for the NFL. Leonard Little killed someone while drunk driving, he didn't deny it, and he is still playing in the NFL while cashing a fat paycheck.

But back to Ray Lewis.....he just acts like a punk more often than not in my experience. He doesn't act much like a whiner to me, but he just seems to take football to a level of violence that is not needed. He seems to enjoy the violence and hurting people more than actually playing football.

-Mike

LambertIsGod58
01-13-2009, 07:06 PM
I can't shake the whole "incident". We're all taught to forgive and forget, but justice was not done here.

But hey, this is nothing new for the NFL. Leonard Little killed someone while drunk driving, he didn't deny it, and he is still playing in the NFL while cashing a fat paycheck.

But back to Ray Lewis.....he just acts like a punk more often than not in my experience. He doesn't act much like a whiner to me, but he just seems to take football to a level of violence that is not needed. He seems to enjoy the violence and hurting people more than actually playing football.

-Mike

yeah, but Leonard Little isn't a Raven. That's why it's so different.

LambertIsGod58
01-14-2009, 06:09 PM
Dude why do i even bother with birdbrain's like you.. ENOUGH SAID! :wave:

You don't bother b/c you don't have an argument.....like most of your posts.

Polamalu43
01-14-2009, 06:11 PM
You don't bother b/c you don't have an argument.....like most of your posts.

Dude you should just STFU, how's that old man??

LambertIsGod58
01-14-2009, 06:15 PM
im suprised you have such thin skin cause people dont worship ray in accordance to your standards.

Kinda like your thin skin about Ben........:noidea:

Polamalu43
01-14-2009, 06:17 PM
Kinda like your thin skin about Ben........:noidea:

your making yourself sound more and more stupid as you run ur mouth idiot! :applaudit:

i82much
01-14-2009, 06:17 PM
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1108943/4/index.htm

LambertIsGod58
01-14-2009, 06:17 PM
You're a little too abrasive when it's not necessary..., At all.
We're fellow Steelers fans. Try to remember that.

That fits alot of people on here......

Polamalu43
01-14-2009, 06:20 PM
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1108943/4/index.htm

:rofl:

MJ5150
01-14-2009, 06:23 PM
That fits alot of people on here......

I have noticed there are a lot of sensitive people on this board. Oh well, I love all youn'z anyway. All families get into little scraps now and then.

:tt:

-Mike

Polamalu43
01-14-2009, 06:24 PM
I have noticed there are a lot of sensitive people on this board. Oh well, I love all youn'z anyway. All families get into little scraps now and then.

:tt:

-Mike

Dont worry about that dude, he has not yet taken his meds!

i82much
01-14-2009, 06:25 PM
:rofl:

Even if you disagree it's certainly not funny. The story quotes one of the victim's family members as saying she doesn't think Ray did it. Maybe she knows more than you?

Polamalu43
01-14-2009, 06:27 PM
Even if you disagree it's certainly not funny. The story quotes one of the victim's family members as saying she doesn't think Ray did it. Maybe she knows more than you?

Dude like what' point on all this?? you been on here for like 1 week with the same BS. ok hes not guilty happy???

Burghfan58
01-14-2009, 06:28 PM
he encourages the placement of bounties on players. he called his shot in knocking mendenhall out for the season.

i just watched the week 4 matchup. everytime he tackled the rookie he stood above him and gloated. and when he was knocked out, ray bragged about it openly.

i understand playing hard and wanting to knock the opposition out, but acting like a classless thug after the fact is bush league.

him mocking an injured joey porter is bushleague. watching all the young players such as cory ivy follow his lead and mock steelers players (ike taylor) in their house is bush league.

bitching eveytime the steelers hand them their ass is bush league.

i can see why people would dislike joey porter. i cant see why anyone would be a fan of rayray. :hunch:

Couldn't of said it better myself:applaudit::applaudit::applaudit:

LambertIsGod58
01-14-2009, 06:28 PM
Even if you disagree it's certainly not funny. The story quotes one of the victim's family members as saying she doesn't think Ray did it. Maybe she knows more than you?

You could poll a class of 2nd graders who know more than him.......You've read his posts.

i82much
01-14-2009, 06:30 PM
Dude like what' point on all this?? you been on here for like 1 week with the same BS. ok hes not guilty happy???

bored.

Polamalu43
01-14-2009, 06:30 PM
You could poll a class of 2nd graders who know more than him.......You've read his posts.

Great comeback ol fart.. :rofl: WOW your an IDIOT!

LambertIsGod58
01-14-2009, 06:33 PM
Great comeback ol fart.. :rofl: WOW your an IDIOT!

It wasn't a comeback....I would bet most 2nd graders have more common sense than you do.

Polamalu43
01-14-2009, 06:34 PM
It wasn't a comeback....I would bet most 2nd graders have more common sense than you do.

:toofunny::chuckle::laughing::rofl::sofunny:

MasterOfPuppets
01-14-2009, 06:39 PM
i guess ray being the nice innocent man he is likes giving away money.......nobody was charged so i guess nobody was murdered...

