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mesaSteeler
01-17-2009, 09:45 AM
May the bitter team win
By Gene Wojciechowski
ESPN.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3839302

PITTSBURGH -- This Baltimore Ravens-Pittsburgh Steelers rivalry has everything but a conscience. There's name calling. Angry accusations. Felony indictments.

And that's just the Baltimore mayor. Pittsburgh's mayor is into name changing. But more on that later.

Meanwhile, you should see what the actual Ravens and Steelers are saying and doing as Sunday night's AFC Championship Game approaches. It's nastier than one of those weekly catfights on "The View."

"When you get two bullies going against each other," Steelers linebacker James Farrior said, "it's who's the strongest bully."

Everybody is chirping this week. A few days ago, Baltimore wide receiver Derrick Mason warned the No. 2-seeded Steelers, "The Ravens are coming, so prepare yourself."

Told Friday of Mason's comments, Pittsburgh wide receiver Hines Ward feigned terror and, in a mocking tone, said, "Whooooo."

So much for the Mason intimidation factor.

"That doesn't scare anybody," said Ward, the former Super Bowl MVP who broke Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Keith Rivers' jaw earlier this season with a block. "That doesn't scare me. Whatever it takes to motivate yourself to go out. Talk is cheap to me. We line up Sunday and we're gonna go out and play and the better team's going to win. But for what Derrick said, I don't know if I'm supposed to be scared or laugh at that."

Ward, by the way, is the runaway leader of a Baltimore Sun online poll that asks readers, "Which of the following Steelers do you hate the most?"

Hate, not dislike.

The last time I looked, Ward had earned nearly 54.1 percent of the vote (quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was next at 7.9 percent). In a weird football way, it's a compliment. Ward prides himself in getting under your skin. Except Ward gets under it not like a splinter but like a two-by-four.

"I don't know why Baltimore dislikes me too much," Ward said. "I love the crabcakes there. I love the view in Baltimore. I don't know -- I'm a likable guy. I don't know what's not to like about me."

Here's a guess: Some of the Ravens think he's a cheap-shot artist. Ravens linebacker Bart Scott told Pittsburgh Post-Gazette columnist Ron Cook: "His time will come. He'll get his. He'll come across the middle one day and someone will hit him or take out his knee. The guy will be fined and [Ward] will be gone. No one will care. No one will even care. No one will send him any cards saying they're sorry. Not to that guy. You reap what you sow."

See what I mean? The Ravens-Steelers matchup makes the NFC Championship Game look like a Tupperware party. The only thing missing is a bounty on players. Oh, wait, the Ravens supposedly did that with Ward and Steelers rookie running back Rashard Mendenhall.

Anyway, this will be the third time Baltimore and Pittsburgh have played each other this season. The Steelers won the Sept. 30 game on a 46-yard field goal in overtime and won the Dec. 14 game on a disputed, last-minute touchdown catch. The combined margin of victory: seven points.

"We thought we put dirt on them a couple of times," Farrior said. "The first couple games, we thought we had them out of there. But they're a great team and they fought back hard to get themselves in this position."

Now the Steelers go for the Ravens three-peat, a feat that is easier to accomplish than you might think. According to the numbers, teams that win the two regular-season games against a division opponent are 11-7 in third-game meetings in the postseason.

Thing is, this is Ravens-Steelers. This is a rivalry with enough subplots to give Shakespeare an aneurysm.

First of all, they can't stand each other. Steelers offensive tackle Willie Colon has accused the sixth-seeded Ravens of having an undeserved arrogance about them, of not showing the Steelers the proper respect. But Colon doesn't get it. Without arrogance, the Ravens are home for the playoffs. It's who they are.

Example: The Ravens were rooting for another Steelers rematch. That way, Scott told The Sun, they could "really build up the level of hatred."

Example: "If you need bulletin-board material to motivate you for this game," Ward said, "you don't even need to show up. There's nothing more [Ravens linebacker] Ray Lewis or any of those guys can say. We've heard it all. I've heard for 11 years now. You still got to go out there and line up and play."

Is any of this healthy? No. Is this a gas to watch? Absolutely.

The Ravens and Steelers are in the same division. They're separated by 250 miles. Their rosters are filled with what Steelers coach Mike Tomlin calls "dominant personalities."

The result is a rivalry that's deliciously and deliriously over the top. It's like asking the waiter to put a piece of key lime pie on top of your double fudge sundae. Dig in.

Remember Ravens defensive end Terrell Suggs' putting a bounty on Mendenhall after the rookie predicted a big game against the Ravens? Mendenhall did indeed get knocked out for the year in the Sept. 29 game. Injured shoulder.

But what goes around comes around. Suggs is questionable this Sunday with you guessed it: a shoulder injury.

Then there's this whole so-called "slobber moment" involving Ravens cornerback Frank Walker and Steelers punter Mitch Berger. It happened in the Dec. 14 game. In short, Walker sort of spat in the mouth of Berger.

Walker said it was an accident. Berger isn't buying it. Whatever happened, it was gross. So don't be surprised if Walker is the subject of some Steeler retaliation.

In fact, don't be surprised by anything in this game. The only four constants are: a close score, a chopped-up field (the Heinz Field turf hasn't been resodded since November), cold weather and lots of chippiness. Everything else is in play.

"We win by attrition," Tomlin said. "We force our will on an opponent, as do they."

Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl forced his will on the AFC championship news by temporarily changing his last name to Steelerstahl. Even if the Allegheny County Department of Court Records accidentally changes his name to, say, Toiletstahl, he'll still have had a better week than Baltimore Mayor Sheila Dixon. Dixon was indicted Jan. 9 on charges of theft, perjury, misconduct and fraudulent misappropriation.

Never a dull nanosecond here at the AFC championship.

"The winner of this game, it don't matter what you do in the series after this," Ward said. "You're always going to remember this. If we win this game, Baltimore can beat us 10 straight times, but they will remember this game."

By the pregame sound of it, we all will.

Gene Wojciechowski is the senior national columnist for ESPN.com. You can contact him at gene.wojciechowski@espn3.com.

Guttpuppy
01-17-2009, 12:12 PM
Everybody is chirping this week. A few days ago, Baltimore wide receiver Derrick Mason warned the No. 2-seeded Steelers, "The Ravens are coming, so prepare yourself."

Told Friday of Mason's comments, Pittsburgh wide receiver Hines Ward feigned terror and, in a mocking tone, said, "Whooooo."

So much for the Mason intimidation factor. :flap:

Let's destroy these fools!

4G63
01-17-2009, 12:23 PM
"The winner of this game, it don't matter what you do in the series after this," Ward said. "You're always going to remember this. If we win this game, Baltimore can beat us 10 straight times, but they will remember this game."



Hmmmmmmm..................No pressure there, huh Hiney boy?!?

GodofGridiron
01-17-2009, 12:39 PM
Seems to me Baltimore is doin all the woofin'. Something tells me even if we win THIS next game, there'll still be some woofin comin from that locker room.

Im starting to sense a deep seated jealousy from that side of the cage.

But with comments from Scott talkin about takin somebody's legs out (thats full intent to end a career and not make a play) one must remember, theres 52 other men on this squad the may wanna exact revenge so he'll be even more of a marked man. Guy doesnt realize what a goon he sounds like. No smarts just all yap. If I were the Ravens coach id tell these guys to STFU and just play the game. Talk is somethin politicians do.

I expect even in defeat to hear those clowns clappin at the mouth tomorrow night. Cuz thats what they do.

markymarc
01-17-2009, 01:09 PM
Good to see Bart Scott continue to flex his biggest football talent in his mouth. Maybe Scott might actually make a play tomorrow instead of always making plays with his mouth. And by the way, Mason we will be waiting for you guys tomorrow night. Enough of the talk already, just bring your game and shut the frick up already.

Stover4Prez
01-17-2009, 03:41 PM
Good to see Bart Scott continue to flex his biggest football talent in his mouth. Maybe Scott might actually make a play tomorrow instead of always making plays with his mouth. And by the way, Mason we will be waiting for you guys tomorrow night. Enough of the talk already, just bring your game and shut the frick up already.

I think if you look at the video looping on 2 posts up from yours you can see more than the talent in Bart Scott's mouth. Looks like Ben remembers it. Or maybe he doesn't remember it. He didn't look too hot after that hit.

Here's to a great game!!

Go Ravens!

Galax Steeler
01-17-2009, 03:50 PM
Let them crow all they want bartt scott is nothing he is all talk we will see if he is man enough to play in the game tommorow night the ratbirds are going down and hopefully scott to.

Stover4Prez
01-17-2009, 03:57 PM
Once again I am amazed at the desire to hurt players on your board, but cheer how you want I say.

Go Ravens!!

BTW, there are two "o" s in "too"

GodofGridiron
01-17-2009, 04:36 PM
Seems i saw Mr Scott change his course in pursuit of our running back as Hines was lined up to take his head off. Luckily the whistle blew and Hines pulled up. But it wouldve been very legal.

I cant see why folks in Baltimore or even Cincy have issues with Hines because on just about every decent punt return you have at least one or two crackback blocks and NOBODY complains about those hits being dirty or cheap. If youre in pursuit of the ballcarrier and Hines has you lined up, he's gonna hit you as long as its during actual play before the whistle. Defenders just cant stand the fact that they might be targets instead of missiles themselves. And if you happen to be a defender and you dont wanna be hit by Hines, GET OFF THE FKIN FIELD!!!

stlrz fan
01-17-2009, 04:42 PM
Once again I am amazed at the desire to hurt players on your board, but cheer how you want I say.

Go Ravens!!

BTW, there are two "o" s in "too"

Seriously? Do you remember the "Bounty"?

stlrtruck
01-17-2009, 05:06 PM
Once again I am amazed at the desire to hurt players on your board, but cheer how you want I say.

Go Ravens!!

BTW, there are two "o" s in "too"

And I'm amazed that you cheer for players who desire to end the career of another play!

But cheer how you want to, I guess it is true - fans reflect the team and the team reflects the fans.

Stay Classy baltimore fans, stay classy!

MasterOfPuppets
01-17-2009, 08:45 PM
I think if you look at the video looping on 2 posts up from yours you can see more than the talent in Bart Scott's mouth. Looks like Ben remembers it. Or maybe he doesn't remember it. He didn't look too hot after that hit.

Here's to a great game!!

Go Ravens!
all i see is a guy coming unblocked on a blitz, and hitting a qb that didn't see him coming.....how does that show talent ? :noidea: baltimore whiners boohoo and call hines a dirty player for hitting people when thier not looking....why's it ok to cheer a defensive player for knocking the snot out of a vulnerable offensive guy, but yet wanna condemn a D guy for virtually the same thing...

Cheppy
01-17-2009, 09:24 PM
Great article.. I wonder how many times Bart "Why Does Hines Ward Hit Me So Hard" Scott will duck tomorrow?

Stover4Prez
01-18-2009, 03:09 AM
And I'm amazed that you cheer for players who desire to end the career of another play!

But cheer how you want to, I guess it is true - fans reflect the team and the team reflects the fans.

Stay Classy baltimore fans, stay classy!

Once again, we will agree to disagree. I don't recall anyone calling to end another players career. And if that was said, then I don't think it is right either. I have no problem with legit hits. I just don't think you should be HOPING someone gets seriously hurt because of it.

And don't talk to me about class. I have not put a single post on this site that has been classless. I can't say the same for the Steelers fans on here. Honestly over the week I have been rather disappointed at the malicousness of many fans on here and the desire to degrade and injure. But as you said, the fans reflect the team and the team reflects the fans.

Good game to all today!

GO RAVENS!!

stlrtruck
01-18-2009, 06:18 AM
Once again, we will agree to disagree. I don't recall anyone calling to end another players career. And if that was said, then I don't think it is right either. I have no problem with legit hits. I just don't think you should be HOPING someone gets seriously hurt because of it.

And don't talk to me about class. I have not put a single post on this site that has been classless. I can't say the same for the Steelers fans on here. Honestly over the week I have been rather disappointed at the malicousness of many fans on here and the desire to degrade and injure. But as you said, the fans reflect the team and the team reflects the fans.

Good game to all today!

GO RAVENS!!

It amazes me that fans want to come on here and try to teach Steelers fans about class. I do not agree with all the posts about injuries, but it seems that you are overlooking your own team's malicious and pre-determined actions and trying to put everything on Steelers fans. Please, that train left a long time ago.

First, you started the discussion on being "classy". Now your posts have been good intellectual football conversation (for the most part). But just like the few you've run in to here, I'm 100% certain that baltimore has it's own share of arseholes that have said the same thing.

So before you come in to my house trying to fix the problem, fix the one in your house!!!

Here's to a good game :drink:

GBMelBlount
01-18-2009, 07:51 AM
Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl forced his will on the AFC championship news by temporarily changing his last name to Steelerstahl.

Rats, I was kinda hoping he would change it to "Ravensuck".

stlrtruck
01-18-2009, 08:35 AM
It amazes me that flying rat fans want to come on here and try to teach Steelers fans about class

Fixed it again

Preacher
01-18-2009, 10:42 AM
I absolutely LOVED this line:

Thing is, this is Ravens-Steelers. This is a rivalry with enough subplots to give Shakespeare an aneurysm.

I guess that includes the subplot where a criminal gets away with murder (et tu Ray Lewis).

CaliStillersFan
01-18-2009, 11:22 AM
I love how they always talk trash about hurting Steelers players, and cry like little bitches when we say something about taking them out. I heard Suggs is playing today, I hope Hines goes right after the right shoulder from the 1st offensive play from scrimmage and ends his career. I'm so sick of their big mouths.

What will Ratbirds fans say after we whip their asses for the third time today?

markymarc
01-18-2009, 12:04 PM
I think if you look at the video looping on 2 posts up from yours you can see more than the talent in Bart Scott's mouth. Looks like Ben remembers it. Or maybe he doesn't remember it. He didn't look too hot after that hit.

Here's to a great game!!

Go Ravens!

Wow that really takes quite a bit of talent to come in unblocked and hit the QB.