Ravens' Lewis reaches settlement with victim's daughter
May 2,2004

ATLANTA -- Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis reached a financial settlement with the daughter of one of two men killed in a fight after the Super Bowl in January 2000, avoiding a civil trial scheduled to begin next month.


Thomas Carlock, Lewis' Atlanta-based attorney, said Sunday the agreement was reached Thursday.

"The parties reached an amicable resolution and the case will be dismissed," Carlock said, adding that both sides agreed no details would be released.

Carlock would not comment on a report in The Baltimore Sun that Lewis agreed to pay at least $1 million to settle the case.

The settlement compensates 4-year-old India Lollar, the daughter of Richard Lollar, a barber stabbed to death outside a nightclub in the Buckhead district of Atlanta. India Lollar was born shortly after his death.

Carlock confirmed Lewis was in Atlanta for the settlement agreement Thursday.

The settlement, which followed three mediation sessions between the parties, pre-empted a potential civil trial scheduled to begin June 14.

Carlock said the suit against Lewis and co-defendants Reginald Oakley, Joseph Sweeting, Kwame King and Carlos Stafford will be dropped "soon."

A suit filed by the family of the other victim in the fight was settled previously. Terms were not disclosed.

Michael Weinstock, an attorney representing the Lollar family, told the Baltimore paper the case was "settled to the satisfaction of the parties."

Atlanta authorities charged Lewis with two counts of murder and four other felony counts in the Jan. 30, 2000, deaths of Lollar and Jacinth Baker. Co-defendants in the case were Oakley and Sweeting. King and Stafford were not charged.

All the felony counts were eventually dropped against Lewis, who pleaded guilty to misdemeanor obstruction of justice charges and was sentenced to a year of probation. He testified against Oakley and Sweeting, who were found not guilty in June 2000. No one else was charged in the killings.

lilyoder6
01-14-2009, 06:58 PM
all i would say is, i think it would be awesome to see ray ray in person since he is a good football player.. i just wouldn't turn my back to him.. lol

welder4pit
01-14-2009, 08:28 PM
I didn't expect anybody to LIKE him! I couldn't believe people actually think he's a murderer, dirty player, or not a great player. Honestly I am just STUNNED at the comments here!dirty player and murder.Having him talk to kids would be like having charles manson com to a family planning class.WOULD NOT allow that s o b near my kid.Why would anyone be a rat fan anyway

stlrz fan
01-14-2009, 08:35 PM
I just hate his ridiculous dancing and face paint!!!

HometownGal
01-14-2009, 08:39 PM
Me thinks a couple of you really need to knock it off with the personal attacks. My trigger finger is getting real itchy. :nono:

Polamalu Princess
01-14-2009, 09:00 PM
:confused:I was unsure about this all day:noidea: I thought something was going on, but they seemed to really enjoy trading punches...:noidea:Me thinks a couple of you really need to knock it off with the personal attacks. My trigger finger is getting real itchy. :nono:

HometownGal
01-14-2009, 09:02 PM
:confused:I was unsure about this all day:noidea: I thought something was going on, but they seemed to really enjoy trading punches...:noidea:

The :buttkick: they're going to get if they don't knock off the infantile behavior will hurt far worse than the punches they are throwing.

Polamalu Princess
01-14-2009, 09:11 PM
The :buttkick: they're going to get if they don't knock off the infantile behavior will hurt far worse than the punches they are throwing.

Well, after being attacked yesterday - I am all for a butt kicking!!!!!!:pin: I guess that is what I looked like yesterday!!!!:laughing:

Polamalu43
01-14-2009, 09:30 PM
Sorry about it hometowngal..

I just really don't understand what's up with

all the raven love with some of our own

members here lately, but oh well..

morgster1031
01-14-2009, 09:40 PM
I cant stand Ray Lewis and the rest of the Ravens because they celebrate every tackle like they just scored a TD. The last few games I watched Ray Lewis, he was chasing someone and not getting anywhere. He looks overweight anyway. When watch the Steelers D they make a great tackle and move on to the next play. No nonsense.

MasterOfPuppets
01-14-2009, 09:52 PM
Sorry about it hometowngal..

I just really don't understand what's up with

all the raven love with some of our own

members here lately, but oh well..well you know which people to put on the ignore list.....:wink02:

HometownGal
01-14-2009, 10:09 PM
Sorry about it hometowngal..

I just really don't understand what's up with

all the raven love with some of our own

members here lately, but oh well..

What I don't understand here, P43, is how cyber-punching each other has anything to do with the topic at hand? He has his opinion, you have yours and neither of you is going to change your stances. Leave it at that or as was mentioned above, put him on ignore.

Polamalu43
01-14-2009, 10:09 PM
well you know which people to put on the ignore list.....:wink02:

Yeah i think im gonna do that.. how do i do it???

Polamalu43
01-14-2009, 10:12 PM
done deal.. now i won't see none of his posts correct??

Polamalu43
01-14-2009, 10:12 PM
What I don't understand here, P43, is how cyber-punching each other has anything to do with the topic at hand? He has his opinion, you have yours and neither of you is going to change your stances. Leave it at that or as was mentioned above, put him on ignore.

Yeah i get what you sayin HTG. guess it's something that happens in the heat of

the moment. :noidea:

stlrtruck
01-15-2009, 08:56 AM
If I had that kind of Guilt hanging over me I would be looking for the big man upstairs too.

Now that was hilarious :toofunny:

HometownGal
01-15-2009, 09:01 AM
done deal.. now i won't see none of his posts correct??

Correct.

I hope this now puts an end to this incessant flame-baiting. We have, thus far, the most important game of the season coming up on Sunday - let's pump each other up instead of tearing each other down! :tt:

Dino 6 Rings
01-15-2009, 01:07 PM
Again Yesterday, I had to listen to Jeremy Green on his pod center refuse to recognize the Steelers as the better defense and actually had to hear him say "stats don't mean everything" So even with us the better Defense statistically, that doesn't matter, the reason...

Ray Lewis and his big interview seeking mouth. Just because he's good on camera he is recognized as the vocal leader of their defense, and we have Harrison who hates to talk and Troy who is soft spoken as our Defensive Leaders.

That is why I can't stand Ray, his big fcking mouth that gets his team more credit than it deserves. They aren't better than the Steelers, we don't give up 92 yard td drives to end the game. We are better and we will once again show the world that the word DEFENSE means PITTSBURGH STEELERS!

I hope these mother effers don't sniff the 40 yard line all day. Big freaking Goose Egg for these gaggle of tool bags.

stlrtruck
01-15-2009, 04:13 PM
Again Yesterday, I had to listen to Jeremy Green on his pod center refuse to recognize the Steelers as the better defense and actually had to hear him say "stats don't mean everything" So even with us the better Defense statistically, that doesn't matter, the reason...

Ray Lewis and his big interview seeking mouth. Just because he's good on camera he is recognized as the vocal leader of their defense, and we have Harrison who hates to talk and Troy who is soft spoken as our Defensive Leaders.

That is why I can't stand Ray, his big fcking mouth that gets his team more credit than it deserves. They aren't better than the Steelers, we don't give up 92 yard td drives to end the game. We are better and we will once again show the world that the word DEFENSE means PITTSBURGH STEELERS!

I hope these mother effers don't sniff the 40 yard line all day. Big freaking Goose Egg for these gaggle of tool bags.

Let the media pundits hype up the ratbirds defense and that it's better than ours.

It only means come Sunday there are a few men that are going to prove to Flacco that we're the #1 defense for a reason and then Flacco and tell stab-it ray to STFU!

Preacher
01-15-2009, 04:59 PM
Hey... ever since I put Tony, MOP, LLT, and Rev on ignore,

Life has been boring... er... pleasant.

:chuckle:

LambertIsGod58
01-15-2009, 05:01 PM
Hey... ever since I put Tony, MOP, LLT, and Rev on ignore,

Life has been boring... er... pleasant.

:chuckle:


Does that really work?

Preacher
01-15-2009, 05:07 PM
Does that really work?

Ignore function? Yep. I use it all the time in the gameday threads... whenever a fan of an opposing team shows up I just ignore him or her.

As far as the people I listed before.... we REALLY need a sarcasm smiley.

LambertIsGod58
01-15-2009, 05:12 PM
Ignore function? Yep. I use it all the time in the gameday threads... whenever a fan of an opposing team shows up I just ignore him or her.

As far as the people I listed before.... we REALLY need a sarcasm smiley.

LOL, I kinda figured you were being sarcastic.

MasterOfPuppets
01-15-2009, 05:17 PM
who said that ??? :uhh:

HometownGal
01-15-2009, 05:17 PM
That is why I can't stand Ray, his big fcking mouth that gets his team more credit than it deserves. They aren't better than the Steelers, we don't give up 92 yard td drives to end the game. We are better and we will once again show the world that the word DEFENSE means PITTSBURGH STEELERS!

I hope these mother effers don't sniff the 40 yard line all day. Big freaking Goose Egg for these gaggle of tool bags.

He may be the self-proclaimed leader and big yapper of the Rats D, but as far as leading on the playing field with outstanding play and exhibiting class and good sportsmanship, Ed Reed has it all over Stabbit Ray - 100 times over.

i82much
01-15-2009, 10:32 PM
The only Ravens i respect are Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. I understand that Ray hits hard, hurt people, and talks smack, but he definetely has the ability to back it all up. And like u said, he really is a good mentor for younger players, and he sure knows how to fire up his team. I hate him like hell, but i respect him at the same time.

I appreciate that, although it seems like you're definitely in the minority around here! Anyway, here's to a good game Sunday :drink:

ShutDown24
01-15-2009, 10:37 PM
I see all these comments disparaging the guy on this board, why???

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Cheer/~/media/23FEA08A6597496C9F2BDC33C866FCA3.ashx

i82much
01-15-2009, 10:44 PM
Shutdown24 - I have no answer for that. There can be no answer for that.

ShutDown24
01-15-2009, 10:46 PM
Shutdown24 - I have no answer for that. There can be no answer for that.

Hahahahaha I don't think anyone could muster an answer for that :wink02:

cowboykilla
01-15-2009, 11:00 PM
Are you serious? He's a murdering Ratbird,you should hate him also.:screwy: